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Title: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 07/23/17 at 07:25:15 I just got a 98 Savage as the start of new build. I'm going in the direction of a board tracker but not a super strict interpretation. Maybe more a modern board tracker. But nothing is built yet so we'll see where it goes. For I now I'm calling it the beer budget board tracker. I'm starting with the forks. My tentative plan is to build them and road test them on the stock frame to make sure I'm comfortable in designing around them as I tear into the frame. Here's the concept of the fork design. Not every part is represented yet. There will be oilite bushings at all pivots and either bolts or rod for axles and gussets or plates to attach the tubes to the bearings. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Armen on 07/23/17 at 07:54:57 Way cool! Please keep us up to date with pics and drawings! -Armen |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 07/23/17 at 10:07:01 Seen all kinds of builds here on SS but never a board tracker Savage. This should be a very unique build , lots of eyes watching your build , have at it ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 07/23/17 at 13:20:40 This should be cool. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by IslandRoad on 07/23/17 at 13:25:15 I had to look up 'board tracker'! Can't wait to see where you go with it ... especially a 'modern' version. Good luck with the build. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 07/23/17 at 15:06:56 Did they have board tracks down under ? Might be just an American thing. Got me curious ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Armen on 07/23/17 at 17:53:18 Motorcyclopedia, the bike museum near here has original 8 valve 1,000 cc Indian factory board track racers on display. No brakes, no gearbox, WFO throttle with only a kill switch to slow down the motor, no mufflers, total loss oil systems. Running on banked wooden bicycle tracks. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 07/23/17 at 18:43:39 Some progress from a few days ago |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/23/17 at 19:15:37 No brakes, no gearbox, WFO throttle with only a kill switch to slow down the motor, no mufflers, total loss oil systems. Not even on my wildest most daring day. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 07/24/17 at 03:49:39 A few more progress pics. Close up is a portion of the bottom triple clamp. Lug to be welded and sliced to allow for a clamp fit to steering stem. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/i2z3x8se9/IMG_0487.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/5ocbwx0vx/),http://https://s6.postimg.cc/qba89pz29/Full_Size_Render16.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/wozbcz3y5/),http://https://s6.postimg.cc/6upin73y9/IMG_0533.jpg (https://postimage.cc) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 07/24/17 at 03:51:25 091610170A0D3C0C3C04161A51630 wrote:
Yikes! I didn't know it was that barebones, that's why I'm thinking a more modern version :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/24/17 at 04:06:42 Barebones is okay, to a point, but when it starts looking like it's gonna cause broken bones, it's time to rethink.. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Hamman on 07/24/17 at 06:18:25 Beautiful welds! Looking forward to this! :P |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/24/17 at 06:48:43 When you get done you should send it to Armen. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Armen on 07/24/17 at 19:35:44 How will you tie those parts to the triple clamps? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 07/25/17 at 03:58:06 Here's closer pictures of the design. I'm connecting my parts to the stock steering stem. The upper clamp doesn't worry me too much, tolerances not too tight and pretty easy welds on substantial pieces. The lower clamp will clamp on and has higher tolerance to fit steering stem. The thinner sections are more likely to get pulled out of shape by welding but i think i can be minimized by welding the flat piece to the long tube first and then weld the steering stem tube to the assembly. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/3n3et4b7l/lower_clamp.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/dx5tsd131/) http://https://s6.postimg.cc/rcsuht9kx/upper_clamp.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/eleobazst/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Hamman on 07/25/17 at 06:31:50 Very cool, looks insanely intriguing. ::) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 07/25/17 at 19:47:55 SS has got another talented builder !!! Can't wait to see this bike. What a great bike , stock or just begging to be customized. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/06/17 at 18:40:16 Started welding and fixturing for triple clamps. Lower clamp is planned to be split so it can be slipped on and bolted tight. It started as a slip fit but now with welding it shrunk to a mild press fit. I think Ill to keep it that way if it survives the next welds in reasonable shape, with any luck it shrinks a bit more to a good press fit. Still pondering the exact sequence of fitting and tacking to maintain good geometry in the final assembly. Not too worried about upper clamp as there are not close tolerances but a bit concerned about the bottom clamp keeping shape through the welding process. I can always remake it beefier if needed. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/7nxkplx35/IMG_0567.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/68w00vvzx/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/57vrbrf0h/IMG_0566.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/aw222njct/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/6c6zesr0h/FullSizeRender21.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/bnlvzid31/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/46cokank1/FullSizeRender20.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/r7t9q1n7h/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/06/17 at 19:27:49 I don't even weld that good in my dreams. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Dave on 08/07/17 at 05:12:04 When can I come down for a welding lesson(s)? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/07/17 at 07:09:10 Good job stacking the coins? Welding is on my "must learn" list. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Armen on 08/07/17 at 07:29:21 Wow! Lots of work! Keep the pics coming. Might as well saw off the fork lock while you are in the neighborhood |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by DieselBob on 08/07/17 at 08:23:25 I love what you're going for. And I'll confess to a bit of envy at the quality of your work. Ok, a lot of envy! Still trying to puzzle out the geometry on the girder. If the lower shock mount is attached to the lower forward pivot, the vertical link that shares the lower shock mount and then connected to the upper shock pivot arms (for lack of a better term) would appear to make for nearly a solid parallelogram effectively taking the shock out of the equation. Also, instead of the shock being mounted to the upper tree, it would seem the mechanical advantage of the pivoting arm for that mount would require an extremely robust coil over shock. Or, at least make for a challenging calculation to size the shock. But then, I'm neither a designer nor a mathematician. Am I not visualizing things correctly? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by LANCER on 08/07/17 at 09:59:31 It looks to me like the movement arms on the lower end of the shock are about 1/3 longer than the movement arms on the upper end of the shock. Is this correct ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/07/17 at 11:57:43 This is a design sketch of just the shock linkage in the two extremes of travel up and down. The neck is the big rectangle, just the lower pivot arm to the fork is shown, the upper pivot arm to the fork is left out. The shock only has 2 inches of travel but I want 4-5 inches full travel on the fork. The shock is shown in blue, you can the length of the shock changes 2 inches from top to bottom of travel. The total fork travel shown is 4 inches. http://https://s6.postimg.org/adfccclhd/girder_geometry.jpg (https://postimages.org/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/07/17 at 12:46:02 What are you using for a shock? What rate spring? Will you be making changes to the steering rake? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/07/17 at 15:01:25 353F3B313A33373E606662520 wrote:
The shock is an air shock for a mountain bike. I don't have the specs for the one I have but spring rate is variable. They can be pressurized to make them stiffer and I think they are inherently progressive. With zero pressure it takes about 100 pounds to travel the first inch. And it's got two adjustments for damping, one for compression and one for rebound rate. I estimate the stock front spring rate to be about 130 pounds per inch by measuring travel and the weight on the front wheel. So I figure to match that I need to be in the 260 pounds/inch on my shock. I'm not sure the pressure it will take to achieve but that's well within the typical spring rates advertised for spring based MTB shocks. For this version to go with the stock frame I'm not changing the rake. I plan to run the stock wheel/axle/brake and fork length. If I like the way it rides I may change things up when I do the frame build. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/07/17 at 19:42:52 Committed to a sequence. Welding shrinks the tube about 0.004 inches but reaming out after remedies that. With this weld made I fitted the rest in my fixture. It all centers up nicely. So far so good. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/sz9dih0ap/image.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/j1ycpesot/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/08/17 at 05:30:08 The shock is an air shock for a mountain bike. I don't have the specs for the one I have but spring rate is variable. They can be pressurized to make them stiffer and I think they are inherently progressive. With zero pressure it takes about 100 pounds to travel the first inch. And it's got two adjustments for damping, one for compression and one for rebound rate. I estimate the stock front spring rate to be about 130 pounds per inch by measuring travel and the weight on the front wheel. So I figure to match that I need to be in the 260 pounds/inch on my shock. I'm not sure the pressure it will take to achieve but that's well within the typical spring rates advertised for spring based MTB shocks. For this version to go with the stock frame I'm not changing the rake. I plan to run the stock wheel/axle/brake and fork length. If I like the way it rides I may change things up when I do the frame build. The OEM spring are a dual rate progressive spring with an initial rate of 19 lbs-in ( 0.34kg/mm) from its static position to 4 inches and then 23 lbs-in (0.41 kg/mm) from 4 to 7 inches. On my cafe racer I'm using linear rate springs that are 40 lbs-in (0.70kg/m) each. I think you need to recalculate your spring rates as 260 lbs-in will be non-compliant. Also, I would also caution you on using a shock that is "air sprung". If the bladder fails at speed the bike will become unstable. A traditional coil would be a safer choice. Finally, I don't believe you want a dual rate spring for this application. Given the geometry of your linkage, your spring will inherently load-up during compression. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/08/17 at 10:49:10 040E0A000B02060F515753630 wrote:
I'm new to motorcycling and the savage so any input is appreciated. It's not entirely clear but I think stock spring rates are for individual springs? So there are two in play when installed in the forks, that would double the spring rate making it effectively about 40 lb/in measured at the end of the forks. I think I made a mistake in my stock fork spring rate, it looks like I might have missed any spring preload when installed in the fork. Is there a pre-load of the springs when installed in the forks? When I mentioned 260 lb in that's rate I estimate needing at the spring, the mechanical advantage in the shock linkage will decrease the rate to about 1/2 that when measured relative to fork travel. If the lowest spring rate of the air shock is 100 lb/in that turns into about 50 lb/in at the end of the fork which should put me in ballpark to match stock. The fact that I can change the spring rate is part of why I like the air spring. They make coil spring shocks that are physically interchangeable with air springs the only thing is the spring rate is fixed. If there's something about the performance of the air shock I dislike I can switch to a coil spring once I have a better idea of the best spring rate. I've tried to find info on failure modes for air shocks and it sounds like slow air or oil leakage is typical, rapid and sudden failure rare. So assuming it goes flat I'd end up at the extreme travel up with no suspension. The fork geometry actually increases the trail in this position. I'd imagine it's a rough ride but I'm not sure what would make it unstable? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/08/17 at 12:37:02 Yes, the rate is per spring. For a linear rate spring the rate remains consistent regardless of travel. For a multi-rate spring it is additive force. There is pre-load (typically 15mm), but that doesn't effect the rate of the spring. For my 40 in-lbs springs that total rate would be 80 in-lbs of force (lbf). I agree that having a variable air spring would be convenient for testing purposes, but as soon as you select a final rate I'd move towards a traditional shock. You'd be surprised how hot the oil in a shock or fork gets. Oil, having a much higher viscosity then air is more suited to cope with the heat. You may find that a MTB shock that was designed to support a 40 pound bike and 170 pound rider will not endure a 350 pound bike plus the rider. Not for long anyway. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by smokin_blue on 08/09/17 at 09:53:25 Gary, I agree it will be interesting to see how this functions with that shock but in your calculations you are forgetting the spring rate that the air of the stock fork adds to your stock set up. The compression of the air above the oil level will add to the spring rate of the physical spring. That is why the height of the oil is so critical. The added aspect that has to be taken into account (which Sandman has done) is to look at the lever arms of the design. His front end has very short lever arms holding up a much heavier bike and rider. The mountain bike and rider are lighter but the bike geometry has a much longer lever arm acting against the shock hence the high spring rate of it. With the very different mechanics involved in the three different designs the spring rates are not going to be close to equal. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/09/17 at 10:05:43 2937353133340538362F3F5A0 wrote:
Ah yes, very true...Blue. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/10/17 at 03:56:07 Triple clamps tacked and upper complete. The long pair of angles will also fixture the forks and allowed for alignment of the clamps to the neck. The long extension from the steering stem made alignment easier. The upper clamp is welded, lower clamp tacked and waiting disassembly for final weld. Hoping it holds tolerance well enough to allow press fit to steering stem. http://https://s28.postimg.cc/lsy52h4vx/IMG_0581.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/42wghfrax/) http://https://s28.postimg.cc/m4flf8lbx/IMG_0578.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/uzgfpra49/)http://https://s28.postimg.cc/5fe5jboql/IMG_0576.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/64wxvopa1/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/11/17 at 16:07:43 Thanks for the kind comments. I've been reluctant to acknowledge because I felt like I hadn't accomplished much of anything yet. I feel like if I can get the parts in this picture done I can build the rest. Still of lot of work to do for sure but so far so good. I think I have a decent press fit on the bottom clamp but I might go ahead and pin it too just to be sure. Thanks for the support. http://https://s7.postimg.org/qaybg1suj/IMG_0589.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/6t3o03vwn/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/14/17 at 04:21:48 Got the bushings turned and other fork parts ready for assembly. One is tacked up and roughly cut to length. http://https://s3.postimg.cc/8gdsw8nlv/IMG_0623.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/axpk3i7i7/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/19/17 at 04:20:34 Next fork partially assembled in fixture for tacking. The angle in the background sandwiches on top to locate all the bushing guides. http://https://s6.postimg.org/4tktoubpd/IMG_0649_2.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/cmbhgthod/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/21/17 at 10:30:56 Basic framework assembled. I need to thread the axles and get crown nuts to keep them in place. Moving on to the shock mount next. I clamped the wheel axle in a vise and tried to twist at the triple clamp area, it feels pretty rigid. Overall happy with the action. I think I will redesign the shock linkage to go for a bit more travel, shoot for 5 instead of 4 inches. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/zaw32n9oh/Full_Size_Render1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/vra5cu6yl/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 08/21/17 at 12:11:02 Nice. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/21/17 at 13:41:12 Blew me away a long time ago. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by DieselBob on 08/22/17 at 13:29:21 Beautiful workmanship. Although I was rather hoping you'd use some Savage parts for the links. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WZsqVJ3Vji0/TyH10gTnxVI/AAAAAAAAHRc/8peOuyBMhjg/s1600/dnepr_front-end_bobber.jpg |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/28/17 at 06:10:09 Sorry for no Savage parts, but thanks for the comments. Progress on shock mount assembly. Waiting on some bushings to assemble the linkage and fit to the forks. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/hr9h6tk1t/IMG_0685.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/aba7l0wcd/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/xbc9jm4sh/IMG_0687.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/jufb0qugt/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/e4z2gfoap/IMG_0688.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/3uwnh6yf1/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/01/17 at 18:51:00 Fitting the shock linkage to the fork linkage. Still have a few fixture pieces to make and may need to do some trimming on the upper clamp to let the upper bar in the shock linkage swing. I've pumped the shock to 60 psi and it firms up quite a bit. I think I'll end up within it's capabilities. http://https://s6.postimg.org/dt4r171kx/Full_Size_Render_19.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/einjdk24d/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by xaman on 09/01/17 at 18:56:09 Thanks for taking the time to show us the progress, I'm loving this thread. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 09/02/17 at 13:37:30 Is that a donor steering neck or are you going to weld it back on the frame ? If so please include some pics of how you jig it back on. Or did you set up jig before you cut it off ? I have an idea on how it's done but would really like to see it done ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/02/17 at 18:28:46 I'd weld plates inside each flat. Two on the frame, two on the headstock, drill and screw. Square it up, Weld. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/03/17 at 11:43:26 715657574F5A230 wrote:
It's kind of a donor. Smokin Blue had a wrecked Savage frame from his last build. He traded it to me for future work on welding and tank fab so I could keep my Savage on the road during the fork build. That way I can road test the fork on my Savage hopefully before winter arrives. Once the fork is road tested and winter set in my Savage frame gets chopped to essentially get the neck to preserve the VIN and motor serial on my title. It will get set in a rotisserie frame I built for my first bike project. See pics of the rotisserie below. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/hbho0c0ch/IMG_0509.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/al16qwd6l/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/ce43f7ydd/IMG_0508.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/7fgl0oukd/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/d1304qv9d/IMG_0518.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/5xv4p4ptp/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 09/03/17 at 11:58:11 You are a true craftsman ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/03/17 at 21:08:49 Did you have the frame on that when you cut it off? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/04/17 at 03:41:46 746B6D6A7770417141796B672C1E0 wrote:
