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Message started by raydawg on 04/07/18 at 22:51:10

Title: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/07/18 at 22:51:10

If atheism was to become the governing norm, religion could not live within its dictates.
However, atheists can live the same life as believers, in a Christian based society...,

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Matchless G11 on 04/08/18 at 04:57:21

I have some friends who are Atheist who act better then some of the Christians I know. But as a world view it is terrible. You had Pol pot, Stalin, Lenin, and of course  Mao.  

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by WebsterMark on 04/08/18 at 05:01:20

Atheism along with its evil sisters, liberalism, socialism and communism (the natural progression) have killed more people than anything else.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Serowbot on 04/08/18 at 07:22:36


20332B36332535520 wrote:
If atheism was to become the governing norm, religion could not live within its dictates.

What dictates?...
Religions have a god dictating certain rules..
Atheism has no dictates... because it has no god.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Trippah on 04/08/18 at 07:40:47

You mean all these Holy wars are fake history, that the Jihadist killing non-believers and of course the "other sect " of Islam are just propaganda so we can have permanent War (the big boys playing in their sandboxes).  Hamas doesn't really want to kill all Jews (only the living ones).  Oh my, all those inquisition heroes will have to be disowned.  
Really, power drives certain people to mass murder using what ever works to get the people lined up and willing..transfer of wealth, our God is Better than their God, etc.  

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 09:07:03


372E2020767635223322242C747372470 wrote:
I have some friends who are Atheist who act better then some of the Christians I know. But as a world view it is terrible. You had Pol pot, Stalin, Lenin, and of course  Mao.  


Is it fair if you were to judge me, a believer, by your friends behavior?

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 09:11:32


15332831312029410 wrote:
You mean all these Holy wars are fake history, that the Jihadist killing non-believers and of course the "other sect " of Islam are just propaganda so we can have permanent War (the big boys playing in their sandboxes).  Hamas doesn't really want to kill all Jews (only the living ones).  Oh my, all those inquisition heroes will have to be disowned.  
Really, power drives certain people to mass murder using what ever works to get the people lined up and willing..transfer of wealth, our God is Better than their God, etc.  


For the sake of clarity, lets keep it up to date with Judeo-Christian beliefs after the Resurrection.

And yes, religious leaders can be all the ugly things they preach against.
That is like saying all humans are terrorist then, and power hungry, as you are, for wanting to force your opine on us with your reply....  

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 09:13:20


7E687F627A6F62790D0 wrote:
[quote author=20332B36332535520 link=1523166670/0#0 date=1523166670]If atheism was to become the governing norm, religion could not live within its dictates.

What dictates?...
Religions have a god dictating certain rules..
Atheism has no dictates... because it has no god.
[/quote]

So, anything is fair with atheism then?

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/08/18 at 09:18:13


584B534E4B5D4D2A0 wrote:
If atheism was to become the governing norm, religion could not live within its dictates.
However, atheists can live the same life as believers, in a Christian based society...,



I don't see a response to the point.
It's a good point.

The right aren't all freaking out over what others DO.
The lefties are.
Lefties/ atheists would destroy Christianity in a second if they could.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Serowbot on 04/08/18 at 09:45:22


44574F52574151360 wrote:
[quote author=7E687F627A6F62790D0 link=1523166670/0#3 date=1523197356][quote author=20332B36332535520 link=1523166670/0#0 date=1523166670]If atheism was to become the governing norm, religion could not live within its dictates.

What dictates?...
Religions have a god dictating certain rules..
Atheism has no dictates... because it has no god.
[/quote]

So, anything is fair with atheism then?[/quote]
Morality and religion are two different things.

Christianity tells you stone to death your neighbour if he works on the Sabbath...
It also tells you not to steal...
Your morality tells you which one to follow and which to ignore...
Atheists have morality without having to parse God's bullshit.  

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 10:08:46


2137203D25303D26520 wrote:
[quote author=44574F52574151360 link=1523166670/0#7 date=1523204000][quote author=7E687F627A6F62790D0 link=1523166670/0#3 date=1523197356][quote author=20332B36332535520 link=1523166670/0#0 date=1523166670]If atheism was to become the governing norm, religion could not live within its dictates.

What dictates?...
Religions have a god dictating certain rules..
Atheism has no dictates... because it has no god.
[/quote]

So, anything is fair with atheism then?[/quote]
Morality and religion are two different things.

Christianity tells you stone to death your neighbour if he works on the Sabbath...
It also tells you not to steal...
Your morality tells you which one to follow and which to ignore...
Atheists have morality without having to parse God's bullshit.  [/quote]

Try context, then get back to me, OH WAIT, Atheists..... do not want anyone to have freedom of association or expression of ANY GOD, as it impinges on their freedom FROM......

