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Title: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/08/17 at 17:10:25 When I think of the good things about the States the answer is obviously not especially because of the marvellous lecturers on the TTC courses who impart their knowledge with great skill and obvious love of their subject matter. However when I see the malicious posts here and elsewhere supporting him and his random cruelty I think yes, you asshats deserve a creep like Trump. But that's probably just an emotional response. Too bad you have such a bullshit gerrymandered electoral college voting system. I've seen it said that a millionaire and the poorest person each have a vote of the same value, but really because of the electoral college system that is not true, in some States a vote is worth three votes in a different State. This is without even taking into account of the evil Republicans attempts to further disenfranchise voters whom they know won't vote for them. Rule of law? forget about that, look at Joe Arpaio's ludicrous pardon before he's even been sentences. Dog whistle anyone. EDIT: I have since discovered it's all God's fault. https://youtu.be/z2evzYyHQXU |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by pg on 09/08/17 at 17:53:51 That is an insightful well-informed post.... What makes you feel you are so acquainted with American politics? Perhaps you could elaborate more on why we are asshats. Which of Trump's policies do you denounce? What law did Arpaio break? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/08/17 at 18:10:39 Well off the top of my head, I'll select his DACA policy as one I would denounce mainly because it's not even a policy he believes in it's just him pandering to racists. As for what law Arpaio broke I guess 'criminal contempt' is one of them. But you already knew all this anyway. Never has my signature been more apt since I ventured into the sewer of the 'political forum' 3720262A2535470 wrote:
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/17 at 18:15:01 Pretend you're asking a question. You're not. Just a slippery intro for your caustic opinion. Support for Trump? However when I see the malicious posts here and elsewhere supporting him and his random cruelty I think yes, you asshats deserve a creep like Trump. My defense of his words is straight up. His pointing out that blame belongs to both sides when violence erupted at the demonstration was correct. That the left can't handle it isn't his fault. Disagreeing with him and knowing hundreds who agree with you doesn't make you correct. Or was only the people who had been diligent to follow the law and get a permit to be there wrong? |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by pg on 09/08/17 at 18:21:39 76647073646260050 wrote:
[/quote] Does Australia offer unlimited unmitigated migration? Arpaio was a 55 year leo - military police, DEA, 24 years as sheriff. He was the victim of a political persecution for fulfilling his duties. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/08/17 at 18:49:54 Does Australia offer unlimited unmitigated migration? Apart from the 'whataboutery' in your comment, DACA is not about unmitigated migration is it? Arpaio was a 55 year leo - military police, DEA, 24 years as sheriff. He was the victim of a political persecution for fulfilling his duties. Please feel free to correct me if I've somehow got this wrong but I was under the impression that his sworn duty was to uphold the law and not to break it. He was found to be in criminal contempt precisely because his own take on what his duties were, were found to be illegal and he still refused to comply with the law. Imagine if everyone was like you where your personal take on what you decide your 'duty' was, was OK. Then imagine if someone decided to exercise their personal take on 'duty' was and your legally enshrined 'rights' were abused. "Duties" is the other side of the coin whose obverse is 'rights'. One persons rights are another persons duties, if everyone really did their duty then no one would have to demand their rights. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by pg on 09/08/17 at 19:09:32 2B392D2E393F3D580 wrote:
1. You didn't answer my question. Does Australia offer unmitigated immigration? 2. He did not break the law, he disregarded a judges order. She told him not to arrest illegal immigrants. Hence, he fulfilled his duties. 3. Regarding: "Duties" is the other side of the coin whose obverse is 'rights' - Illegal immigrants do not have constitutionally protected rights in this country. 4. DACA was illegal in of in it's conception. The president does not have the ability to create immigration laws at will. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/08/17 at 19:22:22 1. You didn't answer my question. Does Australia offer unmitigated immigration? I'm not going to answer a stupid question unless you first tell me the point you're making. It's stupid because the DACA's did not themselves 'unmitigatedly' (whatever that's supposed to mean) immigrate. But you already know this. 2. He did not break the law, he disregarded a judges order. She told him not to arrest illegal immigrants. Hence, he fulfilled his duties. He did break the law, this is not a matter of opinion it's just a simple fact. And he broke a lot of laws too. Reminds me of Duterte who decides that it's fine for him to tell citizens that they can shoot and kill suspected 'illegal drug dealers'. 