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Title: Boat owners here....? Post by raydawg on 05/02/18 at 08:55:00 Just thought I would put this question out to the local talent here ;) Anybody here own a boat, or did in the past? I am hoping to get some firsthand info before I leap up in size. Just like I bought the savage to meet my needs, which it did great, oh, and I get to ride here to work again, as they are trying to entice me to stay on, by moving me back to my old location, 30 minute commute instead of 5/6 hours R/T..... I won’t however ;D Anyway, it will be great to ride her again, been late summer last year, last time on her. As with bikes, the prevailing mindset seems to always go bigger, better, etc, for a lot of reasons. I think it’s common to boating, as well. My boat now I really like, have it tuned to my own personal use... However, the wife wants a bigger boat, again, a common trait with women, they want a guy with a bigger, er, wallet 8-) We found a 28 foot boat that we could sleep on, etc. Has a trailer, my new truck would pull it no problem, could keep it in the water during boating season, pull it out and store it off season. My worry is, it’s 10 foot bigger than my boat now, which allows me to just put it in the water as needed, cheaper, less saltwater effect, etc. I just have this feeling a bigger boat requires a lot more money and energy, yes, camping on it would be fun, than it’s worth, as a whole. Anybody with any input, knowing about such adventures, plus/minus, would be appreciated. |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by engineer on 05/02/18 at 09:58:49 You know what they say about boats. The second happiest day of my life was the day I bought my boat, but the happiest day was the day I sold it. A neighbor who recently retired and left this area offered to give me his fairly large boat and I said no thank you. Why? Because I know better and so did a lot of other people, he had a tough time giving it away and it was a great boat in top condition. He finally forced it on a son-in-law. My experience has been that as long as the boat is small enough to trailer you will be happy, it'll be like a motorcycle, something you get out and use when you want. But as soon as it gets too big to drag around on a trailer it becomes something of a liability. |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by raydawg on 05/02/18 at 11:18:05 Can you please talk to my wife ;D |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by norm92de on 05/02/18 at 11:26:21 I did the "ever larger" boat thing. Finally ended up with an Ericson 26 sailboat, beautiful boat, lots of teak etc. kept it in the water year round. I was always worrying when we had storms at the lake, it was always getting small amounts of damage. One time it was not so small. That plus the bottom paint, plus slip fees. Along with a prolonged drought where the lake dropped over 150'. I finally sold it just to get off the hook so to speak. Loved the boat but finally decided to sell it to end the worry. I realized that the best boat was a smaller one I once owned that was easily pulled out of the water and stored in a storage unit at the lake. No real maintenance and no slip fees, plus it was safe from storms. :) |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by raydawg on 05/02/18 at 11:33:51 Thank you kind sir.... I am batting a thousand. My wife is gonna be pizzed at you guys ;D |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by zipidachimp on 05/02/18 at 21:52:54 you've heard this before: a boat/yacht is a hole in the water into which you pour money! lol! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by eau de sauvage on 05/02/18 at 22:38:16 Just came back from a day on the boat. It's a 4 person super caravelle but is perfect for two. Inflatable, meaning I can take it down to the marina on my GS500, including electric trolling motor battery and transom. Cruises along at 3kph, and makes no noise at all. It's awesome https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sevylor-Supercaravelle-XR116GTX-Boat-grey/dp/B008AYJYYQ |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by jcstokes on 05/03/18 at 01:45:39 If it floats flys or whatever, RENT IT. |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by Dave on 05/03/18 at 04:22:29 Raydawg: Can you get a "floating camping trailer" to pull behind the boat on the nights you want to sleep on the water? It is good to keep the wife happy and meet her needs......do you have anyplace that rents bigger boats, houseboats, pontoon boats? Maybe sleeping on the water isn't all that great - might be better to try it before you buy it. |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by eau de sauvage on 05/03/18 at 05:18:48 @Dave, as they say 'happy wife, happy life' |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by SoC on 05/03/18 at 08:44:58 My life wih boats started way back when with an 11' sailboat form my father-in-law. Moved to 14, 22, 27, 35 and finally a lovely Tartan 3700 I we purchased new 10 years ago. Thing I have learned is with each upping in size the work required increases more than the relative gain in length. The big jump in "necessary" effort though was going from 35 to 37 feet. The bigger, the more complicated all the systems become. So now we have our 37 for sale, looking to go down a bit. In the range you are taking about its still fun to make the move up, it opens whole new possibilities on the water. The difference in trailering to being in water makes using it much easier and hence you do so much more and use it often. It is a different mind set. Since you can still haul and trailer it, it gives much more possibilites to take it to new and interesting places and launch it and explore. Since you can haul it, it also means you can get it repaired away from the waterfront, mobile marine mechanics are expensive and it can take much time. But you probably fill your current boat at the local gas station on you way to the water, now you will need to hit the fuel dock and that almost always involves some price shock. The expenses of slip and such are a consideration but if it works out it's money you will feel is well spent. There is a whole new community you will be part of on your dock and in your marina. But you will have to master getting the boat in and out of the slip with out looking like an idiot or screaming at folks as you bounce off pilings. My boat is on a mooring, my wife thinks of it as her private island and loves the time she just sits out there in peace and quiet. She often goes there in the evning and takes her laptop and work and hangs out. Give it a try, if you don't like it you can sell it and go back, knowing more about the whole experience, and that opens your eyes to what you want for the next boat. In our case we want something a little smaller and much simpler. |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by raydawg on 05/03/18 at 09:08:51 6362677576757A677F7D140 wrote:
Thanks for the awesome reply! Your points are great, re: my current situation, it does provide many options that I think you could say are a advantages. I think the pot is still sitting on the stove, simmering on this one yet. Where I live boating is outstanding, be hard pressed to do it ALL, in a life time. Your rig is a beauty, I bet you are a great skipper! Thanks. |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by raydawg on 05/03/18 at 10:11:12 Here is the boat I am considering, anybody know of it reliability, etc? http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/eddy-haskell/00z0z_7H6RImx4a9y_1200x900_zpsr0zaozmy.jpg (http://s299.photobucket.com/user/eddy-haskell/media/00z0z_7H6RImx4a9y_1200x900_zpsr0zaozmy.jpg.html) http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/eddy-haskell/00D0D_gi6xHqLr6Ve_1200x900_zps0hn75bms.jpg (http://s299.photobucket.com/user/eddy-haskell/media/00D0D_gi6xHqLr6Ve_1200x900_zps0hn75bms.jpg.html) http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/eddy-haskell/00d0d_9IPzBbHWQpq_1200x900_zpse840bpsg.jpg (http://s299.photobucket.com/user/eddy-haskell/media/00d0d_9IPzBbHWQpq_1200x900_zpse840bpsg.jpg.html) |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by Dave on 05/03/18 at 15:31:19 That's nice......your wife will be very happy! :) |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by SoC on 05/03/18 at 21:34:29 If you look closely you can see my wife is the "Skipper" that is, until it get's honky. But for your considerations, my best friend is a power boater and has had several, I spend much time on his boat and have been to a lot of look overs with him, and spent way to much time in discussion. What we have found is Bayliners are basically good boats. But there have been exceptions and at some point in the line they are considered throwawys, that is they do the 20 years. The pictures, it looks clean and in good shape, but they all do. Hire a surveyer and have it inspected and sea trialled, worth every cent. It it's Merc, all the better. IO's are, in general, less hassle until they go bad. If it's clean with little corrision you are better off. It looks nice and it's of sufficent size and ammenities to provide you a nice weekend cruising experience. Thing about boats is they are built to 2 different markets, fresh water and sea-worthy. Folks on lakes even big ones, don't often experience the conditions of off shore, in nasties. We regularly race our boat in 25 plus mph winds and 5-8 foot seas, you don't see that as much on lakes. So boats are built to 2 different standards based on where they think they will be used. The boat you are looking at is a very popular model and I'm sure there has been plenty written and available about it. Check Soundings, they may have reviewed it. Look to Boats US for any problems with it. It's not a recomendation to buy this specific boat, but if it looks and proves to be good, you will disscover a whole new world of experiences. In boating there is an old adage, If the wife goes along, go for it. In the end many a guy fights the wife over attention to her or the boat. if she is "on board" 3/4ths of the battle is won before you even have an adventure. Picture is of my wife driving in a race off shore in 25 plus winds and the sea's had just deminished from 4-7 foot. It took a lot of years to get her there, but she has begrudgingly enjoyed most of the ride. |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by SoC on 05/03/18 at 21:37:54 If you look closely you can see my wife is the "Skipper" that is, until it get's honky. But for your considerations, my best friend is a power boater and has had several, I spend much time on his boat and have been to a lot of look overs with him, and spent way to much time in discussion. What we have found is Bayliners are basically good boats. But there have been exceptions and at some point in the line they are considered throwawys, that is they do the 20 years. The pictures, it looks clean and in good shape, but they all do. Hire a surveyer and have it inspected and sea trialled, worth every cent. It it's Merc, all the better. IO's are, in general, less hassle until they go bad. If it's clean with little corrision you are better off. It looks nice and it's of sufficent size and ammenities to provide you a nice weekend cruising experience. Thing about boats is they are built to 2 different markets, fresh water and sea-worthy. Folks on lakes even big ones, don't often experience the conditions of off shore, in nasties. We regularly race our boat in 25 plus mph winds and 5-8 foot seas, you don't see that as much on lakes. So boats are built to 2 different standards based on where they think they will be used. The boat you are looking at is a very popular model and I'm sure there has been plenty written and available about it. Check Soundings, they may have reviewed it. Look to Boats US for any problems with it. It's not a recomendation to buy this specific boat, but if it looks and proves to be good, you will disscover a whole new world of experiences. In boating there is an old adage, If the wife goes along, go for it. In the end many a guy fights the wife over attention to her or the boat. if she is "on board" 3/4ths of the battle is won before you even have an adventure. Picture is of my wife driving in a race off shore in 25 plus winds and the sea's had just deminished from 4-7 foot. It took a lot of years to get her there, but she has begrudgingly enjoyed most of the ride. |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by batman on 05/03/18 at 23:25:57 B.O.A.T.