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Message started by NHLycan on 04/10/18 at 14:32:14

Title: In defense of snobbery
Post by NHLycan on 04/10/18 at 14:32:14

Is there a conceit we've collectively fallen prey to: that anyone is as good as anyone else? I'd suggest that is the case.

In orign, it may be an artifact of our democracy itself. Or the rhetoric around our democracy.

All men are created equal.
Each person's vote counts as the same.
We're all treated the same before the law.
My opinion is as good as yours.
And recently, there were "some very fine people on both sides."

All of these are lies, of course. They exist along a spectrum from aspirational goals to well intentioned pablum and end at dishonorable, tribal bull puckey.

It's a kind of madness. But it's a disease of the mind we share. People may be understandably reluctant to admit that someone else is their better. There are mental dodges to this condition. Sports for example. People aren't threatened by their sports heros. They instead identify with them. As part of a tribe.

But in most other arenas, it's not comfortable to have to acknowledge that you're the loser in life.

And somehow, in this place and this time, this has translated into a skepticism about expertise itself. I think we have, in this skepticism, one partial explanation for the foisting of Trump upon us by the aggrieved.

In order to prove to themselves that talent, class, skill, experience, morality and expertise do not make a better person, and by extension, chief executive, they've saddled us with a fellow devoid of any semblance of those characteristics. The entire idea of meritocracy has been upended.

Truly, even the lowest of us is now equal to the highest.

Exactly how far does this disdain for expertise extend among the true believer?

Are large animal vets are just as good as a real doctor? If so, good luck with that valve replacement.

What about financial advice? We have our answer. Larry Kudlow's history degree is apparently better preparation than anything Harvard business school could provide.

We selected Trump for what is probably the most ethically, spiritually, emotionally and intellectually challenging job on earth. Because he was, arguably, a successful business person. Let's pretend we agree that he's a very sharp business person. So what? Politics is not business. That business experience is about as applicable as years spent in animal husbandry. But here we are.

Since he is so very smart at business, and since ethics and credentials no longer justify, would his supporters be comfortable letting him repair the brakes on their bikes? Treating their family's medical conditions? Those tasks aren't nearly as challenging as the job he now holds. Of course not. It's absurd to ask and even his most sincere supporters would blush to suggest otherwise.

So why is government service different? Why the disdain for that expertise? Just to feel better about their own failings? Is it spite? Nihilism? It's a puzzlement.

(Couple this extreme skeptical viewpoint with a dash of paranoia and we also arrive at the age old conviction that the elites are out to get us.
In it's most toxic form this degenerates into conspiracy theories; deep state, chemtrails, false flag, lizard people, seven seals, faked moon landing type ravings. The mind boggles at how these folks manage to dress themselves.)

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by T And T Garage on 04/10/18 at 15:15:13

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Wow! Great post!

I can't say I agree with it all (all men are created equal - they just don't all mature that way, IMHO) - but very well said!

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by thumperclone on 04/10/18 at 15:35:40

for me and mine its the benchmarks that we use
we are happy, that's all that matters
all the rest ....well you must judge for yourself

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by raydawg on 04/10/18 at 16:08:49

Ain’t no absolutes.

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by Serowbot on 04/10/18 at 16:45:36

64776F72776171160 wrote:

Ain’t no absolutes.

Absolutely...

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by raydawg on 04/10/18 at 17:06:28

5543544951444952260 wrote:

[quote author=64776F72776171160 link=1523395934/0#3 date=1523401729]Ain’t no absolutes.

Absolutely...[/quote]

Your compass is absolutely broken, or in the least, out of calibration.
And I know this as fact, but I know you won’t even acknowledge it, again, as I am absolutely sure, so I don’t know, why I try. SMH.

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by Serowbot on 04/10/18 at 18:01:23

Absolute gibberish

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by oldNslow on 04/10/18 at 18:24:56

Quote:

So why is government service different? Why the disdain for that expertise?

Because in our country today the "expertise in government service" that you appear to be so enamored of, consists primarily of expertise in feathering ones own nest at the expense, and to the detriment of, the actual productive members of this society. That's a bit different from the expertise of say, a doctor, or an engineer.

