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Message started by LANCER on 07/26/17 at 10:22:07

Title: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 07/26/17 at 10:22:07

Got REX out this morning for a quick test ride. It only lasted about 10 minutes but I got him up and down the paved road for a couple of miles.
He did run well. Yep. Idled fine and accelerated HARD. It was a HANG ON kind of ride. Yep. 8-)
Now I need to get the carb tuned up properly; should be even more fun then. Oh yea. 8-)

Something else too, the front forks have virtually no give in them. What did I do wrong when doing the upgrade ? It seemed straight forward during the process.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 07/26/17 at 11:08:44

3D303F3234236366510 wrote:
Something else too, the front forks have virtually no give in them. What did I do wrong when doing the upgrade ? I seemed straight forward during the process.

What rate springs did you install? What is your weight?
Which GVE spring did you use and at how many turns?
What is the air gap/oil height?
You did drill out the existing damping rod holes, right?

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 07/26/17 at 13:16:02

747E7A707B72767F212723130 wrote:

[quote author=3D303F3234236366510 link=1501089727/0#0 date=1501089727]
Something else too, the front forks have virtually no give in them. What did I do wrong when doing the upgrade ? I seemed straight forward during the process.

What rate springs did you install? What is your weight?
Which GVE spring did you use and at how many turns?
What is the air gap/oil height?
You did drill out the existing damping rod holes, right?[/quote]

I set mine up just like yours, as you described in your instructions, but on the adjustable tops I'm not sure where that is set at.
I'm at 194 lbs.
Not sure about the air gap.
I put in the prescribed amount of oil for the LS650 forks.
Yep, drilled the holes.

I've never had a set of forks do this...well, except when I way over filled the sporty forks.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 07/26/17 at 13:55:14

If you put in the LS amount of oil (around 15oz) you have WAY too much oil in the forks. Go back and read the instructions on this procedure. You want to have an air gap of 140mm. That is measured with the spring, spacer and GVE out and the fork compressed. If I had to guess it's probably only 9 or 10 ounces. With 15oz in there, and the GVE, you probably have close to a zero air gap.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 07/26/17 at 16:01:01

72787C767D747079272125150 wrote:

Thanks, I will check it tomorrow.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by Armen on 07/26/17 at 18:29:04

Did you put in the light flywheel?

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by ohiomoto on 07/26/17 at 19:34:08

71425D555E300 wrote:

Did you put in the light flywheel?

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Good point! The lighter flywheel will make the forks feel stiffer. (Said the fat ass who lowered his forks and only has about 40mm of air gap.) ;D

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 07/27/17 at 04:51:19

6D5E4149422C0 wrote:

Did you put in the light flywheel?

Yes I did, and the engine seems to spin up really well, but the ride was really short and with the new piston in it I did not want to crank it really hard so more testing will be needed before I can get a good feel for the difference. But, I was really pleased with its initial performance.
Also, REX has the chain/sprocket on it vs. the stock belt, so the final gearing is just a bit over the stock gearing. I don't remember the exact numbers for it but it is the sprocket combo that puts it just above stock.
That said, it does not seem to hamper performance at all. I would expect a slight bump in acceleration if using the belt, with the lower gearing.

I will be heading out to the barn shortly to fix the fork oil level. I apparently slept through that part of the instructions as I was reading it. :o

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 07/27/17 at 17:30:30

Well, I spent a few hours working on the forks but to no avail.
I could not get the adjustable caps off the tubes. One would turn in the middle but would tighten on both ends. It was crazy. The other did not want to turn at all. When installed they went on without any issue. Makes me wonder if I dumped some adhesive in there.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 07/27/17 at 19:04:37

It's best to crack open the fork caps when the tubes are tightly secured in the triple clamps. Once you get them moving by a 1/4 or 1/2 turn they can be removed. If the forks are already uninstalled from the T-clamps, then you can secure them in a vice with a non-marring pad to protect the chrome. Yes, remove the pre-load by raising the adjusters all the way up before trying to loosen the caps.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 07/28/17 at 03:50:03

747E7A707B72767F212723130 wrote:

The forks are still on the bike. I was able to get them moving, that was not the issue. One was so stiff that it only turned about 2 complete rounds. The other moved freely once it got going but then when it should be really loosening it gets hard to turn again and then stops turning.
I will try it again later today. It is my mama's birthday today, she is 89, and still quite active. Some of the guys met her and my step dad in May when here for a ride. She loved them all.
Anyway, after spending time with her today I will try again.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/17 at 07:17:59

Things that break loose, turn, then bind up scare me.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 07/28/17 at 07:31:46

5E4147405D5A6B5B6B53414D06340 wrote:

Things that break loose, turn, then bind up scare me.

Yep, it does make you wonder what is going on.
When I next try it again I am going to leverage it a bit more and just go for it. We will find out what it is made of. I am tired of babying it. >:(

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/28/17 at 07:39:05

Shouldn't be Dry in there, but I'd probably squirt oil at it and work it back and forth as I brought it out. Sure would sukk to gall threads.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 07/28/17 at 07:41:14

36292F2835320333033B29256E5C0 wrote:

Shouldn't be Dry in there, but I'd probably squirt oil at it and work it back and forth as I brought it out. Sure would sukk to gall threads.

Did that yesterday with WD40 & rust something; both several time over about 4 hours.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by Dave on 07/28/17 at 09:02:35

Maybe Rex is coming to MM's place in September? :-?