As I said ya wanna get try context?

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 10:11:59


56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
[quote author=584B534E4B5D4D2A0 link=1523166670/0#0 date=1523166670]If atheism was to become the governing norm, religion could not live within its dictates.
However, atheists can live the same life as believers, in a Christian based society...,



I don't see a response to the point.
It's a good point.

The right aren't all freaking out over what others DO.
The lefties are.
Lefties/ atheists would destroy Christianity in a second if they could.
[/quote]

Yes, because their charge to the pursuit of THEIR happiness is FREEDOM from religion, or anyone exercising it publicly, like free speech.

And again, yes, many evil things have been done under the NAME OF RELIGION.......but is it the gun, or the person using it?  

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 10:46:27

Your morality tells you which one to follow and which to ignore...
Atheists have morality without having to parse God's bullshit.


So, if we were ALL atheist, by their decree and superiority of all things moral, we would not be in need of laws.

I like that, I only have one remaining question, however.....

Is that Your morality, that tells you which to follow/ignore, or mine?

Who decides, or how do we decide, if they are in conflict?  

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/08/18 at 10:47:27


6076617C64717C67130 wrote:
[quote author=44574F52574151360 link=1523166670/0#7 date=1523204000][quote author=7E687F627A6F62790D0 link=1523166670/0#3 date=1523197356][quote author=20332B36332535520 link=1523166670/0#0 date=1523166670]If atheism was to become the governing norm, religion could not live within its dictates.

What dictates?...
Religions have a god dictating certain rules..
Atheism has no dictates... because it has no god.
[/quote]

So, anything is fair with atheism then?[/quote]
Morality and religion are two different things.

Christianity tells you stone to death your neighbour if he works on the Sabbath...
It also tells you not to steal...
Your morality tells you which one to follow and which to ignore...
Atheists have morality without having to parse God's bullshit.  [/quote]



Christianity tells you stone to death your neighbour if he works on the Sabbath...

BULLSHIT


Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Serowbot on 04/08/18 at 10:53:13

Exodus 31:15
'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by WebsterMark on 04/08/18 at 11:05:34


3523342931242932460 wrote:
[quote author=44574F52574151360 link=1523166670/0#7 date=1523204000][quote author=7E687F627A6F62790D0 link=1523166670/0#3 date=1523197356][quote author=20332B36332535520 link=1523166670/0#0 date=1523166670]If atheism was to become the governing norm, religion could not live within its dictates.

What dictates?...
Religions have a god dictating certain rules..
Atheism has no dictates... because it has no god.
[/quote]

So, anything is fair with atheism then?[/quote]
Morality and religion are two different things.

Christianity tells you stone to death your neighbour if he works on the Sabbath...
It also tells you not to steal...
Your morality tells you which one to follow and which to ignore...
Atheists have morality without having to parse God's bullshit.  [/quote]

No, it doesn't say those things. That would be like ignoring a couple hundred years of court cases that have expanded the meaning of the Constitution.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 11:14:03

Great example Web......

Context is EVERYTHING.

However, if we tear down a Confederate Statute, it changes history  ::)

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 11:15:12


7660776A72676A71050 wrote:
Exodus 31:15
'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.


Why?

You going to answer my questions about who decides?

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/08/18 at 11:22:32


3E283F223A2F22394D0 wrote:
Exodus 31:15
'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.


I guess you don't know what the New Testament is or what Jesus accomplished for us.

Jesus SAVED a lamb on the Sabbath.
You need to WANT to understand instead of Want to prove the message of the bible wrong


Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 11:33:31


3B242225383F0E3E0E36242863510 wrote:
[quote author=3E283F223A2F22394D0 link=1523166670/0#14 date=1523209993]Exodus 31:15
'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.


I guess you don't know what the New Testament is or what Jesus accomplished for us.

Jesus SAVED a lamb on the Sabbath.
You need to WANT to understand instead of Want to prove the message of the bible wrong

[/quote]

But Jog, if we have more gun laws, HEY, maybe if we had public stoning of those who use their guns illegally  ;D

Man fails at laws, thrives under Grace  :)


Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by MnSpring on 04/08/18 at 12:15:15


5E485F425A4F42592D0 wrote:
 What dictates?...
Religions have a god dictating certain rules..
Atheism has no dictates... because it has no god.  


The, ‘dictates’, that Atheism has,
are, DICTATES, that a person,
does NOT,  Believe in ANY  deities.
 (And If one believes in any deities,
        their mind is inferior)

In the past,  Communists/Socialists Have,
called themselves, ‘Atheists’, or ‘Agnostics’.
Because their is no, ‘God’, their is no, ‘Afterlife’,
so their is NO  REASON, to lead a good life,
or to be a, ‘moral’, person.
It is Only, Live for Today.

