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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Politics, Religion (Tall Table) >> In an emergency, the constitution ceases to matter /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1505142304 Message started by justin_o_guy2 on 09/11/17 at 08:05:04 |
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Title: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to matter Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/11/17 at 08:05:04 http://www.freedom-school.com/truth/waract.htm I've pointed this out before. This is a concise rundown. |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by Eegore on 09/11/17 at 08:24:39 People can write articles like that and intentionally leave out the fact that people win legal and yes even Constitutional arguments against the government all the time. Are you really saying "everything" the President has done is "automatically approved"? Explain the travel ban, seems like a direct conflict to me. Pinon Canon expansion in CO was supposed to take ranch lands for the expansion of Fort Carson, it hasn't happened, its in litigation and the government is not winning even though the President approved it, also incidentally the Secretary of Treasury allocated the funds. If it was automatically approved why hasn't it been funded or implemented? |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/11/17 at 08:29:53 T hey have to maintain the facade. Read Constitution : Fact or Fiction. Read the laws referenced. The reason we have to be licensed to Do what anyone should be able to do is We have been declared the enemy. That's why Allodial titles no longer exist. It used to be part of the Texas constitution. No more.. |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by Eegore on 09/11/17 at 10:01:40 You don't think licensing has something to do with credentialing and education? If I declare my means of personal conveyance to be a helicopter I can just use that with no training, no communication with FAA or other pilots? Commerce would continue if the US said we don't license airline pilots anymore because of Constitutional rights? Other countries and businesses would be cool with just anyone flying a plane around. Have you seen the outrageous disasters in medical communities that don't license a medical practitioner? These people kill hundreds before anyone figures out what's being done wrong. No problem though the US would be different without a medical license to perform surgeries on children. No one would take advantage of the poor or uneducated here. We aren't on horses anymore, things change. |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by pg on 09/11/17 at 10:14:30 Constitution.... ;D Next year there are many people who will not permitted to board an aircraft with a state issued ID. Evidently the state issued ID doesn't conform with the Real ID Act. No matter, let's give anyone with (or without) a pulse the opportunity to participate in choosing our nations leaders even if they don't have any ID. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/11/17 at 20:30:29 License Permission to do what would otherwise be illegal. Lots of reasons to have to ask for the privilege of catching fish. If you're not willing to read, you'll stay where you are. N.a. |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by Eegore on 09/12/17 at 05:27:28 There are reasons to require fishing license where I live. Wildlife needs to be managed here especially fish. Lakes are stocked, some are restricted or all the fish will die etc. That doesn't happen for free, licenses help fund the management and help control the amount of people utilizing certain fishing areas. We can fish on private property without a license. Again if I declare my personal means of conveyance to be a helicopter does the Constitution guarantee me that? |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/12/17 at 17:41:34 Have you read anything I've said to read? I'm pretty sure you aren't stupid. Are you curious? You sure seem to be. Read the war powers act. |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by Eegore on 09/14/17 at 10:04:05 I did read what you have indicated, I've been familiar with the War Powers Act for years and looked through it again. I don't think the link you provided would be considered "concise" by my definition. I'm also familiar with Senate Report 93-549 and while it addresses Emergency Powers it doesn't indicate War Powers Act as the primary issue. I do agree with its content and would be fine with repeal. However when a lot of this is read and applied in context instead of selecting specific areas and forcing an interpretation, such as stating we are "declared enemies" then its not so cut and dry. For instance I would like references of when Allodial titles existed in the US, that they were intended to last more than a short time, and that they were revoked with any of the information provided thus far. We can say things like: "everything the President or the Secretary of the Treasury has done since March 4, 1933 is automatically approved" but where is this evidence? "Everything?" |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/14/17 at 13:33:04 Yeah, people say all inclusive stuff and it's obviously false. I'm fighting a back hoe flat today, but would welcome a telephone visit with you one day. You good with that? Never considered allodial titles being intended to be short term. No reason to believe they were. My doctor's husband knows a woman who has a ranch that's been in the family a long time and she still has one. |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by Serowbot on 09/14/17 at 15:12:00 Collusion.... :-? Naaa,.. that's nothin'... |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/14/17 at 16:06:39 What are you talking about |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by Serowbot on 09/14/17 at 16:18:07 Emoluments,.. Naaa,.. that's nothin'... |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/14/17 at 16:21:38 Did you bring your lunch or did you ride a bicycle? |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by Serowbot on 09/14/17 at 16:23:42 ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by Eegore on 09/15/17 at 08:24:20 594640475A5D6C5C6C54464A01330 wrote:
I'd be interested in learning how their title works, and if its useful to them. Theres people that hold allodial titles but still pay annual property taxes which is counter to what that type of title is. Anyone can buy one but unless its Nevada (where you pay all taxes up front and must be free of debt, and they might not even do it anymore) I don't know of anywhere an allodial title is worth more than the paper its printed on. Similar to how we can order Service Dog certification but dropping cash and jumping through a few hoops for a red vest and a laminated card doesn't make your dog a service dog. Look up sites like naturallyprudent.com (ignore the sea of typos) and then ask them to provide successful litigation vs. total litigation statistics of customers using their material, see if you even get a response. Then check public records and see how successful SPC cards and Allodial Title paperwork is in court arguments. I've not seen one work, and people that claim it does won't provide proof. Jefferson's 1774 treatise “A Summary View of the Rights of British America” indicates an allodial system but its up to the reader to interpret if he meant a permanent system in the US, or just to be free of British systems. A study was done on this but not published online, I will see if I can pull it up. |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by Eegore on 09/15/17 at 08:36:54 Oh yeah and to keep this on topic... When articles provide references then slap down an opinion such as: "Now we know why we no longer receive allodial freehold title to our land... as enemies, our property is no longer ours to have." I have to ask is this true as research would indicate otherwise. States have been utilizing the term "Allodial" and charging property taxes, using eminent domain etc. since the 1700's but the reference article states it was March 9, 1933 that removed the allodial land option from US citizens. An easy thing to do when you take things out of context and apply it where you want. There's other things in there as well (such as the misrepresentation of "State of Emergency") but there's no need to hash out every discrepancy. |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/15/17 at 17:05:25 I've contacted real estate lawyers and asked about it. They act like it is a foreign language. Any real event you can reference, I'll look. Don't pay property tax and see if there is a superior landlord. operty owned under allodial title is referred as allodial land. Allodial lands are the absolute property of their owner, and are not subject to any service or acknowledgment to a superior. In allodial lands there will not be any control by a superior landlord. |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by Eegore on 09/15/17 at 21:35:12 "operty owned under allodial title is referred as allodial land. Allodial lands are the absolute property of their owner, and are not subject to any service or acknowledgment to a superior. In allodial lands there will not be any control by a superior landlord." We can write that down but do you know anyone that holds such a title and it actually works? Subject to any service includes public services, is there a landowner that you know of that will not receive law enforcement, fire or medical response to their property? Is your friends ranch excluded from state or federal taxes? Again to keep this on topic, the article referenced in the original post claims it was 1933 when allodial landowning was stopped, even though thousands upon thousands of landowner transactions for decades show otherwise. Sounds like intentional distortion of facts to me. |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/16/17 at 00:35:52 And I have exactly ZERO knowledge of any such title being available. I know of one in existence. And you claim many thousands.. And show me nothing to support it. |
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Title: Re: In an emergency, the constitution ceases to ma Post by Eegore on 09/16/17 at 21:12:10 Allodial Titles exist in a number of states today. Texas allows one to pay for an Allodial Title to avoid increased property taxes, it has for many years however one must pay up front a calculated ratio. Nevada has a similar system where one can pre-pay a lifetime estimate of property taxes up-front. Look through NRS 361.905, it specifically addresses property tax procedures for allodial titles. https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-361.html#NRS361Sec905 Minnesota has issued allodial title on every piece of land since the states inception. The terminology exists within the states constitution reflecting that every plot of issued land is allodial. These are issues not related to the 1933 act referenced in the original posted article even though it states that it is the reason allodial titles don't exist. Again this is just one of the discrepancies I saw in that article. Heres where my research started as I am not a fan of people telling me how to interpret data, open the PDF, its a 65 page document and sometimes the download won't work: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=247494 |
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