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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/18 at 15:04:57

Title: Toward safer schools and a better society.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/18 at 15:04:57

Reversing mistakes. Decisions made, policies enacted, to accomplish a STATISTICAL IMPROVEMENT.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/03/trump-administration-urged-end-obama-era-misstep-school-leniency-rules-minority-students/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/03/trump-administration-urged-end-obama-era-misstep-school-leniency-rules-minority-students/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+breitbart+%28Breitbart+News%29

Title: Re: Toward safer schools and a better society.
Post by Eegore on 04/03/18 at 20:10:26

Its a good idea but of course leave it to Breitbart to leave out the actual legislation.

Title: Re: Toward safer schools and a better society.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/03/18 at 23:15:02

As long as it gets reversed, it's a good start.

Title: Re: Toward safer schools and a better society.
Post by Eegore on 04/04/18 at 07:35:25

Agreed, but to people that actually want to go out and do something instead of talk and complain the article doesn't help much.

The actual legislation and guidance needs to be referenced when presenting a petition for removal. I have found that a lot of these articles that intentionally leave out the written legislation do so because what they are saying and what is actually law are different.

I don't think its the case here, but Breitbart is well known for not being accurate in their research, mostly because they don't do research.

Title: Re: Toward safer schools and a better society.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/04/18 at 09:33:06

Now that the few who are paying attention to the issues that matter, like, say, how it's even Possible for a student to be
Disruptive
Violent
Threatening
And remain IN SCHOOL are aware of the
Insane policy that has been used to such ill effect on our society, we stand a chance to reverse it.
Will they? I don't know the number of the bill that was so Incredibly Stupid that started this obviously ridiculous policy. I don't care about that. How Anybody could have EVER imagined that ceasing to enforce the most basic rules of decent society in Order to protect people from the legal consequences of bad behavior would Somehow be beneficial to anyone is just magnificently shocking.

These policies must be reversed.

Title: Re: Toward safer schools and a better society.
Post by Eegore on 04/04/18 at 12:23:10

I guess I don't understand how change is supposed to happen (must be reversed) if you don't even care what the policy is.

Do you mean someone else needs to change it?

Certainly Breitbart isn't concerned about reversal as absolutely no useful information for change was provided.

Title: Re: Toward safer schools and a better society.
Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 04/04/18 at 12:27:54

Sounds like the policies were an attempt to fix some systemic racial issues, but that they had some dire unintended consequences. Unfortunately that happens and seems to have had bad results but further studies should be taken instead of just taking Breitbart's word for it.

JOG, read this as I agree mostly but... we should be careful on exactly how and what is done. Also, none of these shooters have been black... so, let's be careful about what exactly we are reversing, let's make it better, but yes, policies of blanket ignorance of bad behavior aren't a good thing.

Title: Re: Toward safer schools and a better society.
Post by MnSpring on 04/04/18 at 14:59:50

436A77686077697C496A76714477716C7671050 wrote:

"... we should be careful on exactly how and what is done. ..."

So Lost, would you say that:
Black and Hispanic students
can’t be held to the same behavioral standards
as white and Asian students.

Or would you say:
Black and Hispanic students
Shood be held to the same behavioral standards
as white and Asian students.

Title: Re: Toward safer schools and a better society.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/04/18 at 15:18:54

59706D727A6D736653706C6B5E6D6B766C6B1F0 wrote:

First
It's not JUST someone saying something.
The Promise program EXISTS.

The fact that More of Certain Races were finding themselves in legal trouble
COULD have been a racially motivated thing.
But
After the attempt to make the statistics work out more evenly, by ignoring criminal behavior, the people who are not a problem are exposed to a scary environment of idiots with attitudes and a disruptive environment and the Losers who Should have experienced Real Discipline are Robbed of the opportunity to experience the discomfort that motivates CHANGE.
The immediate reaction of
It's because of race
Is OLD.
Do you think that everyone is a racist?
The TEACHERS who are by and large lefties?
Talk to teachers. If you find twenty percent who are anything even close to libertarian or conservative I'll be shocked. Well, at a private school, maybe, but the public system is full of fully indoctrinated people.
You have some exposure to the general attitude of what they are calling college students I'm sure.
Your argument is based on calling teachers, people who are Trying to do a job , helping get our youth launched, racist.
Not buying it.

Title: Re: Toward safer schools and a better society.
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/04/18 at 15:34:36

I re-read your post.I don't want to retype my whole reply, but probably should. Your points are well made and the response they deserve would be just too full of covering the shades of gray you're pointing out.
I get ya, I think.
And your point that blacks aren't in the mix of shooters is something I've considered and don't understand.
I think we can all agree that the standard of behavior is the same for everyone, or it's unjust.
Today, where the promise program is used, criminal behavior is being swept under the rug.