3. Regarding: "Duties" is the other side of the coin whose obverse is 'rights' - Illegal immigrants do not have constitutionally protected rights in this country. This law is about DACA, which is not the same as any general illegal immigrant, it has been specifically defined. 4. DACA was illegal in of in it's conception. The president does not have the ability to create immigration laws at will. You mean like the way Trump has already done. And in that one statement you reveal you are a clone of Trump, you use any specious argument and decide if something suits you it's OK but if the same thing later doesn't suit you then it's not OK. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/17 at 19:30:41 Imagine,, just how stupid is it to talk to blonde hair and blue eyed people hunting illegal aliens. Just because some idiot passed a law that should never have been considered doesn't make it a law to pay attention to. Hey, what is Your take on sanctuary cities? |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/08/17 at 19:33:11 @Y'all, I get it I really do. For years white supremacist racists have had to lurk in the shadows until God sent Donald Trump who has truly made Fascism great again. It must be a palpable relief for y'all to be able to gather with your fellow racists all around the world in the sunshine without embarrassment. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/17 at 19:35:14 You're so far off base. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by MnSpring on 09/08/17 at 19:41:09 Gonna have to spend some time, Digging in to, Australia, Politics. Do know, The decedents, of, ‘Convicted Criminals’, Have, Totally, GIVEN AWAY, Their, Freedom ! Yet, the, “decedents, of, ‘Convicted Criminals’, In Australia, know, everthging, about, what is happening in the U.S.A. (Or, what they are, TOLD to SAY) |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by pg on 09/08/17 at 20:17:53 7C6E7A796E686A0F0 wrote:
That is not correct, Trump referred it to Congress. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by pg on 09/08/17 at 20:25:39 584A5E5D4A4C4E2B0 wrote:
And that is coming from a place that was founded by criminals, has no bill of rights, and is losing whatever few freedoms they may have remaining. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/08/17 at 21:29:58 6F7076716C6B5A6A5A62707C37050 wrote:
And you're so far up your own arse that you're coming out the other side. But seriously you want to know my 'take' on sanctuary cities, I'll give you my take on life in general instead and you can adapt that to any other questions you have about my 'take' on things that confuse you. I think that everybody is well aware of what is 'right' and what is 'wrong' and the reason for that is because we are all human beings and this knowledge is inbuilt. How do I know that you do not want to be harmed in any way or lied to or have your property stolen or cheated etc. How do I know this because I do not want to be lied to etc. So we have the DACA people, a special group of people who did nothing wrong. The cutoff was 10 years ago, these are people who have lived here and fought for your country some probably died for your country. These are not people who themselves sneaked in. You seem to think that somehow these 800,000 Americans, (because they are Americans) are depriving the "real" Americans, you know the ones who patriotically shoot up their fellow school children but are not terrorists, and other "genuine" Americans, of jobs. Why do you think any countries even allow immigrants in. It's the economy stupid. Yes that's right, try and stay with me here because this is very a complex economic idea but anyway as incredible as it may seem to you these people eat food and wear clothes and go to shops and pay taxes and basically contribute to the wealth of the entire nation. And believe it or not but these 800,000 people who've been living here almost their entire lives also consume stuff like other normal American people. Isn't that amazing. Turns out they actually create jobs, this is why all countries even have immigration, not because they have golden hearts but it's how the economy grows. But the bottom line is that if you were to put yourself in the situation of these particular DACA people, would you want to be treated the way Trump and his sidekick Foghorn Leghorn are doing. No you would not and you know it's wrong no matter how bitter you are. And because you know it's wrong you have to keep repeating Donald Trumps barely comprehensible bullshit. He's only pandering to racists and nut jobs because they are the ones who delivered him victory even by losing the popular vote and this is because of the gerrymandering and the electoral college system. But you know what, being nasty to other people will not increase you're own happiness. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/08/17 at 21:37:31 7A6D6B6768780A0 wrote:
