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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/18 at 17:44:02

Title: Tell me it's not true..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/18 at 17:44:02

https://pjmedia.com/parenting/parents-stage-walk-planned-parenthoods-graphic-violent-sex-ed-public-schools/

If someone is Teaching this stuff, our society is in deep trouble.

Okay, try This one

https://pjmedia.com/parenting/parents-stage-walk-planned-parenthoods-graphic-violent-sex-ed-public-schools/

Title: Re: Tell me it's not true..
Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 04/03/18 at 17:51:41

4F5056514C4B7A4A7A42505C17250 wrote:

I googled it, the only places anything like this appears is on right wing websites, doesn't mean it's not happening but, I'm skeptical of how bad it actually is.

You do have a knack for finding the most echo-ey of echo chambers don't you?

Title: Re: Tell me it's not true..
Post by Eegore on 04/03/18 at 20:23:48

This statement is literally in every Planned Parenthood documentation regarding Sex-Ed

"•Sexual Behavior (including abstinence and sexuality throughout life)"

The PJ article states it has been removed. If so it happened in the past week or so.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/for-educators/what-sex-education

https://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/issues/sex-education

http://getrealeducation.org/

Actual studies conducted by third parties (not Planned Parenthood) and published in medical journals show a reduction in teenage sexual activity over the past 4 years, specifically ones in Comprehensive Sex Ed. Exact percentages can be found in 9 of the 12 studies I know of.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/josh.12199

https://www.wcwonline.org/Active-Projects/measuring-the-impact-of-a-middle-school-comprehensive-sex-education-curriculum

More information with actual references:

http://www.siecus.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Page.ViewPage&PageID=1193

My experience has been if a program isn't only about abstinence then parents think its porn. I think the real problem is that teachers get a crash-course and run a class that should be taught by professionals in the field.

Title: Re: Tell me it's not true..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/18 at 23:13:25

Professionals in the
Field?
I met one of those,,
I didn't learn a lot, but I did confirm some things I'd been thinking.

Title: Re: Tell me it's not true..
Post by Eegore on 04/04/18 at 07:33:03

There are people who are trained, as a profession, to educate health and human safety. My experience is that they do a better job than say a gym teacher, or an assistant principle.

Also credentialed medical providers would be in my opinion a professional in our bodies physiological responses to sexual disease. This could be a valuable resource.

What I find interesting along these lines is how much effort the Catholic Diocese and at least where I live Christian councils put into stopping HPV vaccinations (it prevents around %70 of cervical cancer according to multiple medical studies and clinical result surveys nationwide) because the risk of contracting HPV supposedly makes girls wait until marriage to have sex.

Title: Re: Tell me it's not true..
Post by MnSpring on 04/04/18 at 08:53:46

7D5D5F574A5D380 wrote:

There are people who are trained, as a profession, to educate health and human safety. My experience is that they do a better job than say a gym teacher, or an assistant principle. ..."

Their are people, who are, NOT, ‘Professionally Trained”, in a subject, that know Much More, than the, ’Trained’ people, about that subject. And their are, ’Not Trained’ people that can impart that information, Much Clearer, than, ’Trained’, people.

As to a example: A Person, ’Trained’ in delivery of a subject. vs, a Person, “Not Trained’, in a delivery of same subject.

Don’t have the proper funding to find out the %’s, yet I Believe, that, it could be very close to 50-50. Due to, "Observed Reality”.

Title: Re: Tell me it's not true..
Post by Eegore on 04/04/18 at 12:16:44

I agree. The potential to educate the program could be 50 - 50 efficiency of educators but there are barriers such as the limited number of people "that know Much More" that can legally teach in public schools.

This is why I used the verbiage "crash course" thus intending to convey that perhaps the individuals teaching the class aren't knowledgeable due to lack of exposure. Lack of exposure to content results directly in lack of knowledge.

As I stated before I believe the real problem is the delivery. As in the method and personalities used to impart the information to students. The PJ article complains about program content and about the poor delivery of the information.

With extensive multi-year studies done by multiple third party analyst groups showing a consistent positive outcome I would say that the education technique is more to blame than the content of the program itself. This is in relation specifically to the PJ article and the Planned Parenthood program being taught and does not consider other sex-ed programs, studies, professions or extenuating circumstances that are outside of the published PJ article.

Title: Re: Tell me it's not true..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/04/18 at 15:58:56

I don't see Anything that verifies the complaint against the content.
I have No Problem with exposing people to
Age Appropriate information.
If a kid can't get in a Movie because of sexual content, why is it okay to teach them about the very behavior they can't even see?
I'm Fine with teaching boys why their voice changes and girls should certainly not be surprised one day by what their body does.
But, I'm confused...
Why can't mom just explain it before it happens?
How many girls would be embarrassed and confused and probably scared out of their minds when they have their first period?
I'm not sure about the programs, but I do see teen pregnancy down.
It's not necessarily the programs, but it's likely to be their credit.

I'm not okay with teaching about anal, or bondage or anything like that.

Title: Re: Tell me it's not true..
Post by Eegore on 04/04/18 at 16:44:58

"Why can't mom just explain it before it happens?"

They don't always do it, there is an expectation that the school do it in many cases. Also the average child starts sexual experimentation on their own in the US around age 11 according to multiple medical and sociological studies.

Porn is found on elementary age children's cell phones regularly.

The average parent thinks their kid is 13 or 14 before they become sexual, which is two years too late.

As for anal sex it is commonplace for youth to consider it a viable replacement to birth-control as it has become more normalized in pop-culture and modern media, here is a good example:

https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5489/rise-in-anal-sex-statistics/
https://www.salon.com/2015/02/02/ass_is_the_new_pssy_why_anilingus_is_on_the_rise_partner/

So should we ignore anal sex in a sex-ed class even though anonymous surveys among high school students indicate that it is happening more often?

I witnessed an increase in anal fissures related to sexual activity in minors during the 13 years I worked in a medical center. Not one of the underage patients knew that could happen, and many of their parents on the rare occasion one was involved, knew either. So how do we address the spread of sexual disease among high-schoolers having anal sex if we remove the information from their education?

Title: Re: Tell me it's not true..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/04/18 at 18:16:18

Gimme a minnitt!
Gotta get my Duct Tape helmet on..

Geeze Louise!
I have to go with you on this. I had no freaking I screaming DEA ...

Yeah, okay,, I don't LIKE it,
Butt, information beats ignorance every time.

Is there a way for me to see what they actually teach?
I guess what I'm asking for is
Are they promoting behaviors or just explaining what the possible consequences for those behaviors are?

Title: Re: Tell me it's not true..
Post by Eegore on 04/04/18 at 19:39:35

Well the term "Comprehensive" Sex-Ed class isn't proprietary to Planned Parenthood, there's a number of them out there.

Planned Parenthood has an outline here:

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/for-educators/what-sex-education

The goals page follows if you read to the bottom theres a next page that takes you there.

Having the information is good, but the teacher that says in a co-ed class: "If you go down on a girl and it looks like cauliflower down there you need to get out" is providing the information, but in a way that's not exactly productive.

As with any program the process of how its distributed is a large part of its success, and failure. I imagine the newer approach to sex-ed is the same.

This is another good resource for data.

https://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/data/profiles/pdf/2014/2014_profiles_report.pdf

Title: Re: Tell me it's not true..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/04/18 at 19:53:44

Thanks for the information. You changed my mind about it.

Title: Re: Tell me it's not true..
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/04/18 at 19:56:24

I've never been a real fan of cauliflower, and now, well, it's not any better, no, definitely not better..