Today, ‘Atheists’, do have,
 a  ‘church/following/gathering’, of sorts.
(That would be if you are a card caring, atheist)
So today, that,  ‘church/following/gathering’,
        Says  different.  
Just like the Catholic Church says, their was NO  Pope Joan.

Atheists, changed the ‘belief’, in Non Believing in a, 'God',
           to just, ’not believing’,
which, without saying, ‘WHAT’ they are, non believers of,
brings the point, right back to:
   They Believe, in Non Believing.
         (Which IS, a, ‘Belief’)

Agnostic, is the belief in not believing in anything.  
                (That is Religious)
 (WHAT, is that word, BELIEF, doing their again)

So a, Agnostic, has always said:
 'They just don't believe'
And now a, Atheist, is saying:
'They just don't believe'
 And now, the difference is ???
(Like anyone in the WORLD, Gives a Hoot)

As it is clear that the people on this form,
who describe themselves as, agnostic/atheist,
     DO,  believe
They 'Believe',  in Abortion.
And 'Believe', Guns are BAD.
And 'Believe', that if you dont, 'Believe', like them, you are inferior.
And golly Wally, what is that, BELIEF, about the current POTUS ?

Now, (again)
, for the Panty in a Bunch people.
I think, MOST, people,
 don't give ONE HOOT,
if someone believes, or doesn't believe in a 'God'.

The problem is;
one, group that believes, says:
'"If you don't believe what I tell you to believe,
              I will KILL  you"

And a group, that does Not believe, says:
"If you do believe, it is apparent
that the, Non Believers,
are far Superior to you"









Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 12:24:59

So we agree then, atheism, equal elitism......

I, as a believer in the resurrection, KNOWS, he is a sinner, a loser, and on my own, I would ensure my welfare,over anybody else’s....

Gee.

But if I adopted Bots way, that would be ok.

Gee.

Can I change my mind?  ;D

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 12:33:58

Golly......

Did someone take their ball home?

Which, is ANOTHER example of what I was trying to convey on this here thread:


http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1523040149

Keep your GD expressions out of the public arena, I don’t care to see you worship a fairytale.....
However, I am allowed to, and support my right for folks who disagree with any public policy, to display their belief with acting out, even destroying property, if need be, to express myself, publicly  :-?

Gee, that really doesn’t seem sustainable, is it?

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Serowbot on 04/08/18 at 12:39:25


12310C2F2D3631385F0 wrote:
Today, ‘Atheists’, do have,
 a  ‘church/following/gathering’, of sorts.
(That would be if you are a card caring, atheist)
So today, that,  ‘church/following/gathering’,
        Says  different.  
Just like the Catholic Church says, their was NO  Pope Joan.

Atheists, changed the ‘belief’, in Non Believing in a, 'God',
           to just, ’not believing’,
which, without saying, ‘WHAT’ they are, non believers of,
brings the point, right back to:
   They Believe, in Non Believing.
         (Which IS, a, ‘Belief’)

Agnostic, is the belief in not believing in anything.  
                (That is Religious)[b]
 (WHAT, is that word, BELIEF, doing their again)

So a, Agnostic, has always said:
 'They just don't believe'
And now a, Atheist, is saying:
'They just don't believe'
 And now, the difference is ???
(Like anyone in the WORLD, Gives a Hoot)

Your brain must look like a pretzel...
Where do you get these ideas?... Is there a handbook or something that I'm not aware of?...


Dawg?... Who would make the rules?...
Who makes them now?.
We have, or are supposed to have, a Constitution and system of laws that govern all the people of all religions and no religion.
A separation of church and state.
Without "Jesus",... the same law structure would exist.
We have an atheist governance now.
Lawmakers are supposed to set their god aside when crafting laws.  It's when they don't that they get themselves in trouble.

Christians choose to disregard the Old Testament...
... when it suits them...
Other times they pluck little nuggets of bigotry and hate to impose their will upon others.
Fire n' hell and brimstone!!  and all that whatnot...
Religion is a nasty business...

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 12:41:51

Thanks, your back  ;D

Where does it say they disregard their beliefs?

If I have no foundation, then who decides, atheist?

Going in circles, tell me why your belief, to not believe, TRUMPS  ;D

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Matchless G11 on 04/08/18 at 12:44:05


7D6B7C61796C617A0E0 wrote:
Exodus 31:15
'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.


And you have seen this recency?

Understand the context and difference of the old and new testament
The Bible is the most complex book ever written.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 12:51:10


233A34346262213627363038606766530 wrote:
[quote author=7D6B7C61796C617A0E0 link=1523166670/0#14 date=1523209993]Exodus 31:15
'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.



And you have seen this recency?

