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Title: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/12/18 at 13:51:13 I know this story all too well. Not my own, but by others who have shared as much. I knew a person who committed sucide after having a abortion. She often talked about it, we tried to comfort her. It was about a decade later, she killed herself. Sad that these events are not part of the agreement you must sign before having one. I know I had to sign a whole lotta forms to get my cancer fixed. http://thefederalist.com/2018/04/12/i-was-a-disney-princess-i-had-an-abortion-and-it-almost-ruined-my-life/ |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Trippah on 04/12/18 at 15:25:55 We all have regrets, and certainly having an abortion can fester in your life until its beyond control or facing. having a child and putting him/her up for adoption also brings forth the same sense of loss and regrets. The third group of mothers have the child, some do well (mother and child) but social pressures and financial hardship -sometimes drug addiction, bring about two unhappy lives that poison all around them. Never heard from (in the news) is a fourth group, the fathers. Some become suicidal never getting to see their child. Some don't give a dam, leaving it up to the taxpayers to provide for their child. Obviously, the men who don't give a dam are almost never id, or required to provide for their love child (or rape child) - because, as we all know, the court system never slaps a man for misbehaving unless forced to. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by T And T Garage on 04/12/18 at 15:35:23 Wow... hilarious. "It seems the organization is now considering promoting abortion to toddlers who are happily wearing their tiaras like Cinderella." ;D ;D ;D Not even close to reality.... Anyone who takes 5 minutes will see what that tweet (from one planned parenthood office in PA) was really about and how quickly it was taken down. Leave it to people on this forum to blow something like this way, WAY out of proportion. We get it - you're pro life. But in this day and age, a woman has a right to choose what she does with her body. As for your anecdote - there are just as many stories of depressed moms who kill their babies and then (sometimes) themselves. Horrifying, but true. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Eegore on 04/12/18 at 15:58:01 This seems like an example of how we need more youth education regarding dating practices. Also some middle school or at least high school education regarding the risks and potential psychological impacts, even though most kids that age won't understand. Or perhaps an easier non-subsidized adoption program for low-risk adults. Abortion isn't for everyone, and either is childbirth or raising a rapists baby. I know its not easy but the lady in the article could have left her boyfriend unless she left out parts about him abusing or containing her through domestic coercion. Maybe she didn't know about all the programs out there to help young mothers but it is unfortunate she has gone through this. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Matchless G11 on 04/12/18 at 16:55:37 We get it - you're pro life. But in this day and age, a woman has a right to choose what she does with her body. If it has separate heart, separate brain waves and different DNA is it really her body? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by MnSpring on 04/12/18 at 16:58:24 332D22232E332835470 wrote:
"...WAY out of proportion..." Would that be like you, and something with, Hands, and Orange ? "...a woman has a right to choose..." You Bet, Just that I, and Billions of others, don't have to PAY for it ! ( OH, Unless, the same, government, (people), are going to buy us ALL a Gun ! ) |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Serowbot on 04/12/18 at 17:00:06 Quote:
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/12/18 at 17:07:57 534A44441212514657464048101716230 wrote:
Then why sue for lost of life if a baby is killed in the womb? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/12/18 at 17:37:58 54726970706168000 wrote:
You bring up some interesting points.... It’s a woman’s body, therefore, choice, but it’s a moot point without spending.... |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/12/18 at 17:39:36 I see abortion, is needed as about as much as folks say they need automatic weapons...... Same mindset and mentality. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Eegore on 04/12/18 at 20:26:39 I dont know of any abortion clubs, or locations to go have casual abortions with your friends over the weekend. I'm not clear on how one's desire to have a firearm is equal to their desire to have an abortion. I personally have seen way too many that were necessary to greatly increase the safety of the patient to sit back and say that anyone else besides that patient should choose if she lives or dies. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/12/18 at 21:22:13 As a means of birth control it’s archaic.... Most abortions performed are on repeats. Nobody would ever say a fetus has more rights that the mother in a life and death situation..... You say you have seen many, where was that? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by WebsterMark on 04/13/18 at 04:46:39 Abortion isn't for everyone, Now there's an understatement......especially for the baby. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by WebsterMark on 04/13/18 at 04:57:17 Anyone who sits for a while and really contemplates everything that abortion represents and still proclaims themselves to be pro-choice...has serious shortcomings as a human being. Anyone like that "doctor" who was caught on an undercover video selling body parts, as she was sifting through the remains of the baby she had just killed said "Oh, look, it was a boy".....that person is less than human. How far detached from humanity do you have to be to in order to make an offhandedly statement like that? Large scale abortion providers are like the crematorium guards at WWII era concentration camps. The only way you can do that is to dehumanized people and in the case of pro-choicers, you dehumanize by using phrases like a woman's right to choose, reproductive health, war on women. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Matchless G11 on 04/13/18 at 07:37:32 526067767160774864776E050 wrote:
Planned Parenthood was started by a white supremacist. http://www.blacknews.com/news/black-leadership-acknowledge-margaret-sanger-founder-planned-parenthood-white-supremacist-should-be-denounced/#.WtC_6tYh0tO Maybe the reason why people are calling it Klanned Parenthood. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by T And T Garage on 04/13/18 at 08:17:14 2A333D3D6B6B283F2E3F3931696E6F5A0 wrote:
If it can't exist/live outside her body, then yes. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by T And T Garage on 04/13/18 at 08:19:44 3E2D35282D3B2B4C0 wrote:
Who sued whom? Under what circumstance can/does that happen? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by T And T Garage on 04/13/18 at 08:20:40 5E7E7C74697E1B0 wrote:
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by T And T Garage on 04/13/18 at 08:40:39 370502131405122D01120B600 wrote:
Overblown much web? Sheesh. Let me ask you this - do you eat meat? If life is so sacred, then why/how can you ever eat meat? Is human life above animal life? If so, then why not eat your dog or cat when it's outlived its usefulness? See how going over the deep end looks? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by T And T Garage on 04/13/18 at 08:59:33 3C252B2B7D7D3E2938292F277F78794C0 wrote:
I've never heard it called that until your post. Nice try though. If you care for the truth, here you go: http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/13/18 at 10:21:17 132126373021360925362F440 wrote:
+1 |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/13/18 at 11:40:16 It was her body when she got pregnant. Once the baby is growing She has a tenant. Normal, NATURAL behavior is to Protect the unborn. She's leased her womb out. It's not JUST her body anymore. I KNOW about rape and medical conditions, etc. Let's not run down that rabbit hole. The overwhelming majority of abortion is about convenience. It's a screwed up society. And for all you lovers of minorities, you REALLY need to reconsider the Gift of Choice you support. The founder of planned parenthood HATED minorities and you don't get it. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by WebsterMark on 04/13/18 at 11:46:39 Let me ask you this - do you eat meat? If life is so sacred, then why/how can you ever eat meat? Is human life above animal life? If so, then why not eat your dog or cat when it's outlived its usefulness? Unbelievable level of ignorance and stupidity in your comment. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by T And T Garage on 04/13/18 at 11:48:18 4B797E6F68796E517D6E771C0 wrote:
Oh? You think so? Did you read the rest of it? "See how going over the deep end looks?" Naw... why would you do that? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Eegore on 04/13/18 at 12:13:54 "Nobody would ever say a fetus has more rights that the mother in a life and death situation..... You say you have seen many, where was that?" I worked in a medical center for 13 years. It was in that medical center that serviced thousands of high-risk OB, and Standard OB patients and clinic visits annually that I saw patients who were at a serious health risk, to the point of one or both the parent and fetus could perish if they were to continue a full-term gestation cycle. If you want exact numbers I can get them but it will take a while. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by MnSpring on 04/13/18 at 12:40:58 5F414E4F425F44592B0 wrote:
Who sued whom? Under what circumstance can/does that happen? [/quote] Don’t know of anyone that, ’Sued’ someone for the loss of a babies life. (Sure it has happen though) Believe the inference was, for a Pregnant Woman, being killed. The Killer is charged with TWO Murders. (Don’t have the ‘funding’ to look it up for you) From PP’s OWN Site ! “…60% of Planned Parenthood patients rely on public health programs like Medicaid and Title X…” And they LIE, about, ‘Medicaid/Title X’, saying it is only for, ‘Health Services’, WHEN it is Paying for abortions. Another about 6.6% from State, and 17.4 From Fed Taxpayers, for, JUST, abortion. (24%) Another site says 35% Who do I send the recite to, when I buy a Gun, To get my, ‘Refund/Reimbursement’, From those people, that do Not believe in Guns, yet are FORCED, to pay ? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/13/18 at 12:44:25 5676747C6176130 wrote:
No, that is fine, just wondering.... thanks. My wife was a ob/gyn nurse for many years in private practice and at hospitals. I get my opinion based on her experience. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Matchless G11 on 04/13/18 at 14:38:19 425C53525F425944360 wrote:
I've never heard it called that until your post. Nice try though. If you care for the truth, here you go: http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population [/quote] It is funny how the writer of your NPR article is skipping so much about Old Margret. I want the truth and the whole truth. So here is the truth http://www.blackgenocide.org/archived_articles/negro.html |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Eegore on 04/13/18 at 15:04:21 Aren't abortions by definition considered health services? Its not considered an elective procedure, although I am sure if it could be then funding for it by taxpayers could be reduced. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by WebsterMark on 04/13/18 at 15:22:09 Unborn babies are human beings. There's no getting around that. Abortion is killing a human being. End of discussion. New discussion: What level of development is it acceptable to kill one human for the convenience of another? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Serowbot on 04/13/18 at 16:09:15 18 years... :-? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by T And T Garage on 04/13/18 at 16:18:02 7D646A6A3C3C7F6879686E663E39380D0 wrote:
I've never heard it called that until your post. Nice try though. If you care for the truth, here you go: http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/14/432080520/fact-check-was-planned-parenthood-started-to-control-the-black-population [/quote] It is funny how the writer of your NPR article is skipping so much about Old Margret. I want the truth and the whole truth. So here is the truth http://www.blackgenocide.org/archived_articles/negro.html [/quote] LOL - well match, I'd trust NPR before I would "black genocide". Hey, be sure to tell alex jones I said "hi"! ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by T And T Garage on 04/13/18 at 16:31:04 526067767160774864776E050 wrote:
Apparently, when they can be tried and convicted of a capital crime as an adult - if you look at the conservative viewpoint. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Serowbot on 04/13/18 at 16:50:52 516364757263744B67746D060 wrote:
You're free to believe that... Women are free to believe what their heart tells them too. The Supreme Court says so... The Bible makes no mention. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Matchless G11 on 04/13/18 at 17:03:42 [quote author=677976777A677C61130 link=1523566273/30#32 date=1523662264][quote author=526067767160774864776E050 link=1523566273/15#29 date=1523658129]Unborn babies are human beings. There's no getting around that. Another lie. Sad. Until almost 3 months of growth, human and ape embryos are indistinguishable. An embryo is not a baby. A fetus is not a baby. Indistinguishable, no Their DNA is different I will go by science. “fetus” means “little one, |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Matchless G11 on 04/13/18 at 17:07:58 2F392E332B3E33285C0 wrote:
You're free to believe that... Women are free to believe what their heart tells them too. The Supreme Court says so... The Bible makes no mention.[/quote] "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart"; Jeremiah 1:5 |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/13/18 at 19:17:59 7E687F627A6F62790D0 wrote:
You're free to believe that... Women are free to believe what their heart tells them too. The Supreme Court says so... The Bible makes no mention.[/quote] Because NOBODY DREAMED OF KILLING THE UNBORN. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/13/18 at 19:26:07 It’s birth control of lazy people who can’t control themselves.... Repeats, oops.... Why will no one answer the question why it’s considered a loss of life, if through negligence, a lawful award or claim USA legal remedy.... That baby could have died in childbirth. Waiting.... |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by T And T Garage on 04/13/18 at 20:58:36 43504855504656310 wrote:
Good question - find out and enlighten us all... |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by WebsterMark on 04/14/18 at 05:18:01 Of course unborn babies of any age are humans, suggesting otherwise is lunacy. You have to deny science and logic to arrive at any other conclusion. That anti-human philosophy is today's gifts from atheism and it's evil twin, ultra-environmentalism. If your morality is polluted to such a degree that killing babies for convenience sake can so easily be justified away, there aren't any words to penetrate that dark barrier that surrounds you. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/14/18 at 06:39:37 675552434455427D51425B300 wrote:
Bears repeating |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Eegore on 04/14/18 at 09:05:41 "Why will no one answer the question why it’s considered a loss of life, if through negligence, a lawful award or claim USA legal remedy.... That baby could have died in childbirth." You guys really don't know why? Because its legal, by US process of law for a mother to have an abortion. It is not legal by US process of law to kill someone else or their child. When someone kills a pregnant woman and her unborn baby there is no legal structure proposed by citizens, like us, to make that legal. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Serowbot on 04/14/18 at 09:26:56 5D4244435E5968586850424E05370 wrote:
You're free to believe that... Women are free to believe what their heart tells them too. The Supreme Court says so... The Bible makes no mention.[/quote] Because NOBODY DREAMED OF KILLING THE UNBORN. [/quote] Abortion and infanticide were common practice in biblical times among Romans, Greeks, and Arabs... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion " In his Theaetetus, Plato mentions a midwife's ability to induce abortion in the early stages of pregnancy." |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/14/18 at 09:58:48 " In his Theaetetus, Plato mentions a midwife's ability to induce abortion in the early stages of pregnancy." Yeah, still pretty draconian, birth control, sorta like stoning...... |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/14/18 at 10:45:11 By splitting hairs Roe/Wade decided The Unborn have no constitutional rights. That's it. That's all. It was not A woman has control over her body. It was only The Unborn is not PROTECTED by the constitution. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Serowbot on 04/14/18 at 11:01:23 2B343235282F1E2E1E26343873410 wrote:
You read funny... :-? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by MnSpring on 04/14/18 at 11:04:04 2A343B3A372A312C5E0 wrote:
OMG, Be still my heart. T and T, does NOT, know something ????? The Supreme Court said a baby in the womb has no rights. Therefore Abortion is Legal. The Supreme court, did NOT say, NEVER, said, The Tax Payers, HAVE to PAY for it. The Supreme Court has said, I CAN have a firearm. So the next one I buy, where do I send the Bill, so T and T, can pay for it ? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/14/18 at 11:48:58 3721362B33262B30440 wrote:
You read funny... :-?[/quote] Hillary admitted that. How do you not know? Show me where I'm wrong |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/14/18 at 12:35:52 Well, CRAP, someday maybe I'll just listen to you instead of discovering I'm wrong. On Sunday, Hillary Clinton told Chuck Todd that no unborn child has constitutional rights. "The unborn person doesn't have constitutional rights," under our current laws, said Clinton. She also said that "the woman's right to make decisions" is most important when it comes to abortion. Hillary: Unborn Children Don't Have Constitutional Rights … www.weeklystandard.com/hillary-unborn-children-dont-have-constitutional-rights/article/… ·Is this answer helpful? Hillary Clinton: An Unborn Child Just Hours Before ... www.lifenews.com/2016/04/05/hillary-clinton-an-unborn-child-just... Apr 05, 2016 · During an interview on The View today, Hillary Clinton said an unborn child just hours before delivery should have no Constitutional rights. her comments come just days after Clinton said unborn children simply do not have any Constitutional rights, which would include the right to life. Hillary: Unborn Children Don't Have Constitutional … www.weeklystandard.com/hillary-unborn-children-dont-have... On Sunday, Hillary Clinton told Chuck Todd that no unborn child has constitutional rights. "The unborn person doesn't have constitutional rights," under our current laws, said Clinton. She also said that "the woman's right to make decisions" is most important when it comes to abortion. Hillary Clinton: 'Unborn person' has no constitutional ... https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/3/hillary-clinton... Apr 03, 2016 · Democratic primary front-runner Hillary Clinton ran afoul of both the pro-life and pro-choice sides of the abortion debate Sunday when she said constitutional rights do not apply to an "unborn person" or "child." Hillary Clinton: "The Unborn Person Doesn’t Have ... townhall.com › tipsheet › Justin Holcomb Hillary Clinton made her point on abortion clearly known on NBC’s “Meet the Press” Sunday morning. The Democratic frontrunner responded to Chuck Todd's question on whether or not an unborn child has constitutional rights by saying, "The unborn person doesn’t have constitutional rights.". Videos of hillary clinton said the unborn have no rights bing.com/videos Hillary: Unborn Person Doesn’t Have Constitutional Rights’ 1:34HD Hillary: Unborn Person Doesn’t Have Constitutional Rights’ YouTube · 4/5/2016 · 27,000+ views Do the unborn