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Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 03/28/18 at 12:12:31

Title: Competition
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/28/18 at 12:12:31

They make steel
We make steel
They can ship it , distribute it and sell it for Much Less than our steel makers can.

Our factories are regulated so our environment doesn't kill us.
Theirs, notsomuch.

So, why not demand that Our competitors who want to import to us,
Operate under the same burdens?
Level the playing field
And
Protect the environment

Title: Re: Competition
Post by Eegore on 03/30/18 at 07:07:25

How would we enforce these demands?

Title: Re: Competition
Post by raydawg on 03/30/18 at 08:14:46

boycott

Title: Re: Competition
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/18 at 09:52:34

Wouldn't that make sense better than tariffs?
That's a beginning idea for a trade deal.
Seems like every global warming believer would jump on the bandwagon.
It would certainly be better for the environment, and level the playing field for manufacturing.

Title: Re: Competition
Post by raydawg on 03/30/18 at 10:11:06

Boycott bakers who don't wanna make your cake.

Boycott gun makers if you don't like guns.

Boycott SUV makers if you believe in GW.

Boycott a donutshop if they serve cops.

Boycott TT, if you think stupidity is transmittable.

Title: Re: Competition
Post by Eegore on 03/30/18 at 10:24:25

I think the logistics of "demand" means we need to enforce. I believe other countries environmental and labor practices would outweigh by far the trade benefits. EP teams flown out to conduct inspections, an auditing system built for them to report into. Re-funding the research teams that monitor the emissions by satellite, a restructuring of Customs into China to verify tool/instrument calibration. That's if they even agree to let us start hauling in people and equipment to enforce their business practices.

Boycott means no more trade from China. That's an astronomical impact on our economy, as well as the interconnected ones that rely on our end purchase to provide demand for their contribution.

Title: Re: Competition
Post by raydawg on 03/30/18 at 10:46:20

I agree in total.
It was our desire to export captilsm to the world, much easier than fighting wars.
The global market is real, and trade boundaries impossible to impose.

Let’s look at how it works, marketing.
Marijuana use to be illegal, a controlled substance, against the law.
But through promotion and marketing, it is fast becoming a legal trade commodity.
Those who stand to profit off of it are winning the war of marketing.

That is capitalism 101.

Lots of money and energy went into trying to enforce the old rules.
That paid no dividends, only a liability and capital drain.

Such will be the wars waged on the global stage too.

He who with the best value product and demand, wins.

Be it pot, guns, or speedos....( almost summer, use SUNSCREEN)

Title: Re: Competition
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/18 at 10:49:23

He who with the best value product and demand, wins.

Easy to outperform the competition when one of them is regulated to safeguard the environment and the other isn't.

Title: Re: Competition
Post by Eegore on 03/30/18 at 11:10:55

Agreed.

So if we demand that other countries meet our EPA standards how do we enforce it?

Or do we just shut off trade with most the outside world and try to deal with those consequences? If we go that route how do we get people to vote it in?

Title: Re: Competition
Post by MnSpring on 03/30/18 at 12:12:34

3E2D35282D3B2B4C0 wrote:

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Boycott TT, if you think stupidity is transmittable.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Thanks, great Laugh of the Day !!!!!

Title: Re: Competition
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/30/18 at 13:37:42

0C2C2E263B2C490 wrote:

Instead of countries signing empty agreements to calm the warmlarmists, let's see meetings and agreements like this.
Cooperation, try that.
Just like anything else, if the jury of your peers, I.E., the global community, sees YOU taking a dump on the World, while others are operating a clean system,you're gonna have to deal with that.

Title: Re: Competition
Post by raydawg on 03/30/18 at 14:40:33

No Jog, if you believe in GW, you do NOT purchase any products that do NOT conform to green production, etc.

Al Gore should be flying commercial, not his own Polluting Gulfstream, etc...

You want to raise the poverty level
Around the world, make sure the product you buy provides a livable wage to the workers, etc...

Laws are not needed if folks would do their part, and that includes gun laws!

Title: Re: Competition
Post by MnSpring on 03/30/18 at 15:42:37

You need a new set of hand tools .
Your list is complete.
$300.00 for quality, Made in the USA
or $60.00 for cheep junk, sold at a mart-mart.

Seems the MAGA hat wearing people,
Spend the 300.00. One Time in 20 years.
Where the, Unicorn believers,
spend 60.00, then spend 15.00 a year,
for the next 20 years, to buy again what broke.

And say to the 300.00 buyer:
‘You must be, ‘Bat $hit Crazy”

Title: Re: Competition
Post by Trippah on 04/01/18 at 15:15:21

Seems the MAGA people buy the $300.00 tools? AWhere did you pull that statistic from?? I'm thinking a dark place in the hiniezone??
I agree and always try to buy a good, if not the best, tool.

