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Title: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 02/20/18 at 13:31:20 This guy is a trip! Yeah, the lefties are using these kids as puppets... <<<sarcasm GP is becoming even more of a joke than it was before. http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/pro-trump-journalist-defends-hit-piece-florida-shooting-202737427.html |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/18 at 15:13:40 You're saying that the F.B.I doesn't own this mess? They do. And that kid knows squat. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by oldNslow on 02/20/18 at 16:37:57 Just because the GP reporter is an as*hat, which he undoubtedly is, doesn't automatically mean that his assertion that the kid is being used is incorrect. Even sincere people can be manipulated. This boy is a victim too. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 02/20/18 at 19:14:17 744A4B47554948260 wrote:
Yes, he is - but not from the forces you say. He and his classmates - and pretty much every kid in that high school are far more mature than our president or some a$$hat from GP. How old were the activists way back in your day, hmm? Kids now are far more "smart" than we were at their age. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/18 at 19:37:33 The FBI was WARNED about this guy. Twice |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by oldNslow on 02/20/18 at 19:39:25 Quote:
The activists from "back in my day" are now running our colleges and universities. They are educating the educators that educate the kids that are this boys age. That's a part of the problem. As soon as the boy we are talking about is discredited, embarasses himself or his minders, or is simply no longer deemed to be of any use, he will find himself standing in his parents' driveway, all by himself, wondering WTF just happened, and where did everybody go? Remember "Clock-Boy" from a few years ago? Seen him around lately? |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/20/18 at 19:41:09 He had his fifteen digital minutes of fame. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 02/21/18 at 06:10:40 0B3534382A3637590 wrote:
You still don't get it, even though you just said it.... wow. These kids you think have no independent thought are the very ones who DO and will be running the show. But let me understand this right... you're taking the word of some moron on a website, right? Why? How is it you're so quick to believe him rather than a kid who saw his friends get shot? Yeah, let's talk about critical thinking.... Hey ray - old might need some of your "sage advice". ;D |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 02/21/18 at 08:42:59 Well, I guess the lawmakers in Florida are on to the fake news: http://www.yahoo.com/gma/florida-lawmaker-fires-aide-allegedly-called-mass-shooting-101803860--abc-news-topstories.html Good for them. Seems someone is thinking for themselves. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/18 at 09:17:36 Making such a claim without evidence that supports it is a screwup. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by MnSpring on 02/21/18 at 11:03:56 6A747B7A776A716C1E0 wrote:
Would that be the same, as a he/she, posting a, COMEDIAN SKIT ? Or a very well known, one sided, ’news’, site ? Or a site which a person, is Just STUFFING his Pockets with YOUR Money, just because he has you buffaloed ? And telling everybody, that is, THE, POV, they are ALL, suppose, to believe? |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 02/21/18 at 11:10:42 Cuckoo for Cocoa Pops.... some folks on here need to seek professional help. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by oldNslow on 02/21/18 at 11:35:34 Quote:
TT, You are ascribing to me things that I did not say: My original post: "Just because the GP reporter is an as*hat, which he undoubtedly is, doesn't automatically mean that his assertion that the kid is being used is incorrect. Even sincere people can be manipulated. This boy is a victim too." You are conflating things that other people have said with what I said. If you want to debate with me, please don't do that. This boy is being used. Sooner or later that will become obvious. I understand that that doesn't comport with what you want to believe but it's still the case. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 02/21/18 at 11:56:43 56686965776B6A040 wrote:
Very well old. You're correct, you did not say those words verbatim. However, you take the same stance as the reporter, with no consideration to the actual victims' classmate. Why? "This boy is being used. Sooner or later that will become obvious." And you tell me that it doesn't comport with my views? How can you not see the hypocrisy in your own statement? Do you have a crystal ball??? I merely give the student the benefit of the doubt and try and put myself in his place. How do you know he's being used? Nearly every account of what you assert has been disproven. In my opinion, it's a ploy by the right to take the focus off the real issue - that of shootings. http://www.yahoo.com/news/crisis-actors-lie-spreads-wake-florida-shooting-170138726.html |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by oldNslow on 02/21/18 at 12:20:18 I never said anything about believing him to be an actor. I never said that I doubted his sincerity or his pain. I have no way to ascertain those things. I said that I believe he is being used and manipulated by others for their political agenda, which may or may not be his own. " How do you know he's being used? " Because I have seen how these things play out time and time again. I have no reason to believe that this case is any different. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 02/21/18 at 13:18:30 6F51505C4E52533D0 wrote:
What cases? Do you have examples? If there are, I would assume it would be a cut and dried case - Patty Hearst comes to mind, as do the heaven's gate kids. But this "child" came out the day after and started his campaign. Sorry, but the democrats aren't that good... |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 02/21/18 at 13:28:48 Alfonso Calderon, a junior at Stoneman Douglas, warned critics who have dismissed the “Never Again” campaign as a knee-jerk reaction by traumatized kids. “A lot of people think that that disqualifies us from even having an opinion on this sort of matter,” Calderon said. “It’s that because we’ve been through a traumatic experience that we don’t know what we’re talking about, that we’re speaking irrationally. I want everybody to remember, that is not the case. We, more than anybody else, understand the violence, when it comes to certain guns. We, more than anybody else, understand what it feels like to lose somebody. We, more than anybody else, know what it’s like to have a beautiful community like Parkland and have it taken away from us.” “Trust me, I understand,” Calderon continued. “I was in a closet locked for four hours with people who I would consider almost family, crying and weeping on me, begging for their lives. I understand what it’s like to text my parents, ’Goodbye. I might never, ever ever get to see you again. And I love you.’” That sounds to me like a very in-touch and intelligent young man. The democrats aren't that smart. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by verslagen1 on 02/21/18 at 14:05:16 Well written response, he should run for president. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 02/21/18 at 15:51:10 564552534C4147454E11200 wrote:
