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Title: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Birchw1 on 11/12/17 at 12:15:41 Hi, I'm new to the forum and new to Savages. I just picked a '96 in good running order except for a few items. The first to be tackled is that the bike starts in neutral with the stand up or down, but as soon as I put it in gear, it stops. I am assumuning this is the kickstand switch. Is there a way to bypass the switch such as simply tying the two wires together or do I need to dig deeper? Thanks! Birchw1 |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Dave on 11/12/17 at 13:01:26 The kickstand switch has a connector on the left side of the bike, right around the little painted side cover. The connector is attached to the fram upright tube with a little plastic tie that can be unlocked and reused. You can run a jumper wire on the upper half of the connector. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/12/17 at 15:45:02 Stand down In gear Motor dies. Stand up, Should be good. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Eegore on 11/12/17 at 19:35:19 Why would you need to have the kickstand down while the bike is in gear? |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Dave on 11/13/17 at 03:20:39 0A2A28203D2A4F0 wrote:
You don't - the safety switch is there for those folks who forget to put the kickstand up and try to ride off........the safety switch kills the engine so you don't try. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Birchw1 on 11/13/17 at 04:59:40 My issue is even with the kickstand up, the bike dies when I put it gear. So I can just jumper the wires then... i’ll give it a try. Thx. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Eegore on 11/13/17 at 05:20:34 I misunderstood, I thought you were wanting to have the stand down and not have it die when put into gear. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Dave on 11/13/17 at 05:40:59 09292B233E294C0 wrote:
The original problem is that his bike dies whenever he puts the bike in gear....with the kickstand up or down. (When the kickstand switch fails, it assumes the kickstand is down at all times....even when it is up). |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by batman on 11/13/17 at 08:30:15 Before bypassing the switch ,I'd make sure the connecter is clean and tight and look the at the double springs that hold the stand up as the ends sometimes get bent open and stop the switch from fully closing. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by buster6315 on 11/13/17 at 09:23:38 How about a safety switch that prevents you from dis-mounting with the kickstand up? |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by verslagen1 on 11/13/17 at 10:00:57 687F797E6F783C393B3F0A0 wrote:
:-? a seat that grabs your a$$? Horn blares? engine starts? 30,000 volts to? or a bike that falls to the ground? |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by batman on 11/13/17 at 11:55:57 Do they make a one too many switch? |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Eegore on 11/13/17 at 12:15:19 Riding mowers have a kill switch connected to the seat. Toss one of those on. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by batman on 11/13/17 at 21:40:42 The Suzuki seat isn't sprung , it won't work. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by eau de sauvage on 11/14/17 at 01:59:54 3D2A2C2B3A2D696C6E6A5F0 wrote:
I needed on of those last week for my GS, turned the ignition off coasted into the garage came to a stop flicked the side stand down and dismounted in one smooth action. Except that I missed the side stand. Don't ask. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Dave on 11/14/17 at 05:40:22 It is good for all of our members to know the symptoms of a failed sidestand, clutch and neutral light switches - so you can bypass those switches to get home and do a proper repair. SIDESTAND SWITCH FAILURE - The engine stops immediately when you put the bike in gear. The switch can be bypassed by finding the connector on the left side of the bike - on the frame just above the pulley cover. Take the connector apart and stick a jumper wire or paper clip between the two wires in the connector...then tape it up to prevent the wire from touching the frame. CLUTCH SAFETY FAILURE - When this fails the starter won't run when you hit the button. This can be bypassed by removing the two wires connectors at the bottom of the clutch lever pivot. Run a jumper wire and tape it up to prevent a short. NEUTRAL LIGHT SWITCH - If the neutral switch fails........the engine won't start if the kickstand is down - as the safety system believes the transmission is in gear all the time. This one is a little hard to bypass as the connector is on the right side of the frame backbone, and the tank has to be removed to access it. The neutral switch creates a ground for the starter relay to work - the wire comes out of the bottom of the engine just below the oil inspection window and it has a black covering. The wire then goes up the frame to the backbone under the tank, and the wire is blue. You need to either disconnect the wire under the tank and run a jumper wire to a ground - or in an emergency you can cut the wire and ground is somewhere. I am not recommending the removal of any of the safety switches by any of the new members on this group - however I am old and go "Old School". I started riding a very, very long time ago (about 48 years).....my first bikes were kick start and didn't have a neutral light. I have a routine for getting on my bike and getting ready to ride - and after this long it is now a reflex. 1) Put on all my riding gear. 2) Get on the bike and grab the handlebars, level the bike, put kickstand up. 3) Turn on petcock and move choke lever if needed. 4) Rock bike a bit forward/back to confirm bike is in neutral. 5) Turn on Ignition, pull in clutch lever - kickstart or use starter button. 6) Warm bike up for about 30 seconds - turn off choke. 7) Pull in clutch, put bike in gear......ride off. 8) Let the engine warm up and use gentle throttle for a few minutes. I like keeping things as simple as possible on my motorcycle, and the kick stand and clutch safety have been know to fail. I really don't want to have those kind of issues when riding the Savage - so I have removed the switches on my Cafe' bike. My bike will take off if you hit the starter button while the bike is in gear and the clutch is out - so I never start the engine if I am not seated on the bike and the clutch is in.......and being seated on the bike automatically triggers my reflex to put the kickstand up. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by verslagen1 on 11/14/17 at 07:58:16 SIDESTAND SWITCH FAILURE - This is a ground, no need to isolate it. CLUTCH SAFETY FAILURE - This is 12v, wrap this one up good. This is also a good point to check, no 12v (or so) check the kill switch. NEUTRAL LIGHT SWITCH - Also a ground as noted. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by batman on 11/14/17 at 08:25:21 EDS, I prefer to use the kill switch ,always! this switch shuts the bike off,and more importantly kills power to the ignitor(cdi ) and the spark coil. While this may not seem important ,but if you forget to remove the key,power is still on and can burn up the diodes in the cdi ,a very costly mistake,and frequent use of this switch (exposed to weather) tends. to keep it in working order, if the contacts become dirty do to non use the bike will fail to start. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by buster6315 on 11/14/17 at 18:47:18 I, too, have gotten in the habit of using the kill switch I had read about the desirability of using it in the past. I don't want too many safety switches, life would be too boring. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Birchw1 on 11/16/17 at 12:28:52 Some great info - thanks!! |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by norm92de on 11/16/17 at 14:19:17 IMHO the kill switch has only one function. To shut the ENGINE down in an emergency. The key is for shutting the bike down. I do use the kill switch now and again to ensure that it functions properly. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by batman on 11/16/17 at 21:01:42 Morm , the kill switch is to shut the bike down any time, the key is to shut the bike off . It's best to use the switch every time ,If you use the key to shut off the motor the bike will have to be in neutral,Unless you've used the kickstand to shut the motor off(which wont stop power to the CDI) I feel it's safer to park my bike in gear ,and you have to reach down an blindly remove the key, what if you turn it to park instead ,pull the key, and walk away?(dead battery?)What if your distracted by a riding buddy, forget to turn it off, and walk away? (fried CDI ?)I get off the bike and remove the key as I'm looking at it, this insures that I remove it in the off position ,using the kill switch insures no damage to the CDI, and the bike in gear lessens the chance that it might roll ,the kickstand fold ,and the bike fall, if bumped or on an uneven surface . In an emergency turning off the kill switch will be an "automatic "reflex, and you'll know it's going to work. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by verslagen1 on 11/16/17 at 21:11:45 you must be short... or young. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Dave on 11/17/17 at 02:13:49 3E3D28313D3268645C0 wrote:
This is your routine - not mine. I use the key to shut the bike off - works every time! ;) |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by buster6315 on 11/17/17 at 06:37:10 I like the jiffy stand on my Sportster. Once deployed, it will not fold-up if the bike rolls forward. There's another safety requirement Big Brother could take a look at. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Dave on 11/17/17 at 07:12:30 71666067766125202226130 wrote:
Harley kickstands are a bit scary for those of us who only ride them once in a while. When the kickstand touches the ground.....and then the bike continues to lean over until the kickstand engages - that always causes my heart to skip a beat! |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by RazBarlow on 11/17/17 at 07:55:15 I agree with you , I can't remember in the past 30 years of riding when the last time was that I used a kill switch . I have walked up on people that are trying to get their bike to start and they have used the kill switch or someone else has ridden their bike and used the kill switch. If you walked up to my bike and flipped the kill switch you would honestly have me trippin for a minute . 7B7A67782C277170150 wrote:
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Dave on 11/17/17 at 08:05:01 MMRanch tried to reach over and shut my Kill Switch off while we were riding down in Lynchburg........luckily he missed! ;) (I think it was a payback for when I tried to make it look like he had a big oil leak by dumping some used motor oil on the floor under his Sportster) |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by verslagen1 on 11/17/17 at 08:09:57 Once had a rock bounce off my helmet then hit my kill switch. WTF was that... WTF happened... then my eyes cleared. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by batman on 11/17/17 at 09:09:55 Dave ,I might use the key too, if it was sitting where my speedo use to be ,instead of under my butt cheek. |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by verslagen1 on 11/17/17 at 09:17:39 2C2F3A232F207A764E0 wrote:
or at least on the right side |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by norm92de on 11/17/17 at 09:52:39 I do have one comment. I shut my bike down in gear only when buying gas because my bike crunches horribly if it is put in gear after a short stop, so I start it in gear at the gas station only. DAMFINO! :) |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by piedmontbuckeye on 11/18/17 at 08:41:05 I'm very "old school" too! So old school, that I once met Ben Franklin! However, being old school where none of the bikes had any kill switches, kickstand switches or clutch lever switches. I got used to getting on the bike, making sure it was in neutral and then hit the starter button (or in the older days, hit the kickstarter)! However: my question: If one bypasses both the clutch safety AND the kickstand safety (which I intend to do on mine), why would one ever want to bypass the neutral safety, and thereby rendering the neutral light inoperable? |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by Dave on 11/18/17 at 08:50:23 726B67666F6D6C7660776169677B67020 wrote:
I don't believe anyone has suggested bypassing the neutral light when it is functioning properly.....the reason I posted the information on how it functions and how to bypass it - is that it could fail while you are a long way from home......and you may need to bypass it so you can get home! |
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Title: Re: Kickstand Switch Question Post by piedmontbuckeye on 11/18/17 at 08:59:14 546F6275646873756E666B74070 wrote:
I don't believe anyone has suggested bypassing the neutral light when it is functioning properly.....the reason I posted the information on how it functions and how to bypass it - is that it could fail while you are a long way from home......and you may need to bypass it so you can get home! [/quote] I was just racking my brain as to why one would want to do it! However I did appreciate your instructions on all of them (I even copied to my hard drive for my bike) as I always appreciate knowing how things are supposed to work, and how to bypass them to make them work the way they really should work!! |
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