It would make an interesting study, but I suspect Amazon won't release their data. Too bad, it would be illuminating Sears vs Harbor Freight??

The only folks we have a legal power over are our own, therefore the only thing we could force is our own businesses buy all/only American. Of course they might not be "competitive" in the international market.
Or tariffs, where we force the Americans to pay more for a product of foreign manufacture or buy a now more competitive US product.

Title: Re: Competition
Post by Serowbot on 04/01/18 at 17:00:21

Jesus says,.. "Buy American"... ;D

Title: Re: Competition
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/01/18 at 18:51:22

How telling.
Rather than call it a good idea, pretend that because you don't see how to make people do WHAT WE DO, and don't remember Trade Agreements, and don't remember TREATIES, and don't remember the pressure that the warmlarmists can bring on people
And ALSO don't remember what the final stage of
Negotiation is,
Tariffs..

But
Common sense
But
Precedent
But
Thinking for yourself
Original thought

Title: Re: Competition
Post by raydawg on 04/01/18 at 20:01:45

Jog, what do you expect when you have no intellectual capacity?

Why do you think liberals label, and lump, to deflect, instead of debating ideas on merit?

Remember trying to reason with a two year old?

You can't.

Title: Re: Competition
Post by Eegore on 04/02/18 at 05:41:58

I still don't think its enforceable.

Look at China's trade history in modern times. Do you really think they will allow more US inspections on their territory, and has anyone calculated the estimated costs of enforcing US EPA standards of China's steel production techniques? Who pays for that?

What you are recommending is boycott, which will cripple the US economy, or sanctions essentially. We have all seen what economic sanctions get us, and China has an economic advantage.

Title: Re: Competition
Post by raydawg on 04/02/18 at 08:16:49

6D4D4F475A4D280 wrote:

So, you are saying the world has a unfair advantage over us because of the restrictions of our environmental concerns?

But isn't that what the United Nations, and other global committees, mostly funded by the USA, are tasked with ensuring fairness, and adherence, etc?

Title: Re: Competition
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/18 at 08:27:01

Is it a good idea?
You don't THINK it's enforceable
But the Paris accord is?
TREATIES are .

Title: Re: Competition
Post by raydawg on 04/02/18 at 08:43:29

524D4B4C51566757675F4D410A380 wrote:

Is it a good idea?
You don't THINK it's enforceable
But the Paris accord is?
TREATIES are .

Sorta like going to Berkeley, to learn about tolerance, huh?

Title: Re: Competition
Post by MnSpring on 04/02/18 at 08:53:08

6F49524B4B5A533B0 wrote:

Seems the MAGA people buy the $300.00 tools?

Could be like: “ Seems that the Rainbow Pride people don’t like a new Gun”
Or: “ Seems like the Gun Club people, don’t like a new Purple Thong, with orange dots."
Or: “Seems like people that proudly wear clothing which says, “Make America Great Again”,
would most probably buy made in the USA”

Title: Re: Competition
Post by MnSpring on 04/02/18 at 08:55:32

7F697E637B6E63780C0 wrote:

Jesus says,.. "Buy American"... ;D

Really, Didn’t know that.
Do you have a, ‘link’, where that was said?
(Perhaps it was a A.F. Inspired, British TV Comedian)

Or is that like a statement, a recent poster here said:
“… AWhere did you pull that statistic from?? I’m thinking a dark place in the hiniezone?? …”

Title: Re: Competition
Post by raydawg on 04/02/18 at 09:40:13

I heard Teddy Kennedy, the pillar of liberalism was very religious....

He took MaryJo down to the creek to baptize, messed up a wee bit, and yelled.....OH MY GOD

Title: Re: Competition
Post by Trippah on 04/02/18 at 09:41:58

Yes, sorry about that. Just had the grandchildren for several days and they are at that age where butt jokes etc are in great use. ;D ;D ;D
So I went for a slight variation. ::)

The US wont even require even competition between the states, with the move South of the automobile industry as a good example.

Title: Re: Competition
Post by raydawg on 04/02/18 at 10:02:10

72544F5656474E260 wrote:

Wouldn't the truest form of capitalism be unfettered regulations?

Let the consumer decide.

Yes, sadly, as evidenced around here, some still need their mommies.
You call them a certain name, they whine.

Maybe we just all outta get dumb, and stupid, and call it a wrap! ;D

Title: Re: Competition
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/18 at 10:10:43

We've seen what Corporations do.
Was it Love Canal?
Remember the smog days?

Getting the rest of the world on board with the smokestack scrubbers and other
Clean Manufacturing processes that OUR manufacturers are required to operate under would
Level the playing field economically
So
No tariffs needed

Yeah, I'll spell it out
Because
Nuance

And
That would accomplish a tremendous environmental protection step.

Why aren't our GENIUSES in D.C. TRYING to accomplish this?