Australia like every country in the world has a past of incredible cruelty. The Spanish destroyed the entire Mayan civilisation. Aborigines were hunted like animals. Much like the way Americans gave the American Indians smallpox infected blankets. But this is not the issue here. We also have a government who pander to hate with acts of pointless dog whistling random cruelty but there are good people here too as you can see here https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/sep/09/victoria-steps-in-to-help-100-asylum-seekers-cut-off-by-coalition Yes immigration should be controlled and people should follow the law, nevertheless the answer is not acts of random cruelty. And for wealthy nations to engage in this sort of cruelty for the sake of their own politics is reprehensible. However what Trump is doing to the USofA is on a scale that's barely comprehensible. His dismantling of laws to stop chemical companies dumping toxic waste in rivers is frankly weird and how people can support this sort of environmental vandalism is beyond my ability to comprehend. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/08/17 at 23:45:16 dismantling of laws to stop chemical companies dumping toxic waste in rivers is frankly weird and how people ca Show me. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/09/17 at 02:45:26 081711160B0C3D0D3D05171B50620 wrote:
Show you what? A copy of the new regulations? |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by pg on 09/09/17 at 05:36:56 56445053444240250 wrote:
Obama violated the law by imposing DAPA & DACA, not bad for a constitutional scholar. http://www.speaker.gov/general/22-times-president-obama-said-he-couldn-t-ignore-or-create-his-own-immigration-law On September 5, 2017, the administration announced, through Attorney General Jeff Sessions, that the executive orders for DACA and DAPA will be revoked if Congress cannot pass appropriate legislation. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by WebsterMark on 09/09/17 at 05:46:08 Please feel free to correct me if I've somehow got this wrong but I was under the impression that his sworn duty was to uphold the law and not to break it. He was found to be in criminal contempt precisely because his own take on what his duties were, were found to be illegal and he still refused to comply with the law. We have major US cities refusing to follow current immigration laws and in fact are actively promoting methods, using public funds, how to avoid the consequences of violating state and federal laws. We have a previous IRS commissioner who will escape FBI investigation for violating the laws that outline her duties. Both of these are examples of political prosecutions that DIDNT happen which is the opposite of what happened to that Sheriff. There are a hundred Joes on the opposite side of the fence who have no worry or fear about violating laws. Old Joe here stood up and did what was right and took the heat. I always find it interesting when foreigners attack the USA with such vile and hatred. And from what little of your crap I've read, you have no real first hand knowledge of what's going on. As I pointed out, you were completely wrong about this topic to begin with. And Jog's questions are valid. When do you stop immigration? When do you say enough? How long do you voluntarily change the very core of your nation, because that's what immigration without assimilation does and that's what's happening. It's easy and simplistic to claim some moral high ground and shed fake tears over parents trying to escape $hitholes like Mexico. I get that. But at some point, adults have step in and look to the future. That's where we are and the question deserves a valid answer. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/17 at 08:12:18 495B4F4C5B5D5F3A0 wrote:
Show you what? A copy of the new regulations? [/quote] Something, anything, you've made a claim. Based on what? |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by MnSpring on 09/09/17 at 08:47:33 So, Obama, signed a, ‘deal’, with Australia, just DAYS BEFORE the election, to take, Australia’s refugees, from their, ‘Off Shore”, camps. And bring them to the US. (The B.S., 'good for you, but not for me', comes to mind) “The Coalition government, now led by Turnbull, campaigned in 2013 on a vow to “stop the boats," and OSB included posters with slogans such as "No Way: You will not make Australia home." “Boat arrivals have all but dried up since Australia said it would refuse resettlement to any refugees arriving on unauthorized vessels, sending them instead to Papua New Guinea and Nauru in the Pacific." “…While Australia welcomes migrants and visitors, individuals must arrive lawfully…” “…Under the new detention model high risk unlawful non-citizens remain subject to detention in immigration detention facilities as necessary. The safety of the Australian community is important. The decision to place an individual who does not hold a valid visa into an immigration detention facility includes consideration of whether or not they present a risk to the Australian community….” “…If a person has exhausted all options to stay in Australia and does not leave, the Department will facilitate their removal….” “…Over the past few years, the nature of people in immigration detention has changed from illegal maritime arrivals to a population that potentially presents a security risk to the community and those who have had