Understand the context and difference of the old and new testament
The Bible is the most complex book ever written. [/quote]

Yes, and within its boundaries, it speaks individually too!  ;D

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Serowbot on 04/08/18 at 12:53:10


475E5050060645524352545C040302370 wrote:
[quote author=7D6B7C61796C617A0E0 link=1523166670/0#14 date=1523209993]Exodus 31:15
'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.


And you have seen this recency?

[/quote]
God changed his mind?...
The Ten Commandments are Old Testament... Moses had them...  do you ignore them?....
Christians are so funny... ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by WebsterMark on 04/08/18 at 12:55:01


Christians choose to disregard the Old Testament...
... when it suits them...
Other times they pluck little nuggets of bigotry and hate to impose their will upon others.
Fire n' hell and brimstone!!  and all that whatnot...
Religion is a nasty business...


And you are plucking little nuggets from outside the mainstream of Christianity and using it to impose your atheistic will on others. Atheism is nasty business.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by WebsterMark on 04/08/18 at 12:57:45


687E69746C79746F1B0 wrote:
[quote author=475E5050060645524352545C040302370 link=1523166670/15#25 date=1523216645][quote author=7D6B7C61796C617A0E0 link=1523166670/0#14 date=1523209993]Exodus 31:15
'For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death.


And you have seen this recency?

[/quote]
God changed his mind?...
The Ten Commandments are Old Testament... Moses had them...  do you ignore them?....
Christians are so funny... ;D ;D ;D[/quote]

Go make fun of the beliefs of militant Muslims....

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Serowbot on 04/08/18 at 12:58:40

We are all Atheists...
I just have one more god that I don't believe in than you do.
Would you be interested in a system of laws based on Thor?... or Zeus?...
Better to keep these gods out of our legislation.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Matchless G11 on 04/08/18 at 12:58:42

Lawmakers are supposed to set their god aside when crafting laws.  It's when they don't that they get themselves in trouble.




So where does our moral law come from?
If it is just feelings there are many who started the gulags with feelings.
If we use science we find many easy ways to put problem people into ovens.
So where does science or feelings command. "thou shall not kill"

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Serowbot on 04/08/18 at 13:01:00

Our morality is the thing that makes you disregard the Old Testament.
...or most of it.
How do Christians choose what to believe from that book?...
That is your moral compass doing the editing.  
If you don't have a moral compass,... if you can only distinguish right from wrong because someone tells you what to think,... you are a sociopath...

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 13:09:01

The Bible is written for folks to read it to improve upon themselves.
Yes, many judge, just like you, because they fail to understand how scripture works.
Let’s take your stoning that YOU cherrypick, and fault believers, as selective....

I read it as such:

God talking now: “Raydog, you work too much, thinking that prosperity will provide for all your needs.
I tell you, that is not true.
For surely it will kill any relationship you have with others, if for nothing else, out of neglect.
You are putting your faith in something that can not provide you what you think it can.
You need to rest, to tend to life, relationships, and to set aside time to study/worship me (him).....
For if you do not heed my advice it will surely be as those who you claim to love and care for, will be like stoning you to death, slowly, stone by stone, day by day, as the relationship withers and dies....”

I don’t expect you to understand, I accept that, it’s your choice, you seem to be promoting yourself, in order to survive the moment.

Just thought I would set out a bucket of water, nothing more.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Matchless G11 on 04/08/18 at 13:12:19


7660776A72676A71050 wrote:
Our morality is the thing that makes you disregard the Old Testament.
...or most of it.
How do Christians choose what to believe from that book?...
That is your moral compass doing the editing.  
If you don't have a moral compass,... if you can only distinguish right from wrong because someone tells you what to think,... you are a sociopath...


So why is killing wrong?

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by MnSpring on 04/08/18 at 13:22:12


7E687F627A6F62790D0 wrote:
Your brain must look like a pretzel...
Where do you get these ideas?... Is there a handbook or something that I'm not aware of?...


Please point out, where I do not have, ’correct’ information.

A, Agnostic/Atheist,  does, Not,  ’Not Believe’ ?
  (Please Correct)

A, Agnostic/Atheist,  does, Not believe, in  ’Not Believing’ ?
  (Please Correct)

A, Agnostic/Atheist,  does, Not believe, in any ‘afterlife’?
  (Please Correct)

So, History, of the U.S.S.R., Germany, China,
 (through their, ‘red’, ‘hitler’, ‘mao’, time)
And the ‘Hippie Communes’, in the US,
from mid 60’s to 70’s  (+/-)
did NOT  Happen ?
  (Please Correct)

Perhaps the word, ‘church’,  
describing the furthering of the ever changing,
education of the Agnostic/Atheist.
Or is it that the, Agnostic/Atheist’s,
  (All Around This Spaceship)
consider people that believe in any deities,
       to be inferior.
Is disturbing/upsetting you?