I agree. He'd do better than our current president. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/21/18 at 16:51:14 Everybody agrees it's time to address the problem. The question is how Best to do it. The Gun control crowd designed the Signs. Not working out. Good guys with guns hasn't been tried yet nationwide. It's time. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by oldNslow on 02/22/18 at 04:22:43 Some other students. They were there too. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/22/florida-shooting-survivor-cnn-gave-me-scripted-question-for-town-hall-quashed-question-on-armed-guards.html http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/20/florida-school-shooting-survivor-media-is-using-tragedy-to-push-gun-control.html Won't hear from them on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, ABS etc. Just watched the "town hall", moderated by Jake Tapper outtakes on Good Morning America., Carefully crafted gun-control talking points, and "gotcha" questions for the Republican (Rubio) and the woman representing the NRA. Nothing from anyone who might possibly have a different opinion or a new idea. Advocacy theater rather than journalism. With carefully selected kids and parents, sincere as they probably are, being used as pawns. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 02/22/18 at 05:49:39 1B2524283A2627490 wrote:
Well, specifically - 2 other students. Yes, their views should have been taken as well. However, their views in no way negate the legitimacy of the others speaking out for gun control. I also agree that the media needs to allow everyone's opinion (don't see any pro gun control stories on fox, do you?). However, the opinion of the country is overwhelmingly in favor of some kind of gun control. That's a fact. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by verslagen1 on 02/22/18 at 08:17:18 Current reporting to NICS by the states is voluntary, should be mandatory. 3 days is not enough time, should be 2 weeks. Family should be included in check. A minimum 5 years of history should be required for high powered weapons. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/22/18 at 08:35:50 687B6C6D727F797B702F1E0 wrote:
sounds reasonable. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 02/22/18 at 11:30:16 7E6D7A7B64696F6D6639080 wrote:
+1 |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/22/18 at 13:02:39 577E637C74637D685D7E6265506365786265110 wrote:
sounds reasonable. [/quote] funny how we couldn't even talk about that at all under Obama, cause any mention of that kind of reasonable restrictions were met with "he's coming for your guns" BS |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by verslagen1 on 02/22/18 at 13:30:03 775E435C54435D487D5E4245704345584245310 wrote:
There was/is still a lack of due process with many of the regulations provided by the left. LaPierre says he's brought up the Background check issues 3 years ago. https://www.yahoo.com/news/nra-wayne-lapierre-elites-don-155452736.html may not be the 1st video, but was some where in the chain of vid's |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by raydawg on 02/22/18 at 13:33:28 052C312E26312F3A0F2C30370231372A3037430 wrote:
sounds reasonable. [/quote] funny how we couldn't even talk about that at all under Obama, cause any mention of that kind of reasonable restrictions were met with "he's coming for your guns" BS[/quote] Sometimes things/ideas, just need to marinade,before they are ripe. It’s not a personality issue. Perhaps even someday we can address other issues, like separation of, not from, religion. Funny, odd, and yet sad, when we see folks exhibit and fault other for intolerance, yet justify their own. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/22/18 at 14:12:53 2E3D25383D2B3B5C0 wrote:
sounds reasonable. [/quote] funny how we couldn't even talk about that at all under Obama, cause any mention of that kind of reasonable restrictions were met with "he's coming for your guns" BS[/quote] Sometimes things/ideas, just need to marinade,before they are ripe. It’s not a personality issue. Perhaps even someday we can address other issues, like separation of, not from, religion. Funny, odd, and yet sad, when we see folks exhibit and fault other for intolerance, yet justify their own. [/quote] no, that's BS the idea of reasonable gun control has been around for decades, it's marinated enough. this is a hypocrisy problem. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/22/18 at 14:22:10 243720213E3335373C63520 wrote:
There was/is still a lack of due process with many of the regulations provided by the left. LaPierre says he's brought up the Background check issues 3 years ago. https://www.yahoo.com/news/nra-wayne-lapierre-elites-don-155452736.html may not be the 1st video, but was some where in the chain of vid's[/quote] uh huh.... you get that from your NRA newsletter? there have been a bunch of different proposals from all over the left, for DECADES, sometimes they were willing to work with the republicans and they could have added things to address your concerns of "lack of due process" and I'm not sitting through all those videos of NRA propaganda, find a proposal he drew up, present that. I googled "LaPierre says he's brought up the Background check " and a bunch of stuff came up saying that what you say can't be true. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by raydawg on 02/22/18 at 14:25:39 You can call it bs, or whatever..... I was not assigning any value to it. I guess you can argue the past, at the cost of the moment, and deny the future, of possible repair. That seems to be the way DC and politics work, but too, that seems to be the complaint, yet....... |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by verslagen1 on 02/22/18 at 15:03:16 446D706F67706E7B4E6D71764370766B7176020 wrote:
That was in yahoo news, I don't get a news letter. Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLTMkg1RLW0 |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/23/18 at 10:16:53 4B584F4E515C5A58530C3D0 wrote:
That was in yahoo news, I don't get a news letter. Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLTMkg1RLW0[/quote] first, it's not fair to make me refute a 4 minute video put together by the spin masters that are the NRA. but, I'll give it a shot, this going to be LONG one so, I hope you actually read through it, and reply to IT, instead of just going to your talking points as you usually fall back on. First, I find it highly questionable that the same organization the consistently rails against ANY regulations even delaying a purchase of ANY firearm is saying that they are for background checks. But I"ll take that with a grain of salt since that's what they are saying here, (personally I don't believe the NRA cares one way or another who sends them money, criminals or law abiding citizens, do they have background checks on their memberships??? so, now to go LINE BY LINE through this video: (the green is the video) here's what the media won't tell you the NRA has fought for 20 years to put the records of those adjudicated mentally incompetent into the National instant check system and until the politicians demand that they are submitted killers who are legally prohibited from owning firearms will walk into gun stores and pass every background check they take it's not the media's job to spin for the NRA. that's like saying the NRA hasn't told it's members that the media has donated this that and this to this charity or something. The media reports on IN THE MOMENT issues, not the agenda of an organization, sometimes commentators might mention that on a talking head show, but that up THAT INDIVIDUAL commentator, not the "media" as whole, oh, and Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and EVERY conservative websites are all part of the MEDIA also. I find it hard to buy that the NRA that has always been against any kind of "registry" to record gun buyers of any kind and this says no, they're okay with registration, of criminals, but you can't have one without the other... Also, didn't they urge voting against putting people on the NO FLY list on the background check list? saying that the no fly list is full of errors and shouldn't be used.. but why would they have any more faith in this list of criminals? the NRA has a history of sabotaging any attempt to "list" Americans like this, so when you create a culture like the NRA has, antagonizing any debate, let alone action, on gun regulations... so I'm immediately skeptical of this if they really wanted to make a difference the media would lead every newscast with a reminder that the names of millions of violent felons criminal gangbangers and adjudicated mentally incompetent and dangerous people are missing from the background check system but no one gets ratings by telling the truth again, making a difference isn't the media's job. the media's job is ratings. oh, and WE are the ratings, if we responded by watching that media more to the media nagging us about this and that, then the media would do exactly that. as an aside, hasn't Fox News raved about their ratings for the last 10 years or so.. so, yeah, not telling the truth seems like a good way to get ratings indeed. there's a bit of double speak here with the word truth being used as a transitionary word. no one gets ratings by telling the truth about how to stop mass killers so they don't report that 38 states admit less than 80% of their felony convictions to the system leaving more than 7 million felony convictions in the dark they don't tell you the truth the truth about how to stop mass killers... the hard truth is, which you all have said again and again in defense of not having gun regulations, the truth is that if someone is really deranged and really determined to kill masses of people, they'll find a way, trucks, bombs, poison, all kinds of things, so why have gun laws at all, since they don't work. <--this has been a often used line by pro-gun conservatives. so, 50-38 = 12, 12 states report 100%? is that what we are to assume? and 38 report "less than" 80% that's kinda vague... and 80% isn't that bad, I'm surprised it's that high of a number, and which states are these? could they be conservative states? idk... but since he leaves that out, I'm assuming it didn't help his anti-liberal/democrat message so I'm going to assume that they were majority conservative states that don't report 100%. they don't tell you the truth instead the only thing the average American has heard about background checks is the absolute fallacy that what we need is more the system is only as good as the records within it and the records only get submitted if the politicians demand it "the absolute fallacy that what we need is more" but.... aren't you arguing to strengthen the background check system by having a mandate that those 38 states report more?? so you don't want more... but you want more records... but not more background check systems... no redundancy... but more... "if the politicians demand it" but YOU lobby politicians, YOU'RE a lobbying group. if they aren't demanding it, maybe you're not lobbying for it, we KNOW how precious your rating is for politicians, you have massive influence, you say you've been wanting this for 20 years.. but have you been lobbying for it? or did you find it confusing to your membership that you'd be for strengthening background checks while at the same time be against them even exisiting, while you lose membership to more extreme groups what are the Oregon killer the WDBJ killer the Charleston Church killer the Santa Barbara killer the Maryland mall killer the LA Airport killer the DC Navy Yard killer the Aurora movie theater killer the Tucson killer the Virginia Tech killer and both Fort Hood killers have in common every single one of them passed a background check yes, that is a tragedy, maybe we need better background checks, which you seem to agree with right now... but in the past... I mean, pick a message if you cast a net and the fish swim through the holes you don't need a bigger net you need tighter holes but when it comes to a background check system that's missing the names of millions of prohibited people the politicians don't want to fix it yup, tighter holes, let's fix it, again though your past says you'll vote against any attempt to fix it. the best kept secret is that the Nationalistic check system wouldn't exist at all if it weren't for the NRA it's true back in the 90s President Clinton forced passage of a mandatory waiting period on every handgun purchase in America not a background check wait but NRA said as soon as the technology was available their wait had to be replaced by an instant background check So, it's your fault that the system sucks then? I imagine you determined what "technology" was acceptable or what was required to take off the mandatory waiting period? Since your so concerned with it, why did you accept such lax reporting as part of the agreement to remove the waiting period? or were you just too eager to get rid of a regulation and get more guns flowing faster? or maybe the politicians deceived you and said the system was good but it really wasn't, but why did you let that go? again, you have massive lobbying power. looks like someone is trying to have it both ways here. replaced by an instant background check done by the dealer at the point of sale NRA supported it NRA got the votes and NRA got it passed we demanded an honest system it was supposed to make sure good people can purchase firearms as quickly as possible a system that catches violent felons the adjudicated mentally incompetent and dangerous and every other prohibited person right at the oh, by the dealer... so private sales, gun