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Title: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by Oldfeller on 04/27/18 at 00:44:28 Ford is going to quit making most of their line of cars in 2020. Nothing new for next year but a Mustang, a truck and a crossover. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/27/18 at 00:55:02 Get your Crown Vic now. I wonder what that is gonna do to the used car prices. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by LANCER on 04/27/18 at 10:03:43 Where did you hear/see that ? I have not heard anything on the news/ |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by sjaskow - FSO on 04/27/18 at 10:36:18 3F323D3036216164530 wrote:
It was all over the web yesterday: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/26/ford-is-basically-giving-up-on-us-car-business-and-gm-is-not-far-behind.html If you read between the lines, it's all about profit. The SUVs, CUVs and trucks are making money and the sedans ain't. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/27/18 at 12:59:12 Makes complete sense. Why continue to produce something if you lose money on every sale. Focus (no pun) on what you do best. The market wants SUV's, so that's what should be produced. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/27/18 at 18:34:34 Selling into the market, What a concept.. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by Oldfeller on 04/27/18 at 20:46:17 Of course none of it has anything to do with the EU forcing a change over to electric cars by year 2022 ...... Ford does sell internationally after all. Keeping one large powerful 4-W drive cross over for hauling a boat up and down a boat ramp, one sporty sports car and one Midwest "long long haul between gas stations" sedan may be all they plan to still be using with a gas engine by year 2023. You know, the sort of things electric cars simply aren't good at yet. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by MMRanch on 04/28/18 at 05:03:48 My "Cristal Ball" shows an increase in fuel prices , (Demand goes up so does PRICES) , and fair enough. ;) These Low Fuel Prices aren't good for the World's Physical well being ! The sad part is : The Big Three American companies will Fight (tooth + Nail) to keep OUT the lower-price/smaller trucks we see in parts of the world that have Honest Fuel Prices. I have a Ford Ranger with only 127,000 miles on it , and a Chevy S-10 , both of which I'll never wear out so what they do with newer trucks don't really affect me much . :P |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/28/18 at 19:11:03 https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/04/ford-to-end-almost-all-us-car-sales-focusing-on-suvs-and-trucks/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/04/ford-to-end-almost-all-us-car-sales-focusing-on-suvs-and-trucks/ |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by Armen on 04/29/18 at 06:09:59 One reason you sell a vehicle that you don't make money on is to have an entry level product. HD and the Brits stopped making small bikes in the 60's because they could make more money on big bikes. Brand loyalty actually means something. Get people in the door with your entry level car, and they buy one of your nice ones someday. Personally, the idea of the roads full of SUVs, trucks and other land yachts makes me crazy. People have convinced themselves they need a 7,000 lb SUV to go to the grocery store. Waste of gas. Waste of metal and materials. Waste of space. And HUGE debt as we convince ourselves that we have to have large expensive trinkets. The housing bubble/crisis was news 10 years ago. The student loan crisis a few years ago. The automobile debt crisis will be the next crisis. If all those folks had slightly cheaper/ smaller cars and put the few hundred bucks a month into savings/investment, the country would be much stronger in 50 years. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/29/18 at 07:55:26 Nah, the Nissan rogue size offers not even the seating of a sixties Galaxy 500. People generally don't want the big sedan, I never did. A station wagon made sense to me, but weren't nearly common enough, until the suv. And the sizes are cool. The Pontiac Vibe was a cool car but the wife wanted something else,, No, armen, people don't want the big stuff, they want different stuff, some people want and some Need big trucks and cars, but the small suv and the regular f150 aren't going away |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by engineer on 04/29/18 at 08:28:05 A year ago I went shopping for a new vehicle and a salesman told me that no one came in looking for a sedan, everyone wanted a SUV or a truck. You can't sell something that people don't want. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by Dave on 04/29/18 at 12:56:33 584741465B5C6D5D6D55474B00320 wrote:
My Pontiac Vibe is a 2006, and it is the best car I have ever owned. I put lowering springs and 16" wheels with low profile tires to make it handle a bit better (15" wheels with snow tires in the winter). I can haul 4 folks to dinner, fold the rear seat down and haul the dog or stuff......or haul the dog and stuff when we go camping. It gets 30-32 mpg most of the time, and the mileage drops to 25 mpg when I haul the enclosed motorcycle trailer/camper behind. I am approaching 150,000 miles and I wore out a bearing in the transmission at 100,000 miles - it now has a 6 speed which is reported to be more durable and it works a bit better when hauling the trailer. It has been a very long time since I owned a sedan.....it was a 1978 Dodge Monaco that I bought when the City of Fort Thomas put it up for surplus auction. It had been the City Manager's car, then became a detective's car......I bought it in 1983 for $850 and drove it for 2 years and sold it for $500. It was big, and roomy, and cheap to own, and handled like a big yacht! I was just out of college a few months and starting my working career - cheap transportation was a necessity. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by LANCER on 05/10/18 at 21:59:27 33080512030F141209010C13600 wrote:
My Pontiac Vibe is a 2006, and it is the best car I have ever owned. I put lowering springs and 16" wheels with low profile tires to make it handle a bit better (15" wheels with snow tires in the winter). I can haul 4 folks to dinner, fold the rear seat down and haul the dog or stuff......or haul the dog and stuff when we go camping. It gets 30-32 mpg most of the time, and the mileage drops to 25 mpg when I haul the enclosed motorcycle trailer/camper behind. I am approaching 150,000 miles and I wore out a bearing in the transmission at 100,000 miles - it now has a 6 speed which is reported to be more durable and it works a bit better when hauling the trailer. It has been a very long time since I owned a sedan.....it was a 1978 Dodge Monaco that I bought when the City of Fort Thomas put it up for surplus auction. It had been the City Manager's car, then became a detective's car......I bought it in 1983 for $850 and drove it for 2 years and sold it for $500. It was big, and roomy, and cheap to own, and handled like a big yacht! I was just out of college a few months and starting my working career - cheap transportation was a necessity. [/quote] Golly Dave, are you legal and old enough to vote and buy beer ? |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by Dave on 05/11/18 at 03:03:14 Lancer: It took me a long time to get to college......and to graduate. I graduated from high school in 1974 and had no intention of going to college, and I had not taken any college prep classes. I was working as a mechanic at a mower shop, then got a job in the A&P meat packing plant, then at a steel mill in Alliance, Ohio that made railroad undercarriages. I finally decided to go to college and started at the University of Akron in a 2 year technical degree in Electronics. After 2 quarters of that I realized I didn't want to spend all my time in a lab environment. I stopped going to Akron at the end of winter and I went back to the mower shop, and the next fall I enrolled at the local branch of Kent State in a 2 year degree in Land Surveying....there were only 5 of us in the class and they dropped the program after 2 quarters. The next fall I enrolled in engineering at the University of Cincinnati....and since I didn't have college prep classes that included calculus or geometry I was way behind. I had to take some 3 hour calculus classes to get me up to speed with the 5 hour engineering level calculus and differential equations math classes. I graduated from college in 1983....9 years after getting out of high school - so I was a late bloomer and I was 27 years old when I graduated from college! It was not a quick and easy path - but it did motivate me to be a hard worker and to be thankful for all the blessings in my life. Those were kinder/gentler years and my full time tuition at the University of Cincinnati was $275 a quarter when I started and about $600 a quarter when I graduated. I worked as a surveyor on Saturdays and with the City of Fort Thomas on my summer quarters, and in the fall/winter/spring months I worked part time at Burger Chef across the street from the university and a couple blocks from my house (walked to school and work). I was able to pay for all my tuition and living expenses and I didn't get any loans.....and $850 car was a big expense for me. I was also a bit of a late bloomer when it came to drinking and voting and was long past the legal age before I did either. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/11/18 at 16:48:15 You did good, Dave. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by Scotty on 05/17/18 at 09:35:49 Pretty surprising. Wonder if we'll se others follow suit. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/17/18 at 11:36:31 Lincoln, Mercedes, Cadillac, and Porsche make suv type bodies now. Unheard o f not so long ago. I won't miss four door cars |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by LANCER on 05/17/18 at 11:38:54 5D666B7C6D617A7C676F627D0E0 wrote:
Very interesting Dave, I did not know of your journey. It is amazing the way things work out. I started college out of HS at Parks Colege, in Cahokia IL. in ‘67 in Aerospace Engineering, after which I would go into the Marines for their flight program and then fly commercial afterward making what seemed at the time to be really big money. It was still a bit glamorous back then to be an airline pilot. After almost 2 years and spending a lot of time partying instead of studying I decided I would cut out after the second year and join the Marines in their Marcad program which only required 2 years of college and you could still fly. Then I found out that they were shutting that down and would require a degree, as did the Air Force and the Navy, so my only route to fly rested with the Army Warrant Officer Pilot Program which only required a HS diploma, so I took the tests and physical and joined up. It was a good decision, I really liked flying helicopters and especially the TYPE of flying we did in Beautiful SE Asia... “whatever is required to do the job and get yourself and the aircraft back in basically one piece”. There were a lot of YEEEE HAWWWW moments to be sure. It was the best job I’ve ever had. I miss it. After active duty I went back to school for the degree and then joined the Navy after my son was diagnosed with Cystic Fibrosis and was told his life span MIGHT be up to 14 years if he was fortunate. The prospect of continuous medical bills for the remainder of his life sent me back to the military for his medical care. Was in 2 of the Navy’s flight programs until being grounded for good due to sinus & ear blocks and then migraines. That was 1979. Total time active Army and Navy and 2stints in different National Guard units with a total service time of 19.5 years when the Guard told me to go home and don’t bother to call, we’ll send you your discharge papers, due to the VA disability for migraine. Just 6 months short of 20 year retirement. But God has provided. Strange things happen on the way to life. I’m still not sure that I’ve bloomed yet. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/17/18 at 15:46:46 I missed that whole Bloom part. Just a spindly little stalk that went to seed. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by ohiomoto on 05/18/18 at 09:13:14 I thought Ford stopped making cars a long time ago. Oh wait, I meant stopped making good cars. ;) That's why nobody wants to buy their cars. My dad worked for GM and they stopped making good cars back in the 70s. So he started buying foreign cars...and driving them to work!! |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by norm92de on 05/18/18 at 15:24:08 For my money, a car is just fine. We, in this country, seem to be obsessed with bigger and or more. Why? |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/20/18 at 15:29:41 It's not about bigger. It's about function. The suv body style isn't limited to the Suburban. |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by MMRanch on 05/20/18 at 19:14:13 Pretty surprising. Wonder if we'll se others follow suit. KIA , will love for Ford to quit making cars ! KIA has a better Grantee anyway . I'll be glad to see KIA Trucks ! ;) |
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Title: Re: Ford is going to quit making most cars Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/20/18 at 20:05:14 I was watching KIA come up about twenty years ago. I was gonna invest. Went to the dealership, and asked the parts guy how much for an alternator. It was Seven HUNDRED and FIFTY Frikken DAWLURZ. I didn't invest. But should have. |
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