Don’t know.  Please Correct !

My Personal View, Don’t Give A $hit,
if someone ‘believes’, or not, or what they, ‘believe’, in or not.


What I DO, care about is when a group, who believes in a certain deity
tells me, that because if I, don’t believe in the SAME, deity.
        They will KILL ME.
Just the SAME, a someone telling me,
If I  don’t,  “NOT BELIEVE”,
     I am inferior to them.


Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Serowbot on 04/08/18 at 13:24:36


2C353B3B6D6D2E3928393F376F68695C0 wrote:
So why is killing wrong?

The better question is,.. Why is killing not wrong?...
Would it be wrong to kill a mass shooter on a killing spree in a school?...
The bible says "Thou shalt not kill"...
If you are literal,... you let the killer continue.
If you are moral... you stop him by any means necessary.

So, why is it wrong to kill?...
It is wrong to kill innocents... wrong to kill without justification.
Wrong to kill without morality.

Dawg,.. just implied that he interprets the Bible his own way.
This is based on his own moral compass...
I just choose to use my own moral compass without reinterpreting a rulebook to make it suit me.
No difference really.
So who needs the book?...
You still decide the same with the book or without it.
The book is nonsense.  
Religion as not created as a guidebook.  It was created as a means for ruling.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Matchless G11 on 04/08/18 at 13:29:14




It is wrong to kill innocents... wrong to kill without justification.

Why?



Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by WebsterMark on 04/08/18 at 13:32:19

The better question is,.. Why is killing not wrong?...
Would it be wrong to kill a mass shooter on a killing spree in a school?...
The bible says "Thou shalt not kill"...
If you are literal,... you let the killer continue.
If you are moral... you stop him by any means necessary.


Again, you're wrong. It doesn't say kill, it says murder. Those are two different things and that makes all the difference.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Serowbot on 04/08/18 at 14:19:31


665453424554437C50435A310 wrote:
Again, you're wrong. It doesn't say kill, it says murder. Those are two different things and that makes all the difference.


Who cares?... The point is, you navigate the Bible using your own personal moral compass.
I navigate life the same way,... without a Bible.



Matchless,.. killing is wrong because I don't want you to kill me.
Therefore,... I won't kill you.
"Do unto others..."
The Bible says so,.... but so does any civilized human that isn't a sociopath.
If you need a Bible to tell you that,...  ????  :-?

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 15:51:19

Of course not, we need more gun laws

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Serowbot on 04/08/18 at 16:16:33


3C2F372A2F39294E0 wrote:
Of course not, we need more gun laws

Jesus says so... :-?

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by MnSpring on 04/08/18 at 16:42:09


7D6B7C61796C617A0E0 wrote:
[quote author=3C2F372A2F39294E0 link=1523166670/30#40 date=1523227879]Of course not, we need more gun laws

Jesus says so... :-?[/quote]
Really,  Didn’t know that.
Bot, when did he tell you that ?

Do know, several others say,
more gun laws, AND, Banning.
Will stop ALL Crime.


Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 16:46:23

My moral compass is foundational upon scripture, you can not seperate that Bot, even tho you think folks of faith should set it aside deciding law...
You can’t, it is who you are, just as much a race, sexual orientation, gender, etc....
Just because you say YOU can, does not make it right for everyone.
You mentioned power earlier, indeed, you are right about that, the powerful would decide ALL laws, as historically white male landowners did at ONE TIME.
You can not blame the present, on the past, because it takes it ALL out of context, just as the OT is a precursor to the NT.

You dude, are the one who is inconsistent and cherry picking depending on what you need at the moment.
Just like your post about Tweeter and the dinner, etc....
Obama to this day slams FOX as why he couldn’t accomplish all his goals, and he wouldn’t go on the network either...

Own it, and let’s move on, just extend the same considerations to others that you demand.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Serowbot on 04/08/18 at 16:53:38

Yur so shmart, DaWg... ::)

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/08/18 at 17:02:07

Ball, home, geez.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by T And T Garage on 04/09/18 at 06:09:04


2137203D25303D26520 wrote:
[quote author=665453424554437C50435A310 link=1523166670/30#38 date=1523219539]
Again, you're wrong. It doesn't say kill, it says murder. Those are two different things and that makes all the difference.


Who cares?... The point is, you navigate the Bible using your own personal moral compass.
I navigate life the same way,... without a Bible.



Matchless,.. killing is wrong because I don't want you to kill me.
Therefore,... I won't kill you.
"Do unto others..."
The Bible says so,.... but so does any civilized human that isn't a sociopath.
If you need a Bible to tell you that,...  ????  :-?[/quote]


Once again Bot - waayyyyy too much logic in your posts.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/09/18 at 08:09:54

Yeah, you won..
Uh huhh..