have rights in this America? Hillary Clinton says "The unborn have no rights" 0:43 Do the unborn have rights in this America? Hillary Clinton says "The unborn have no rights" YouTube · 11/4/2016 · 239 views CLINTON - UNBORN PERSONS have NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS 1:48 CLINTON - UNBORN PERSONS have NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS YouTube · 6/14/2016 · 2,000+ views See more videos of hillary clinton said the unborn have no rights Hillary Clinton: ‘The Unborn Person Doesn’t Have ... https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/cnsnewscom-staff/hillary... (CNSNews.com) - Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on NBC’s “Meet the Press" today that “the unborn person doesn’t have constitutional rights.” Clinton made the statement in response to a question from “Meet the Press” host Chuck Todd. Hillary Clinton says 'the unborn person doesn't have ... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3522101/Hillary-Clinton-says... Hillary Clinton says 'the unborn person doesn't have constitutional rights' as she explains her stance on abortion. Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said that an 'unborn person' does not have constitutional rights during |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/14/18 at 14:25:10 Folks still won’t entertain the mindset, and arguments, as interchangeable, with gun rights, and abortion rights. Who needs to kill a baby as a means to birth control...... Why? Are there not many other means available to them for this, other than risking reproductive damage to self, and killing another life, in the process? It’s expensive, huge profits for some, at a great cost to society? How can you pick and choose which life is worth saving, and which one is not? Convenance? Maybe some extend upon this mindset and mentality as just cause to shoot up a school, when they feel it will right a slight, or some over issue/concern they have...... A life is expendable, we have already established that. Guns. It’s your right to arm yourself over the threat of tyranny that exsisted way back at the founding of our nation. Is it possible that threat no longer exsist, or has changed so much that thinking guns could combat such a action by the present government? But, but, but..... It’s our right. So is my free speech. To call you two peas in the same pod. Even tho you will never entertain you are the problems. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Matchless G11 on 04/14/18 at 15:30:54 [quote author=7A6C7B667E6B667D090 link=1523566273/45#45 date=1523728883][quote author=2B343235282F1E2E1E26343873410 link=1523566273/30#44 date=1523727911]By splitting hairs "Roe/Wade decided The Unborn have no constitutional rights. That's it. That's all. It was not A woman has control over her body. It was only The Unborn is not PROTECTED by the constitution. Roe/Wade decided The Unborn have no constitutional rights" Dred Scott case said blacks have no constitutional rights. Blacks did not have constitutional rights for many years either till Amendment XIII. And it took a ugly civil war to get there |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Serowbot on 04/14/18 at 16:45:47 You think the unborn should have the right to bare arms,.. or what?... Freedom of speech?... Ya'll are bonkers... |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/14/18 at 20:45:04 Wow, you're really something. Turn something completely upside down with such a ridiculous assertion. I guess that's how you deal with losing. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Eegore on 04/14/18 at 23:52:20 I like this one: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article208905159.html |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by WebsterMark on 04/15/18 at 06:52:38 2335223F27323F24500 wrote:
The unborn have a right to life. Everyone alive today was at one time, an unborn child. Sorry about the biology part of it, but once pregnant, there are two bodies, not one. Two human beings, not one. I get disagreements over public policy, governing philosophy etc...but you'd think something as profound as ending a new life would be universally condemned. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Serowbot on 04/15/18 at 07:28:46 Should pregnant women get two votes?... |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Trippah on 04/15/18 at 07:39:45 I am always confused by the right to life thing. We, as a nation, kill innocent blacks through police intervention it seems every week..no outrage from the Right To Life Group. We kill 100,00 innocent people who'se government we don't like, but no outrage? But, if a girl is date raped and becomes pregnant you say she must carry this sacred seed of the Devil because why? An what may she do when the child is born, keep it, sell it, trade it away? Are you willing to legally impede the socialite who takes a two month "vacation" at a clinic/spa in Europe? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by MnSpring on 04/15/18 at 10:09:27 6177607D65707D66120 wrote:
WOW, that is SO, ……, of a comment. Let’s see, does a 5 year old get a vote, how bout about a 12 year old, how bout a 17.5 year Old. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by WebsterMark on 04/15/18 at 10:16:52 4B5D4A574F5A574C380 wrote:
Clever. How's that working for you? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by WebsterMark on 04/15/18 at 10:20:22 75534851514049210 wrote:
You're not confused at all, you're very good at pretending to bring up valid arguments but you already know the answers. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Serowbot on 04/15/18 at 10:26:00 003235242332251A36253C570 wrote:
Clever. How's that working for you?[/quote] I enjoy it. ;D Look,.. this is a subject that is impossible to reconcile. The approach is from entirely different perspectives. The only options are to become irate about it,... or to let the water slide of yer' back. My point in joking is to illustrate the futility of the discussion. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by MnSpring on 04/15/18 at 10:26:02 183E253C3C2D244C0 wrote:
And this is my opinion on the post. It is Not a Statement of, 'Your Wrong because you don't believe the SAME thing" "...kill innocent blacks through police intervention it seems every week...." Don't know where this is happening ??? Can you site facts that it is the Police, not the rival gang/s that live next door ? "...We kill 100,00 innocent people who's government we don't like...." That would be the person, that was elected. And if it is reference to the Latest, HRC, would have done MORE. "...a girl is date raped and becomes pregnant you say she must carry this sacred seed of the Devil..." Don't believe anyone is saying that. "...willing to legally impede the socialite who takes a two month "vacation" ..." The Supreme Court, said she can. Just that, in the case you showed, if that person chooses to KILL her baby, she will not be arrested. AND, SHE, will pay for it. NOT, YOU and Me. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by MnSpring on 04/15/18 at 11:51:15 26352D30352333540 wrote:
Abortion was started, (in this country), as a way to remove undesirable people from over population. Then it became, a ‘hot topic’, to be discussed by religions, and not religious people. Then the Supreme court decided, it was legal. (Many changes has happened to row/wade, but fundamentally it is the same) Today, a woman can kill the baby inside her, with no legal repercussions. (Yep, I said Kill, not, abort) Some do, and pay for it on their own. Most have, YOU, pay for it, and instead of bothering to take a pill, or practice safe sex, use abortion as a convent form of Birth Control, which they don’t have to pay for. Here is a Idea: Abortion, if it is, ’Tax Payer’, money that pays for it. You get One free, AND, at the same time, you also get sterilized. (Wait, do the Progressive Fairy Dust Sprinklers, believe that is a intrusion on free will and liberty ?) OR, (Do the Conservative, freedom lovers, believe that is a intrusion on free will and liberty ?) Look at Guns It was started as a way to stop any, ‘government’, from forcing their will on the People. It is basically the same today, (although more symbolic). Yet still viable. Their are people who say, ‘Guns’, or a, ‘Certain’, gun is Bad. And it/they, have NO use, and you should not be Free to posses one. (Wait, do the Progressive Fairy Dust Sprinklers, believe that is a intrusion on free will and liberty ?) OR, (Do the Conservative, freedom lovers, believe that is a intrusion on free will and liberty ?) Is it the Left that wants one thing, and the Right wants the other? Or is it the other way around? Is it, the Left, or the Right, that want both ? Is it the Right or the Left, that want neither? Is it some on the Left, or is it some on the Right, that want Some of this, and some of that? Which part do, some want, which part do they not want? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/15/18 at 12:33:00 Too much to consider.... Just remember, Thursday nights, 7PM, at the home, chocolate pudding.... |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Matchless G11 on 04/15/18 at 12:59:36 61475C4545545D350 wrote:
This sacred seed of the Devil? :-? This woman who was a product of rape, became a EMT (how many people has she saved during her career?) https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/26/us/pennsylvania-burger-king-baby-reunion/index.html |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Eegore on 04/15/18 at 15:33:47 372E2020767635223322242C747372470 wrote:
This sacred seed of the Devil? :-? This woman who was a product of rape, became a EMT (how many people has she saved during her career?) https://www.cnn.com/2014/03/26/us/pennsylvania-burger-king-baby-reunion/index.html [/quote] I don't think we should force women to have rapist's babies because those babies might become an EMT. By this logic we could easily say that the EMT position was going to be available anyway, and that the EMT in the article could be worse than the other person that would have been hired if she hadn't been born. Lets try to avoid those rabbit holes. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/15/18 at 15:39:21 It’s birth control, lazy azz birth control.... Leave all the other side arguments off of it. Argue those under their own merit if you like, but it’s draconian birth control, period. It undermines and degrades society just as much as sexism, racism, ism-isms.... Call it what it is, putting lipstick on a pig is still a pig! |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by T And T Garage on 04/15/18 at 16:12:35 7F6C74696C7A6A0D0 wrote:
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Matchless G11 on 04/15/18 at 16:18:26 Rape and then abortion. Two wrongs are not making a right. The number of pregnancies from rape is rare, so the number of abortions from rape is also rare. No Abortion is mainly just birth control. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Eegore on 04/15/18 at 16:37:55 322B25257373302736272129717677420 wrote:
I still think its the victim's decision what she can do with her body. Your outlook or anyone else's on life or religion doesn't put you in that victims position, so just let them decide no matter how rare. This reminds me of stem cell treatment. People are against it until they or a family member will die, or suffer lifelong disability then all the sudden its not so bad. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/15/18 at 17:29:10 I still think its the victim's decision what she can do with her body. Then prostitutes should NOT be in the NEWS, if that is the rationale behind abortion. Drugs of any kind, should not be regulated, or made illegal, if its to use in your body only. I can sell any part I want, of my body, for profit, then. I can walk around nude, if I like, its my body, don't look, if it bothers you.... I can maim myself too, its my body. Yeah, crazy eh? |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Matchless G11 on 04/16/18 at 03:32:15 The rape case again is such a small of number of abortions. Unfortunately people make the justification for abortion on demand during all nine months for the rare exemption. The same kind of argument is made against using seat belts or helmets. Like "My uncle Ernie would have been killed if he was not thrown from the wreck." Or "Wear a helmet and you will snap your neck in a accident." |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Eegore on 04/16/18 at 06:48:24 5D4E564B4E58482F0 wrote:
Which one of your examples is not the choice of the participant? All those examples are people choosing to commit crime or mutilate themselves. A rape victim has the assault, the lifelong emotional trauma and a pregnancy forced on her by someone else. The term "victim" was used intentionally. Again people say we have the better decision than the victim but the tune changes when its their sister being forced to carry a baby to term from a man or group of men that forcibly raped her. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by MnSpring on 04/16/18 at 08:01:01 1C3C3E362B3C590 wrote:
So exactly, how is that different than, someone, ‘Choosing’, abortion as a form of Birth Control? The, ‘Crime,’ part, has been removed from abortion. So why NOT, remove the, ‘Crime’ part, from selling body parts, or Drugs, etc, etc. Currently, Selling Body Parts, for a, ‘Citizen’ is illegal. Selling Body Parts, from a, ‘Non Citizen’, (as a Aborted Baby) is Perfectly All Right ! |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by raydawg on 04/16/18 at 09:10:44 Oh gee, I must leave this site..... I have been called out, ridiculed, made fun of..... Well, maybe I will wait to see if Fair Bob the heart and soul of all that is righteous in this world..... Comes to my defense. How many lives have you left in your splooge towel ray? It undermines and degrades society just as much as sexism, racism, ism-isms.... Only in your little world ray. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by Eegore on 04/16/18 at 09:49:20 51724F6C6E75727B1C0 wrote:
So exactly, how is that different than, someone, ‘Choosing’, abortion as a form of Birth Control? The, ‘Crime,’ part, has been removed from abortion. So why NOT, remove the, ‘Crime’ part, from selling body parts, or Drugs, etc, etc. Currently, Selling Body Parts, for a, ‘Citizen’ is illegal. Selling Body Parts, from a, ‘Non Citizen’, (as a Aborted Baby) is Perfectly All Right ! [/quote] US process of law has made abortion legal. Any due process of law that makes one thing legal does not open the door to make all things related legal, so I would recommend that each be reviewed individually. What I was referring to is that Ray used references of people choosing to do something versus a victim who does not have a choice. I believe there is a difference between a victim of violence and a person who chooses drugs. I do not believe that people who aren't victims should choose a victim's course of action regarding pregnancy to a full-term. I do not think drug use should be legalized because abortion is, unless it goes through due process of US law, much like marijuana has. |
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Title: Re: On the flip side....... Post by T And T Garage on 04/16/18 at 10:16:37 31223A27223424430 wrote:
All very fitting replies to your claptrap ray. |
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