their visa cancelled due to their substantial criminal history…” “…The increase of people who have had their visa cancelled on character grounds now makes up around a third of the held detention population. This presents challenges to the safe management of detention facilities resulting in an increased need to use mechanical restraints including flexi-cuffs—particularly when moving a high risk detainee from one facility to another. Where this is done, it is recorded as ‘use of force’, and it is undertaken within the law and appropriate guidelines. The use of restraints must always be necessary, proportionate and reported….” That’s just 15 minuets, on Just ONE, Subject, “Refugees” No need to go into the, ‘gun’ laws, which are a Unbelievable, ‘Lack of Freedom”. (Well what does one expect from a, ‘Common wealth’) And what does that, ‘Commonwealth’, do with, ‘Un - Documented Aliens’? (Not the ones from Mars) Very Hard to find it, it is well hidden. Not worth the time to dig it up. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by pg on 09/09/17 at 09:07:02 It would appear they have 13 immigration / detention facilities that are operating. Feel free to google - australian offshore detention centres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_immigration_detention_facilities http://https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Baxtersign.jpg http://https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Woomera-irpc.jpg/800px-Woomera-irpc.jpg He was so kind to call us asshats in his first post.... ;D Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/09/17 at 16:21:18 @pg, @mn... Gee willikers and golly gosh we've got photos from pg, and we have a big big post from mn. I am humbled that you have both taken the time to compose such specious bullshit. However you pose a dilemma for me, how do I respond. Do I play this with a straight bat and just point out the fallacy of your false equivalency? Would that be condescending because to do that I would have to assume that you are as stupid as you pretend to be. OR do I respond as if you really ARE as thick as two planks... What to do what to do. Am I allowed to phone a friend? Maybe some other helpful readers can select which way I go on this. For the record I simply do not believe you guys are this dumb, after all you ride motorbikes in some twisted way we are all brothers here. OK help me out, answer this, are you guys serious when you pretend that stopping people arriving by a rickety boat where unscrupulous agents send them out to either make it to shore or die, is identical to DACA where those targeted have lived in the US and for all intents and purposes been US citizens in every way except for a technicality. Who are not just dumped into the illegal alien basket but are in fact nearly a million strong group of people who have very very tight restrictions on how they qualify and what they must do in order to fully gain legitimacy. People who have already contributed to this marvellous but flawed country you all profess to love so much. Are you guy seriously putting these two scenarios on the table for consideration as to their moral, ethical and legal equivalence. When I get an answer to that, I'll be in a better position to respond appropriately. P.S for the record the govt. of Australia has just agreed to pay out $70,000,000 dollars for illegal detention to these people. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-14/commonwealth-agrees-to-pay-manus-island-detainees-compensation/8616672 |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by MnSpring on 09/09/17 at 16:49:06 10021615020406630 wrote:
Their ya go. Do as you are, Told to Do ! |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/17 at 16:52:04 ho are not just dumped into the illegal alien basket but are in fact nearly a million strong group of people who have very very tight restrictions on how they qualify and what they must do in order to fully gain legitimacy. People who have already contributed to this marvellous but flawed country you all profess to love so much. Gosh, you mean those people are all clean cut, hard working Americans? I guess that report last week about the dreamers who pulled a murder was a lie.. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by pg on 09/09/17 at 17:32:08 However you pose a dilemma for me, how do I respond. Do I play this with a straight bat and just point out the fallacy of your false equivalency? Would that be condescending because to do that I would have to assume that you are as stupid as you pretend to be. OR do I respond as if you really ARE as thick as two planks... What to do what to do. That is so very kind of you to be so considerate, us yanks appreciate that. However, feel free to address the issue as you see fit. OK help me out, answer this, are you guys serious when you pretend that stopping people arriving by a rickety boat where unscrupulous agents send them out to either make it to shore or die, Did I make any comments? Why the need for internment camps? Why not welcome them from a long journey with a visa or even better citizenship? "Welcome to your new home! Tell you friends and family they are welcome as well." Are you guy seriously putting these two scenarios on the table for consideration as to their moral, ethical and legal equivalence. When I get an answer to that, I'll be in a better position to respond appropriately. The only scenario I presented is that you can not have your cake and it too. You criticize our country for addressing a long standing issue. Trump took no action other to tell Congress you have 6 months or I will rescind the previous executive action. All the while you have internment camps surrounding your island. Have you heard this expression before? “That is the pot calling the kettle black.” If you haven’t you may need to phone your friend. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/09/17 at 18:18:07 445B5D5A4740714171495B571C2E0 wrote:
Mate those people are just normal Americans. I would expect some of them to be thieves and rapists, at the exact same level of the general population. But then this is how racism works isn't it, find a few bad eggs and use that as an excuse. I'll bet though none of them are as as criminally insane as the All American hero timothy mcveigh or the columbine killers. but there you go. @pg, you win, you've beaten me with your obdurate idiocy I resign. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/17 at 19:20:15 Actually the way I would do it is check the records and see who is a functional member of society and set them up to get citizenship. The others, IDK. What if they don't even speak the language of where they came from? I'm pretty tired of the high horse act you people put on. Just because I don't want people who are not citizens taking jobs and using the social services that the American people rightfully own doesn't mean I have a dislike for people who are descended from other places. I'm a good guy. The bigots are the people who think they know me. Snowflakes BELIEVE that anyone who doesn't agree with them is just a hate filled Neanderthal. You're the bigots. Ouch, but DO try to remember. Reagan got cornered and agreed to grant amnesty to everyone years ago WITH the stipulation that The Border gets closed. Instead, the Border Patrol got ordered to stand down for the most part. Ohhh, the occasional bust, just to keep the rubes happy, but the policy has been open borders for decades. Read up on Clowered and Piven.. Ohhh it just SOUNDS so Outlandish! But, Observed Reality looks Just Like what it talks about. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/09/17 at 20:51:15 Jog, everyone's a good guy in the end, but sometime we behave badly. However the DACA stuff is simple pointless cruelty, which is what Trump loves, it's simply pandering to the worst of the worst. It's dog whistling. Had he had his way he's cut taxes for the rich and remove health care for the poor. Laughably the Freedom Caucus thought the the health care bill wasn't nasty enough! DACA are a separate and quite different class of 'illegals' to people who sneak over the border. In fact it had bi partisan support, but the Republicans are too piss weak to not let Trump and Foghorn Leghorn ply their cruelty. And as for 'taking your jobs' they are creating jobs and growing the economy. Why do you think countries even bother to embrace immigration at all? Overall 800,000 people living in the USA for 20 years on average from children to adults are like any other citizen born there part of the wealth. Sure there's be some criminals, sure there'll be some bludgers just like the non illegal population. They've already been consuming goods, paying taxes, and growing the economy. And the economy has been growing steadily during the time they've been in the USA. Your GDP has gone up. Had these 800,000 never been in the country the USA would not be wealthier for it. Even people on social security don't pile up that cash under their bed, they spend it, it goes back into the economy, even if they buy drugs the drug dealers spend it. Australia is one of the only Western countries in the world who did not suffer from a recession during the global meltdown because the Labor govt, injected a massive (for us) 54 billion into the economy. It was called irresponsible at the time, now it's called genius. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/09/17 at 21:12:10 No. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/09/17 at 23:31:51 Sad. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/17 at 14:46:12 Iceland didn't pump billions in. They issued arrest warrants for the bankers. I disagree with your understanding of the immigration policy and economics and your attitude towards trump. Somehow he's suddenly a mean spirited idiot. The allegations against him regarding his attitude towards others is based in the fact that he has some desire to follow the law. If you'll look at the economic condition of the people here, we are far less prosperous than in the past. I'm 62 and I Watched my grandpa support a family with only a 13 stool snack bar in a grocery store foyer. Impossible today. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/17 at 18:20:28 True Caring DEMANDS lawful immigration. The people smugglers don't Care about the people they bring. Some wind up sold into prostitution. Some who strike out on their own get robbed or just die in the desert. Or , bake to death in the back of a truck. http://www.invasionusa.news/2017-07-23-the-real-cost-of-illegal-immigration-eight-people-cooked-to-death-in-the-back-of-a-trailer-in-a-texas-wal-mart-parking-lot.html I've Seen illegals used on a tomato farm in Arkansas. Dude hauled a school bus in, stripped it out, and that's where they slept. No plumbing, no electricity. Just the shell of the bus. Yeah, it's GOOD having open borders. Poor brainwashed things. You've been conned, |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by raydawg on 09/10/17 at 18:32:25 I have watched this thread, and the one glaring fact that is not even considered, is this..... If we truely care about these "folks" in a manner that really would give testimony to our argument, is this: Why do we wait to "help" once they have been displaced? I can't imagine having to leave my state, much less my country, to find a sustainable life. How is it we don't help them, in their native country, so they don't have to leave, break apart families, etc? Why is it only when it can be used politically, that it gets our attention? Love to hear some answers..... |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/10/17 at 23:23:05 Remember shortly after Nafta they came in droves. . We were suddenly able to export agricultural products to a nation of FARMERS. Gee, why did they need a fresh start? We bankrupted them. Guys, if you think it's accidental, unintended consequences, blah blah blah, YOU see the stupid, don't you? Well, I see a lot, It's not accidental, Read the globalist agenda. The End of the Sovereign Nation is the goal. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by T And T Garage on 09/11/17 at 06:24:29 GAME. SET. MATCH. Goes to: Eau de sauvage |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by pg on 09/11/17 at 06:43:52 7F616E6F627F64790B0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/11/17 at 07:06:22 475956575A475C41330 wrote:
The referee is crooked. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by T And T Garage on 09/11/17 at 08:58:18 6275737F7060120 wrote:
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Best regards,[/quote] Love how you leave out the context...lol |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by MShipley on 09/11/17 at 10:45:04 5F4046415C5B6A5A6A52404C07350 wrote:
Wow, you really are a progressive Hater with no knowledge of America, It's people, and it's politics..... First of all Obama created DACA as a "Temporary" measure while he tried to force congress to Reform our immigration laws. Well Guess what? Congress to this date has done nothing to Reform Immigration laws. Trump has not gone out and tried to deport ANY, NOT ONE, DACA recipient. However he is trying to box in Congress and force them to do their job and give this Country Immigration Reform. I travel the World and one thing I have learned is that the rest of the world gets the news that the Progressive Left Media wants it to hear. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by MShipley on 09/11/17 at 10:50:15 JOG, sorry I hit the wrong "QUOTE" in the above response I was actually reacting to the following. 2D3F2B283F393B5E0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by raydawg on 09/11/17 at 10:59:55 7E605B5A435F564A330 wrote:
[/quote] Reject identity politics, it is racist on its face! Neanderthals used clubs, for they could not dialogue and reason..... I hate you, because your hatred of me...... Yep, that's a fix alright ::) |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by MShipley on 09/11/17 at 11:44:14 eau de sauvage, there is another side to what you see from the media. The left lost the election (they are unhappy) They tried real hard to delegitimize Trump and anyone associated with him by saying he colluded with Russia. That has died because there was no collusion. Well they still lost so now they are saying he stands for White Supremacy and he is a Racist. This too will die because it is also not true. What they are trying to do before the NEXT election is create a scenario where if you do not vote for Liberal Progressives you will be labeled a racist. I am not sure about your country but in this country the progressives under the banner of tolerance are trying to destroy everything and everybody that does not think their way. There is NO room for competing ideas in their world. There goal is to eradicate or bring to its knees anything or anybody that does not agree with its belief's. However these tactics do work, you spread enough propaganda and lies about people that the WHOLE world thinks its true. It worked real well for Hitler when he wanted to delegitimize Jews and say they were sub humans. Fascism is not legitimized by whom someone claims to be Fascist. It is legitimized action. Perhaps you should take an open minded view of what really is happening. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by T And T Garage on 09/11/17 at 11:53:36 58467D7C6579706C150 wrote:
I'm not speaking for Eau, but... LMAO!!!! "They tried real hard to delegitimize Trump (HA! He's done that himself) and anyone associated with him by saying he colluded with Russia. That has died because there was no collusion." You sure about that? Robert Mueller and The Grand Jury might disagree with you... "in this country the progressives under the banner of tolerance are trying to destroy everything and everybody that does not think their way." - um, only if your way is racist or intolerant... wait, are you gonna say that the kkk and the alt right are tolerant??? LOL "There goal is to eradicate or bring to its knees anything or anybody that does not agree with its belief's.(sic)" No, just fascists and racism. "Fascism is not legitimized by whom someone claims to be Fascist. It is legitimized action. Perhaps you should take an open minded view of what really is happening." Now you're talking about the alt-right. Good! |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by MShipley on 09/11/17 at 11:58:43 That is exactly the response I would expect TT, I appreciate your consistency. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by T And T Garage on 09/11/17 at 12:01:18 0C122928312D2438410 wrote:
And I yours. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/14/17 at 16:03:16 Looks like your precious Trump has screwed y'all. Trump Confirms Support for Law to Protect ‘Dreamers’ https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/us/politics/trump-daca-dreamers.html |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/14/17 at 16:08:23 That's how it looks. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/14/17 at 16:37:49 Michael Moore did warn you that after he was installed he's not going to do a darn thing for the people who voted him in. https://youtu.be/iYuiqwctTaU |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/14/17 at 16:44:54 @justin_o_guy2,, You see this just goes to prove my point that the DACA legislation was only about pandering to his core voters with no concern whatever about who it harmed, the victims the voters or the US. In the DACA case it was both cruel and completely illogical. This was such an immense c.ock up by Trump that he has done the unthinkable and actually backed down because someone had to explain to him that he f.ucked up big time here. Now he has to somehow paint it to be the fault of 'the republicans' as if he's not their leader. This is what happens when you have a bone fide imbecile and completely unqualified shyster leading the US. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/14/17 at 17:28:30 After decades of qualified, Professional Shysters, we decided we wanted an amateur. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/14/17 at 18:07:23 Fair enough. I mean what's the worst that can happen, a nukular war with N. Korea? |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/14/17 at 18:20:39 67787E7964635262526A78743F0D0 wrote:
btw are you entirely sure that Trump is an amateur shyster? 25 million bucks is not chump change. The deal, which calls for Trump to reimburse the students who say they were defrauded, was struck in November but needed approval from U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel. He signed off on the settlement Friday in San Diego. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/31/522199535/judge-approves-25-million-settlement-of-trump-university-lawsuit |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by pg on 09/14/17 at 18:56:37 392B3F3C2B2D2F4A0 wrote:
How about our last one? Our longest serving wartime president ever, every single day of his administration! Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/14/17 at 19:18:48 Come on pg, if you're going to quote at least have the decency to not change the quote by cutting the sentence to change the meaning, let's have the full at least... BTW no comment on Trump's about face on DACA? @pg, you win, you've beaten me with your obdurate idiocy I resign. 4651575B5444360 wrote:
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by pg on 09/15/17 at 03:46:32 If you continue to participate on the Tall Table, you will learn to choose your words wisely. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by WebsterMark on 09/15/17 at 04:39:14 We have one full time American-hating a$$hole at this table plus one part timer. I've got no interest in another, especially this clown who is only out to stir $hit up by posting headlines. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by eau de sauvage on 09/15/17 at 07:37:57 Choose words wisely? You confound me, you edit sentences to change meaning and advise others to choose their words? I'm beginning to suspect that you are not trying to wind me up but genuinely are in fact as vacant as you seem. Best regards. 5146404C4353210 wrote:
@WebsterMark no need to be coy with the a$$hole b.ullshit. I'm sure we're all tough enough to not faint at the sight of canary manure. It's amazing how you want to take everything personally, 'american hating' you poor little darling. |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by T And T Garage on 09/15/17 at 08:04:55 516364757263744B67746D060 wrote:
Hmmm... is there a reference to me in your comment? (not to be too narcissistic) I wonder, do you think I'm and "American-hating a$$hole"? |
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Title: Re: Does the USofA deserve Trump. Post by pg on 09/15/17 at 14:51:48 5B495D5E494F4D280 wrote:
Whatever do you mean? Please feel to elaborate.... Perhaps if you were able to provide a more compelling argument you would not have to resort to trivial insults. Best regards, |
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