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/09/18 at 08:20:26

Bot, I do not use my moral compass to navigate the Bible, it is my compass.
With that understanding, and if I was a officer in the government, you are telling me to not use it when it comes to any public debate, as in crafting laws.
In essence, we are right back to where my thread started, because of your belief, you want to put restraint on mine.

I appreciate your willingness to discuss the topic, even tho you were in the minority, you stayed in the game, thanks!

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by T And T Garage on 04/09/18 at 13:00:13


11021A07021404630 wrote:
Bot, I do not use my moral compass to navigate the Bible, it is my compass.
With that understanding, and if I was a officer in the government, you are telling me to not use it when it comes to any public debate, as in crafting laws.
In essence, we are right back to where my thread started, because of your belief, you want to put restraint on mine.

I appreciate your willingness to discuss the topic, even tho you were in the minority, you stayed in the game, thanks!


Well ray - if there was a Sikh working in the government, would you want he or she to be guided by his or her belief?  How about a Muslim?  How about an Atheist?

Can't you see the ramifications?  (that's rhetorical)

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by MnSpring on 04/09/18 at 15:02:48


405E51505D405B46340 wrote:
"... if there was a Sikh working in the government, would you want he or she to be guided by his or her belief?  How about a Muslim?  How about an Atheist? ..."  

Please explain:
Why, for 8 years,
  it was perfectly All Right,
    to have a Muslim in charge of this Country?

Will you  recant, that a, ‘Belief’, in a, ‘Belief’,  is Not harmful.

Or will you tell us all, your, ’savior’, is/was, a ‘Dumb $hit’,
 Because, he is/was not, Atheist or Agnostic.

           Pick one !


Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/09/18 at 15:20:37

Which New Testament Christian beliefs would you not want your government to operate under?

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Serowbot on 04/09/18 at 15:39:27


5C7F426163787F76110 wrote:
Please explain:
Why, for 8 years,
  it was perfectly All Right,
    to have a Muslim in charge of this Country?

You're unbelievable... ;D

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by T And T Garage on 04/09/18 at 15:40:57


1204130E16030E15610 wrote:
[quote author=5C7F426163787F76110 link=1523166670/45#50 date=1523311368]
Please explain:
Why, for 8 years,
  it was perfectly All Right,
    to have a Muslim in charge of this Country?

You're unbelievable... ;D[/quote]


Um, Bot...don't you mean "your"?

;D ;D ;D

To think - some people still believe Obama is a Muslim.  Too funny!


Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/09/18 at 15:45:58


594640475A5D6C5C6C54464A01330 wrote:
Which New Testament Christian beliefs would you not want your government to operate under?


Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by MnSpring on 04/09/18 at 16:00:19


697778797469726F1D0 wrote:
 "To think - some people still believe Obama is a Muslim.  Too funny!


Good, So you believe Obama is/was not a  Muslim.
So, Tell all of us,  exactaly, What, 'Religion' he was ?

Then use that 'religion', in place of the word, 'Muslim'
In the statement below.

Please explain:
Why, for 8 years,
 it was perfectly All Right,
   to have a Muslim in charge of this Country?

Then Answer it !



Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by T And T Garage on 04/09/18 at 20:42:50

Some people need to learn the definition of "never".

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/09/18 at 20:49:16

Life will go on, change will come, and like a big family, a commonality is stronger than what separates us.
Remember, folks get passionate because America means something to them, worth fight for.
A big threat, maybe Syria, Russia, Iran, who knows, will bring us back a greater cause than what the media is trying to play on.
Trump has been a gold mine for the media, just when it was really losing a lot of its clout.

Try and keep the perspective guys, just look how the parties, stories, etc, swap views and beliefs, and it keeps going on.  ;D

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by T And T Garage on 04/09/18 at 20:55:00


6C7F677A7F69791E0 wrote:
Life will go on, change will come, and like a big family, a commonality is stronger than what separates us.
Remember, folks get passionate because America means something to them, worth fight for.
A big threat, maybe Syria, Russia, Iran, who knows, will bring us back a greater cause than what the media is trying to play on.
Trump has been a gold mine for the media, just when it was really losing a lot of its clout.

Try and keep the perspective guys, just look how the parties, stories, etc, swap views and beliefs, and it keeps going on.  ;D


Ok, so you're cool with a Sikh referring to his/her religion in making decisions in government as your representative - got it!

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/09/18 at 21:01:19


382721263B3C0D3D0D35272B60520 wrote:
[quote author=594640475A5D6C5C6C54464A01330 link=1523166670/45#51 date=1523312437]Which New Testament Christian beliefs would you not want your government to operate under?