Trump didn't get elected because the people who voted for him are cretins. He got elected because the majority of the people who voted for him, saw him, imperfect as he is, as an alternative to Clinton, who is a shining example of the "government service experts, most of whom are outright unapologetic criminals to boot,that have been putting the screws to us for quite a number of years.

In defense of your own snobbery, your post sounds articulate, intelligent and well reasoned. It is unfortunately also a load of crap.

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by WebsterMark on 04/10/18 at 19:01:58

..one partial explanation for the foisting of Trump upon us by the aggrieved. In order to prove to themselves that talent, class, skill, experience, morality and expertise do not make a better person, and by extension, chief executive, they've saddled us with a fellow devoid of any semblance of those characteristics. The entire idea of meritocracy has been upended.

This knuckle dragging, Roseanne watching resident of flyover country proundly pronounces that you are far better at composing an idiotic, out of touch diatribe than almost any other over educated, shallow East coaster I've seen in a long time. You're that dude Matt Damon's character in Good Will Hunting schools and then steals the girl from.

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by raydawg on 04/10/18 at 19:17:40

3D2B3C21392C213A4E0 wrote:

Absolute gibberish

I am glad you see the comparison, or the intent, of the OP.,..
After I so cleverly exhibited the it’s false premise, by sharing my own premise, under his own rules....
Table turned, game over, next.

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by T And T Garage on 04/10/18 at 19:30:36

1A2425293B2726480 wrote:

Quote:

So why is government service different? Why the disdain for that expertise?

That's like, your opinion man.

:D

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by MShipley on 04/11/18 at 12:30:13

In defense of your own snobbery, your post sounds articulate, intelligent and well reasoned. It is unfortunately also a load of crap. [/quote]

It is worse than a load of crap, this is the kind of ideal that was coming out of 1930 Nazi Germany. I guess next you will be wanting to clone yourself and aborting all those "lesser" people. I can agree with you in one respect. This is the TRUE face of the Progressive movement.

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by T And T Garage on 04/11/18 at 13:48:32

607E45445D4148542D0 wrote:

In defense of your own snobbery, your post sounds articulate, intelligent and well reasoned. It is unfortunately also a load of crap.

It is worse than a load of crap, this is the kind of ideal that was coming out of 1930 Nazi Germany. I guess next you will be wanting to clone yourself and aborting all those "lesser" people. I can agree with you in one respect. This is the TRUE face of the Progressive movement.
[/quote]

LMAO - 1930's Germany? Seriously?? (I'd love to see you try and explain that)

Talk about a load of crap!

You wouldn't know a progressive policy if it hit you over the head.

Take a look around you - this presidency and administration is a sham at best. We've got paul ryan fleeing the sinking ship among dozens of others.

But yeah, the progressives are the bad guys... :D

Right.....

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/11/18 at 14:03:28

e've got paul ryan fleeing the sinking ship among dozens of others.

You have no idea what the motivation is.
You don't really believe that lying sack is actually a republican do you?
He's got swamp water in his blood.

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by MnSpring on 04/11/18 at 14:20:35

312D302835203726292A2B20450 wrote:

for me and mine its the benchmarks that we use
we are happy, that's all that matters
all the rest ....well you must judge for yourself

Well that,
and the number 42

Title: Re: In defense of snobbery
Post by Trippah on 04/12/18 at 08:27:49

NHLycan - good post. The knuckle draggers want to go back to the smog shrouded smokestack black soot belching Yesteryear where people lived to be 50, and if you could dress yourself, you could get a job (unless of course you were a woman, black etc etc) This Idyllic Yesteryear is the land of Currier and Ives calendars and " Post " covers.
Free, white and 21 and of course male.
Now some clueless people whipped all those jobs to other lands where people and countrysides can be polluted leaving behind a healthier land and life extending world where, heaven forbid, you had to go to school and learn difficult skills (beyond gum chewing and crotch scratching) to get the newer types of jobs available. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

All this is really simply a war between the old wealth and newer wealth, thankfuly which ever side wins, we will lose.