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Title: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by eau de sauvage on 06/16/18 at 22:16:21 “Make the lie big, keep it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it,” is widely associated with Hitler and Goebbels’s use of propaganda to build the Nazi empire. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/17/18 at 00:03:34 You can keep your doctor |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by Serowbot on 06/17/18 at 08:05:55 You can keep your children... |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by raydawg on 06/17/18 at 12:22:53 2B3D2A372F3A372C580 wrote:
No, not true, as a man, a woman can kill mine if she likes..... Spin it. You want to protect ALL children, or just some? |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by Trippah on 06/17/18 at 13:48:33 So you think a new fetus is a child? Is that your point? Does that mean if a woman miscarries she is guilty of murder? Only a manly man would think that way. And given the millions of women bring up children without a father, are they providing child support? A child is born when he/she/it? takes its first breath. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by raydawg on 06/17/18 at 13:55:08 Then why can a person be sued for lost of life of a unborn baby if caused by negligence of another? I’ll wait for some more name calling ::) |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/17/18 at 14:53:21 Mommy and daddy get busted Go to jail Bye kids. Keep your pretend butthurt |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by MnSpring on 06/17/18 at 15:01:48 1A3C273E3E2F264E0 wrote:
“…So you think a new fetus is a child?…” Yep, the first division of cells, is another sentient Human being. “… if a woman miscarries she is guilty of murder? …” No, a ‘miscarriage’, is NOT planed or on purpose (Unless it is a Abortion) “… given the millions of women bring up children without a father, are they providing child support? …” Certainly if they KNOW, who the father is, there are many ways to receive support. Unless, they don’t know who the Father is. That is because they are, ‘protecting’ someone, or they had sex with so many, so often, they truly don’t know. If that is the case, WHY, does the mother, want more, Gimme, Gimme, Gimme ? “… A child is born when he/she/it? takes its first breath…” As Raydawg also said, Why if you hit and kill a Woman, and the ME determined she is ONE DAY, pregnant. you WILL be charged with TWO Murders. So which is it. ? |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by Trippah on 06/17/18 at 15:23:09 Which is it? I don't know. When you bomb a village you think is hiding enemies, is that murder? When you shoot someone many times from running from you , with no other issue, is that murder? Is poisoning the rivers with chemical waste cause miscarriages and malformed children, is that murder? I do not agree that sentient life begins at the first cell division. Is it two murders if you hit a pregnant woman, killing both the woman and fetus? I don't think so. Cite your laws by state if you believe this stuff. Most women who don't provide id either are protecting someone (often a family member), a rape, or indeed a random hitch-up. Hopefully DNA ID will soon help narrow down the culprit..gonna be a lot of surprised faces. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by MnSpring on 06/17/18 at 15:35:40 0E28332A2A3B325A0 wrote:
http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/fetal-homicide-state-laws.aspx “…Common references to such laws include the Fetal Protection Act, the Preborn Victims of Violence Act and the Unborn Victim of Violence Act. Those supporting these laws say that both the lives of the pregnant woman and the fetus should be explicitly protected. They assert that fetal homicide laws justly criminalize these cases and address both unborn children and their mothers….” State Fetal Homicide Laws Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 29 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation/development," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization"); these are indicated below with an asterisk (*). |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by MnSpring on 06/17/18 at 15:43:19 0B2D362F2F3E375F0 wrote:
Not sure about that. If the woman, says, ‘Could be you, you, or you”, Could she, her lawyer, the Prosecutor, get a warrant for DNA, to prove, who is the Father. ? To, randomly, pick out someone, we are not at Ray B’s, 1984. (YET) |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by Serowbot on 06/17/18 at 17:57:57 694A7754564D4A43240 wrote:
Maybe we're at Orwell's instead?... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by WebsterMark on 06/17/18 at 18:28:43 07213A2323323B530 wrote:
I have never heard anyone equate miscarriage with murder. Never. A child might be born at first breath, but a human being is created at conception. Those arguing in favor of abortion should at least be intellectually honest enough to admit what you're arguing in favor of is allowing a woman to decide if the life inside her will be killed. Just say that. Just say that in your opinion, until a child is completely out of the womb, the mother can decide to end his/her life for any reason. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by eau de sauvage on 06/17/18 at 19:12:15 As usual those who condone anything trump does derail a thread with the most simple of premises that trump is playing America for fools by using the most basic of propaganda tools which were the weapon of choice for Hitler and Goebbels, namely keep the lie simple and repeat it endless and they WILL believe you. In fact he's now saying how horrible and cruel it is and that this separation children from families is the result of the democrats. It's actually quite incredible. Bush weighed up this option and rejected it as patently cruel and inhuman and now who America is, Likewise with Obama. Sessions on the other hand and Trump, have agitated for this horrific action, OK fine, if that's what they want to do but instead of owning it, they just keep on repeating over and over and over and over the simple lie that it's the democrats who are doing this. Rinse and repeat, just keep on repeating it. Of course this is just one of trumps lies that he repeats endlessly. And really the media are to blame for being too gutless to encase his bullsh!t inside a 'truth sandwich'. A truth sandwich is where the media reports what is actually happening, then reports what trump is saying, then reports how what he is saying is bullsh!t. Even Mrs Trump is now saying that it's the wrong thing to do... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-18/melania-trump-says-she-hates-to-see-children-separated-at-border/9879116 Nice to see idiots trying to call fetuses 'children'. If you go down that road then you have to say when this fetus is a child. The moment the sperm goes through the outer barrier of the egg? one hour, one week one month? |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by Eegore on 06/17/18 at 19:43:28 7E6D75686D7B6B0C0 wrote:
This was addressed on here already, but here it goes again. You can be charged for damaging another person and their property. If someone damages a mother and her child that is illegal and isn't about defining if that mother had the potential to miscarry, or if she was going to abort the child, abuse it or give it up for adoption etc. Its the negligent actions that caused damage that was in No Control of the person(s) or property that were damaged. There is no assessment of fetal progression, or potential of survival before or after birth in these legal actions, the abortion part isn't relevant. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by Trippah on 06/17/18 at 19:46:48 I do not think a two cell organism is a human. Not yet, but with time it might get there. I do not like abortions, except where either it is known that the fetus is abnormal in some devastating way or the woman's health is at risk; or in case of rape. The "what if the woman miscarries" refers to possible governmental attempts to say the miscarriage was induced and therefore it is murder. Interesting and I think you are right in saying the fetal protection act and its cousins may be misapplied. They should be applied when a woman is attacked and the loses the fetus as a result, presuming that the woman has knowledge that she is pregnant and has carried the fetus long enough to prove it viable - 12 months. Druken hubbies and boyfriends who beat the woman so she loses the forth coming child should have a special punishment, say life in prison with removal of testicles (by Alligator). But I do not consider it murder. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by Eegore on 06/17/18 at 19:47:57 "If the woman, says, ‘Could be you, you, or you”, Could she, her lawyer, the Prosecutor, get a warrant for DNA, to prove, who is the Father. ?" Only if she will be taking those individuals to court. You can not take DNA to see who you should take to court. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by Trippah on 06/17/18 at 19:52:00 I think in a very few years DNA matching of all babies and fetuses may become routine, as 1984 looms large in our "Security" driven government. Perhaps as part of a right wing citizenship requirement, or a left wing Whose your Daddy?" program. I think both groups will get together and authorize it through legislation. ps sorry for the drift. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by raydawg on 06/17/18 at 19:55:12 4D6D6F677A6D080 wrote:
This was addressed on here already, but here it goes again. You can be charged for damaging another person and their property. If someone damages a mother and her child that is illegal and isn't about defining if that mother had the potential to miscarry, or if she was going to abort the child, abuse it or give it up for adoption etc. Its the negligent actions that caused damage that was in No Control of the person(s) or property that were damaged. There is no assessment of fetal progression, or potential of survival before or after birth in these legal actions, the abortion part isn't relevant. [/quote] Oh, so parents taking their child and exposing them to possible ramifications by their OWN choice to break laws, and when that choices impacts that kid, it’s like killing millions of Jews. Now I get it ::) Yet, I am called a idiot....ok. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by Trippah on 06/17/18 at 20:13:28 Rawdawg - your last post lost me,,, yes anyone can be sued for most anything. Hopefully the courts suppress outlandish suits. Where and what is the line about parents who, breading a law, subject their child to danger ...how is that like killing Jews? Are you off on people who break the law by entering the US illegally THAT is why the lefties are crying foul (or that is why the OP is saying Trump is like Goebbles? What I read is that Trump, like Unkie Adolph and Goebbels, felt that if you make a lie big enough and bombard people with it, they will soon by swayed to accept it. Propaganda (or advertising) is persuading. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by eau de sauvage on 06/17/18 at 22:10:13 55465E43465040270 wrote:
Aw you poor delicate little snowflake. FFIW, I was greeted with abuse from the first post in the politics forum from that point on I got the message. While I won't abuse people, I'm also not going to treat this political forum as if it was run by mother Theresa. Get over it. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by eau de sauvage on 06/17/18 at 22:15:00 4E5D45585D4B5B3C0 wrote:
Of course you're happy to 'go again' because once your purpose is achieved, i.e. distract and confuse and someone bites then the more you can drag any comments away from the substance of the thread the happier you are. This is trumps modus operandii, which ironically is just another aspect of what this thread is about, it goes hand in glove with the propaganda. Little Donald tiny hands repeats the lie ad nauseam, then his little mouthpieces like yourself continue to run with the lie, then in political threads you do what Sarah Huckerbee does, just keep on with idiotic false analogies and straw man arguments, liberally peppered with obvious lies. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by eau de sauvage on 06/17/18 at 22:25:43 0D2B3029293831590 wrote:
Let me point out the problem with the above quote. You have to admit that to say "but with time it might get there" is a very weird comment because it's f.ucking obvious that given time it will 'get there'. So what are you saying. However if you take the position that 2 cells are not a person but a 9 month old fetus is a person, then you have to say where do you draw the line. If two cells are not a person then adding a single cell is not going to turn 'not a person' into a 'person'. We can play this game on and on. So it's best just to go with the legal definition which might be for example 3 months. Once we have that then by your own admission (that there IS a point somewhere where the fetus is not a person) this 3 month old fetus is not a person. Then we come to the fact that it's men talking about a woman's body (yet again). You say 'I do not like abortions' as if you are the one who is going to make the decision for the woman based on your likes and dislikes. This exactly what the problem with the world is, men treating women as their chattel, as if men make the decisions for women. However men mostly don't want to get a vasectomy but they also don't want to bother with condoms, and then they want to make decisions about a woman's body that's really none of their business. How incredibly generous you are to 'allow' women to have an abortion if their life is in danger. It's better to abort an unwanted fetus than to force an unwanted child onto a mother who does not want it. Let her have a baby when she wants it as it will then get the love and attention it needs and deserves. In the end we have a more equitable society and criminality is reduced because less unwanted children are born and more children that are born *are* wanted. Men forcing unwanted children onto women is just a pathetic control mechanism and they use either bs or the bible (or both) to justify it. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by MnSpring on 06/18/18 at 08:00:54 293F28352D38352E5A0 wrote:
Yep, Bot you are right. George Orwell. wrote 1984 (Just got done re-reading a Bradbury piece) WAIT, DID I JUST SAY: ‘BOT WAS RIGHT” ? I apologize again. Bot, you are, Correct, it was George Orwell who wrote 1984 (Whew, that was a close one, almost called Bot a bad name) |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by LostArtist on 06/18/18 at 12:55:02 so this discussion went from Propaganda to Abortion to Orwell..... is it really that useless to talk on here? I'm going to start relating everything to cottage cheese... |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by Trippah on 06/18/18 at 13:25:58 Well EDS, you covered everything quite well. I didn't say I was against abortions, but the I (as a man) am speaking as a voter, not the decider. If you feel it shouldn't be in the law at all, let the women decide -it's their body after all, I am for that. The whole "pro life" vs "pro choice " is really an attempt to insert religion into our legal system, although historically, I guess it really was already there and they are trying to remove religion from the legal system. Lost Artist is correct, lets drift back to propaganda. (although it is all lies, it interesting to watch). |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/18/18 at 13:46:09 If we don't invade Iraq, we might wake up to a mushroom cloud. |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by LostArtist on 06/18/18 at 14:22:22 726D6B6C71764777477F6D612A180 wrote:
mushrooms don't go well with cottage cheese |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by raydawg on 06/18/18 at 14:37:16 Well I guess we could go back to Russian Collusion.... Do they even have cottage cheese? |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by LostArtist on 06/18/18 at 14:39:48 4C5F475A5F49593E0 wrote:
their cottage cheese is the most congealed of all the cottage cheeses... |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by raydawg on 06/18/18 at 15:38:10 Small Curd Cottage Cheese.......????? |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by LostArtist on 06/18/18 at 15:54:28 40534B56534555320 wrote:
I'd never accuse the Russians of having small curds... |
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Title: Re: Trump and Goebbels, cut from the same cloth Post by MnSpring on 06/18/18 at 15:56:00 7B5844437645435E4443370 wrote:
So you said, the above in post#34 http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1528580438/30#34 Would that be the, Large or Small curd, cottage cheese ? |
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