[/quote]


Nothing?
Then

WHY

Would anyone want our legislators to ignore Christianity in their creation of legislation?

It's not as if they haven't, many times.

Our entire government structure is BASED In biblical principle.

It's been corrupted.



Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by MnSpring on 04/10/18 at 08:45:40


514F40414C514A57250 wrote:
Some people need to learn the definition of "never".

Interesting, the word, “Never”.
Would mean, in the context of these posts,
   (Especially post # 55, to which you responded to)
In your world, that you will NOT,
answer anything which the answer,
would counteract a,
Ultra-Progressive, ANTIFA  Ideals  Supporting, Fairy Dust Sprinkling POV.

Yet the world, ’Never’, does not mean,
  (In your world),  you cannot:
Correct grammar/spelling/punctuation.
  Call Names.
    Tell Lies & make thing up.

(Ya know,  just as a note;
       Never have I caught TWO  Fish,
         SO  Fast, On a Single Hook)  



Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by T And T Garage on 04/10/18 at 09:06:58

;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/10/18 at 09:21:08

(Ya know,  just as a note;
      Never have I caught TWO  Fish,
        SO  Fast, On a Single Hook)  


Well perhaps, but I testify as fact, NEVER to be proved wrong....
That I have caught the same fish, twice, on the same baited hook, moments after releasing it from its stupidity, from its first mistake.

Which, if analyzed intellectually on factual evidence of eye witness, NEVER on theoretical belief(s) that it was tricked, no.....

But willingly decided, on whatever form of stimuli resides in its cranium, that another chance to bite a readily available source of necessity it needs to survive, as opposed to putting forth the effort to seek its own natural source of substance and assuring its own welfare, and destiny, accordingly, naturally......

It opted for the option of laziness, which results in stupidity......  

NEVER learning.

The only cure is for more fishing regulations, as in laws, imposed of anglers who are lawfully trying to catch their dinner....
A tradition that dates back to the beginning of time, and the original source of lying.....
When he ( the angler) was queried, "How big was it?"

So, we must pass a law, hooks CAN NOT be of the type, that if used correctly, as designed, as intended, lawfully for generations.....
That it won't, as in NEVER, hold on to a stupid fish that bites it, but releases the bait, freely..... into its mouth, letting it swim away, stupidly.....


Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/10/18 at 09:24:36

Our entire government structure is BASED In biblical principle.

Much psychological study and results parallel the teachings of the bible.
You know which is older?

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by T And T Garage on 04/10/18 at 09:26:44


74677F62677161060 wrote:
(Ya know,  just as a note;
      Never have I caught TWO  Fish,
        SO  Fast, On a Single Hook)  


Well perhaps, but I testify as fact, NEVER to be proved wrong....
That I have caught the same fish, twice, on the same baited hook, moments after releasing it from its stupidity, from its first mistake.

Which, if analyzed intellectually on factual evidence of eye witness, NEVER on theoretical belief(s) that it was tricked, no.....

But willingly decided, on whatever form of stimuli resides in its cranium, that another chance to bite a readily available source of necessity it needs to survive, as opposed to putting forth the effort to seek its own natural source of substance and assuring its own welfare, and destiny, accordingly, naturally......

It opted for the option of laziness, which results in stupidity......  

NEVER learning.

The only cure is for more fishing regulations, as in laws, imposed of anglers who are lawfully trying to catch their dinner....
A tradition that dates back to the beginning of time, and the original source of lying.....
When he ( the angler) was queried, "How big was it?"

So, we must pass a law, hooks CAN NOT be of the type, that if used correctly, as designed, as intended, lawfully for generations.....
That it won't, as in NEVER, hold on to a stupid fish that bites it, but releases the bait, freely..... into its mouth, letting it swim away, stupidly.....


I challenge anyone to make sense of what you just posted...   ;D ;D ;D ;D


And... even though I know you won't answer, I'll ask again:

You're cool with a Sikh referring to his/her religion in making decisions in government as your representative? - got it!

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by T And T Garage on 04/10/18 at 09:28:51


4E5D45585D4B5B3C0 wrote:
Our entire government structure is BASED In biblical principle.

Much psychological study and results parallel the teachings of the bible.
You know which is older?


Compassion and caring for people have existed long before the Bible.

The Bible is a book...

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/10/18 at 09:35:58

None of that makes it any less true that
The founding fathers were largely Christian
Or
That they used the bible in the design of our government

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/10/18 at 09:39:57


283639383528332E5C0 wrote:
[quote author=74677F62677161060 link=1523166670/60#62 date=1523377268](Ya know,  just as a note;
      Never have I caught TWO  Fish,
        SO  Fast, On a Single Hook)  


Well perhaps, but I testify as fact, NEVER to be proved wrong....
That I have caught the same fish, twice, on the same baited hook, moments after releasing it from its stupidity, from its first mistake.

