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Message started by HAPPYDAN on 04/12/18 at 08:42:19

Title: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by HAPPYDAN on 04/12/18 at 08:42:19

This is not a motorcycle related question. This is a firearm related question, one of my other expensive, time consuming, pointless hobbies. I have a Survival Arms AR-7, .22, produced between 1990-1997, bought new. It has been an absolute disaster. A gun for "survival" must be, above all, reliable and accurate. This gun, despite many attempts to fix it, has never been either. This is NOT the Henry version (I wish it was!). It is actually not safe to shoot. Therefore I would never sell it even with a disclaimer. So, all you gun-smart dudes out there, what is a legal way to permanently take a firearm out of circulation and get rid of the aftermath? I have been waiting for a gun buy-back program to no avail.

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by MMRanch on 04/12/18 at 08:59:01

Polish and clean it really good and head for you local pawn shop ! Trade it for something and wish the new owner Good Luck !

Sell it to a Gun Smith would be the best thing to do with it ... or ... I'm sure I could modify it to act right ... How far away are you from middle Tn. ? :-?

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/12/18 at 10:11:53

Simple. If you want to take it out of commission, a band saw to the barrel, then filling all the voids with cement, will do the trick.

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by LANCER on 04/12/18 at 10:23:58

Grind the numbers and other identifying info completely off and cut it up into little pieces. Parts that can be smashed take a sledge to them so that all you have is a container with scrape metal in it. Throw that into a box with other assorted metal pieces you may have collected, nuts, bolts, springs, rusty anything, and take it to a salvage place and sell the box of metal. It will all be melted and gone.
If anyone asks you, them it was a danger to fire so you destroyed it.
You own it and you can destroy it if you wish. It will certainly not turn up anywhere so no one can come after you for it.
You can even take a photo of the pile of destroyed parts and the receipt for the scrap metal you sold, if you wanted to keep them for proof of destruction.

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by badwolf on 04/12/18 at 10:40:55

Don't grind off the sn#! You can go to jail for that!
I go along with cuting it up into peices, but turn the pieces into the local PD. They should even give you a reciept.
But a reciever with no numbers is a ticket to jail.

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by LANCER on 04/12/18 at 11:34:53

494B5846585A424B43582A0 wrote:

JAIL...don't like that.

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by Tocsik on 04/12/18 at 11:46:15

Just turn it into the PD? Why go to all the trouble cutting it up if you turn it over to the PoPo?

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by oldNslow on 04/12/18 at 12:13:31

Why do anything? I understand that those things aren't any great shakes of a rifle, but so what?Take it apart, store the parts in the stock like it's designed for,toss it in the back of your closet, and forget about it. You don't have to feed or water it, it doesn't take up much room, it isn't going to make any noise, and it won't crap on the floor or chew up your shoes. Someday you might wish you still had it.

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by MMRanch on 04/12/18 at 15:50:48

[highliWhy do anything? I understand that those things aren't any great shakes of a rifle, but so what?Take it apart, store the parts in the stock like it's designed for,toss it in the back of your closet, and forget about it. You don't have to feed or water it, it doesn't take up much room, it isn't going to make any noise, and it won't crap on the floor or chew up your shoes. Someday you might wish you still had it. ght] [/highlight]

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Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by HAPPYDAN on 04/12/18 at 18:18:07

Thanks all for the good suggestions. I bought this thing in '95 on a whim, from a place with a "No Return" policy. If you are at all familiar with this travesty (see internet reviews, NOT the Henry version!) no one ever had any luck with it. It cannot be repaired; several gunsmiths have tried. It just has too many faults. The worst fault: sometimes the firing pin will jam, and when you charge the weapon, it goes off. If it actually feeds the way it's supposed to (rarely), it will exhaust all 7 rounds from the magazine automatically, in whatever direction it's pointing. Got thrown off the range when that happened. I suppose cutting it up is probably the best idea. Many shooters tell me that when Henry bought the rights in '98, they solved all the problems. Maybe I'll get one of those.

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by Eegore on 04/12/18 at 20:52:01

You can just cut it up and turn it over to local police, if they wont for some reason take it then damage the parts further if you want, but do not file off those numbers.

I've cut a barrel and turned in parts due to safety issues myself for a friend.

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/12/18 at 21:05:45

Does that manufacturer still exist?

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by verslagen1 on 04/12/18 at 22:44:06

If you turn it in, take it all apart, take out a significant part and replace it with a piece of junk from something else. [smiley=evil.gif] really piss someone off trying to put it back together.

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by MShipley on 04/13/18 at 08:04:04

I would suggest you just ship it to me.....

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by JLC on 04/13/18 at 08:50:54

A good way to make a gun inoperative? Take the firing pin out. If you need help with disassembly, there are multiple online videos for just about any gun out there. Put the gun back together (without firing pin), and you know it will be safe.

Mere possession of a gun with ground off serial numbers is a felony.

Some people have been prosecuted for having a firearm capable of full automatic fire, even when it should have been obvious it was not their intent (the firearm was faulty).

A jamming firing pin may cause full auto fire, so will a faulty sear engagement (trigger assembly). A competent gunsmith should have been able to rectify that problem. It may not be cost efficient though, as the AR-7 is not a high end gun.

Where are you located?

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/13/18 at 11:33:26

Send it to
Forged in Fire.
Let them make a knife out of it.

Doesn't sound like it would hold an edge.

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by HAPPYDAN on 04/13/18 at 14:02:39

5C4345425F5869596951434F04360 wrote:

Does that manufacturer still exist?

No. This was the only model they produced (a rifle and pistol), and Henry picked up the rights in 1998. I'm pretty sure "AR-7 Industries, 90-97", went broke as a result of poor materials and workmanship. The gun was designed by Eugene Stoner (AR-15 fame) for the Air Force, and is a very intriguing design. Henry now owns the patent, and appears to have solved the problems. The problem I have is due to state legislation. All firearms transfers MUST be approved by a background check of the recipient. So it looks like I'll just have to destroy it beyond use, and store the pieces in the attic. Or maybe another gun buy back program will come along. . . .

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by Armen on 04/13/18 at 18:07:41

Find out if there is a gun buy-back in your area. There are a bunch around here. You'll get a few bucks and the junk will be melted down.

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by Ed L. on 04/13/18 at 18:16:57

Give it to the Fuzz and let them deal with it but call first so you aren't walking into a police station with a gun in hand. :o

Title: Re: How to (legally) get rid of a gun?
Post by Oldfeller on 04/15/18 at 10:32:31

Unless you already know it is a hot gun, then just carry it to a pawn shop or gun store and sell it. Tell the guy you are selling it to about the chain fire issues -- he probably won't care too much as he knows he can get the gun fixed or fix it himself.

The issue with the gun is that it was dry fired a lot and the firing pin is jammed/stuck in the out position, so every time the breech slams shut the stuck firing pin hits the rim of the next case and sets it off.

This is not hard to fix, BTW.

Those survival .22s will sell quick in just about any kind of shape, as preppers seem to think they need one.

Once transferred, save your copy of the paperwork for a record of transfer and FORGET ABOUT IT.

Issue over.