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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 04/10/18 at 10:05:52

Title: Whodunit?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/10/18 at 10:05:52

Rumor has it that there was a chemical attack in Syria. Some people say No, no hospitalization of victims, no dead, but the political uproar is as if it was real.

This, on the heels of Trump saying he wants to bring our people home.

So, if it happened, who did it?

Title: Re: Whodunit?
Post by Serowbot on 04/10/18 at 10:39:41

Try watching the real news...

Title: Re: Whodunit?
Post by MnSpring on 04/10/18 at 10:56:56

382E39243C29243F4B0 wrote:

Try watching the real news...

Great, Which one is it ?
Can you provide a Link ?

Title: Re: Whodunit?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/10/18 at 11:17:25

7563746971646972060 wrote:

Try watching the real news...

Tell me what happened..
Assad did it, right?

Title: Re: Whodunit?
Post by Eegore on 04/10/18 at 12:24:32

Who is saying there are no hospitalizations or dead? Can you provide a reference? I know people there right now, they have seen hospitalizations, and asphyxiated victims.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43697084

There's images and video available in Ghouta, medical workers there have provided first hand information. Of course they could be colluding, and murdering the patients themselves and recording it. I find that outcome to be less likely since there are other sources, and video of previous chemical attacks. The amount of evidence in my limited research creates, to me, a preponderance of evidence that leans more towards chemical weapons usage than someone who says "No" with no other source beyond their opinion.

https://ihsmarkit.com/products/conflictmonitor.html
https://geographicalimaginations.com/tag/ihs-conflict-monitor/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/syria-says-strike-on-military-base-carried-out-by-israeli-warplanes/2018/04/09/4179f3a2-2864-46ec-9b35-fef7c4eaf247_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a3675d109ab6

Title: Re: Whodunit?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/10/18 at 22:06:47

I don't know where the site was I was reading,
But my big question is
Who
Did it?

Title: Re: Whodunit?
Post by Trippah on 04/11/18 at 06:34:45

Syrians or Russians, does it matter? In the Spirit of Vietnam, Kill them All let God decide.

Really though, this "Lets play nice at war" is really kinda BS.
Have you ever read the First Hand accounts by Germans of the Firebombing of the City of Dresden during WWII?
In the Middle East I do not think the Hundred of thousands killed by explosives, and the what, millions with traumatized Brains and missing limbs, are all that happier we didn't use chemical or biological agents in with our explosives.
These types of weapons are simply too uncontrollable so for self protection, we agree not to use them. So for that reason, and the sad aftermath for those who survive the initial attack, we try to contain the use. BUT, when the enemy doesn't give a pooh about you or his own troops, only that he kills more of you than him, well it is kinda moot.

Title: Re: Whodunit?
Post by Serowbot on 04/11/18 at 07:42:17

2A353334292E1F2F1F27353972400 wrote:

I don't know where the site was I was reading,
But my big question is
Who
Did it?

And you don't think you were manipulated by Russian bots?...
In this day and age,... who said it, matters as much as what is said.
"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Winston Churchill
Truer today than ever...

Title: Re: Whodunit?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/11/18 at 13:24:33

You're in a fight.
One guy who is against you says
Screwitt, I'm going home.

But you're stupid enough to do something to make him Stay?

Who manipulated you?
IF you want to use the chemicals,
Wouldn't you WAIT until the opponent went home?
Russia has no reason to do that.
They want us gone too.

How does it make sense for Russia or Syria to do that?

It's a critical thinking exercise.
I've Explained
Logically and rationally
Why it's not reasonable to believe Syria did it. Russia is in agreement with Syria, and until I see a reason to believe I Shouldn't be, I'm not supporting removing anyone else over there.

Everything we've done has worked SO well.

Title: Re: Whodunit?
Post by Eegore on 04/11/18 at 17:01:39

You're in a fight.
One guy who is against you says
Screwitt, I'm going home.

Change that to:

You're part of a mob of hundreds of thousands of people fighting for years on end.
A committee is observing and setting rules of how its to be fought.
That Committee can add/remove significant resources.
One guy who is against you says Screwitt we all need to go home, but he can't make it happen anytime soon.
You create a cover up to change that one guys mind.

Title: Re: Whodunit?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/11/18 at 21:04:00

Huhh?
Why would you want to change his mind?

Trippah, I Explained WHY the Syrians have exactly No Reason to gas anyone right now.
He's WINNING
And Gassing people will do
What?
Give us reason to stay.

Now what logic would explain Assad gassing ANYONE Before we go away?
And why now?
Don't you guys remember the last time?
What?
Assad Only does it when America is trying to decide what we will do?

Just saying
Who cares if it's Assad Or Russia
Isn't a reason.
There is No Strategic Advantage in DOING EXACTLY WHAT HAS BEEN WARNED AGAINST.

We aren't dealing with petulant children.
Assad is no fool. Russians are sophisticated strategists.

Using gas only accomplishes
One Thing,
It guarantees OUR continued involvement

If our leadership is stupid enough to believe Assad did it.

Title: Re: Whodunit?
Post by Serowbot on 04/12/18 at 11:11:04

'We have the proof' Syria used chemical weapons, French President Emmanuel Macron says
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/proof-syria-used-chemical-weapons-french-president-emmanuel-133908585--abc-news-topstories.html

Title: Re: Whodunit?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/12/18 at 21:33:40

I think people should do their own thinking, and should bear in mind that governments Lie.

WMDs?
Vietnam?
And how Reasonable is it to believe Assad did it?
I was ALONE last time.
I was RIGHT, too.

And why do you want to believe France?

Are they a disinterested third party?
Did Assad call and confess?
Has France been hostile to Assad?

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Hollande's approach to Syria has done more harm than good to France and the Syrian people.

While there has been much debate within the international community over what should be done in Syria, France has adopted a more assertive, if not aggressive, position. From the very beginning of the Syrian conflict, the French government was the first to recognize the Syrian National Coalition in November 2012. . It was also the first government to promise arms to the rebels .

Trump can stand up and say
Assad did it
And I won't believe it.
It's STUPID for him to do it

And
HE'S WINNING

So, believe what you want.
I stood alone last time.
And, eventually, Assad was cleared.
I was right.

But anyone can choose to believe what suits them.