Which, if analyzed intellectually on factual evidence of eye witness, NEVER on theoretical belief(s) that it was tricked, no.....

But willingly decided, on whatever form of stimuli resides in its cranium, that another chance to bite a readily available source of necessity it needs to survive, as opposed to putting forth the effort to seek its own natural source of substance and assuring its own welfare, and destiny, accordingly, naturally......

It opted for the option of laziness, which results in stupidity......  

NEVER learning.

The only cure is for more fishing regulations, as in laws, imposed of anglers who are lawfully trying to catch their dinner....
A tradition that dates back to the beginning of time, and the original source of lying.....
When he ( the angler) was queried, "How big was it?"

So, we must pass a law, hooks CAN NOT be of the type, that if used correctly, as designed, as intended, lawfully for generations.....
That it won't, as in NEVER, hold on to a stupid fish that bites it, but releases the bait, freely..... into its mouth, letting it swim away, stupidly.....


I challenge anyone to make sense of what you just posted...   ;D ;D ;D ;D


And... even though I know you won't answer, I'll ask again:

You're cool with a Sikh referring to his/her religion in making decisions in government as your representative? - got it![/quote]

If you KNOW this, then why ask?
That is a conflicting statement.

You are a waste of my time, understand that, it just that simple....
Don't bite my hook again as I continue to enjoy fishing for species that give me a challenge.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by MnSpring on 04/10/18 at 10:22:51


3D232C2D203D263B490 wrote:
  I challenge anyone to make sense of what you just posted.. (As in post 62)
And... even though I know you won't answer, I'll ask again:
You're cool with a Sikh referring to his/her religion in making decisions in government as your representative? - got it!

 
"... make sense of what you just posted... "
I believe, Just about, EVERYONE  here, Got It !

"...  I know you won't answer, I'll ask again ..."
Which Interruption of the word, ’won’t’,  will you use ?

You're cool with a Sikh referring to his/her religion in making decisions in government as your representative? - got it!
 
 Sikhism  which is basically a form of Hinduism.
Has, Good people and Bad People,
 Just  LIKE, Every OTHER, Religion.

It seem that, you,  ‘believe’,
that ONLY, a person, who,
‘Does not Believe’,
  Is a good person.  
(as you and another have been saying)
Not the, FACT,
 that ALL  People that follow Religion,
   or believe/follow, no Religion,
     Contain,  Good and Bad  People.


Now, before the Panties all get in a bunch.
Please say, which,  religion, 'sells', their religion.
and which religion, 'KILLS', you if you don't believe it?


And don't spout off totally IRRELEVANT parts,
what was said 500 / 1,000 / 2,000  + Years ago.

Which, Religion, has been, Recorded, Videoed, Saying,
 TODAY,  (Last 20 years)
they will KILL, if you do not 'believe' the  SAME  thing.

So now, answer,   do you think,
their are, 'Good' Muslims, and 'Bad', Muslims ?
And which ones, were riding inside the Trojan horse ?

Remember, J.F.K. ?
(that's right, your not old enough, and you don't READ  HISTORY)
Anyway, he was, Catholic. And if he was elected,
the World would Crumble.
 (According to the Chicken Little's of the time)


Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by Serowbot on 04/10/18 at 10:42:08

interpretation?... :-/

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by raydawg on 04/10/18 at 10:54:41


2335223F27323F24500 wrote:
interpretation?... :-/


He is saying if Mitt Romney had won instead of Obama......
We would all now have many wives, and would not need to kill other folks, to get them, like some religions do....
Because if you are elected president you get to do whatever you want, based on your religious beliefs.

That help?

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by T And T Garage on 04/10/18 at 11:01:47


27342C31342232550 wrote:
If you KNOW this, then why ask?  I give every sucker an even break!
That is a conflicting statement.

You are a waste of my time, understand that, it just that simple....
Don't bite my hook again as I continue to enjoy fishing for species that give me a challenge.


So, you refuse to answer the question?

LOL - no surprise.

Take your balls and go home ray.

Title: Re: Think about this.....
Post by MnSpring on 04/10/18 at 11:04:55


6C7A6D70687D706B1F0 wrote:
interpretation?... :-/

Thanks,  
 Yep, the good ‘ol Spell check struck again.
 
Now, Any thoughts on the Rest of the Post ?
Or is your post, JUST  to point out a word ?

Seem to remember, a post saying:
((when lawyers have layers it’s funny))
Where I believe everyone,
understood the word, ‘Layers’, to be, ‘Lawyers’.

Don’t recall you making a post on that !
  Did you miss that post ?
Well in case you did,
here it is:
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1523309673


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