If you did not lubricate the O-rings when you assembled the top caps, the rubber may be getting stuck and causing the drag. The WD40 and other lube you used should help.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 07/28/17 at 09:32:48

Well, I will see this afternoon. I have not had any get so tough to get back off like this one.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 07/28/17 at 15:35:29

13282532232F343229212C33400 wrote:

Maybe Rex is coming to MM's place in September? :-?

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I plan on it. Yep.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 07/28/17 at 19:31:07

Waiting to hear how this worked out...

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 07/31/17 at 18:52:09

5D575359525B5F56080E0A3A0 wrote:

Waiting to hear how this worked out...

I got back to the bike today. The caps still do not want to come off. They turn ok, I used the power rachet on it and they just turned and turned and turned but did not come off.
So I took a shortcut and drilled a small hole in the base of each fork, drained some oil and put a screw with O-ring in each hole. Now I have a functioning front suspension and can drain the tubes without removing them from the bike.
Unless someone has an idea to remove the caps I am just going to tighten them up and go with it for now.
I want to ride it.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 07/31/17 at 18:59:26

I probably would have drilled out/dremmeled the $35 caps off the forks then permently damage the forks that are worth hundreds. But at least you're riding... I guess.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/31/17 at 19:48:18

That's getting it handled!

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 08/02/17 at 18:56:05

Got about 10 minutes on REX yesterday. I need to go up a size on the pilot jet; will get to that in the morning. There is lots of power available. After that then it is on to mid & high ranges. Yee Haw !

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 08/12/17 at 10:38:16

I have had a few more short test rides.
The engine/carb are coming along. There had been a significant pause just after idle, and that has mostly been corrected but there is still a slight pause, especially if the throttle is cracked really hard.
Aside from that it is pulling like a freight train.
With that acceleration there is a bit of a wobble going through 4th gear at about 5000rpm.
I need to get the speedo hooked up so I can see what the speed is when that happens.
AND ... I have a freaking oil leak from the head. No doubt it is the head plug, but I don't understand why since I installed a Versy plug. It should be good. I will be pulling the head cover this afternoon to find out what's up.

Till next time boys and girls ... same BAT time ... same BAT channel ! ! :D

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by verslagen1 on 08/12/17 at 12:03:51

Did you use 2 o=rings?
1 in the groove and 1 below the head.
http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Plug/NewHeadPlug.jpg

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by Armen on 08/12/17 at 13:47:18

Can't wait til it's broken in and sorted out ;)

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 08/12/17 at 16:27:37

Michael, I thought I had gone back and added the 2nd o-ring BUT apparently NOT ! [ch128544] I frustrate myself ! [ch128546]
SOOOOOO, yes, there was only one of those little red suckers on there.
Oh well, it was something that was easy enough to determine.
Tomorrow afternoon; put it back together with TWO O-RINGS !

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/12/17 at 16:32:19

What gasket sealer are you using?
Not saying that is the problem now, but there is always tomorrow. The head cover to head gap determines the cam to bearing fit. Heavy application is not your friend. A sealer that sets up isn't either.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 08/12/17 at 17:04:25

6C7375726F6859695961737F34060 wrote:

Some red stuff. Will check the name tomorrow.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/12/17 at 17:34:38

The semi-liquid stuff they use in motorcycle shops is the best stuff I've used. The tube I bought when I did the cam on the 05 is Finally gone.
Only lost less than half a teaspoon.

Ok, looked at the tube.
Says
Semi-Drying Liquid gasket.
Three Bond 1104, but I think it's been replaced by 1108.

http://xmasonsale.com/three%20bond%201104?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyaWVi_jS1QIVCFp-Ch13tQ-ZEAEYAyAAEgJxavD_BwE

I bet a local bike shop sells it.
That's where I got it.
Even if it's five bucks less online, it lasts so long and you'll save the price of a buncha RTV that won't get hard in the tube. Unless waiting isn't a problem..
This stuff will crush so flat it's amazing.
I had the cover off to repair damage from the throw out breaking and was really pleased with how very thin it was and so easy to clean up.
I couldn't say how many passes I made torquing it. I just kept giving them a squeeze until I felt the clamping force .

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 08/14/17 at 17:51:26

I had some fun today.
During a test ride my right leg suddenly got really hot; looking down I see it is covered with oil; pulled up to the barn and shut it down; took a look; hmmm, the end cap on the right side of the head, right where the camshaft is, was gone !
Thinking back to when I put it together I think I must have put it in backwards. First time I have ever done that, I must have been REALLY sidetracked when doing that.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/14/17 at 17:59:07

Bummers.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/14/17 at 19:04:28

This quick test ride is getting very long.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by LANCER on 08/15/17 at 02:59:25

2E24202A21282C257B7D79490 wrote:

This quick test ride is getting very long.

Since I started this I've had like 2 days off for doc's visits and one day on the bike, again and again, and I'm pretty slow when working.
Then the oil leak.
Now the massive oil blast.
I can't figure why I installed that plug backwards, and I can even remember looking at it and still did not realize it was wrong.
I'm loosing it.

Title: Re: A quick test ride
Post by Dave on 08/15/17 at 04:12:35

I don't believe it would make a difference which way it was installed (other than appearance). The shape of the plug is nearly the same with it installed either way, and it should have stayed put regardless of which way it was installed.

The only other person on this forum that has blown that plug out is the genius that decided to just cap off his breather pipe....the engine had no place to vent.

If you blew out the cam plug - you must have had some serious pressure building up inside the engine.

Check your screen in the head and make sure it is not all gummed up, and that your vent hose is clear. Maybe the filter you have at the end of the vent hose is too restrictive.