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Title: How does this petcock come apart? Post by AustinEire on 03/01/18 at 10:41:08 I hit the starter and got nothing. I looked at the inline fuel filter and saw nothing. I tried to switch the petcock from Res to Run and I changes nothing. It was frozen solid. I removed the diaphram screws and the lever retention clip and pulled them off. A black ooze of something that may once have been gasoline (15 years ago, when the bike was wrecked then parked with an almost full tank) came out. I still could not move the white plate that the lever is supposed to turn. I have it soaking in Yamabond carb cleaner now (safe for rubber parts). My question - how does this white plastic plate come out of the petcock? I will need to remove it to get the residual gasoline glue out, but I don't want to force it. Thanks. Patrick |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by norm92de on 03/01/18 at 10:46:34 The best solution is to put a raptor petcock on it and save yourself a lot of trouble. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/01/18 at 10:52:40 If it sat that long you better inspect the tank and oil the cylinder. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by AustinEire on 03/01/18 at 11:02:35 The tank was a two-day project already. If you haven't seen a full tank of gas reduced to thick black goo you haven't lived. I haven't figured out yet how I missed the petcock. I usually check them first. The bike at least was stored indoors, so the engine didn't freeze or even get reluctant. I was very pleased at its condition. I have started bikes that sat much longer than this one did. I probably won't give this petcock more than today. An aftermarket replacement is only about $10. Has anyone tried one of the cheap aftermarket petcocks? I usually avoid cheap aftermarket parts, but a petcock is just a valve. There is no adjustment. If it doesn't leak, it either works or doesn't. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by tom3215 on 03/01/18 at 11:30:23 I got the rapter petcock from ebay, non Chinese, Yamaha part number and Yamaha petcock for $15 and bought a few screw and washer, so all in I was about $24 with shipping. This should last the life of the bike. Like my wife always tells me, "we are not rich enough to buy twice" ;) Best wishes Tom3215 ;) |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by AustinEire on 03/01/18 at 11:40:23 Do you have a link for that one, Tom? "Raptor petcock" gets more than 500 results on Ebay. Several models of petcock, too. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by verslagen1 on 03/01/18 at 11:52:01 The tuff part about chineese and fleabay copies is getting the right one. Most of the time you're going to get one with undersized fitting so you can't use the ~5/16" line and will use 1/4" line. Which is prone to vapor lock. For that reason we can't recommend the copies. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by batman on 03/01/18 at 12:04:23 And it's best not to use an inline filter, they can be come air bound or hold water,slowing or stopping fuel flow. the bike has two filters already, the petcock screen and a small screen just above the float valve seat in the carb ,you should check that one also if the bike sat with fuel that long. the petcock comes apart from the front ,the metal piece that labels the position can be gently pried out on both sides . |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by AustinEire on 03/01/18 at 12:06:30 5/16ths line? Wow, I didn't notice that. I replaced it with 1/4. Guess I need to go back to the original. That's surprising to me. All four carbs on my Yamaha XS1100 are fed by a 1/4-inch line and all four carbs on my Honda CB750s use even thinner, 5.5 mm line. Why does a single carb need such high fuel flow? I'll need a different inline filter too. Where do you find a small inline filter that will support that level of flow? Garden hose supply? I am really glad I found this forum. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by Dave on 03/01/18 at 12:07:31 If you don't see the Yamaha brand name and the white box....it is most likely a cheap Chinese copy. https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-YAMAHA-RAPTOR-660-YFM-660R-OEM-FUEL-VALVE-SHUTOFF-PETCOCK-5LP-24500-01-00/273090604917?fits=Model%3ARaptor+660R&epid=1023314198&hash=item3f9577ef75:g:DLkAAOSwmfhX4r09&vxp=mtr |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/01/18 at 12:14:24 All four carbs on my Yamaha XS1100 are fed by a 1/4-inch line and all four carbs on my Honda CB750s use even thinner, 5.5 mm line. Why does a single carb need such high fuel flow? Because your 1100 has four 275 c.f. cylinders, and the savage has one Six Hunnert and Fifty Tew CC cylinder. Don't save money on your Petcock, get the Genuine article. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by AustinEire on 03/01/18 at 12:16:40 I got most of the petcock apart, Batman. I just can't figure out if the white plastic selector plate pushes out from the back. Since it is frozen with old fuel, I can't wiggle it to see if that is possible. The petcock I have looks rebuildable. The rubber parts are in good condition. If the Yamabond loosens that plastic plate so it turns I'll put this one back together and use it. The parts on this bike were essentially new when the bike was parked. It only had 1,200 original miles when it crashed. Everything alse was rebuildable/reusable (except the front end), until I hit the petcock. I haven't given up on it, but if replacements are cheap my level of effort becomes a bit less focused. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by batman on 03/01/18 at 20:51:03 The stock petcock could die from old age (not wear) inspect the vacuum diaphragm for pin holes ,cracks and flexibility. the raptor petcock costs only about $30.00 ,the stock petcock about 3 times that ,and even a new stock one is doomed to fail, and yes I believe the plastic plug (it's not a plate ,it's more like a tapered bung ) should come out the front. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by Dave on 03/02/18 at 03:14:21 As others have mentioned, in inline filter can be a big problem - especially if you buy a Chinese copy with the small outlet. If you need to use a 1/4" fuel hose on the petcock....then you install a 1/4" plastic inline fuel filter - the fittings on the filter are made of thick plastic and the inlet/outlet hole are tiny. The 1/4" fuel line and filter can likely flow enough fuel for the Savage - but what happens is that when you turn on the petcock and the fuel flows down while the air is trying to come out of the filter......and air bubble can get trapped in the small filter openings and cause an "air lock" that prevents the fuel from flowing through the filter. The petcock has filters on the inlet tubes.....the carb has a filter just above the needle/seat - you really don't need an additional filter inline. (Provided you have done a good job cleaning out your tank). The stock petcock can be a problem - the ethanol fuel either causes the diaphragm to deteriorate and get leaky (which causes too much fuel in the engine and can also flood the crankcase and/or airbox with fuel) - or the diaphragm can get stiff and the petcock doesn't work properly. When the diaphragm gets stiff the fuel flow becomes intermittent and the flow stops when the engine is under load and has low engine vacuum - so the bike can run well until you get up to highway speeds - folks misinterpret the symptoms and start looking everywhere but the petcock. These folks have given you very good advice that comes from years of combined Savage experience - you really should choose to trust them and not use the stock petcock (especially with the original rubber parts). And if/when you buy a replacement petcock - you should spend $30 and get a genuine Yamaha Raptor petcock. It is not always "Our way of the Highway" - but it can be "Our way or a long walk Home" |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by Papa Bear on 03/02/18 at 05:25:42 Yamaha Raptor 660 gas shut-off part # 5LP-24500-01-00 |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by IslandRoad on 03/02/18 at 18:33:21 Forgive me for being pedantic [ch128526]. The stock fuel line is actually 7mm not 5/16. Here in Australia, where we went metric a long time ago, we can't get 7mm fuel line. Generic fuel line here is either 6mm or 8mm. I went to a dealer to get a replacement piece of fuel line ... $65 !!! I said "I don't want the whole roll". The guy didn't laugh! It seems 5/16 Is the nearest approximation. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/02/18 at 18:41:07 SIXTY. FIVE. DOLLARS. ?... CheeseAndRice.. 5/16[ch8243] to mm = 7.9375 millimeters 5/16 inch to mm = 7.9375 millimeters Some tiny tie wraps might be in order. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by Dave on 03/03/18 at 03:01:59 The only way I can buy actual 7mm fuel line is to go to a well stocked dealer that has a roll of it and cuts off what you need - or I can order it from an online store while I am ordering other parts as it is too expensive to ship a piece of tubing alone. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/03/18 at 03:58:02 A short piece of tubing goes in the mail. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by Dave on 03/03/18 at 08:04:42 726D6B6C71764777477F6D612A180 wrote:
Yes....but the online folks will charge you $12 for the work to put that $3 piece of tubing in the mail. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by verslagen1 on 03/03/18 at 08:37:15 can be found fairly cheap on fleabay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/5-16-8mm-5-Feet-Red-Vacuum-Fuel-Air-Silicone-Hose-Pipe-Tube-Turbo-Universal/162701755438?hash=item25e1c7c42e:g:Y5MAAOSw7khZ-u4-&vxp=mtr |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by eau de sauvage on 03/06/18 at 01:42:56 5268777A757F49747A7F1B0 wrote:
OEM fuel lines for my GS500 was $150 |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by batman on 03/06/18 at 10:23:38 stock fuel line -RON AYERS- Hose,fuel (L:300->140) 44421-12FRO-$7.20 |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by eau de sauvage on 03/06/18 at 14:13:27 What about melted o rings in the carburettor? I had that problem with my bmw 650LS that got stolen with 250kms on the clock and found by the side of a road 10 years later with 278kms on the clock. New battery and cleaned up the completely melted carburettor internals and it fired first go. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by batman on 03/06/18 at 17:04:34 Sorry ,but what did you think you'd find, after setting in old gas ,and outside for ten years. |
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by eau de sauvage on 03/06/18 at 19:04:12 It was garaged the whole time on its side stand. Whoever stole it decided to return it by dumping it on the side of the road, the police then found it and tracked me down. I was in a different state at the time. It was in mint condition apart from the obvious. The point though of the story was that no one has suggested that the carb o rings may be a bit dodgy in the OP's bike. 696A7F666A653F330B0 wrote:
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Title: Re: How does this petcock come apart? Post by batman on 03/07/18 at 09:45:00 EDS I didn't make the connection ,AustinEire hasn't gotten past the petcock /inline filter, problem yet, so I guess the carb will be coming up later. |
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