shows... "NRA supported it NRA got the votes and NRA got it passed we demanded an honest system" see. you do have the power, so, why'd you get lax on getting what you want?? if you wanted a better, tighter net... you have the power to get one, and all the opportunity in the world to get it too, Lord knows there have been too many events for you to spark this debate back up and get something done... so, why didn't you get anything done? " good people can purchase firearms as quickly as possible (in) a system that catches violent felons " so, shovel the guns ASAP but catch all the bad people at the same speed... mm hmmm, that's not asking for mistakes either, again trying to have it both ways, not giving the system the time it might need to be affective. incompetent and dangerous and every other prohibited person right at the point of sale where they would be prosecuted federal felony but they aren't So you want gun dealers to also be responsible for holding and detaining those caught by the background check? would that be an expansion of the ATF? what has happened instead is one of the greatest failures in the history of American leadership in 2010 roughly 80,000 prohibited people committed a felony by trying to buy a gun just 44 were prosecuted for it does that sound like a good number to anybody so when you hear politicians who won't fix the broken system talk about expanding it don't buy it so your answer is to not have a system??? since you don't trust them to fix it? maybe that has something to do with your anti-regulation of any kind stance/image, you've rewarded a bunch of those politicians for doing nothing with an A rating... and now the pivot: demand what works put armed security in every school fix the broken mental health system enforce the federal gun laws against every criminal thug on the street prosecute dangerous people when they show up to buy a gun and for God's sake put every prohibited person into the system that's what common sense gun laws look like how do you know any of that works? we haven't really tried it. and still doesn't address things like Las Vegas or the night club.... and again, you could have fixed that if you wanted to, that would have been a small ask, and you say you've wanted it but have you really? 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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by verslagen1 on 02/23/18 at 10:56:12 577E637C74637D685D7E6265506365786265110 wrote:
Long reply, thanks for viewing the propaganda piece. I'll reply as I have time. If the media/democrats were smart, they'd use this piece to bludgeon the republicans on every issue they agree with. Adding the "no fly" list to NICS, no I don't agree with that. Same as adding all SS recipients just because they have a financial issues. Due process. No fly list picks anyone with the same name as someone with a bad history. And the TSA doesn't have the common sense to waive a toddler thru with a common name. So form a review committee and give anyone that'll be denied their rights the opportunity to refute the claim. We are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. These 2 rules assume the opposite. Why would I have more faith in NICS than No fly list? It is data from the courts, not some nameless agent with no responsibility for the errors they produce. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/23/18 at 11:03:06 302334352A2721232877460 wrote:
Long reply, thanks for viewing the propaganda piece. I'll reply as I have time. If the media/democrats were smart, they'd use this piece to bludgeon the republicans on every issue they agree with. Adding the "no fly" list to NICS, no I don't agree with that. Same as adding all SS recipients just because they have a financial issues. Due process. No fly list picks anyone with the same name as someone with a bad history. And the TSA doesn't have the common sense to waive a toddler thru with a common name. So form a review committee and give anyone that'll be denied their rights the opportunity to refute the claim. We are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. These 2 rules assume the opposite. Why would I have more faith in NICS than No fly list? It is data from the courts, not some nameless agent with no responsibility for the errors they produce.[/quote] that's fair |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by verslagen1 on 02/23/18 at 11:54:18 557C617E76617F6A5F7C60675261677A6067130 wrote:
:o the media isn't responsible for making headlines? Trumps every word and faux pas is plastered every day for the resistance to faun over and they're not responsible? Used to be they made headline news to make a difference, expose corruption and yes that sold. Imagine the smack down if the media would repeatedly used DR (the church guy) to batter those responsible for getting a weapon rather than just rail on guns in general. They have an opportunity now, violent teenager buys an AR15 and shouldn't have been allowed. But they'll rail on assault weapons and guns in general, focus! |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by verslagen1 on 02/23/18 at 13:26:02 1B322F30382F312411322E291C2F29342E295D0 wrote:
Here's the focus part... Is it true that (insert name here) FL doesn't report violent students to NICS? Why not? Does FL report all felons to NICS as a rule? WHY NOT!?! And yes a car can mow down a mass of people before they realize what's happening. So why don't you ban trucks, cars, and wheelbarrows. ::) Doesn't justify not restricting guns. That's the simple answer, if they fight you on that they're just being ridiculous. Why do they give you a vague number on reporting? Because they don't even know if it 80%, they're just hoping it's 80%. It's voluntary, probably because of all privacy rights and how they're interpreted differently. Until it's mandatory and audited, we'll never know for sure. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by MnSpring on 02/23/18 at 13:33:37 1D3429363E2937221734282F1A292F32282F5B0 wrote:
When One, HATE’S, the NRA, and all gun owners. Not going to change any minds. Just go Golfing. The anti-freedom ultra-Liberals believe, a, ’gun’, is BAD ! And someone that has a, ‘gun’, Is BAD also. Because they always say: (To exclude themselves from the, ‘Bad’, gun owners. Just before they want totally restrictive, anti-freedom, laws) “Well I have a Gun so it’s perfectly OK to ban Guns” (The blue is what LOST wrote) “…I find it hard to buy that the NRA that has always been against any kind of “registry" to record gun buyers of any kind and this says no, they’re okay with registration, of criminals, but you can't have one without the other …” Sound a lot like you are saying. I, MUST, be a, Criminal, because I have a GUN. because you can’t have one with out the other? “…Fox News raved about their ratings for the last 10 years or so.. so, yeah, not telling the truth seems like a good way to get ratings indeed. …” Just like CNN ? Mentioning only one, and crying about them, and NOT saying, FOX and CNN, BOTH, do the same things. Your opinion is a observation of, ONE view ! Which Clearly is: You have enough, ‘Guns’. You only need these kind of ‘Guns’. Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, “… the truth about how to stop mass killers… …” The part about, Enforce the firearm laws, ALREADY on the Books, means, Nothing ? “…but YOU lobby politicians, YOU’RE a lobbying group….” Let’s see, a Law was made, that, Abortion is, ‘Legal’. And the person, that wanted one, Paid for it. So, exactly WHEN, did Planned Parenthood, Get YOUR, tax dollars, to Perform Abortions ???? Ya think that had anything to do with Ultra-Liberals, ‘Lobbing’ ? “…maybe we need better background checks …” “… tighter holes, let’s fix it,…” Gee, isn’t that what the NRA is SAYING !!!!!!! Reminds me of the phrase: “Mind is made up, never mind the Facts” When you say: “…you’ll vote against any attempt to fix it….” Next is the part, you, and the other, ‘GUN’, hating people, simply REFUSE to believe. Which is the, ‘Background Check’, WAS, the NRA’s idea. Which Originally, Clinton,wanted a, ‘Waiting Period’, with NO BACKGROUND Check. Then the NRA pushed for the ‘INSTANT’ Check. When you said: “…why did you accept such lax reporting…” WHO, want’s it ‘both’ ways ????????????? (Just a note, ‘Gun shows’, which you ‘allude’ to are exempt. is that like HRC, saying: Anybody can get a gun from anywhere, just like a tea cup on fley-bay) When you say: “…not giving the system the time it might need to be affective….” I don’t know the time frame, but when was the firearm purchased, and when was the school shooting ? So exactly how much ’time’ do you, think is needed ? Now when someone can, LIE, on the 4473 Form, ( in one year, 80,000 People, LIED, and only 44 were Prosecuted) That is the fault of a ‘Gun’ owner or the NRA, HOW ????????? “… how do you know any of that works? we haven’t really tried it….” The does ‘it’ work? What cities have the HIGHEST, Crime Rates? The ones with the HIGHEST, Gun Banning Laws. What Schools have the LOWEST, Crime rate ? The one where, caring people are Armed at. (Like the Grade/Hi/Collage schools, that ALL the Federal Elected Peoples children go to. “…you could have fixed that if you wanted to, that would have been a small ask, and you say you’ve wanted it but have you really? I'm just not sure I believe that…” And you NEVER WILL, Regardless of what anybody shows you, or the FACTS. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/23/18 at 13:45:46 140710110E0305070C53620 wrote:
Here's the focus part... Is it true that (insert name here) FL doesn't report violent students to NICS? Why not? Does FL report all felons to NICS as a rule? WHY NOT!?! cause they aren't required to, the law the NRA was so happy passing doesn't require them, it doesn't add that additional regulation on them to do that. And yes a car can mow down a mass of people before they realize what's happening. So why don't you ban trucks, cars, and wheelbarrows. ::) Doesn't justify not restricting guns. That's the simple answer, if they fight you on that they're just being ridiculous. but we do regulate trucks and cars via licensing and required insurance, who's talking ban here?? this is background checks Why do they give you a vague number on reporting? Because they don't even know if it 80%, they're just hoping it's 80%. It's voluntary, probably because of all privacy rights and how they're interpreted differently. Until it's mandatory and audited, we'll never know for sure.[/quote] so they don't know?? so it could be 100% then. and again, the NRA helped pass that law and they didn't put a requirement to report it in there, and I guess, to relate to another thread, do we get rid of the 4th amendment then? |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/23/18 at 14:24:22 First MNSPRING, I'm not against gun ownership, I'm not anti gun, I'm not suggesting any ban of any gun. 71526F4C4E55525B3C0 wrote:
When One, HATE’S, the NRA, and all gun owners. Not going to change any minds. Just go Golfing. I don't hate anyone. and I could flip that around, when one hates liberals... as you do, just go golfing and leave this forum alone The anti-freedom ultra-Liberals believe, a, ’gun’, is BAD ! And someone that has a, ‘gun’, Is BAD also. Because they always say: (To exclude themselves from the, ‘Bad’, gun owners. Just before they want totally restrictive, anti-freedom, laws) “Well I have a Gun so it’s perfectly OK to ban Guns” that's NOT ME, so quit throwing your extreme straw-man BS out, talk to ME first before you put me into some fringe group I'M NOT IN (The blue is what LOST wrote) “…I find it hard to buy that the NRA that has always been against any kind of “registry" to record gun buyers of any kind and this says no, they’re okay with registration, of criminals, but you can't have one without the other …” Sound a lot like you are saying. I, MUST, be a, Criminal, because I have a GUN. because you can’t have one with out the other? no, let me clarify, I believe thats what the NRA is affriad of though, if your'e on the same registry as criminals then you get put in as them but I am fully aware that the VAST VAST VAST Majority of gun owners, especially those with concealed carry are great upstanding citizens, but thanks for twisting what I said, the problem you are going to have though is efficiency systems that want one list instead of 10,0000 “…Fox News raved about their ratings for the last 10 years or so.. so, yeah, not telling the truth seems like a good way to get ratings indeed. …” Just like CNN ? Mentioning only one, and crying about them, and NOT saying, FOX and CNN, BOTH, do the same things. Your opinion is a observation of, ONE view ! addressing this first before MN conflates it with whatever his agenda of spinning on me is. yes I only mentioned one, as you'd only mention one when you are debating the other side. and I actually haven't heard CNN boast about it's ratings, not like the "non mainstream but watched by more than anyone else" Fox News did, Occasionally CCN will defend it's ratings against Trump smearing them Which Clearly is: You have enough, ‘Guns’. You only need these kind of ‘Guns’. Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, not my view at all, but thanks for the assumption, (making an ass out of u and mption, now you owe 'mption' an appology) “… the truth about how to stop mass killers… …” The part about, Enforce the firearm laws, ALREADY on the Books, means, Nothing ? well the laws are being enforced, the problem, at least according to the NRA is that those laws don't require reporting 100% so you want to add a NEW law then, to force reporting, correct? “…but YOU lobby politicians, YOU’RE a lobbying group….” Let’s see, a Law was made, that, Abortion is, ‘Legal’. And the person, that wanted one, Paid for it. So, exactly WHEN, did Planned Parenthood, Get YOUR, tax dollars, to Perform Abortions ???? Ya think that had anything to do with Ultra-Liberals, ‘Lobbing’ ? so, now you're throwing Planned Parenthood in here as another WHATABOUTISM... figures, hope one day you figure out how to argue honestly, don't worry, I'll school you on it. oh and Planned Parenthood has NEVER gotten ANY tax dollars for abortion, that's against the law. and there actually isn't a law saying that abortion is legal, there's a law, backed by the constitution, that says what happens between a doctor and their patient is PRIVATE and that they, being grown ups, can make the best decisions for themselves. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T DRAG THIS INTO A DEBATE ON ABORTION, STAY ON TOPIC “…maybe we need better background checks …” “… tighter holes, let’s fix it,…” Gee, isn’t that what the NRA is SAYING !!!!!!! BUT IT'S NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!! Reminds me of the phrase: “Mind is made up, never mind the Facts” When you say: “…you’ll vote against any attempt to fix it….” actually I think I can get the facts to back that up, when's the last time any changes AT ALL have been made to the gun laws?? Next is the part, you, and the other, ‘GUN’, hating people, simply REFUSE to believe. AGAIN, DESPITE YOUR ASININE ASSUMPTIONS, I'M NOT A GUN HATER Which is the, ‘Background Check’, WAS, the NRA’s idea. Which Originally, Clinton,wanted a, ‘Waiting Period’, with NO BACKGROUND Check. Then the NRA pushed for the ‘INSTANT’ Check. When you said: “…why did you accept such lax reporting…” WHO, want’s it ‘both’ ways ????????????? seriously, anyone follow that? let me try here: (bangs head against wall for 5 minutes to scramble my brain to decipher MN speak) ok for F's sake. the Clinton law was: The law required a five-day waiting period after purchasing a handgun, and the dealer had to report the sale to the local chief law enforcement officer to run a check on the buyer. so the WHOLE POINT OF THE 5 DAY WAITING PERIOD WAS A BACKGROUND CHECK. that was CLINTON, not the NRA, the NRA just wanted it to be faster, immediately, as Wayne LaPeirre said. that was their contribution, that the background check keep up with technology (Just a note, ‘Gun shows’, which you ‘allude’ to are exempt. is that like HRC, saying: Anybody can get a gun from anywhere, just like a tea cup on fley-bay) what, private sellers can't sell at gun shows? and there is no law about private sellers selling to anyone without a background check, I could sell my handgun to my friend and not worry about a background check When you say: “…not giving the system the time it might need to be affective….” I don’t know the time frame, but when was the firearm purchased, and when was the school shooting ? So exactly how much ’time’ do you, think is needed ? I don't know, but that's a reasonable question isn't it? Now when someone can, LIE, on the 4473 Form, ( in one year, 80,000 People, LIED, and only 44 were Prosecuted) That is the fault of a ‘Gun’ owner or the NRA, HOW ????????? that would be the fault of the gun owner, but why wasn't it caught? “… how do you know any of that works? we haven’t really tried it….” The does ‘it’ work? What cities have the HIGHEST, Crime Rates? The ones with the HIGHEST, Gun Banning Laws. ANOTHER WHATABOUTISM that's not what we're talking about, that was about SCHOOLS AND SCHOOL SAFETY, not cities and their gun violence. What Schools have the LOWEST, Crime rate ? The one where, caring people are Armed at. but there WERE armed guards at this last school.... (Like the Grade/Hi/Collage schools, that ALL the Federal Elected Peoples children go to. “…you could have fixed that if you wanted to, that would have been a small ask, and you say you’ve wanted it but have you really? I'm just not sure I believe that…” And you NEVER WILL, Regardless of what anybody shows you, or the FACTS. [/quote] you really don't know me, you assume I'm the worst of the worst in your eyes, how about YOU TALK TO ME, instead of assuming who I am. I'm just judging the NRA on their past behavior, where they have blocked even having a conversation about this. OH AND FOR THE REST OF THIS I'M DONE WITH THE LONG A$$ REPLIES, BREAK IT DOWN. I've proven that I think through things, I broke down a 4 minute video for forum consumption for F's Sake. accuse me of being blind or not seeing "facts" again and I'll ignore you forever. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by verslagen1 on 02/23/18 at 14:28:06 6148554A42554B5E6B4854536655534E5453270 wrote:
Focus, don't hijack your own thread. You find something wrong... fix it. If you have to have a fix-all, they're going to start chasing butterflies instead. Background checks, mandatory court input, all courts, auditing. The rest is divisionistic BS... focus. I hope I'm being reasonable. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/23/18 at 14:39:45 617265647B7670727926170 wrote:
Focus, don't hijack your own thread. You find something wrong... fix it. If you have to have a fix-all, they're going to start chasing butterflies instead. Background checks, mandatory court input, all courts, auditing. The rest is divisionistic BS... focus. I hope I'm being reasonable.[/quote] you are being reasonable, it's just sad that only the Republican dare offer any fixes, if any democrat does it they get torn to pieces by the NRA and others claiming they want to ban your guns or confiscate them, I mean we all know that the first step to confiscation is a registry... and I'm not offering any solutions, the NRA is the one saying they know best... not me, I'm just calling them out on their BS. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by MnSpring on 02/23/18 at 15:48:43 1E372A353D2A342114372B2C192A2C312B2C580 wrote:
Perhaps you and someone else, talk so alike, and say so many of the same things, it may seem the two of you are of one mind. Lost: “… Planned Parenthood has NEVER gotten ANY tax dollars for abortion, …” P.P, gets MONEY, from YOUR, Taxes. The overwhelming majority of federal funding to Planned Parenthood comes from Medicaid (Oh, where does the money for, Medicaid, come from ?) Lost: “… DON’T DRAG THIS INTO A DEBATE ON ABORTION, STAY ON TOPIC…” LOLOOOLOO ! Was talking about lobbyists, (or didn’t you get that ?) Lost: “…Clinton law was: The law required a five-day waiting period after purchasing a handgun, and the dealer had to report the sale to the local chief law enforcement officer to run a check on the buyer….” I See, you must have had a Gun Store then, You had a FFL License then, (How many years did you have a FFL ?), You did the Paperwork then, You knew what the Laws were and how they were enforced, you KNEW, what the, ‘check’, was by the LEO? WOW, didn’t know that !!!! LOLOLOLOLOL This one is really great ! Lost: “…maybe we need better background checks …” Lost: “… tighter holes, let’s fix it,…” MN: Gee, isn’t that what the NRA is SAYING !!!!!!! Lost: BUT IT’S NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!! So now, you say the NRA, is to do the checks, not the FBI ? MN: Now when someone can, LIE, on the 4473 Form, ( in one year, 80,000 People, LIED, and only 44 were Prosecuted) That is the fault of a ‘Gun’ owner or the NRA, HOW ????????? Lost: that would be the fault of the gun owner, but why wasn’t it caught? YEA, WHY ?????????????? Why Wasn’t he/she 'caught’ ? Gee, ya Think, The People, IN CHARGE, Ignored them ??????? And again, it's the NRA's Fault, WHY ??? Let’s see, Hospitals and Clinics were, ’Suppose’, to communicate with each other. Over 10 Years ago. (Digitally) They STILL Don’t !!!!!!!!! Yet, ANY, Hospital or Clinic, can INSTANTLY, (Digitally), communicate with, ANY, Pharmacy, so you get drugs. (Not changing the Subject, making a point.) When the Communication gets, someone MONEY, Like Hospital/Clinic, communicating with Pharmacy, It’s gets DONE. When Hospitals and Clinics, do NOT communicate with each other. It is MONEY also. Only Money, to do a test, which was done, by the, ‘other’ place, which the, ‘other’, place, can NOT communicate with. Reporting, to a central place, about a Mental Health problem, is, Not, Mandatory by the LAW MAKERS. NOT the NRA. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/23/18 at 17:18:27 okay, breathing, in and out, counting to 10.... F IT 5B784566647F7871160 wrote:
Perhaps you and someone else, talk so alike, and say so many of the same things, it may seem the two of you are of one mind. Lost: “… Planned Parenthood has NEVER gotten ANY tax dollars for abortion, …” P.P, gets MONEY, from YOUR, Taxes. The overwhelming majority of federal funding to Planned Parenthood comes from Medicaid (Oh, where does the money for, Medicaid, come from ?) Lost: “… DON’T DRAG THIS INTO A DEBATE ON ABORTION, STAY ON TOPIC…” LOLOOOLOO ! Was talking about lobbyists, (or didn’t you get that ?) okay, I'm letting this go, because you don't understand so forget it, I'm not wasting my time, oh but Planned Parenthood isn't JUST a lobbyist group, they actually provide care, not just newsletters Lost: “…Clinton law was: The law required a five-day waiting period after purchasing a handgun, and the dealer had to report the sale to the local chief law enforcement officer to run a check on the buyer….” I See, you must have had a Gun Store then, You had a FFL License then, (How many years did you have a FFL ?), You did the Paperwork then, You knew what the Laws were and how they were enforced, you KNEW, what the, ‘check’, was by the LEO? WOW, didn’t know that !!!! LOLOLOLOLOL dude, it was google search for the law, that's the wording of the LAW. the point remains, a background check WASN'T the NRA's idea, they just wanted it faster to be less cumbersome on the gun buying process, aka, they were against it. This one is really great ! Lost: “…maybe we need better background checks …” Lost: “… tighter holes, let’s fix it,…” MN: Gee, isn’t that what the NRA is SAYING !!!!!!! Lost: BUT IT’S NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING!!! So now, you say the NRA, is to do the checks, not the FBI ? no idiot, the NRA is a lobbying group, they AREN"T LOBBYING (doing) for background checks, for increased bettering of background checks, show me when they have done that? they consistently prevent law-makers from even talking about it. MN: Now when someone can, LIE, on the 4473 Form, ( in one year, 80,000 People, LIED, and only 44 were Prosecuted) That is the fault of a ‘Gun’ owner or the NRA, HOW ????????? Lost: that would be the fault of the gun owner, but why wasn’t it caught? YEA, WHY ?????????????? Why Wasn’t he/she 'caught’ ? Gee, ya Think, The People, IN CHARGE, Ignored them ??????? And again, it's the NRA's Fault, WHY ??? I never said it was the NRA's fault, ANYWHERE ABOVE ABOUT ANYTHING, I said they say one thing and do another, when it's politically favorable they say, "we're for background checks" after years and years of shutting down any conversation about improving gun control, after years of saying all you need is the 2nd amendment to carry, after years of praising and rewarding politicians that refuse to do ANYTHING about anything related to guns you seem to think it's some grand conspiracy "the people in charge ignored them..." maybe those people are NRA sympathizers and don't want to rob a human being one of their human, inalienable rights as many NRA members believe of the 2nd amendment Let’s see, Hospitals and Clinics were, ’Suppose’, to communicate with each other. Over 10 Years ago. (Digitally) They STILL Don’t !!!!!!!!! Yet, ANY, Hospital or Clinic, can INSTANTLY, (Digitally), communicate with, ANY, Pharmacy, so you get drugs. (Not changing the Subject, making a point.) When the Communication gets, someone MONEY, Like Hospital/Clinic, communicating with Pharmacy, It’s gets DONE. When Hospitals and Clinics, do NOT communicate with each other. It is MONEY also. Only Money, to do a test, which was done, by the, ‘other’ place, which the, ‘other’, place, can NOT communicate with. Reporting, to a central place, about a Mental Health problem, is, Not, Mandatory by the LAW MAKERS. NOT the NRA. [/quote] you know there are actually laws about hospitals communicating with pharmacies and all that right? that communication is regulated. and seriously, I don't know what you mean here: Reporting, to a central place, about a Mental Health problem, is, Not, Mandatory by the LAW MAKERS. NOT the NRA. I'm going to try to decipher this.... lord help me so, I'd write this, as: "There is no law that requires reporting of mental health to a central location. That's not the NRA's responsibility. " is that what you were trying to say with your beatnick poetry crap? I seriously hate talking to you because of how you type in generic read what you want into it Trump style f*ckery yes, you are correct, there is no central government agency or database to record and report the mental health conditions of Americans. but the NRA is against any kind of registry, right? or am I wrong? I mean the barely let background checks happen. if they could the'd get rid of that too. I'm sure you'll disagree with everything I said anyway so I"m not wasting my time anymore, I wish this forum had an ignore button. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by MnSpring on 02/23/18 at 17:37:56 654C514E46514F5A6F4C50576251574A5057230 wrote:
What ? YOU, haven't FOUND it Yet ? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 02/24/18 at 06:55:18 Lost - don't waste your time or keystrokes on that. Bat$hit crazy won't listen to reason. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/24/18 at 07:16:00 If Just ONE of the Official Authorities who had ample opportunity to step in HAD done what they should have, This conversation wouldn't be happening. If a few teachers had been armed, We might still be having the conversation, But the number dead and wounded would likely be Much lower. The history of the shooters shows they usually surrender or suicide when confronted. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by Serowbot on 02/24/18 at 08:49:36 405F595E43447545754D5F53182A0 wrote:
Before or after they shoot you?... :-? |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/24/18 at 10:46:53 Hard to believe you're serious. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/24/18 at 23:10:02 verslagen1, here's the other side that your NRA leadership isn't bragging about/marketing to you: https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/us/nra-criticizes-gaps-it-created-in-gun-background-system-invs/index.html?sr=twCNN022318nra-criticizes-gaps-it-created-in-gun-background-system-invs1033PMVODtop " ... "This madman passed a background check. How was he able to pass a background check? He was able to pass a background check because we have a system that's flawed," Loesch said on stage. "It is not federal law for states to report convictions to the NICS system. It is not federally mandated. That's the big question, and I wish that this network had also covered this more." In fact, it was the NRA that led the effort to block the federal mandate, by financing and arguing the US Supreme Court case that let states off the hook. The 1997 decision in Printz v. United States threw out part of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, and made it optional for local courts, police departments and states to submit background information on residents. ... In 1997, the Supreme Court sided with the NRA and Ravalli County Sheriff Jay Printz of Montana. Justice Antonin Scalia wrote the court's opinion, which was largely driven by the concepts of federalism. The Constitution's 10th Amendment limited the federal government power over state and local governments, the court decided. ..." |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/24/18 at 23:25:52 That's every bit as respectful to the constitution as the ruling that allows abortion because the unborn are neither born nor naturalized. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/25/18 at 13:10:56 352A2C2B3631003000382A266D5F0 wrote:
oh look, big surprise, another... say it with me folks..... WHATABOUTISM!!! brought to you from the guy that says he wants to debate facts with facts... but just as long as they have nothing to do with each other I guess.. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by thumperclone on 02/25/18 at 13:19:46 6D4459464E5947526744585F6A595F42585F2B0 wrote:
pay no attention to the jog behind the curtain ;) |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/25/18 at 13:39:07 I guess you don't understand the legal importance of Precedent. Do you really not understand why those legal decisions are supported by the exact same elements? When you guys get beat you call the logical comparison Whataboutism. It's a legal argument. Both positions are legally made possible by the same logical argument. But it's Whataboutism.. Right.. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by FormerlyLostArtist on 02/26/18 at 10:20:01 687771766B6C5D6D5D65777B30020 wrote:
then you really misunderstand the abortion ruling: The U.S. Supreme Court, in 7-2 vote, agreed with Roe that Texas's law criminalizing abortion violated her right to privacy. But the Court held that states do have an interest in ensuring the safety and well-being of pregnant women, as well as the potential of human life. Acknowledging that the rights of pregnant women may conflict with the rights of the state to protect potential human life, the Court defined the rights of each party by dividing a pregnancy into three 12-week trimesters: During a pregnant woman's first trimester, the Court held, a state cannot regulate abortion beyond requiring that the procedure be performed by a licensed doctor in medically safe conditions. During the second trimester, the Court held, a state may regulate abortion if the regulations are reasonably related to the health of the pregnant woman. During the third trimester of pregnancy, the state's interest in protecting the potential human life outweighs the woman's right to privacy, and the state may prohibit abortions unless abortion is necessary to save the life or health of the mother. and no point does it mention "naturalization" for anything. and the gun debate I put up above also has NOTHING to do with naturalization or born or unborn or ANYTHING OF THE SORT. I posted that article to refute this idea that NRA is somehow pro-background check, it proves that they have a long history of supporting anti-background check movements. ----- you're going to have to start actually explaining your drive-bys if you want to, as you keep saying, have reasonable rational discussion about them. the Roe V Wade decision regulates the constitutional right to privacy based on the sanctity of the right of human life, why can't the constitutional right to bear arms be regulated based on the same thing? or are you arguing that both the constitutional right to privacy and the right to bear arms should both be equally "unabridged" to the max? |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/26/18 at 10:59:54 I WATCHED Hillary state exactly what I said. And, https://barbwire.com/2018/01/20/past-time-reject-roe-v-wade-invincible-precedent/2/ January, 2018 22 SHARES ShareTweetPlus PrevPAGE 2 OF 2Next Blackmun argued that the reference to “person” in the 14th Amendment means “citizens” who are born or naturalized in the United States. “All this together with our observation … persuades us that the word person does not include the unborn.”12 The fact that aliens, who are neither born in the U.S. nor naturalized, are persons protected by the Amendment was of no moment to Blackmun. Blackmun arbitrarily refused to include the unborn in the doctrine of “personhood,” even though “person” in the 14th Amendment, according to the Court, includes inanimate entities such as corporations and ships. Blackmun’s conclusion went further than the 14th Amendment: “In short, the unborn have never been recognized in the law as persons in the whole sense.”13 |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 02/26/18 at 12:29:23 7C626D6C617C677A080 wrote:
Hmm... seems some folks on here cant remember what the original topic was... See above. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 03/01/18 at 11:06:02 4C525D5C514C574A380 wrote:
Well, specifically - 2 other students. Yes, their views should have been taken as well. However, their views in no way negate the legitimacy of the others speaking out for gun control. I also agree that the media needs to allow everyone's opinion (don't see any pro gun control stories on fox, do you?). However, the opinion of the country is overwhelmingly in favor of some kind of gun control. That's a fact. [/quote] Well, well - Look at this little tidbit that just came out: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CjYGkUjQn0[/media] Wait - is this fake news, or....? The father says there was no bad intention.... HA!! His intention was nothing but bad. Shame. |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by Serowbot on 03/01/18 at 13:59:56 Fake news?... Faux News... |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by T And T Garage on 03/01/18 at 14:15:06 2533243921343922560 wrote:
;D Yuuup! |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/01/18 at 17:11:14 What's your answer? WHY will it work? |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by Serowbot on 03/01/18 at 17:13:56 There was a question?... :-? |
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Title: Re: More Fake News From GP - No Surprise Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/01/18 at 17:25:58 Sorry, brain fart.. |
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