=break out another thousand! :( The smaller the boat the more you'll use it ,and less time and money you'll spend maintaining it -which gives you more money and time to use it.(see how that works?) If you boat is sea worthy, why go bigger unless you intend to live on it. there are lots of old wooden, and metal hulled boats around but few fiberglass ones ,Why? because once you damage the thin layer of gel coat ,water moves through the fiberglass (which is not waterproof ) and attacks the frameing (wood that rots and can't be seen )and the boat twists and warps and is then bonfire material .If your looking at a boat made of this stuff take a long metal straight edge with you to run over the surfaces looking for any warpage .If you find any , it's time to turn on your heel and run like hell. |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by raydawg on 05/04/18 at 08:55:09 WOW SoC...... she is a great skipper! Thanks for such great advice, I will use it, thanks! :) Shot of the engine, fuel tank, and below deck system eyeballed. http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/eddy-haskell/01717_1n4yGVAJCzF_1200x900_zpsexlrt3qt.jpg (http://s299.photobucket.com/user/eddy-haskell/media/01717_1n4yGVAJCzF_1200x900_zpsexlrt3qt.jpg.html) |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by raydawg on 05/04/18 at 09:07:45 393A2F363A356F635B0 wrote:
Well I am sure you might find some folks in disagreement with your views on fiberglass.... Hatteras uses it, as does Grand Banks, and lots of other high end builders. This baby of mine is a dinosaur, as far as glass, it was made by Bill Trent, who started Glasspar, which had a major share of the boating market in its heydays. My gal is a 1959 Seafair, original gel coat, etc..... Only thing I've changed is the wood, that didn't last. I have a new deck on her, and transom, both wood. The stringers are as sturdy and as strong as the day she was made, they are encased in fiberglass. This was all hand laid fiberglass construction of heavy matting, she is tough, and her downwestern flared bow can really take head seas, dry! http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/eddy-haskell/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsw775nsfq.jpeg (http://s299.photobucket.com/user/eddy-haskell/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsw775nsfq.jpeg.html) BTW, the Break out another grand is for folks who have no desire, or knowledge, to do it themselves. I enjoy working on my stuff, from remodeling my house, to rebuilding my boat. I rewired her, new fuel tank, upholstery, etc. Even bought a non running Suzuki DT85 and fixed her to where she starts with just a turn of the key, no cranking, etc. A 4000 dollar motor, for 500 bucks. You can do this frugally too, and it doubles your fun ;) |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by norm92de on 05/04/18 at 09:31:20 I once had a Mercruiser 4 cylinder 170hp I/O. That engine leaked coolant from every joint on the engine. It was "half" a v8 engine, Ford I think, but it could have been a Chevy. I got rid of that thing quickly. Subsequently, I heard about major engine troubles with that engine, I think I dodged a bullet. This was around 1985 but I do remember lawsuits against Mercruiser because of repeated engine failures. The one I had ran beautifully but I knew enough to tell that it was going to be trouble. |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by raydawg on 05/04/18 at 10:04:41 66677A65313A6C6D080 wrote:
Thats a bummer...... I know before I bought my new truck (to me) I was looking at the Ford diesels, and boy howdy, talk about design issues. The old ones were OK, but to get a newer truck meant a Ford engineered motor, they are expensive to fix, and I wasn't going to fork out the money for a brand new truck to use part time. I think I made the right choice with my super duty gasser..... http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/eddy-haskell/A98EFBA5-08E6-402C-9B57-65EA629121C3_zpsrnjcbnno.jpeg (http://s299.photobucket.com/user/eddy-haskell/media/A98EFBA5-08E6-402C-9B57-65EA629121C3_zpsrnjcbnno.jpeg.html) |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by batman on 05/04/18 at 10:55:34 You replace the decks and transom ,what were they? plywood incased in that wonderful fiberglass? if the plywood had been painted first with epoxy ,they would have never needed to be replaced as they would have been protected from water /rot. fiberglass hides damage ,where metal and wood damage can be seen and more easily repaired . but to each is own. |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by raydawg on 05/04/18 at 11:47:11 Wood..... They were protect, look at the original finish on the boat, no paint, etc. However the deck from a 60 year old boat will not last that long, not if you use it. I know if many wood boats that don’t last that long... Olderwood boats, are cheap, requires a lot of upkeep. Of course, if you do your required maintenance, you can alleviate at lot of the future repairs. Aluminum is nice, but it better be welded as oppose to rivets. BTW, I love the old wood boat Criscraft made, the 20 sumtin footer Catalina model was wide and sweet. I spent days on one years ago. |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by batman on 05/04/18 at 17:36:14 well your right there aren't many old wooden boats around but " Old Ironsides " will be 221 years old on Oct 21 of this year. |
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Title: Re: Boat owners here....? Post by raydawg on 05/04/18 at 21:59:26 67647168646B313D050 wrote:
A wood boat called Ironside ;D I get it, just kinda funny. |
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