No, just took the cut off wheel to it. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/04/17 at 03:45:40 587F7E7E66730A0 wrote:
Thanks. I look at it as finally getting around to things I liked to do as a kid :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 09/04/17 at 06:26:46 I'd like to have your "beer budget" tools! :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 09/04/17 at 09:29:13 Yes he has a interesting garage. I spotted something unfamiliar to me it's red & white and has the word Toro on it ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/04/17 at 19:19:23 Got the shock linkage test fit. It feels pretty solid. :) http://https://s6.postimg.cc/g9go99wap/IMG_0715.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/p4hijsl31/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/04/17 at 19:31:56 and a short video clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRsC5SxQJ7k&feature=youtu.be |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 09/04/17 at 23:02:49 Headlight mounting is going to be interesting. I sure he has it already figured out. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/06/17 at 19:39:18 Capped the fork tubes tonite. Cut a 16 gage disc and put a dome shape in it with a ball peen hammer then weld and blend smooth. Brake mounting lug next. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/7lh05gszl/IMG_0721.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/m4o56vm4d/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/10/17 at 03:11:17 Brake mounted. On to the headlight. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/snitpau2p/IMG_0732.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/or5htb931/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by LANCER on 09/10/17 at 03:22:47 I wonder why my welds don't come out like that ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 09/10/17 at 07:24:43 It's not too late, but I'd consider welding up the brake mount for the big brake kit. The OEM brake performance is nothing short of horrible. It fades almost as soon as it is squeezed and it doesn't seem to ever recover. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/10/17 at 15:21:24 Now just the some handle bars and a little wiring to get to a test drive. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/dsytov9vl/IMG_0740.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/uthpxjmwt/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/10/17 at 17:31:03 43494D474C454148161014240 wrote:
Compared to the drum brakes I'm used to it's they are great :) But to your point, my main goal is to road test the suspension design, I'll look into brakes on the final version, thanks for the ideas. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 09/10/17 at 17:38:35 Headlight is FUNKY ! I Love It ! It's perfect ! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 09/10/17 at 17:42:54 Don't you dare put turn signals on it. A tiny bright tail/brake light will be enough. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 09/10/17 at 17:57:19 I can't wait to see what you do with the frame. Hardtail ? So low it will bottom out on a garden hose ? A very interesting build ! We are glad you chose SS to showcase your build. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 09/11/17 at 10:12:48 Loving the progress, cant wait to see it mounted on the bike. Wondering if you may have clearance with the stock tank when you do your test ride. Something to consider when mocking up your bars. 0D000F0204135356610 wrote:
That's tig. It's like brazing with an arc welder. If you don't have one, you'll be hard pressed (as in pretty much impossible) to stack welds like that. This thread makes me want to buy one. The 110v mig I borrowed from my buddy for my project was pretty limited, but the price was right. It only cost me $100s in beer...so far! :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/11/17 at 11:15:08 557273736B7E070 wrote:
Hardtail. Low, within reason. Planning for lots of curves in the frame too. This looks like it's a great place, it won't be long and I'll have lots of questions as I get in chain swap and wiring and other things specific to the Savage. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/12/17 at 03:08:17 ohiomoto good catch on the tank interference, I didn't mention it yet but the top clamp interferes so I have a tiny test tank just to get it on the road. I'm hoping just another day or two to be ready for a test drive. I might trim the bars a bit once I fit the brakes and clutch levers. And yes, the mirrors are ugly, I just wanted to go around the block legally. By the way that's my first bike in the background. http://https://s6.postimg.org/jsvrk09fl/IMG_0745.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/59omilgal/) http://https://s6.postimg.org/a1ywderwh/Full_Size_Render_20.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/nivuwa27x/) http://https://s6.postimg.org/hc7wc76bl/IMG_0757.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/jgs9da7y5/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/13/17 at 18:10:11 I have had it out for a few test drives, can't go too far on liter of gas :) Feels pretty good. Started with the shock around 50 psi and worked up to about 160 psi. 50 was way too soft and 160 feels pretty good. I tested it on the bumpiest stretch of road nearby and it rides nice. 160 psi is right in the middle of the design for the shock so that's good I think. I think new tank that holds more than a liter is next. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by zipidachimp on 09/13/17 at 19:20:31 Terrific: you've accomplished what I've dreamed about for years: gracefully curved front forks!!! Curvy tank next? 8-) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 09/13/17 at 22:21:49 Wow , That's Freakin Kool , Simply Bada$$ ! Powder coat or chrome ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/14/17 at 03:01:13 31223B222F2A282322263B4B0 wrote:
Thanks. I think the next tank for this frame will be simply functional, the curvy one will come when I build the custom frame. I want to do top tubes above and below the tank so that probably means a split tank. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/14/17 at 03:06:19 012627273F2A530 wrote:
Thanks. Good question, I'm not sure yet. Bigger parts will probably be powder coated the same color as the rest of the frame. I was thinking I'd do an accent color or possibly chrome on some of smaller parts, like the shock linkage as it travels up and down quite a bit while the bike is moving. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/17/17 at 04:22:23 Temporary tank. It will hold 1.25 gal, a big upgrade over 1.5 pints I had to start :) Just need to figure out a mounting strap of some kind, there's a simple cradle connected to the top engine mount to support it. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/ktf0cabpd/IMG_0764.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4iewfyz7h/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/a7v50a5dt/IMG_0766.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/zdw3746nx/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 09/17/17 at 05:56:27 Cool temp tank. Are you a fabricator by trade? You designed and fabricated that fork pretty quickly (and confidently). Nice work. Is that a Rebel in the background. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/17/17 at 18:40:26 5750515755574C57380 wrote:
Thanks on the tank. Engineer by trade. I don't know about the confident part, it's been a fun challenge though. That's my first build in the background. It was a 95 Nighthawk. I cut the neck out the frame, used the stock fork and built the rest, some parts like the tank, fenders and seat got built more than once :-[ |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/18/17 at 10:00:45 6862666C676E6A633D3B3F0F0 wrote:
I still have not figured out the spring rate to air pressure relationship yet but I have put a few miles on. I've run at both 150 and 175 psi each for a 15-20 miles each. I can tell it's a bit stiffer at 175 psi. 175 psi give me a comfortable ride and is not too spongy when braking. It gets close to bottoming or maybe bottoms lightly when I hit the brakes hard. It's designed to run up to 280 psi so I think I'm in a comfortable range. Damping is set at a minimum for both extension and compression. I increased the compression damping from a 1 to a 2 on a scale of 4. It stiffened noticeably so I put it back at a 1 setting. I've touched it after riding the roughest paved road I could find nearby. The shock did not feel warm to the touch. So far, so good. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 09/18/17 at 10:48:36 Good input. Regarding the correlation between the air shock and a spring, its a simple matter of putting you air shock on a shock/spring dyno to see what rate spring would provide the same force as the air shock. While the air shock is working for testing purposes, I still think it's a good idea to replace it upon completion of the test phase to remove the single point of failure of the front suspension. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Hamman on 09/23/17 at 08:16:48 Beautiful work man! Love the craftsman ship and attention to detail. ;) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 09/23/17 at 15:04:23 Sandmanred, what did you do with the OEM forks? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/23/17 at 19:11:06 303A3E343F36323B656367570 wrote:
I just set them aside for now until I'm sure about the new front end. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/23/17 at 19:11:57 022B27272B244A0 wrote:
Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 09/24/17 at 06:31:43 5C4E414B424E415D4A4B2F0 wrote:
I just set them aside for now until I'm sure about the new front end. [/quote] If the forks are in good shape, send me a PM when you're ready to offload them. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gears on 09/30/17 at 12:38:56 That is a sweet looking setup. It reminds me of Voodoo custom's Relic front-end. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/02/17 at 03:47:44 I picked up 21 inch rims for both front and back. The front is a complete wheel/axle/brake assembly from an RMZ450. The back is a loose rim of the same size soon to go to Buchanan spoke along with the hub. To accept the new axle I needed to turn some hubs and shorten the forks a bit. I also had to bend the forks just a tad more to maintain offset at about 2.5 inches. Hubs and fixturing for re-welding shown. Brake caliper to arrive later this week http://https://s6.postimg.cc/688901gox/IMG_0801.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/hkkuhtpdp/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/qr3553um9/IMG_0803.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/qebqyxccd/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 10/02/17 at 05:21:50 Might want to get that RMZ450 motor to go with your wheels. LOL Proper board tracker wheels...nice! Loving this build so far. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/02/17 at 06:25:15 21 inch rear...I see a custom swingarm in the future. Since you are going yo have to weld a swingarm, I'd give consideration to fabricating the mounts a single shock. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 10/02/17 at 07:29:56 I think he mentioned a custom frame and I'm guessing it will be a somewhat traditional, hardtail board tracker frame. http://www.pipeburn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/4825598159_7b410c30a0_b.jpg |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/02/17 at 08:25:49 ...forgot about that... BTW, that's a nice looking bike. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/02/17 at 10:34:42 I've considered a mono-shock but have not been able to get a concept of the swing arm that I like. You really can't mess much with the swing arm pivot point unless you want to add a chain take-up and getting low frame lines that look good with that pivot position have so far not come to me. So for now I'm thinking hardtail. I'm thinking I will have many elements of a traditional frame; hardtail, downtube that loops under the engine, split tank with backbone exposed, and engine mount plates that sandwich the downtube under the engine. The shape (at least in my mind) will be more of modern interpretation of board tracker. I also plan to spring the seat with travel of 2-3 inches to protect my old back. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/03/17 at 18:58:11 Front tire mounted. It's a 90/100-21. Forks shortened from original about 2 inches, the new tire is about 2 inches bigger in diameter than stock. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/3nlyy8ipt/IMG_0806.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/u8ohtsl31/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by NHLS650 on 10/04/17 at 03:51:07 That's insane! What type of tank are you thinking about???? You could go minimalist, a tiny peanut tank, or cruise forever with a retro Harley double tank! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/05/17 at 04:05:25 A couple of my top inspiration bikes relative to the gas tank design. I like the split tank idea to leave me space for stuff i want to hide. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/gm5eia9xd/2015-sac-freestyle-class-1s.jpg (https://postimages.cc/) http://https://s6.postimg.cc/3w16571z5/6a5e75b7e2f01537dcfe717b30cf689b--custom-bobber-.jpg (https://postimages.cc/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 10/05/17 at 06:06:32 Good inspiration! I've had that Bonneville Customs (top photo) bookmarked for a while. Not that I would ever build something that nice. I don't have the tools and my skills aren't that advanced. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/09/17 at 19:13:46 21 inch wheel is mounted and balanced and got few miles on it. I got a used caliper for an RMZ 450 and got it mounted. I freaked out a bit on the first ride because the brake didn't grab too well. But after 20 miles or so it started to seat the pads on the disc a bit and it works ok now. I should have known that used pads and a used disc that are going to need time to wear in and probably should just replace them. It still squeals a bit occasionally but i have some organic pads on the way but will keep the disc for now as it looks pretty good. Time to set up the frame rotisserie. First piece is mounted :) o http://https://s6.postimg.cc/ppbv7j7z5/IMG_0819.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/3q5gkbr4t/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/s6nmet7b5/IMG_0820.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ozt2v6mv1/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/l3fqz6u5t/IMG_0821.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/r4dfw9grx/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/oaaaitu1d/IMG_0817.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/5uptlffwt/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/rh4u2gm75/IMG_0822.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4sfn2w4t9/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 10/09/17 at 20:05:13 Can you please take a pic of the bars while sitting on the bike ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/10/17 at 05:50:09 You've reached the "contraption" stage. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/12/17 at 03:33:47 7D5A5B5B43562F0 wrote:
From the riders point of view. This is with the camera about where my head in a riding position. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/et2kcvktd/IMG_0829.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/9uf1ych0d/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 10/13/17 at 21:00:55 They look just like I had imagined they look. Very cool. Gonna have to loose those mirrors ! ;D |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 10/13/17 at 23:20:37 Loving the progress. Looks about done to me. I mean the bungee cord is perfect. :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/16/17 at 03:50:07 Agreed, the mirrors will go eventually. The bungee on the other hand, we'll see :) Started on down tube. Got a few wrinkles in the tightest part of the bent but I think I can fill and smooth them with high temp filler or braze. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/yid1jkni9/IMG_0843.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/dlgtewph9/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/b4527ndap/IMG_0845_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/mt91vm499/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/aem9vakgx/IMG_0846_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/z7vtvy3h9/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 10/16/17 at 05:38:30 Love the cardboard engine. I know it's a PIA but if you cap the pipe at both ends weld a bung on one and fill it with water put at plug in bung your tight bends should be smoother as fluid can't be compressed just stay clear of plug while bending in case it decides to leave in a hurry ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/16/17 at 08:29:29 56717070687D040 wrote:
It is packed with sand. Not sure it really does too much but it sounds like a good idea. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 10/16/17 at 10:01:50 Yeah it's hard to get it perfect. One side wrinkles while the other side flattens out. On a tight curve cut pie slices out and then bend and weld it up. Or buy a very expensive bender ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 10/16/17 at 10:07:36 Whoops forgot to say I'm likin it already ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/19/17 at 19:33:25 Thanks for all the support. Tonight was working on an engine template. Decided I really need it to proceed on frame. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/yp5fupqz5/IMG_0855_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/kvh35nydp/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by snels516 on 10/20/17 at 06:11:26 Awesome progress. I’m really looking forward to following this build. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Hamman on 10/20/17 at 08:22:11 Wow! Awesome work. thanks for sharing :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/22/17 at 17:23:06 Almost at the point of no return. Stripped down the bike. Stripped down the rear hub and sent off to Buchanan Spoke and Rim for spokes. http://https://s1.postimg.cc/1dc0plcewf/IMG_0863.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/3jbfbd42nf/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 10/23/17 at 05:47:29 Buchanan $$$ but will be done right. Money well spent, especially with the 21" rim on a rear drum hub (most will be drilled for front disc hubs). |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 10/23/17 at 11:44:28 Where is Buchanan spoke & rim located ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by verslagen1 on 10/23/17 at 11:55:57 507776766E7B020 wrote:
Azusa CA |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 10/23/17 at 22:51:54 Good to know , Thanks Up north we use Wheelworks in Hayward,CA |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 10/24/17 at 06:20:19 I use Gary in NJ. I did get a custom spoke kit from Buchanan's. Get quality and communication. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/27/17 at 11:15:27 Small change in plans. I'm finding it too difficult to loop the downtube under the engine without raising the engine or losing too much ground clearance. I'm not able to high quality bends that tight myself. Plan to terminate down tube between the mounting plates with two through bolts and do the same for the tube that goes down from the seat area. Some progress on engine mounting plates. http://https://s1.postimg.org/8hub06pxdr/IMG_0874.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/1wch95lvej/)http://https://s1.postimg.cc/4r55ey24r3/IMG_0875_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/3klu6cd85n/)http://https://s1.postimg.cc/7wkndvxtyn/IMG_0877_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4k1xjih9m3/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 10/27/17 at 22:16:29 Cut the engine cradle off the old frame , then do your magic. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/28/17 at 03:09:31 16313030283D440 wrote:
I thought about using the old frame through the area where all the mounting points are. It would have saved a lot of time in fab and re-engineering foot pegs, kickstand, etc but I got bent on trying to mimic the board tracker look (pun intended :)). Looping the down tube under the engine was pretty common, a little less common is the plates that sandwich the engine. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 10/28/17 at 13:01:43 Actually just what I wanted to hear ! So maybe you could hack up that old frame and send me part of it ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/29/17 at 13:54:15 Rear axle mount complete. Added a little more adjustability compared to previous. Also had to extend the rotisserie. This one is getting a bit longer than I expected. Now on to final frame design. http://https://s6.postimg.org/exxn1v46p/IMG_0886(1).jpg (https://postimg.org/image/wnzbmwhrh/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/29/17 at 17:43:22 Something like this I'm thinking. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/jvft09dep/IMG_0893.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/8j37ih4pp/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/30/17 at 03:18:08 The point of no return :) http://https://s6.postimg.cc/q9e2vh2ch/IMG_0895.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/jvozs7xgd/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/qywv7uibl/IMG_0896.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/csh4cm7gd/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/6rjffjd4h/IMG_0897.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/8jceafwh9/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/31/17 at 20:01:52 Another slight revision of frame lines. Rough fit of downtube. There will be one more bolt through engine plates. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/ybze463rl/IMG_0893_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/z1i6gj4b1/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/xmglrsvi9/IMG_0899.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/df35zhy0t/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/jg0uwkcxd/IMG_0900.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/jss92qv71/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 10/31/17 at 20:56:36 Oh Mr. Sandman bring me a dream ! Lookin Good ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by LANCER on 10/31/17 at 21:02:13 Sexy curvy lines like a womans hips. ::) ;D |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/01/17 at 15:04:38 Wire is such a great tool. You're rocking.. keep posting pics, please. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/01/17 at 19:25:16 Thanks again for the comments, help and encouragement. Tonites progress on fitting of the downtube to the engine cradle. Welded in the flats that make the transition from the larger tube, just about ready to start tacking it together. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/8bzbr6k4x/IMG_0909.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/n7xuyrvjh/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/02/17 at 05:32:22 Are the foot controls going to attach to the side plates ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/02/17 at 07:20:51 042322223A2F560 wrote:
Yes. I don't have a complete plan yet but I'm thinking I will re-use or re-create the stock mechanisms and attach them using the same long bolts that go through the engine on the stock bike. I may have to have another through bolt from plate to plate in the roughly the same location as third bolt on the kickstand side. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/02/17 at 10:07:18 Brilliant |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/02/17 at 19:48:40 Seat tube partially fitted. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/x4cq3tky9/IMG_0912.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/xtvig6lhp/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/gtcm7ig69/IMG_0913.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/8b36369nh/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by zipidachimp on 11/04/17 at 12:57:32 beautiful workmanship, +1. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/06/17 at 19:42:47 Cut and shaped rear axle plates. I decided to keep them the same shape even though I only need the elongated one on the brake stay. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/sl1el3iyp/IMG_0933.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/8qfcyz3r1/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/5wc7lj9ap/IMG_0934.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/lukxbo3il/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/06/17 at 20:31:31 Where did you learn all this stuff ? Fabrication is very difficult for me , but I build engines & transmissions like its nothing. We all have different skills , but I am jealous of your skills. Your knowledge of how to build jigs is next level. Yeah I have a list of "next level builders" and your now on it. Kinda sucks I'm not on my list,maybe some day , think I need a few more tough builds under my belt before I can join the club ! Impressive ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/07/17 at 04:13:12 7A5D5C5C4451280 wrote:
Thanks. How? I've always loved to build things and I'm just dumb enough to see something and think hey, I could do that. I like the challenge of creating things with simple tools and techniques. I started metal working in earnest about 6-7 years ago, I'd always liked it as a kid and finally had the time to spend more time on that kind of thing. But I've always like to build things. I think the hardest part of any craft is learning the patience to do each step well and not rush to part where you get the finished product. I've learned that one the hard way too many times. So I came to metalworking with some of that patience, most of the time anyways. Those plates in the last picture were shaped with cut off wheel, depressed center grinding wheel and a stationary belt sander. Duplicate shapes were created by stacking and shaping as one. So nothing fancy, just some simple tools. Lucky for me I have access to mill at work, the slots were done after hours there. As for the fixturing I start by imagining what I want it to do, how many directions of adjustments and and how many degrees of freedom will be loose at one time. Then go to my scrap pile and see what I have to work with. Then sketch and doodle until I come up with something. I always like to engineer things on paper first but sometimes the ideas don't come until you start to put it together. You've got that passion, that's the first thing you need. From there it's giving it try. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/07/17 at 19:33:19 Rear wheel came back loose laced from Buchanan today. Trued tonite. That's the stock rear rim in front of the new rear wheel! Also started first welds on the down tube of the frame. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/jzl3wvi29/IMG_0937.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/hv0qvsgfh/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/w1ghr0jkx/IMG_0939_2.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/d94mnfn6l/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/x3qo9juoh/IMG_0941.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/41ce6q8el/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/8zzwl9zcx/IMG_0942_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4e3scxdtp/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/10/17 at 06:46:14 I imagine you'll be running a chain instead of belt ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/10/17 at 12:05:35 311617170F1A630 wrote:
Yes. I picked up a 14 tooth for the front and a 49 tooth for the back. I see there's a lot of folks that like to go with less reduction in final drive compared to stock but I didn't mind the stock ratio and I'm increasing tire diameter substantially. My hope is to be close to stock final drive when you consider the tire size change. I don't know link count yet but I'm guessing it could be in the 130 link range so the belt had to go. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/10/17 at 12:37:24 If not I got a 52 I'm not using. 14 is awful small. 530 chain ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/10/17 at 15:24:48 5D7A7B7B63760F0 wrote:
I plan on 530 but will wait until know the length. 14 probably is small for a stock tire but I'm going from about a 24 inch diameter to 28 inch diameter tire. I thought about going 15/52 but the next rear one down is 50 so I figured I have more options to up or down a tooth with 14/49 |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/10/17 at 19:13:54 Fitted backbone. Maybe still a bit of fine tuning but managed to cope the top and miter the other end with a decent fit on both ends. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/j9gbe7r0h/IMG_0955.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/7x3pwfibh/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/10/17 at 19:58:43 A 14 you will be shifting all the time and you won't even feel the difference between 4th & 5th. I went from a 18 to a 17 and it felt like I had two 4th gears. RYCA claims the 18/52 is very close to stock. I like lower gearing for test n tune , think my final will be 18/51. The taller tire will make a big difference but these engine have the torque to pull it but you might run out of motor on a wot pull! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 11/11/17 at 10:18:57 Keep in mind he's got that big wheel to put on there. He's looking at ~ 16% difference in circumference. Loving the progress. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/11/17 at 11:36:24 I understand that but a 14 will render 5th gear as useless unless it gets some serious engine mods. But with a 21" rear wheel with good gearing , doing the ton should be easy ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/11/17 at 11:38:42 I can't wait to see the tank ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/11/17 at 15:41:33 Frame loop fit, tacked and welded. I shrunk up a bit but not too bad, engine plate spread it no problem. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/4ugrycco1/IMG_0959.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4hpds5ue5/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/op2tkgk5t/IMG_0961_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/uq0ihj6rx/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/w5236905d/IMG_0962.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/nzk183bwd/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/11/17 at 15:44:06 5B7C7D7D6570090 wrote:
Me either! Actually I'm planning two tanks, one on each side of the backbone leaving the top half of the backbone exposed. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/11/17 at 19:13:39 One tank for gas and the other for BEER ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/19/17 at 13:55:28 Start on the rear of the frame. Fabbed a more portable bender to be able to bring the bender to the frame. I also hoped it would let me put bends closer together but it's only marginally better than the stationary bender at that. http://https://s8.postimg.cc/82dfz3hit/IMG_0976_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ha5ofsokx/)http://https://s8.postimg.cc/3t8pwxlz9/IMG_0977.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/6akh475vl/)http://https://s8.postimg.cc/v3u14uwlx/IMG_0979.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/o0m5p8r69/)http://https://s8.postimg.cc/8rw8bhcxh/IMG_0980.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ip794jkj5/)http://https://s8.postimg.cc/94nmho2x1/IMG_0978.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/460434z41/)http://https://s8.postimg.cc/cbi61a7xh/IMG_0982.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/rk83f21lt/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/19/17 at 15:10:56 Can't wait to see it ready for the road. Very cool stuff. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 11/20/17 at 06:20:22 Just because I don't comment doesn't mean I'm not loving this build. Keep the photos coming please. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/20/17 at 10:11:44 Are you going to web area behind steering head & rear of top tube ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 11/20/17 at 10:17:17 I'm with Gary. Loving this build. Just trying not to clutter the F@@K out of this thread. :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Dave on 11/20/17 at 10:29:40 52585C565D545059070105350 wrote:
Yep...me too! Sometimes I just want to sit back and watch the show! :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/20/17 at 15:18:11 I like this build and I know I'm not the only one jealous of his talent! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/20/17 at 15:43:42 47606161796C150 wrote:
Yes. I plan to gusset that area both to stiffen the frame and to provide an area to mount the tank halves. Current thinking is to make 3 bayonets (for lack of a better word) to go on the flat side of each tank and point forward that will anchor the tank halves to the frame. Cushioned pockets will accept the bayonets and be mounted to those gussets. Then all I have to do is one fastener per tank to keep the bayonets in the pockets on the frame. I'll do my best to keep the pictures coming :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/20/17 at 19:05:53 His thinking is way ahead of mine ;D |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/20/17 at 19:48:10 Start of top wishbone. Found some 1 inch carriage bolt that make nice end caps, grind off label, hack off the head and weld on with no filler. I plan to have these saddle up parallel to the top tube so the upper end gets finished off so I can weld around the whole connection. http://https://s8.postimg.org/mvb3mo2qt/IMG_0997.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/sjhedk735/)http://https://s8.postimg.org/cl8onfsat/IMG_0998.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/qex1chkw1/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/22/17 at 19:43:40 Thanks again for the support. First piece of upper wishbone in progress. I'd sooner define shape from a drawing rather than in steel but my drafting skills can't handle these curves. I think I have some revisions in both sets of wishbones and the axle plates but overall I'm happy with how the lines are coming. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/kcktfg41d/IMG_1005.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/hiho201v1/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/22/17 at 19:47:11 OH my , that's just plain motorcycle PORN ! XXX Very Sexy |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/24/17 at 18:04:30 I added a bit to the edges of the axle plates to allow about a 5 degree angle in the tubes, I didn't like the look of the flat connection area. All roughed in with some tweaking left to get final fit followed by cut and cap of tubes. http://https://s6.postimg.org/rrszag31d/IMG_1019.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/4dkzyil3x/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/3o27m5cup/IMG_1020.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/65dytewr1/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/25/17 at 04:28:22 Brake tab. It got a little chunky but it's one thing I don't want to fall off or bend ;) http://https://s6.postimg.cc/4qlkw7d0h/IMG_1022_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/s4tk84uxp/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/25/17 at 05:00:27 The tab is important ,but only has to harness the Torque of the friction caused by the tire. And that's not a bunch. The cast aluminum that engages the tab is plenty stout for the job. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/25/17 at 10:28:00 Wheels soon 8-) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 11/26/17 at 11:41:50 There are many talented and brilliant folks on this site. This build has been one of the more interesting to follow, just because of how unique the bike is going to be and the "from scratch" methodology. Really enjoying the little aspects you are showing when picking things out of the pile and otherwise making bits fit or work together. Been watching it along and also not trying to clutter the thread. But just couldn't resist chiming in. Definitely Thankful for this board. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/27/17 at 20:22:06 Wheels! Still some tweaks on the fit in axle area, need to short the spacer on the drive side a bit. Chain will be close to top wishbone but should be okay. Kickstand next. Then a smaller bar under the backbone to carry electrics and a seat. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/d6g7ayrdt/IMG_1034.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/mqztxugpp/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 11/27/17 at 21:03:31 Nice! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/27/17 at 21:17:53 Maybe a dummy oil tank to hide the electrics. That's waay cool looking , long & low , the frame matches the forks perfectly , outstanding vision ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by smokin_blue on 11/29/17 at 09:35:27 You had better roll over those speed bumps nice and sloooow.. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/29/17 at 12:32:02 Looks like he might have trouble getting over a garden hose let alone a speed bump ! ;D |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 11/29/17 at 12:47:02 Silliness. There appears to be a good 4" of ground clearance there. Plenty for road bike. The frame/suspension design allows for 0" of squat. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by batman on 11/29/17 at 13:24:52 Does that mean he has no front suspension ,that's the only way to have 0 squat. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 11/29/17 at 13:56:24 3E3D28313D3268645C0 wrote:
The front suspension doesn't have telescoping forks, it's a telelever design. Brake as hard as you want...zero fork dive. BMW has been using this design on their high-end models for decades. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/29/17 at 19:53:46 To the braking and ground clearance questions; there's about 4.5 inches of clearance at rest at the lowest point. The forks have about 4.5 inches of linear travel which translates to just under 4 inches vertical travel. I was a bit worried about clearance on full fork compression so I deflated the air shock and measured about 3 inches under the engine cradle. I don't expect to be off road so I think I'll be okay ;) Tonites project was finishing up the kickstand. Thanks to Smokin Blue for facing off and dimensioning the pivot tube. The handle bars are what I ran this fall for shake down. They will get re-done once the tanks are done. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/69dcdqrpt/IMG_1037.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/cn2fgzwlp/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/mx4ug8u75/IMG_1038.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/p1p7hbvtp/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/44szco5ip/IMG_1039.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ermsi3dnx/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Dave on 11/30/17 at 05:37:06 The bike looks great and is a work of art......and maybe I should just keep watching the show and keep my mouth shut........but I am a bit of a worrier at times.....I sure would hate to see you go too much farther along without trying a fit of the "real engine in the new frame. I would want to be sure you can get the engine in the mount you made without any problems with alignment of the sprockets or clearance issues. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/30/17 at 07:05:04 1B202D3A2B273C3A2129243B480 wrote:
You must be a mind reader :) Though the engine template was made from the Savage frame and I have fitted the pattern that made the engine plates to the engine I have yet to push bolts through and connect the finished plates to both sides of the engine. I have the chain and sprockets on order and plan to do exactly as you suggest and check fitment of engine, chain and sprockets shortly. I plan tack cross-members in both rear wishbones to carry a rear fender but only final weld after all above is fitted. Thanks for watching! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 11/30/17 at 10:04:44 I would be hanging your thin engine on the wall ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by smokin_blue on 11/30/17 at 10:26:13 add a set of pedals and he can call it done! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 11/30/17 at 11:32:41 No poop smokin! That rear triangle reminds me of some very expensive handmade steel bicycle frames where those curves are there to help give a bike a more compliant ride. Sandmanred might end up with one of the most comfortable hardtails in existence. :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/30/17 at 11:42:40 7E79787E7C7E657E110 wrote:
After all the drive train fitting the seat is next. It's surprising how rigid that frame is, I thought it would flex more. So I plan to use another air shock for the seat with a travel of 2.5 inches. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 11/30/17 at 20:33:38 It's always stiff when it's sitting still. Mount the motor, put you ass in the saddle and put in motion! Ha, ha. I'm sure it will have some compliance, but it's still a hardtail. :) The decreased approach angle of those big wheels and the long, curvy rear end will surely take the edge off of things. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/01/17 at 19:58:31 Fitting cross-members on wishbones. Only tacked until chain, sprockets and motor are fit. Waiting delivery of chain and sprockets. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/3s6n3ggo1/IMG_1044_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4ugtlzzh9/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/a5vq6pdu9/IMG_1043_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/sy7laaa8d/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by smokin_blue on 12/02/17 at 09:11:05 What are you using to cope your joints so nicely? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/02/17 at 13:56:59 425C5E5A585F6E535D4454310 wrote:
Normally a hole saw on an HF tubing notcher. In the case of the pic above the geometry doesn't let me fit in the notcher so I had to scribe, grind, repeat until I got fit. Its a right angle grinder and I usually use a depressed center grinding wheel for coping. These ones were a little tricky as there is a center line to the part that needs to land on the center line of the bike and there is fit required on both ends so I just kept nibbling away until I got what I wanted. And the kicker is the upper cross probably needs to move forward to clear the chain so I get to do it again ;) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/03/17 at 19:24:57 Started on the seat while I was waiting on sprockets and chain. This frame will be slung with a wet formed heavy leather riveted to the flats on the front and back of the seat frame, old style bicycle seat construction. We'll see how it goes. Last bike took me 5 tries to get a seat I liked... Air shock for suspension to angle from roughly the center of the bottom seat tube to the vertical piece in front of it. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/47rk7ggc1/IMG_1045_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/9vxuyckod/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/4kiydmj69/IMG_1048.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ncuth7fkd/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/ehtz6oyht/IMG_1046.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/i1fwwi17h/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/05/17 at 19:29:18 Let's call this a rough draft of the seat. Used duct tape to make a temporary sling. Fits my bum pretty good just no room for the leather to stretch at all or my tail bone hits the support frame. Need to re-do the seat support frame to allow for some stretch and maybe lower the back edge of the seat just a tad. I'm going let this rest for bit and go on to fitting the sprockets and chain. http://https://s6.postimg.org/ngki2xk9t/IMG_1051.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/gq40thx3x/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/06/17 at 19:41:12 Engine fits :) http://https://s6.postimg.cc/gcgxihay9/IMG_1053_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/exfctr9v1/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/504c0p9z5/IMG_1054.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4aljoc9fh/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/kyd1qtorl/IMG_1055.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/6rxavldwd/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by JLC on 12/06/17 at 20:31:35 Very cool! :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 12/13/17 at 19:40:40 Been a week without pics. That's like a year without Santa!! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/13/17 at 20:10:01 32353432303229325D0 wrote:
Here you go! Chain fitting. Close but I want to think OK. It's got to go about 1 1/4 inches to slap any frame members. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/mhj09eowx/IMG_1074.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/l2hfkontp/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/i8ea78tdd/IMG_1076.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/hvmw12b3h/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/66iwd3rup/IMG_1077.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/l2hfkp399/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/c55wercpd/IMG_1078.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/owk2l9mh9/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 12/13/17 at 20:13:47 That's a lot of chain ! Gonna use a tensioner ? That bike is gonna turn some heads and your gonna get a million questions whenever you stop somewhere. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/14/17 at 03:42:49 17303131293C450 wrote:
144 links :) I think I'll start without a tensioner and see how it runs in shake down. If I need one I can mount it to the bottom cross member. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 12/14/17 at 05:14:43 Under load the top side of the chain will be tight but the bottom will sag a bit. If it sags 1-1/4" your chain is too lose anyway. A tensioner will add to its mechanical mayhem look, but detract from its simplicity. Figgin' looks great. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Dave on 12/14/17 at 05:36:30 Those clearances between the chain and frame look a little tight - I do believe you are going to need to use guides.....and/or a tensioner. I believe that most builders don't put guides/tensioners on because they look cool - they put them on because they are necessary! This is a bit of an extreme video - but it does show how a chain flops around. During the acceleration the top is tight and the bottom is loose - then as the bike is slowing down the bottom becomes tight and the top becomes loose. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ZsWwQ072E [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ZsWwQ072E[/media] |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 12/14/17 at 06:15:38 Great video. You can see with every gear change how the tension changes. Yeah, maybe a guide such that is used on an MX bike. They are typically UHMW plastic sandwiched between a metal (aluminum) structure. I'm sure you could weld up something cool to hold some UHMW. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/14/17 at 06:44:53 Thanks for the videos and input. I'm guessing he's running bit more HP in that video than the 650 but point taken, the slack side is more likely to slap around especially with my slender extended frame. I had to do a UHMW guide on my last bike because I got too close to a side cover on the upper chain pass. It will slap against it at low speed and low power, especially if you hit any bumps. The chain still just kisses the cover from time to time but the UHMW pad suppresses the noise to the point that I can't even hear it. Adding a UHMW cushion will be my first solution if I get chain slap on either side. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 12/14/17 at 06:51:59 With the transmission in first gear you can apply tension on the chain and see how close the chain comes to the frame. Since this is a hard tail motorcycle, you don't need more than an inch of free play. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by smokin_blue on 12/16/17 at 10:55:31 Actually the play can be kept quite low since there is no swingarm movement the need for standard play is minimized to eliminated. Where it will start to show is if the chain starts to stretch unevenly as you start to run the bike then you will end up with loose spots and will need to really watch the tight ones when adjusting the chain slack. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/16/17 at 12:13:47 A pic level with the bottom frame members would help us see how much room you have. Where the frame crosses under the chain and then the curved tailpiece member crosses in front of the tire, there's a place for a tidy, spring loaded, custom made gizmo. Adjustable spring tension isn't hard, tedious, yeah.. I have used bits of cutting board with success. Not for a tensioner, But you can build and test until you're satisfied with the design cheap. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/16/17 at 16:10:32 Here's the shot from down low. Followed by the upper engine mount. It's just fitted for now, will tack it later. It's the only straight frame piece other than the neck, if it was going to show I would have had to curve it ;) http://https://s6.postimg.cc/nzip9nerl/IMG_1082.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/w50r7t30d/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/slethzskx/IMG_1083.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/rj4mzg9rh/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/93k622b2p/IMG_1084.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/yz3wl9cwd/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 12/16/17 at 20:24:03 Will the tanks hide that straight tube ? It does look weird with no curve in it. But the rest is bad ass$ ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/17/17 at 03:55:31 012627273F2A530 wrote:
Yep, tanks should cover it |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Armen on 12/17/17 at 07:42:06 Great work! Thanks for sharing! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 12/19/17 at 13:27:50 I'm so hooked on this build thread. It's hard when waiting more than a day for updates! Just great work, man. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/21/17 at 03:34:20 Threaded mounting points for battery/electrics tacked in place. Still flip flopping on whether to try to disguise battery/electrics in a fake oil tank or just leave them out in the open. Currently leaning towards the fake oil tank. These mounts should work either way. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/m7q8rtydt/IMG_1090.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4ufycz32l/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/44x60ifcx/IMG_1092.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/qtmd02wql/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 12/21/17 at 05:36:58 My vote (not that I have one) would be to hide the electronics in a fake oil tank. To support the illusion, you can run your wires in SS braided oil lines. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 12/21/17 at 06:08:12 Fake oil bag I use a deltran 240cca lithium battery very small & light |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/22/17 at 14:00:34 I think the oil tank will be the cleanest look and protect the electrics from dirt and water. That's the direction for now. But for now back to the seat. First attempt put the seat sling right down on the seat frame, any stretch in the sling and I'd be sitting on a piece of tubing. I also needed to incorporate a clevis to attach the air shock for the seat suspension. Red line in the pic is the profile of the seat sling. http://https://s6.postimg.org/l5ywbed41/IMG_1096.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/5khkrg15p/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/m4jurk5kx/IMG_1098.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/c78tyhxz1/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/27/17 at 17:20:52 Seat tacked in place with air shock. A little less travel than I planned for but still way more than coil springs, plus the ability to tune the spring rate and damping. Leather sling or saddle comes next. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/ibeahg4wx/IMG_1112.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/pem5x2acd/) Video link to the action. Note that pressure in the air shock is very low just to demonstrate the range of motion. 75 psi increases the spring to about where I expect to run and makes it so my weight alone just starts to compress the spring. They say sag should be about 1/4 of the travel. This is about 2 3/4 inch travel at the back edge of the seat. https://youtu.be/61ImuQBraPU |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/27/17 at 19:15:26 That's what I'm talking abotu! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/29/17 at 14:39:07 Some progress on the leather. Wet forming is not too difficult but I found out if you clamp the pressure needs to be well distributed. It dents easily when wet and does not relax even with re-wetting. Drying on convection at very low temperature seems to work okay. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/5ov5d04rl/IMG_1115.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/it0ppowt9/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/sdkccktv5/IMG_1116.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/wmp2eqx4d/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 12/29/17 at 19:05:52 Will you oil the leather when it's done ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/29/17 at 20:08:20 7F58595941542D0 wrote:
Yes, started finishing today. I plan to dye it and then waterproof it. Dyeing didn't go too well :(. The front or top accepted the dye reasonably well but the back drank it up. I splashed some on the back to try to get it on as it was soaking in so fast and I was struggling to get even and that was a big mistake. It soaked right through to the front. It's not as bad now a after drying for a few hours but it's pretty uneven. I'll sleep on it and decide what to later. I might re-make the sling or try to salvage by going darker or just leave it for a while, plenty of other things to do and it's certainly good enough for shakedown runs. The screws are temporary, once I get it finished I'll use copper rivets. http://https://s6.postimg.org/65kycwmyp/IMG_1123.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/mgl297zgd/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Dave on 12/30/17 at 03:17:59 If you can't get the dye corrected - maybe you could glue a thin stretchable layer of leather on top to provide the visible finish. You could stay with the simple brown - or find something with a pattern like snake.....or with fur! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/30/17 at 10:46:44 I'm not a leather working guy,but it looks like natural oils are in it where the stain didn't go. Talk to someone who does leather for a living. Or, hit the leather with something that would knock out oil. Or, go with a veneer, |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Oldfeller on 12/30/17 at 11:04:19 Put your butt on it and ride it -- it will change over time and weather to be what it is going to be anyway which is an ever changing gradient of color according to rain, sweat, pop can condensation rings, etc. etc. Use of a shoe leather stain will change the density of the tone, temporarily. So will preservative neat's foot oil and rain water. When you oil it or wax it periodically to keep it from cracking you will bring out the natural finish that your butt rubbing on it will polish up very nicely. Natural leather is not something commonly seen on seats for a reason -- folks will think it has lots of real character over time ...... Be aware that whatever you put on it is going onto and into your pants seat and legs ..... |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/30/17 at 14:06:16 It got a little better with another coat. Good enough to let it be for now. If I was to do it over there would a bunch of things I'd do different but it's actually pretty comfortable especially supported by the air shock. There are rings at the edges of the areas I slopped it on the back that probably won't ever even out. They have topcoats that range from oils and waxes to acrylics and laquers. I'm think laquer is a pretty good choice for the bottom and edges but might go with a wax or an acrylic on top, the laquer looks kind of faky. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/nnchnyxup/IMG_1127.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/gk4m8csf1/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/31/17 at 06:56:02 Mink oil and blue jeans. Ride it/ |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/01/18 at 15:49:21 Smokin Blue stopped by the other day to take a look and among all his other valuable input gave me a concept that got me fired up about handle bars. So even though it's frickin cold in the garage I got a first draft started. As with some of the other elements of the build this is something that's not easy to for me to draw on paper so I'm drafting in steel again :) If I can get a geometry that's pleasing for looks and grip I'll clean up and cap the point with carriage bolt head to finish it off. http://https://s6.postimg.org/flf2evxu9/IMG_1139.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/aa05u6brh/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/dtm3jzm75/IMG_1140.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/ydqxih1y5/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/06/18 at 14:02:59 Version one bars tacked in place. I was thinking about rotating them forward a bit more but this is the limit with them capped to a point. I would have to cut the tip off and cap them separately if I want them set higher. Thoughts? http://https://s6.postimg.cc/94kidx341/IMG_1150.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/5876hxi4d/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/qum6yxtjl/IMG_1151.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4ioe5jufh/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/7005cttrl/IMG_1152.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/iccqum2gd/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/u1gqiklpd/IMG_1153.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/z048x3pi5/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by badwolf on 01/06/18 at 16:02:18 Looks LOW!!What is the seat height, freestanding, and sitting on it? Post a picture sitting on it so we can see where you have to reach to grip the bars. Sometimes things that look ''cool'', or ''right'' just don't work out after 50 miles down the road. (apehangers come to mind) The old board track racers had low swept back bars to get the rider down and out of the wind, and they never had to turn them very far cause of the banking, they would hit the tank. Clip-ons weren't thought of yet. I know you are going for the boardtrack style, not a exact replica. The tank is where you will be challenged to look period, but still be useful however you intend on riding it. Are you going with a hand shiftier and foot clutch? Looks awesome so far! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/06/18 at 17:09:30 Seat is about 24-25 inches off the ground. This about the forward lean I like, enough you don't have to pull against the wind at cruising speed. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/m1717qu4h/IMG_1155.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/wo0ud629p/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/8ka2ovrip/IMG_1165.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/mqptk42dp/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/9mk97fprl/IMG_1161.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/fnhy4icdp/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/06/18 at 17:13:36 I wish I could express what it feels like to see you have it so far along so quickly. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by badwolf on 01/06/18 at 17:41:31 Those bars look like they fit you very well! Where will the pegs/boards go? Forward for comfort, or mid-bike, or under you? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 01/06/18 at 21:23:25 So very cool , you must be itchin to ride it ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/07/18 at 03:22:00 2321322C323028212932400 wrote:
Thanks for looking. And thanks to all that take the time to comment. Pegs will probably go forward. I'm know I'm ditching the stock pegs. Not sure just yet how I'll configure the peg brackets but you gotta think they'll have some curves ;) I'll be thinking about the design of them while I move on to the tanks. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/07/18 at 07:17:15 Those pictures in my mind that help me build stuff come easy just before I drift off to sleep. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 01/07/18 at 10:13:43 Good to see a pic of you sitting on the bike. It really gives us a feel for the scale and flow of the design elements. It's lookin' so flippin' cool. I really like the lines and the choices you made in wheel size, wheel base etc. Anxious for more! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 01/08/18 at 06:52:59 Love it. Keep on truckin! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 01/08/18 at 09:13:44 That bike is going to be breathtaking. I like the handlebars, but I'd like to see a small C brace between the bars...kind of the same style as the upper rear brace in the swingarm. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/08/18 at 10:14:16 2C262228232A2E27797F7B4B0 wrote:
For looks or for strength? I'm still not sure about a speedometer but a cross brace would make a good place to mount it. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 01/08/18 at 10:29:28 Strength. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by LANCER on 01/09/18 at 07:14:31 How much does your bike in its current configuration weigh ? If you have not weighed it yet, can you pop a scale under the front and rear wheel for an approximate weight ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/09/18 at 08:58:51 Best data I have in puts it around 265 lbs as it sits in the latest pictures but that's a sum of estimates and a few small flat-out guesses. I'll try to get it on a scale tonite, I'm curious too. I confirmed with scale that it currently stands at 265 pounds as close as I can tell with balancing the bike and reading the scale. Need to add battery, headlight, wiring harness, brake cable and lines, mirrors, foot pegs and gas tanks. I expect to be in the 300 range when done? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/09/18 at 19:23:12 Thanks again for the interest, suggestions and comments! Next up is the tank buck or at least the tank profile. I will try to keep it narrow, not more than 10-10.5 inches at the widest. I expect this will give me about 1.25 gal per side at a minimum, if I can get 1.5 per side that would be better. I need to get the profile fit so I can put the frame back on the rotisserie and finish weld all the bits and bobs that are only tacked right now. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/euezn6x1t/IMG_1171.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/cd38fxd59/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by JLC on 01/09/18 at 20:38:04 Nice tank shape. Fits the theme. Very impressive project altogether. Thanks for sharing. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 01/10/18 at 06:02:29 Where will the fuel petcock(s) go? I would guess towards the rear. You'll loose some usable capacity in the front due to the constant radius. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/10/18 at 06:15:11 303A3E343F36323B656367570 wrote:
Good question. I was thinking rear too. I am thinking a single petcock on each and run off one at a time. A forward location would push fuel forward when the engine sputters but also might starve it on acceleration. That's why I'm thinking rear location is the best. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 01/10/18 at 06:28:41 Looking great. The only thing I'm seeing so far is that the seat looks a like it might be a little wide, but maybe the finished tanks will balance it out. Still, a long skinny bike with tall skinny wheels...you know? I would probably spend a little extra time with some foam insulation board experimenting with the width of the tanks until you are happy with the look. To me, you're at the point where you can easily ruin it. That said, you've nailed everything else so I'm sure you'll make it look great. Here is a picture I took of an old board tracker at Cleveland Fuel this summer. (Not that you would want a seat that small.) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 01/10/18 at 06:33:50 Looking at your seat, I would maybe like to see the rear support arched down. That would give it a more authentic look while keeping it at a reasonable size for comfort. Also, here is another picture I took. I thought the way they tensioned the chain was pretty cool. Slide the idler pulley as needed using the angle built into the frame...done! Very simple and very cool. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 01/10/18 at 06:39:43 Better shot at full size. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by badwolf on 01/10/18 at 07:09:00 With the tank(s), you don't have to carry the side profile all the way to thru to the inside. Will they be steel or fiberglass? Glass gives you a lot more design options, unless you are really good with sheetmetal. Don't forget, you can put crossover lines between the 2 tanks, and a in-line shutoff can be hidden to look much cleaner. Also, before you do all your final welding think about your wiring. You could run some flex tubing or hose inside to hide some wires. Keep up the great work, and keep those pictures coming. On a side note; I learned building a airplane at home that when you are 90% done, you only have 90% more to go! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by badwolf on 01/10/18 at 07:12:46 Damm, a foot AND hand shifter! That's a LOT of extra work! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 01/10/18 at 08:45:20 If you are talking about that picture I posted, it's a foot clutch and hand shifter. You would be reaching right below your left leg to shift. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/10/18 at 08:47:05 To the seat width concern I agree it could be too wide right now. My butt only hits about 6-8 inches of the width and it's a little over 12 inches wide. It's easy to trim down both the leather and frame if I want to go narrower. I'm waiting to see how it looks with the tank before trimming as it's a lot more work to put it back than it is to take it off :) It's not so easy to change the back rim shape on the seat, it won't bend in a predictable way anymore due to the flange so I'd have to replace it and re-do the leather. If I re-build it in the future there's a chance to re-do the curve of the back rim. The tanks will be aluminum. I'll build the buck of plywood stations and cover it with tape to confirm I like the shape and generate patterns for the sheet metal. This following pic shows an idea of what will attempt. I will post the taped up buck when I get that far. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/6p6mn441t/tank_inspiration.jpg (https://postimages.cc/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by badwolf on 01/10/18 at 09:30:40 OK, I blew it up and can see how it works. ....Still a lot of work! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/10/18 at 11:26:14 Would rolling edges down and lacing them together help shape the seat? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/11/18 at 04:58:11 Draft of tank buck stations in red pencil. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/wdl3sow4x/IMG_1172.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/g2kzwdjn1/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/11/18 at 19:23:16 Progress on the buck(s) http://https://s6.postimg.org/6jp38l2zl/IMG_1174.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/7lz9r4lst/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/b5l7gyr3l/IMG_1176.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/a3b0yf8a5/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/yjt6svtld/IMG_1177.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/a3b0yesul/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/m56esjudd/IMG_1178.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/9ds8m1kl9/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/797vkyye9/IMG_1179.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/hjaak7o9p/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/12/18 at 06:12:51 One taped buck on frame. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/xlvnsob81/IMG_1184.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/6backr8b1/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/fvtz7nksh/IMG_1187.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/gy45q73lp/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by badwolf on 01/12/18 at 06:34:22 I hope you are REALLY good at working sheetmetal, that tank will be a LOT of work. The shape and style looks great thou. It would much easier with fiberglass, but if alum. is what you want to go with, best of luck. The rest of your work shows some serious craftsmanship. hope you can continue at the same level. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 01/12/18 at 06:55:59 Love it! Little bit modern Indian Scout with a cleaner board track look. I would use even less taper front to back if you wanted a little more board track into it. Either way, it's looking great, but I think you'll want to make adjustments to that seat before it's all said and done. Just my opinion. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 01/12/18 at 06:57:05 Just a thought.... There isn't a single straight line on that bike. The entire essence of that bike is one of fluid curves. I realize that the tank is a total mock-up, but the upper and lower crease lines don't match the rest of the bike. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 01/12/18 at 07:05:19 I like the crease lines. A lot of board trackers had squared off tanks (many had rounded tanks too) which most modern customs and choppers don't have. Being a modern interpretation, I think more the more (obvious) the board track features the better. That's why I suggested the possibility of even less taper. EDIT: And in saying that, if it were my project and my tank mockup looked that good, I would be ignoring all of this banter. Ha, ha. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/12/18 at 09:59:41 Thanks to all for taking the time to look. I didn't think the teardrop or fully streamlined shape would be consistent with the boardtracker feel, that's why I started the more defined tops and sides on the tank but still kept the general shape that follows the frame lines. I'm looking forward to the challenge of tanks. I've done some metal shaping but still consider myself a newbie. This tank shape is a little less challenging than previous tank as there won't be a lot of shrinking or stretching required but will be more challenging in that it will require a close fit to follow the frame lines. I also plan to do some kind of rib down the center of rear fender and that I have not done before. I did the tank, front and rear fenders and seat pan on my first build, it took a couple of tries on each part but this is how it sits today. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/sxoup50up/attachment4.jpg (https://postimages.cc/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by badwolf on 01/12/18 at 10:22:00 Yes it looks like you can bend sheetmetal! Love the seat! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 01/12/18 at 10:46:01 Yeah I'll agree, you know your way with sand bags and a hammer? Did you also happen to use a French Wheel? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/12/18 at 10:58:41 676D69636861656C323430000 wrote:
Yes to the e-wheel. Another beer budget project ;) You can see in the second pic I moved the adjustment to the top wheel to allow a cantilever mount of the bottom wheel for better access when making fenders and tanks and smaller curvy things. http://https://s6.postimg.org/4jqkhb14x/IMG_0595.jpg (https://postimages.org/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/cgb1pbmtd/attachment3.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/3la7esy0t/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/13/18 at 13:13:19 Getting started on left tank. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/v7dfiub69/IMG_1193.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/qy8pgo7wt/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/n1vdkoun5/IMG_1194.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/e6uja65ul/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/p6fqls3zl/IMG_1197.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/3k0q4r5f1/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 01/13/18 at 18:02:42 Just a quick note to thank you for pausing to take pictures and post along the way. Really enjoying your work. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Armen on 01/14/18 at 06:38:29 Thanks for posting all the pics. Amazing work! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/14/18 at 06:53:38 09323E2E34365D0 wrote:
56657A7279170 wrote:
I have gotten great support with my technical questions posted in 'rubber side down.' And I know I'll have lots more questions. I've also benefited from the marketplace section. Posting the progress is small way to give back to the site and I enjoy the discussion, input and feedback. And thanks to smokin_blue for introducing me to the site. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/15/18 at 03:44:46 Starting to take shape http://https://s6.postimg.cc/q72npdifl/IMG_1204.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/71zefm3rh/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 01/15/18 at 08:28:45 You don't mess around, do you? I'm always impressed with how fast you progress with each phase of this build. Keep up the strong work. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Dave on 01/15/18 at 12:59:15 Is that blood on the workbench? :-? The apprentice fellow didn't live up to your expectations? :o |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/15/18 at 13:51:42 112A2730212D36302B232E31420 wrote:
All apprentices are accounted for. It's the wreckage from the day I dyed the seat leather :-[ |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/15/18 at 14:53:28 Welded and start of smoothing. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/6ph70undt/IMG_1205.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/728l715nh/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by badwolf on 01/15/18 at 16:36:20 WOW!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/15/18 at 19:31:26 Brush on dye and just kiss the high spots with a flat file then try to push the highs down and bring the lows up, repeat. http://https://s6.postimg.org/gtaiagqup/IMG_1207.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/7y9nzy225/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/17/18 at 04:05:55 Trying some clecos to hold things together. I plan to tack, weld and smooth before putting on the back and tail end. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/gvlnpeeqp/IMG_1210.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/68rujz6l9/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/20/18 at 03:27:34 A bit more progress on the tank. Fitting the back next. Happy that it still fits the buck after the bottom is welded. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/spb13yold/IMG_1213.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4ybnluoe5/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/6q4mgrfgx/IMG_1214.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/if8m4q6fh/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 01/20/18 at 04:27:40 As always, beautiful welds. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Armen on 01/20/18 at 08:33:54 What impresses me as much as the (huge) amount of talent, is the persistence exhibited. I've got a million partially completed projects. Realistically, a bunch will end up in a dumpster when I die. Thanks for sharing, and hung-ho! -Armen |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Armen on 01/20/18 at 08:35:25 Have you considered putting baffles in the tank? When the tank is half full, the gas sloshing forward under braking might be annoying. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/21/18 at 10:24:14 20130C040F610 wrote:
I've made a few tanks and have not done baffles. The ones I've made will seep out the breather vent on the filler cap on an abrupt stop but generally do not for routine braking. I don't think I'll be adding them to these tanks. End cap on tail and almost ready to attach the back. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/m7ao4hy2p/IMG_1219.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/erbeipad9/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/56rrvtdbl/IMG_1220.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/691yecw4t/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/22/18 at 19:03:40 There's a small interference with the top motor mount bolts that need a depression in the tank for clearance. I may have to cut it out later to access the inside for final smoothing but will take the chance I can close it up for good when I weld the backside on. http://https://s6.postimg.org/e2k6gksch/IMG_1223.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/pewryd119/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/4595nisgh/IMG_1225.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/s8zxbtax9/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/27/18 at 17:37:58 Backside fit and welded. It kept it's shape pretty well. Rough sanding first then on to fitting to frame. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/tqhpcd10h/IMG_1231.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/t0yx000gt/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/qwejyx6k1/IMG_1233.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/usrvuwrjh/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Armen on 01/27/18 at 19:21:19 Amazing! Which aluminum alloy are you using, and what thickness/gauge? thanks |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 01/27/18 at 20:03:39 Can't wait to see it mounted. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/28/18 at 04:14:00 11223D353E500 wrote:
Alloy is 5052 H32. Filler rod 5356. Any curved or shaped portion is 0.063 inch thick. Back side is 0.090 inch. 5052 anneals easily by raising to 650F. Normally I start by annealing any piece with a lot of shape. I this case the only piece I annealed is the little half dish inset in the back side. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 01/29/18 at 04:05:18 What's your annealing method? Do you use soap, marker, thermometer or anything to gauge temperature? This is something I've been interested in. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/29/18 at 05:22:02 6A6D6C6A686A716A050 wrote:
For 5052 I use a mapp gas torch for heat and a tempilstik that has a 650f melt. You blast the area you want to anneal holding the torch in one hand and the tempilstik in the other. Occasionally withdraw the torch and swipe with the stik, when it reaches temp the stik will will leave a heavy melted trace of wax. Alternatively premark the area you want to anneal with scribble of a permanent marker and proceed with heating. The marker fades to almost nothing at you reach annealing temp. I think this is akin to the old method of flaming with an acetylene torch to leave a black soot on the surface. The organic smudge that the torch or marker leaves will essentially evaporate around that 650 F. Either way the sound when you tap it with anything hard changes substantially once it's annealed, it will go from a ting ting to a much lower pitch when annealed. They say it only takes an instant at 650 F, quenching rate is of no consequence and the melt temp of 5052 aluminum is about 1100 F so it's a pretty easy process anneal without melting. This process works for 5052 but won't work for 6061 with any kind of temper. The heat treat on 6061 is far more involved to anneal. I think it will also work on any aly alloy that only work hardens but google your alloy to be sure. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/30/18 at 19:19:59 Start of tank mounts. Each tank will have two pockets in front with a bolted tab in back. Bayonets attach to tank and insert into pockets with a 1/8 thick rubber sleeve to create a cushion . One fastener per tank tucked underneath towards the tail of the tank will go into another tab/bung assembly I have yet to add. The bayonets will bolt to bungs in the tank. A third bung will catch the tail of the tank. I have an interference when I insert the top bayonet between the frame and bayonet due to the curve of the frame >:(. I think I can remodel the bayonet but if all else fails I can lower the pockets a bit. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/z9psxy5m9/IMG_1254.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/m5k8l9dkd/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/w2v9ebdgh/IMG_1255.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/8bvvw7d99/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/31/18 at 19:13:40 Re-made bayonets. Subtle difference but now they will insert without interference even on the top pockets. First pic shows the bayonet at beginning of insertion on top pocket. On full insertion there is now plenty of room to vibrate without metal-metal contact. Locate and set bungs in tank in the front and rear mount point are next. http://https://s6.postimg.org/ouxett25t/IMG_1256.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/c3j8nasdp/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/jjii93nsx/IMG_1258.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/x0fgryy4d/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 02/03/18 at 04:43:15 Looking good. Nice work as always. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/04/18 at 15:58:16 292E2F292B293229460 wrote:
Thanks! Today's progress on the mounts. Still a lug to add to frame in the rear and a tab to come off the tank to pick up the lug. http://https://s6.postimg.org/thv774qpt/IMG_1260.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/j7ss7w0u5/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/ovz2yrpr5/IMG_1261.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/eyo25pi59/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/oj7oslf75/IMG_1264.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/9n95l03sd/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 02/04/18 at 17:53:12 Just, wow |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 02/04/18 at 18:40:03 So enjoyable watching you build this thing from scratch. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/04/18 at 21:48:20 I hope you assemble the whole thing and ride it a bit before you decide to paint, JIC you need to add a tensioner on the chain. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/05/18 at 03:57:47 283731362B2C1D2D1D25373B70420 wrote:
Yes, several weeks of shakedown before final finish are in the plan. Chain passes are one concern. The tank mount is another. Even without the rear fastened the tank feels pretty good. I think the cushions will be adequate to protect the tank from shaking apart but firm enough to keep them lined up with the frame. And who knows what else might need a tweak? That and I can't wait to get it out for ride... Thanks for looking! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/05/18 at 17:43:53 My pleasure,, Really |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/07/18 at 07:22:23 I think I'll go into shakedown with a brushed finish on the tanks. Here's a test patch on the corner closest to the camera. It looks a little lumpy in some areas with a high polish, the brushed look masks most of the lumpiness. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/f07n9tnch/IMG_1269.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/vb7r64zu5/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 02/07/18 at 09:35:43 73616E646D616E726564000 wrote:
------------------------------- I would be several months of shakedown for me. It's shaping up to be too awesome to park during the summer. ;) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Dave on 02/07/18 at 11:52:26 32202F252C202F332425410 wrote:
I am afraid that if I tried to make a tank this way.....I would have to use 1/4" thick metal to give me enough material to file/sand/buff away my lumpy mistakes! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/07/18 at 19:20:24 Rear tank lug set. Cushions feel right, firm enough to hold, soft enough to cushion. On to tank two. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/keb0vi7pt/IMG_1276.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/sjt2tnvyl/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/y7zdkk80x/IMG_1280.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/rhiwb4kv1/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/h7ghbw2pd/IMG_1275.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/db35fwhpp/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/sxuesonlt/IMG_1278-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/hy97h2x6l/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/10/18 at 19:17:23 Getting started on the right tank. http://https://s6.postimg.org/580u9p93l/IMG_1290.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/ajfquev65/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/12/18 at 06:38:06 Still lots to do but starting to take shape. I had to take a small scallop out of the corner of the more complete side to allow for cables to pass. Will have to do the same for the other to get around the stem lock. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/xo36k3mnl/IMG_1292a.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/48xib3i3x/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/17/18 at 17:28:17 Side by side. They match up fairly well. Mounting to frame next is the next challenge. Video link shows walk around. https://youtu.be/jz8daShBBmM http://https://s6.postimg.org/aa5rlbvlt/IMG_1332.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/5o9ncza2l/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/ogligjyr5/IMG_1333.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/j56lvucod/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 02/17/18 at 20:25:35 Very nice , a true craftsman ! That would be ten years of work for me and it wouldn't look that good. If you weren't worried about fuel capacity you could hide all the electrics inside one of the tanks. I think your building a show bike. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Armen on 02/18/18 at 06:03:32 Wow! Such nice work! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 02/18/18 at 06:22:39 Four thumbs up! (Two for each side. ;) ) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/18/18 at 14:08:43 Thanks for the comments! Fitting the second one to frame went well. Petcock bungs are welded and did the initial pressure test. There are a few small leaks mostly where I ground through corner welds when smoothing. Fixing those is next. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/ib2fszo4x/IMG_1337.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/w4qsi1gq5/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/tann4l6u9/IMG_1338.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/6ypub77q5/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/25/18 at 15:34:02 Filler bungs welded in. Passed pressure test! (air in tank to 5 psi and submerge in a sink of water) Last step is to even out the brushed finish. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/o9qv4nftt/IMG_1359.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/gh07co9ul/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 02/25/18 at 18:07:53 Love it, fire it up! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Dave on 02/26/18 at 02:39:28 Looking good! Which side holds the Sweet Tea? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by smokin_blue on 02/26/18 at 16:58:12 Silly southern boy! That would have to be Long Island Tea. Need some alcohol in it or it will freeze up here. ;D What Sandman hasn't told you is he does all this work in an unheated garage up here in Minnesota. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Dave on 02/26/18 at 17:15:13 2A3436323037063B352C3C590 wrote:
No wonder he works so fast! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 02/27/18 at 05:27:45 He's devised ways to do all of this build and he ain't got no heat?!?! I use a little Lasko ceramic heater (probably $30) Just let it run for a few days when I'm working. It warms things up just enough to make life not miserable. :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/28/18 at 03:59:25 I will run a propane heater when it's really cold but I can't run it too long or I get condensation on everything. That's why I save my sheet metal work for the dead of winter, I can do all but the welding inside. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 03/07/18 at 14:41:24 No pressure, but do you have any updates? I'm jonesin' for summa that fine BBBT action! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 03/08/18 at 09:27:03 What he said. The people need more BBBT! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 03/09/18 at 06:48:27 I've got a few time sensitive projects to complete before I can dive in again. While those projects come to a close I'm gathering exhaust components and have a few final things to fit to the frame and then I can begin a full mechanical assembly and start wiring, the battery box and rear fender. Targeting to be road ready by the time the weather warms up. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 03/11/18 at 11:58:07 Fake oil tank profile options for housing battery and electrics. Or I suppose it could be a fake beer tank. You can probably guess my choice. Either way it will be about 5 inches thick. Which profile do you like, round or oblong? http://https://s6.postimg.cc/giqoj9bxt/IMG_1380.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/n975soz3h/) http://https://s6.postimg.cc/xw0yy4eyp/IMG_1381.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ribvuva2l/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by zipidachimp on 03/11/18 at 13:43:10 flow with the tubes: triangular? 8-) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 03/11/18 at 13:45:32 I like the round. Put the battery in your pocket , beer is more important! ;D |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by snels516 on 03/11/18 at 14:46:15 I second the round. Leaves more negative space and flows better with the whole frame. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 03/12/18 at 10:34:45 I'm not digging the idea of a round oil tank. Oil tanks don't go with board trackers IMO. You don't see many even on customs. I think you want to keep some "space" in the frame. Get a little Anti gravity AG-801 or similar and put it in a tiny box in front of the rear wheel. That would be my vote if I had one. On the other hand, everything you've done so far has been outstanding so if you are seeing it, git-er-done! :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 03/12/18 at 12:15:50 Thanks for the input. I'm heading in the direction of a round fake oil tank for now. It will be about 9 inch diameter which sounds big but really doesn't look as big as I thought it would on the frame. It actually looks smaller than the oblong profile and I don't have to worry about trying to get it level like an oblong tank would require :-) It's a bolt on feature so I can change it easily in the future if I want to do the smaller battery and or the streamlined shape that was suggested. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 03/13/18 at 10:12:28 When you get it done and decide you hate it you can always sell it and build a box like you have on your bobber. ;D Just messing around. I'm looking forward to some more steller fabrication. Thanks for sharing and keep up the fine work. It's really fun to follow. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 03/14/18 at 03:20:21 Thanks again for watching. Ring rolled. Right now it sits a bit high as the ring stills needs to be trimmed to weld to the flat on the bottom. Aluminum end covers to be fully round and extend past the flat that supports the base of the battery. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/sl4wfrish/IMG_1382.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ca4sjg6al/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 03/17/18 at 18:06:25 Fake oil tank progress. I think I might try to put a bit of dome shape on the end caps but I don't have much room on the chain side. I'll wait until I see chain clearance and then decide. Also will add a cap ass'y to complete the illusion. Maybe a tap too ;D. Weather is starting to warm up, pressure is on! Battery gets anchored next. http://https://s6.postimg.org/637n7sg69/IMG_0577a.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/brdxyokil/) http://https://s6.postimg.org/vyrdqyff5/IMG_0578a.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/u6yew1w25/) http://https://s6.postimg.org/3yna6ore9/IMG_0579a.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/z5lxalfal/) http://https://s6.postimg.org/5douvf7wx/IMG_0580a.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/m1gcxx2od/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 03/19/18 at 19:22:53 Steering stop. Kind of an afterthought but I think it will work. Shown just tacked, tabs are full welded all the way around now. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/izgug778x/IMG_10584.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/do1xvhl65/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/tmanlmn41/IMG_10586.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/izgug7eyl/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Chip 2010 on 03/23/18 at 09:07:22 everything about this project is making me wish I had a machine shop and a welder. I've looked at board track frames on the Voodoo Vintage site for years but could never convince myself to pull the trigger on one. Love the way the tank blends into the lines of the bike. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 03/23/18 at 16:44:21 Starting to come together. Foot controls and wiring next. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/9etl5x829/IMG_10592.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/8pastk7il/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/miz5ilse9/IMG_10594.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/xikcu7it9/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 03/24/18 at 16:13:32 I had one tiny little almost interference between the right tank and the carb :-[ Scalloped out and patched to provide more clearance. Leak check test good! http://https://s6.postimg.cc/rthwf191t/IMG_10601.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/f23q8iz9p/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/24/18 at 16:57:55 Good looking clearance job. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 03/25/18 at 03:54:28 The two tabs hanging under the tank are for the ignition coil. I'm going to try to eliminate them by putting the coil up in between the tanks. I will be directly above the top mount if I can fit it. I'm a little concerned it will get warm there but it would be warm right above the exhaust pipe too, thoughts? http://https://s6.postimg.cc/tlfgnaryp/IMG_10591.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/79hntwsul/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 03/28/18 at 18:55:24 Start of wiring. A number of things need extensions to get them back into the battery box. I will put the CDI on one side of the battery and the starter relay on the other. R/R goes underneath battery. I think I'll cut a foam block to cushion/mount the CDI. http://https://s6.postimg.org/qp74v9j3l/IMG_10609.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/aqyf54ovh/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 03/29/18 at 18:39:45 Can't wait to ride it! Or at least see a video of you riding it. :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 03/29/18 at 21:46:36 Seat height ? Sorry I have run out of complements. Very Cool ! One Off , not another one on earth like that ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 03/30/18 at 10:10:26 Thanks for watching! Can't wait to ride it either. The seat is about 25 inches from the ground. I've never done major rework on a wiring harness before so not sure how that's going to go. I'm hoping to get ready for shakedown in the next few weeks. I've decided to move to the foot controls for a bit. I think I have all the parts I need for the wiring but I know I have to get parts with lead time for the foot controls. The pegs will end up about the same position relative to the engine as stock. I'll re-use most of the shifting gear but install after market pegs on both sides. I plan to redo the brake cable using Motion Pro. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 03/30/18 at 11:31:03 Not so sure about your wiring skills so you find some more fabrication!! I totally know how that feels. :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by smokin_blue on 03/31/18 at 11:21:35 Sandman, you know when you get to the harness if you want some help just call. Smokin Ps: back from the Florida warmth and I am not digging the 5" of snow I woke up to this morning! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 03/31/18 at 12:50:58 Sandman I have some diagrams for you (bare essentials) Pm me your email and I'll send them over |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 03/31/18 at 13:10:48 Ruttly, you sent me diagrams when I was doing early planning, thanks for that. Smokin blue, I may take you up on your offer. I have the harness draped over the frame and more or less in position. I figure I will locate all the moved items and add dummy extensions just for length. Then take it to a work bench and strip out un-needed items and re-wire as needed for the moves. Some foot control progress. Parts roughed out and left side mostly assembled. Obviously not the final fasteners ;D. Just checking for fit. The open hole below the peg is the pivot for the shifter. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/5tuhumatd/IMG_10612.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/rt0whtrnh/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/6w4od61ch/IMG_10613.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/54bpi9hzh/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/tij6hnh29/IMG_10614.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ojvo34d99/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/l09qdbi9d/IMG_10615.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/g1m7ysegd/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 03/31/18 at 14:05:50 Thought I did but wasn't sure. It's real easy ,don't sweat it, very simple and everyone wants to help out with your build your build. Lots of help here all you gotta do is ask. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/01/18 at 09:54:27 Shifter fitted. Had to extend the connector rod about an inch and the shift lever about 2 inches. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/nqs91rw81/IMG_10623.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/cr71q65st/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/lm7w0omvl/IMG_10625.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/evrer8zpp/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/02/18 at 18:56:51 Brake side progress. Nothing on this side has happened in one take >:(. But I like what I've got so far. http://https://s6.postimg.org/mtd3kza35/IMG_10626.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/aeqbknikt/)http://https://s6.postimg.org/vbmjpbobl/IMG_10628.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/aeqbknqal/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/02/18 at 19:26:49 I hope there's a doctor on hand if you ever see my welding. You'll laugh yourself to death. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Dave on 04/03/18 at 02:43:24 If my welds were that pretty......I wouldn't go through so many abrasive discs, filler and primer! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 04/03/18 at 05:56:26 I'm with you Dave. Those are beautiful welds. I almost want to buy a tig welder just to be able to weld like that. I've found that it's near impossible to layout welds like that with a cheap Mig welder. I did a lot of gas welding and braising and stick welding growing up. I think my ugliest welds have always come when using wire feed. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/03/18 at 11:45:00 Brake side progress. Like my return spring? I have a torsion spring coming that will get wrapped around the brake pedal pivot so I get rid of the bungee cord. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/durmlgx35/IMG_10629.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ekaextxml/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/gouryx6z5/IMG_10630.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/di08famj1/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/05/18 at 04:04:19 Return spring installed. First picture is from behind foot control assembly, second is from above. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/q912zy1dt/IMG_10632.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/lzwcxry4d/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/5c4uvab2p/IMG_10633.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/vx7dqudfx/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/05/18 at 15:49:51 Exhaust progress. Will add a baffle that inserts in the tail. More on that later. 1 5/8 inch stainless tube, 16 g. The tight bend was purchased. The sweeping bend I started with a straight and used my bender. It rippled ever so slightly but only on the bottom. http://https://i.postimg.cc/4yLpT4xS/IMG_10640.jpg (https://postimg.cc/fSdVcNXc)http://https://i.postimg.cc/zvXTMH8h/IMG_10639.jpg (https://postimg.cc/0MF6KQ65)http://https://i.postimg.cc/kMfQSsvv/IMG_10637.jpg (https://postimg.cc/grLLFv5x)http://https://i.postimg.cc/W37MXwLj/IMG_10635.jpg (https://postimg.cc/47m73txF) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/05/18 at 20:21:42 Frikken WOW.. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 04/06/18 at 10:09:33 No $hit , WOW Almost ready for a shakedown cruise ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/07/18 at 19:26:44 Tail light and license assembly. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/65r3z2pr5/IMG_10644.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/9pd1ovsgt/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/qd4jrd035/IMG_10645.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/fdjcfr9nx/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/y5v7jclht/IMG_10647.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/8abh05jnx/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/a24fv1vb5/IMG_10646.jpg (https://postimg.org/image/3ofcrsqf1/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 04/11/18 at 11:59:35 It's been a couple of days since the last update. Got to be finished by now. :D EDIT: Where did all the pictures go? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/12/18 at 03:43:13 It's running! I made a few short runs this afternoon. Postimage changed the host site name so all the links are broken! I just have 260 links to update to fix it :-/ They say they are trying to resolve it I'm guessing not. Here's the latest. Wiring harness cover was saturated with oil so I completely stripped of wrapping and removed all interlocks, decomp controller, etc and relocated all but the ignition connection to the battery box/fake oil tank. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/881p7knip/IMG_10655.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/75rip14p9/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/vz12pp35d/IMG_10656.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/6t04iv1v1/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/acm28nwv5/IMG_10658.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ujzi0yucd/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/4bodblpoh/IMG_10660.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/3ywz5f7el/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 04/12/18 at 05:44:27 I was sort of joking about being done!! Very impressed with how fast you built this. Very impressed you can build it from scratch. Very impressed, very, very impressed!! WOW is right, NICE work. As for the pictures, I just attach them to my posts so they will stick here no matter what. I find it's actually easier than uploading them somewhere and finding the link. I just save them on my computer and attach them. The main drawback is that you can only attach one file for each post. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/12/18 at 06:28:55 3136373133312A315E0 wrote:
Thanks! Not sure what to do about pics. Hopefully they can fix it on their end. I did go through a post or two and change all the ".org" to ".cc" Trouble is they are sprinkled in long, un-spaced strings of text, two per picture so it's tedious to find them all. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/12/18 at 10:14:05 The bike looks outstanding. I can't wait for a ride report. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/12/18 at 18:12:33 Heat shield today. And a few test rides ;). Link to a short video of it running. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9yMYHVa4mk http://https://s6.postimg.cc/es9kyif75/IMG_10665.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/efi6sbwx9/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/caxtr930h/IMG_10667.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/u0zicagl9/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/rjnr514ep/IMG_10668.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/prusa4l1p/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 04/13/18 at 06:02:28 So how's the ride and steering? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/13/18 at 17:31:36 The ride is good. Neighborhood streets are pretty rough and the seat shock smoothed it out nicely and only used 1/2 the available travel. It's a long bike so it's not super quick but I did get the pegs up to where I should be able to get over the a 45 deg angle before they touch so I have a better chance to turn. Exhaust is just loud enough to have a chance to be heard without being deafening to me. I will have to put some kind of chain guide in as it occasionally kissed a screw on the battery box. And now it's snowing again so I have to fix it :D |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/16/18 at 10:45:08 Progress on rear fender. Decided to do all on the e-wheel, normally I would shrink the edges a bit and then go to the wheel. I want to do some kind of edge treatment to the fender but have not decided yet what to do. There was a suggestion to trim the seat down some time ago. I agree and trimmed it a bit. It didn't change the area the supports my butt so it still feels the same. I also put some preservative on the leather to make it more water resistant. There's also my first attempt at a chain guide in the last pic. There's a vertical section of plastic that needs to be cut down to fit the gap between the oil tank and the chain. Wish I could go for ride but we got 18" of snow in the last few days >:( http://https://s6.postimg.cc/59nbktmb5/IMG_10670.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ncgec1i5p/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/u2wvlhd1d/IMG_10684.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/yc1lnngal/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/zebs66joh/IMG_10685.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/7qz2s2yhp/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/6elz3znw1/IMG_10686.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/pwgmjxktp/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/skf9lticx/IMG_10687.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/jpefbatkd/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 04/16/18 at 12:01:00 Looking great! Seat looks much better. I think it would look even better if it curled down on the back. Sort of arched to (sort of) match the fender radius. Maybe just the ends a little. Not as tight as the fender of course. Still not digging the round oil tank, but beautiful work as always. It just doesn't go with the rest of the bike in my opinion. But, If I were you, I wouldn't listen to me! You're doing awesome on own your own. :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/16/18 at 12:11:24 "yeah...I have a few minutes to kill...maybe I'll just roll a fender...oh look...it's done...and it's perfect." You have mad skills. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 04/16/18 at 15:30:15 4B41454F444D49401E181C2C0 wrote:
My thoughts exactly, Gary. "I need a fender. I'll just make one from scratch, like everything else!" Getting so much enjoyment watching a craftsman work. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/16/18 at 15:49:37 Thanks for watching and the comments! There's more than a few minutes in the fender :), there's maybe a couple of hours into in this last pic. I still think it needs some kind of beading to finish it but not sure if I'll do the edges or try to do something down the middle. It's taped in place with a 1/2 inch spacer under it. I think I will put a dome shape on the right side of the 'oil tank' eventually but really can't do much to other side due to the close pass of the chain. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/n3s0dok5t/IMG_10690.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/63945074d/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/16/18 at 16:31:56 What? No fin in the rear fender? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/19/18 at 08:27:06 293630372A2D1C2C1C24363A71430 wrote:
Working on it ;) It took a few tries to get something to work. With a few suggestions from another website I ended up making a simple device to guide a chasing tool. Made me a little nervous to start hammering after putting so much time into the fender. It came out alright. Getting it mounted is next. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/l6hyngw29/IMG_10697.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/yanj05o3x/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/n6gxxvu7l/IMG_10699.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/5t6nj0ywd/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/mtpjrowi9/IMG_10700.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/65y1p71ql/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/5gf9cu8wx/IMG_10701.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/kcdskfkbh/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/19/18 at 08:50:14 A bead just looks better, and it's more rigid, |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/19/18 at 08:52:57 Is that a delryin block? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/19/18 at 09:15:52 4F5056514C4B7A4A7A42505C17250 wrote:
Looks like UHMWPE to me |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 04/19/18 at 10:16:04 That taper at the end of the ridge is perfect |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/19/18 at 19:24:42 Thanks again for watching. The block is polypropylene. Here's the installed fender. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/5qwf6o8u9/IMG_10706.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/bru43qvgd/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/6gf7j11o1/IMG_10707.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ssd0cf0rx/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/20/18 at 00:19:37 That's a knockout. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Armen on 04/20/18 at 02:51:43 Congrats on some awesome work!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 04/20/18 at 05:50:14 Love the fender and the mounting brackets. Just awesome. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 04/20/18 at 05:58:38 Most excellent. It really finishes off the back end nicely. And the curve makes the fake oil can look much more integrated. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/22/18 at 10:40:05 Thanks for all the comments and for watching! Added a dish to the 'oil tank' and got the fender brushed. Good day for shakedown. Most of the snow is finally gone, the sun is out and it's already in the mid 50s. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/xtkuxe9td/IMG_10720.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/si5yconql/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/22/18 at 11:10:04 I really NEED to see video of this bike in action. Of all of the builds I've seen (bike, airplane or car) this is among my favorites. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by batman on 04/22/18 at 14:18:27 It's a classic Or class act or both ! Great work! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by norm92de on 04/22/18 at 14:54:25 I concur, beautiful work. It takes a lot of dedication to get a job like that finished, even though it is not yet finished. Can't wait to see the final product. :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/22/18 at 16:45:27 Beer budget board tracker 07/23/17 at 15:25:15 Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote I just got a 98 Savage as the start of new build. I'm going in the direction of a board tracker but not a super strict interpretati Really? All by yourself, no elves finishing up after you go to bed? I'm gobsmacked. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/22/18 at 17:34:11 46595F5845427343734B59551E2C0 wrote:
Ok, so I'm easily obsessed ;) I saw that one guy named his bike 'insomnia.' I'd use it but it's already taken. I think can understand though. Thanks to all for the comments. I did get out for a decent shakedown run today, maybe 20 miles total. Here's a short clip from today. That's Smokin blue driving. https://youtu.be/WDVuwaqmPhw |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/22/18 at 20:33:30 You're gonna get offers. What's the number someone would have to offer for you to toss them the key? In five years it could go down, a little.. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 04/22/18 at 20:45:21 Sandman , This is simple , It's Phuckin Bad As$ , Well Done ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 04/23/18 at 11:53:22 Lucky Smokin Blue!! Send me your address, I'll be out tomorrow for my test ride!!! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/24/18 at 03:54:19 Thanks again for watching and all the comments. The final push to shakedown has been helped a bit by retirement at the end of March. I can't answer the question about what it would take for me to hand over the keys. I'm afraid the wife would see it. She not a big fan of bikes and if she knows it's for sale at some price it would be a problem for me ;) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/24/18 at 06:33:25 It's just a question about attachment. I redid the body on a 64 F150 , didn't even have all the chrome back on it. Boss was out running errands and some guy offered him $7,000.00 sitting at a light. He didn't take it, and that was about thirty years ago. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 04/28/18 at 14:16:24 Speedometer today. No good routing for mechanical cable so I went electronic. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/a68eswpvl/IMG_10742.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/jqs1fsf7h/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/28/18 at 15:14:11 Mechanical woulda looked wrong on that anyway. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 05/01/18 at 03:39:59 All picture links have been restored. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 05/11/18 at 06:25:02 Thanks for restoring the links! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 05/11/18 at 16:01:08 The last welds on the bike. At least they better be. I will get a cap that matches the gas caps to finish off the 'oil tank'. The bike is stripped down and out for powder coating. Tanks, wheels and fender remain aluminum. Bars and foot controls will be coated to look something similar to the aluminum and rest will be red with a hint of brown in a nod to the old Indian bike color. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/j3xb8g5wx/IMG_10763.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/a8wgxxh4d/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/e59stx9tt/IMG_10764.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/ut1awf4l9/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 05/19/18 at 02:37:03 Back from powder coating. Mostly anyways. The 'chrome' parts are still a few days out but I was able to pick up the rest and can get started on assembly. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/v89v4943l/IMG_10803_1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4zyqevjzx/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/jj5vga5f5/IMG_10804.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/abdmzkyct/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by batman on 05/19/18 at 07:42:09 I ,REALLY like the color you picked ! it should make for a great looking bike ,can't wait to see it back together! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 05/21/18 at 04:03:30 6162776E626D373B030 wrote:
Thanks! I can't wait either. Waiting on bars and footcontrols. They will kind of match the aluminum when complete. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/nphj4i8dd/IMG_10809.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/59x273u8t/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/ncq4ybxtd/IMG_10810.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/mafyfsezx/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 05/21/18 at 09:34:21 Jeez man, you work fast!!! Beautiful. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 05/22/18 at 03:03:46 526965756F6D060 wrote:
Thanks. I was working in hopes of receiving the last few parts from powder coating in time for a local show on Sunday. Parts arrived Monday. Oh well. It's together and running now. The only thing I know is missing is the cap for the 'oil tank' which arrives in a few days. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/a5e6l6i1t/IMG_10831.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/4h7vuadp9/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/n9jqxv2dt/IMG_10832.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/e1rih5vbh/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 05/22/18 at 05:38:33 31232C262F232C302726420 wrote:
You posted that on July 23 of last year and almost 10 months to the day, you are finished!?!??? Great job!! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/22/18 at 19:45:01 I really enjoyed this build. I'd like to see an in depth ride report. How do the air bladder suspension components work? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 05/23/18 at 03:59:40 Thanks again to all for watching and taking the time to comment. I think the ride is pretty good, especially for a hard tail. My first bike was a hard tail and I started with a frame mounted foam seat. It was pain full to ride up here in the land of 1 million pot holes. So I knew I wanted to improve on that. The front suspension has got 5 inches of travel and the seat has about 2 inches measured under the middle of my butt or about 3 inches if you measure at the back edge of the seat. There are o-rings on the plunger of the shock that get pushed by the travel that indicate the max compression since the last time you pushed it tight to the upper half of the shock. They recommend setting the 'sag' to around 20-25% of travel by adjusting air pressure. The o-rings are handy for this and recording the max travel after a ride. I logged several hundred miles in shakedown. After a ride with no quick stops or speed bumps both seat and fork shocks have a max compression of about 3/4 of full travel. Locking up the front tire will push the front to full travel. I have not seen the seat go full travel yet and I've already run some pretty rough roads. The shocks are designed to run to 250 psi if needed. The ones I'm using are cheaper ones, more expensive ones can run up to 300 psi. I run the fork shock at about 150 psi and the seat shock at about 80. I like that you can dial in the spring rate. If I know a riders weight I can change the pressure to set the sag and spring rate to match the rider weight. The shock pump is small enough to pack in the tool kit if you want. You can also set the damping rate from almost nothing to a very slow compression/rebound. I'd use this suspension set up again. I like the lines of a hard tail and the ride I get with the seat on shock is pretty smooth. The front fork works great and you have to keep yourself from watching it too much ;) About the only thing I can feel is on big bump the back tire will lose contact with road for an instant. But for typical road conditions here in north the suspension works pretty well. It definitely tracks straighter than stock with the extra length, I went from about 58 inches axle to axle to 71. Due the power and weight distribution I can't do either a 'stoppy' or a 'wheely' but as a pretty conservative rider I actually kind of like that. I kept the pegs high and as tight to the center line as I could to facilitate turning at speed. It feels stable in the turns to me. It came in about 325 pounds with gas and oil. I think it feels like it's got a little more acceleration than stock just due the weight loss. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 05/24/18 at 14:08:45 If you get a chance, try to post up another video now that you have some paint on. Would love to hear it at different RPM's and under load. I was surprised how reasonably quiet it sounded with that short, baffled pipe in the first video. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/25/18 at 06:29:04 Dude built it faster than some Ryca kits. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by T And T Garage on 05/25/18 at 08:27:43 Sandman - WOW! Just... WOW. It looks great! How have I not seen this chain until now!!?? I'm not sure if you answered or addressed this before, but where did you come up with that seat design? I know you mentioned having a rigid before with a seat affixed to the frame, but that "leaf spring look" is awesome! My buddy and I are doing a rigid and have a double leaf spring for our seat. Truth be told, I like your design just as well (maybe more). Where did you get your powder coating done? I looks great in the pics - are you happy with it? Like you, we're going with an "any color except black" frame that'll be powder coated. Again, great job!! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 05/25/18 at 19:56:51 223C33323F223924560 wrote:
Thanks. Seat design is mine. Mountain bike shock is the suspension. It has about 1 1/2 inch travel. The spring rate is set by air pressure using small special pump and there is damper setting that affects both compression and rebound. The leather sling is only fastened front and back and clears the metal frame by about 1 1/2 inches. It's fairly comfortable. I figure by the geometry there's about 2 inches of travel under me. That seems to be enough, it's far better than the 3 inch coils under my other bikes seat that only travel 3/4 inch with no damping controls. Dig back in the thread and there more detailed info along with a link to a video that shows the seat action. I used Adrenaline Customs near me here in White Bear Lake MN. I'm very happy with the job he did. Good luck with your build, is there some where I can follow it? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Armen on 05/26/18 at 07:18:08 Really amazing work, and incredible build quality. And done so fast! Congrats ;) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 05/28/18 at 06:00:50 57647B7378160 wrote:
Thanks! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by T And T Garage on 05/29/18 at 05:19:55 6F7D7278717D726E79781C0 wrote:
Nice! Again, very cool seat design Sandmanred! Our build is here: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1484783359 It doesn't quite compare to yours... It's a VooDoo Vintage rigid - a little different for sure - and we're taking our time on it. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 05/31/18 at 14:50:50 Our build is here: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1484783359 It doesn't quite compare to yours... It's a VooDoo Vintage rigid - a little different for sure - and we're taking our time on it. [/color][/quote] I've been following, I just didn't connect the username to you. This is a great build! That frame should allow using an air shock for the seat if you chose. If If didn't brag it up enough they are great little devices. Especially if there are multiple operators you can easily dial in the damping and spring rate you like and change if another rider wants to drive. I always carry the pump in my tool bag, they are small and light. Good luck with your build! I'll be watching. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 05/31/18 at 14:57:28 Today's installation ;) Everybody has to have a logo, right? http://https://s6.postimg.cc/nforgbl0x/IMG_10859.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/xczs9dsml/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by T And T Garage on 05/31/18 at 18:07:19 Cool name - nice logo! [smiley=thumbup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by MMRanch on 05/31/18 at 20:35:46 This bike just calls "Ride Me" everytime I look at it … 8-) Could be the coolest bike at a lot of bike shows . :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 06/01/18 at 07:59:28 687A757F767A75697E7F1B0 wrote:
And Instagram and Facebook pages, and a website, and a Discovery Channel tv show called Minnesota Choppers! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 06/04/18 at 04:06:19 Thanks again for watching and taking time to comment. I've been waiting for a nice day when I had the time to grab a few pics without all the junk in my garage in the background. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/4gcowbl8h/IMG_10880.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/m6edhcyt9/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/3qtwjwfj5/IMG_10884.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/pd8x0xe3h/)http://https://s6.postimg.cc/cym50mww1/IMG_10877.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/b6t65qdj1/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by T And T Garage on 06/04/18 at 05:31:13 Magnifique! [smiley=thumbup.gif] |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 06/04/18 at 15:14:34 Hey now, you can't just go posting porn on this site! Man, those are great shots. You're gonna get so many questions, compliments and offers! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by smokin_blue on 06/12/18 at 17:23:44 Well Sandman and I brought our bikes to the Rockerbox Festival at Road America this past weekend to watch the AHRMA races and compete in the Rockerbox Show. I have to say he was robbed when he didn't bring home a trophy!!! But as a consolation prize he had a ton of interest and appreciation by other riders that stopped to check out his bike! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 06/12/18 at 21:22:40 Holy crap that looks so good. I love the curves of the forks , frame , tanks right down to the fender supports , WOW ! The vision and craftsmanship are outstanding. There's two bikes with two of the best builds I've seen. I can only dream of building something so badas$. Hats off to you Sandman and you too SmokinBlue. Like I said before your both on my list of Next Level Builders , that's the list I'm not on ! Yet ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 06/13/18 at 10:11:26 Thanks for the comments! Here's our bikes at the Rockerbox representing the Savage. I think we were both got robbed a little but it was still a great weekend and a fun show. http://https://s6.postimg.cc/at7gh5ykh/IMG_0895-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/hjnxqllq5/) If you follow this link it will take you to an on-line contest through Dennis Kirk that I entered recently. Any support for a fellow Savage rider would be greatly appreciated! Voting dead line is end of June. Thanks! https://www.garagebuild.com/1998-suzuki-ls650/ |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by DieselBob on 06/13/18 at 19:54:13 Quote:
Done!. Was hoping to stack the deck, but they only let you vote once. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Dave on 06/14/18 at 03:06:10 0E373B2A3B302E31325E0 wrote:
I would imagine you can vote more times using different computers....or if your computer is a laptop you likely can vote multiple times by logging on at different Wi-Fi locations. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by T And T Garage on 06/14/18 at 05:48:16 Done! Rated 5 stars. Like DieselBob, I tried to do more than one, but no luck. I'll try again when I'm mobile. Again, great build Sandmanred!! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by JLC on 06/14/18 at 06:47:04 I just voted. Top rating of course! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 06/17/18 at 03:45:01 Thanks for your support on the link above! Attended the VJMC show over the weekend at MN State Fairgrounds. Great show and venue! http://https://s6.postimg.cc/gcoqtlzr5/IMG_10966.jpg (https://postimg.cc/image/pkgzab6t9/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 09/14/18 at 06:23:35 hey sandmanred, I was reading up on this beauty yesterday and it make me think of your bike. Just wondering how things are going with her? Any changes since June? Putting some miles on her? http://www.bikeexif.com/vintage-harley-davidson-super-10 |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/17/18 at 04:44:34 59626E7E64660D0 wrote:
Ya, that's a beauty isn't it? Thanks for asking. No substantial changes since powder coating. I've just been doing some small details like removing mirror mounts and polishing thing up. You can see I still need to polish up the right side case cover, just waiting on a gasket in case I damage it on removal. I've put close to 2,000 miles on this summer, all short trips around the twin cities. Last pic is one where I'm getting some professional quality shots taken. This one is from the first session. They didn't quite get the lighting they wanted so we have more sessions to come. http://https://i.postimg.cc/rwGXtrtn/IMG_11228.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bZvF7dgk)http://https://i.postimg.cc/brGfGVQk/IMG_1152-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/ZvhM2cs5)http://https://i.postimg.cc/HnfDb02K/IMG_11249.jpg (https://postimg.cc/PvzRjw0z)http://https://i.postimg.cc/gJtP2b6G/i-LQrrXnp-X2.jpg (https://postimg.cc/1nFdvTHd) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/28/18 at 07:08:33 Just one more. We went under a bridge to get this in background and found that a shaft of light coming between the bridge decks provided some fantastic light. http://https://i.postimg.cc/tCQFWycD/i-JzxdrSp-X2cropped.jpg (https://postimages.org/) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 09/28/18 at 10:02:22 Nice shot, post more. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by springman on 09/28/18 at 13:16:47 That is a work of art. Absolutely beautiful! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 09/30/18 at 04:23:49 Thanks for the comments. Photos are being touched up right now. I hope to post a few more once all that is done. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 10/03/18 at 18:52:20 If something ever happens to the finish on the tank or fender and need painting (God forbid!), they would be gorgeous in a cream color. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by jcstokes on 10/03/18 at 21:46:23 Pretty sure there were no board tracks in Aussie or NZ, couldn't afford the wood. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/18/18 at 03:59:02 A few more details. I made a small cap to dress up the trailer tail light. It just slips on over the plastic housing and butts up to the red lens. Not many in process pics but it consists of a cylinder with a cap. All hammer and dolly work due to the small size. And polished up the right side engine case, for some reason it had a lot of corrosion through the clear coat on the top side. http://https://i.postimg.cc/fyg17mXL/IMG-1420.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Zvpf49wt) http://https://i.postimg.cc/SNxyWG0y/IMG-1422.jpg (https://postimg.cc/c6PyWw4j) http://https://i.postimg.cc/tCv9DVyF/IMG-1423.jpg (https://postimg.cc/1f6x3X8z) http://https://i.postimg.cc/x1knZTTh/IMG-1424.jpg (https://postimg.cc/5XMhYJzS) http://https://i.postimg.cc/pVZWh66G/IMG-1432.jpg (https://postimg.cc/4nYkjBZV) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Tocsik on 10/18/18 at 06:18:42 That cap is a really nice finishing touch. What's that orange framed hardtail in the background? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 10/18/18 at 08:06:42 Thanks. That bike in the background is my first build, a little Honda Nighthawk 250. I built it a few years ago. Similar to the Savage I saved the neck from the stock frame and built the rest. This one has been through many revisions. 3 tanks, 2 front fenders, 2 rear fenders, at least 5 seats. I liked the mountain bike shock on the Savage seat enough to want the same thing on the Honda. That's what drove the latest tank and seat revision. The shock on the Honda provides about 3 inches of travel and improves the ride over 3 inch coil springs substantially. http://https://i.postimg.cc/bNG3YjJp/IMG_1386.jpg (https://postimg.cc/N5c1bSmz)http://https://i.postimg.cc/GtfKPXXW/IMG_1387.jpg (https://postimg.cc/4HzpsQkP)http://https://i.postimg.cc/YCYRgfYP/IMG_1389.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Js7jCXT3) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 10/19/18 at 12:56:54 Digging the new tank on the Honda. Very nice work. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/21/18 at 19:44:37 I got the bike into a few shows for later this winter. A couple are in the the Twin Cities; Progressive and Donnie Smith. Also getting ready to head for Portland OR for the One Moto Show in Feb. Really looking forward to that one. Decided on getting a cover made for the trip. This is Ron of SuperFit boat covers fitting snaps to attach the cover to the wheel chock. It was too dark to get a good pic of it all loaded up but it fits great. http://https://i.postimg.cc/G2Xfbnjm/IMG-1633.jpg (https://postimg.cc/mzFjSqqv) This is one more pic from this summer. http://https://i.postimg.cc/76j0ByZH/i-b6LvrXr-X2touched.jpg (https://postimg.cc/k6F24zSz) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/21/18 at 20:18:21 No Wonder it's so clean. You kidnapped Mr. Clean! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by zipidachimp on 11/24/18 at 22:52:12 Couldn't make Barber, but I'll say hello in Portland. Crossed the border Ok Wednesday, no questions about pot investing, life's good! Cheers! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/25/18 at 11:56:41 41524B525F5A585352564B3B0 wrote:
Sounds good! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 11/27/18 at 15:13:47 One more from summer. It was 12 F this morning. Hard to remember it's ever warm here. Everyone wants to talk ;) http://https://i.postimg.cc/FKHTYg5D/JT-bike-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/0zhY3SNw) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 11/28/18 at 05:54:25 At least you have sunshine. We've entered pema-overcast season here. :( |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 12/19/18 at 03:45:45 The latest addition, some leather on the grips. I need to polish the rings that cap the ends and seal the leather. Thanks to Smokin Blue for knocking out the end caps for me. Then, one more once over to clean it up and I think I'm ready for a few shows. http://https://i.postimg.cc/FHZqLXKk/IMG-1716.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bZZL7Mkq) http://https://i.postimg.cc/vZMkTZGd/IMG-1718.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3dSnb7yL) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 01/06/19 at 11:01:18 Simple stand for upcoming shows. Going with flat black finish. It's plenty stable front to back and fairly stable side to side. http://https://i.postimg.cc/jjL6jDGq/IMG-1799.jpg (https://postimg.cc/3yQ0Sx8z) http://https://i.postimg.cc/52Pq1BKk/IMG-1800.jpg (https://postimg.cc/pmFnJFHD) http://https://i.postimg.cc/SN1BZNB0/IMG-1803.jpg (https://postimg.cc/8jWXcDkw) http://https://i.postimg.cc/g2ffWtcN/IMG-1804.jpg (https://postimg.cc/18rW0Hqq) http://https://i.postimg.cc/GmBZ6nR4/IMG-1805.jpg (https://postimg.cc/87SKr3jG) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by verslagen1 on 01/06/19 at 11:55:38 yep, better hide those welds, they won't see the bike. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/02/19 at 04:16:21 At the Minneapolis IMS show this weekend. I have often wondered how well I matched the classic Indian red in the powdercoating. Looks pretty close to me in this pic. Could this be the first Indizuki? http://https://i.postimg.cc/PrKNRbdT/IMG-1884.jpg (https://postimg.cc/dLkq7y7x) http://https://i.postimg.cc/MpTX2cGR/IMG-1887.jpg (https://postimg.cc/JGfRjzZ4) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/04/19 at 05:49:25 Minneapolis 2018 show Freestyle class 1st! Thanks to Bob Kay (on the right) and his team for making a great event! And thanks Smokin Blue for pictures and help with load out! http://https://i.postimg.cc/L6q1Wmmx/20190203-144842crop.jpg (https://postimg.cc/GHCt8w8D) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by verslagen1 on 02/04/19 at 07:18:32 congrats, but I'm sure it's just icing on the cake. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 02/04/19 at 08:30:19 Nice! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by DieselBob on 02/04/19 at 12:56:14 Well deserved. We could only aspire to that level of craftsmanship. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/04/19 at 18:03:31 Thanks for looking, you guys provided the technical help I needed motivation to get it done! This is a great forum, I tell anyone that I know has a Savage to check it out. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/04/19 at 20:15:39 Beautiful bike And You got a Twenty Five Cent per Hour check. More than most folks get. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 02/17/19 at 08:08:46 From the the1moto show. Got a cameo at 8:09. It was my first time at the show and in Portland. Great event and a fun city too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0hNuSUBdl8 |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Justjoshin on 02/27/19 at 20:23:35 I’m just starting my build but I really like your exhaust! Is it custom? I skimmed through the thread but didn’t see much about it. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 03/07/19 at 04:23:04 7F4046415F5A465D5C5B350 wrote:
There's a bit here. The picture links got corrupted when the provider changed url. I tried to fix them before but missed them. Now they are restored. Scroll down an image or two from where the link takes you. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1500819916/330#342 |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by jcstokes on 03/07/19 at 14:06:21 Wish I could weld like you. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 06/14/19 at 05:21:22 I see something familiar in Hand Built Motorcycle Show gallery: https://revivalcycles.com/handbuilt-motorcycle-show/2019-builders-bikes?goal=0_47bab08116-082feec0de-138482149&mc_cid=082feec0de&mc_eid=5099e017e8 :) http://https://d22uovayqj8stx.cloudfront.net/Articles/1600x1064_DE_hbs2019.jpg http://https://d22uovayqj8stx.cloudfront.net/Articles/1600x1064_an__DSC2994.jpg |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 06/14/19 at 05:31:07 You were at the right place considering you made everything except the motor, wheels, and headlight. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 06/14/19 at 07:05:23 4047464042405B402F0 wrote:
Ya, I wasn't sure I would be accepted and my invite came long after the first invites went out. I was happy to get accepted. And what a great event. Of the shows I've gone to over the last year this one was the best. They take some nice pics don't they? I was the only Savage based build there ;) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 06/14/19 at 07:41:40 Bike looked great like always. Good for you to be invited. Some crazy stuff at that show. I'd like to go sometime if I'm ever out there. There is one in my neck of the woods that is pretty cool..Cleveland Fuel. I went a couple of years ago and will try to get there this summer. The show is cool, the show outside of the show is pretty cool too. One of my favorites from the show. Yamaha XS 650 built in a similar style as yours. Pretty sure the builder was a local guy from Akron. Edit: Yeah Akron, OH guy, pipefitter by day, bike builder at heart: https://www.facebook.com/austinmartinoriginals13/ |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 06/14/19 at 14:35:17 That's a cool bike. Had I gone to Chicago (the nation wide final show for the IMS tour) I would have been in his class where he got second for Freestyle. I would have also been divorced. I had the Mpls IMS show one weekend, the 1moto in Portland OR the next weekend and the Chicago show would have been the next weekend. So we'll never know... The bike that got first was really nice too. And that guy that built it was in Portland too, I was right next to him. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 06/14/19 at 22:52:46 Maybe it's a Savage thing but I like your bike way more than that Yamaha. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 06/15/19 at 06:15:50 I love all things board track, hillclimb and speedway....and dirt track, scrambler, cafe, standard, moto, old school chopper,... :) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by MShipley on 06/17/19 at 11:52:52 That is a Beautiful bike. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/29/20 at 05:11:14 Hi! Have a few updates to the bike. The leather sling seat looked cool but it really wasn't too comfy. So I built a seat with a metal pan and more traditional seat cover. And since building the bike I discovered how nice stainless looks all polished up so I did a new set a bars with a little more of board tracker look. The odd photos of nut welded to end of stainless tube show how I pack the tube with sand for bending. After filling with blasting media the threaded rod is driven in while tapping the body of tube. The sand helps keep the tube round while bending. http://https://i.postimg.cc/ncR9DCJk/IMG-4059.jpg (https://postimg.cc/QH7MLNV9) http://https://i.postimg.cc/sDDZx5tx/IMG-4060.jpg (https://postimg.cc/142zYVR1) http://https://i.postimg.cc/K81krxcy/IMG-4091.jpg (https://postimg.cc/HrCkTG7S) http://https://i.postimg.cc/3JK2GsDK/62016831102-653-C7076-F5-B3-4-D27-98-B6-3-F54-C6-DE3-BE9.jpg (https://postimg.cc/NLzyqP4V) http://https://i.postimg.cc/V6QCkp8P/F8423340-431-E-483-F-90-EC-B722-C83-B2362.jpg (https://postimg.cc/t1kTrrJB) http://https://i.postimg.cc/y6hFk1xQ/IMG-4235.jpg (https://postimg.cc/MXTcL8yV) http://https://i.postimg.cc/mkSMqwKf/IMG-4236.jpg (https://postimg.cc/sGvvGpVw) http://https://i.postimg.cc/Cx5DPbNX/IMG-4237.jpg (https://postimg.cc/v4RcDgCt) http://https://i.postimg.cc/2StWP396/IMG-4238.jpg (https://postimg.cc/QFpV7N3G) http://https://i.postimg.cc/pXqzJsDK/IMG-4239.jpg (https://postimg.cc/svGMV9H2) http://https://i.postimg.cc/pdnjxx3B/IMG-4243.jpg (https://postimg.cc/94C0Y3m4) http://https://i.postimg.cc/wvXsy2qy/IMG-4245.jpg (https://postimg.cc/YGSST1mM) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Armen on 08/29/20 at 05:42:49 Awesome work! Thanks for sharing! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by LANCER on 08/29/20 at 07:32:18 Wish I could weld like that. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/29/20 at 08:23:14 Its just not fair, is it? TRy so hard and suck so bad,, I spend more on grinding disks than rods,, |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 08/29/20 at 08:50:00 Nice work as always. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 08/29/20 at 11:31:58 Very cool Sandman,tastefully done,pure motorcycle porn Think we can see her all in one pic ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/29/20 at 15:51:32 183F3E3E26334A0 wrote:
I see the usual cast of characters are all still here ;) Thanks for everyone's comments. This forum gave me a lot of motivation and support to take the project to completion. I've had a ton of fun riding it the last couple of years. Some new pics in nice light and a nice setting is next on the list. These are just from inside cramped the garage. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/29/20 at 19:10:24 These are just from inside cramped the garage. Is anyone else feelin ever so sorry for him? Im pretty sure I just felt a tear run down,, My heart is just goin'Awww,, Poor ting Cramped garage With a super sexy BIke in it,, SUFFER ya Beeyotch! Now,, wheres the new pic? Cmon,, lets dont be stingy.. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/30/20 at 06:19:39 As requested. http://https://i.postimg.cc/Mp4jdSwV/IMG-4249.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Mn7Tpgvp) http://https://i.postimg.cc/qRH6Hxz7/IMG-4250-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/Y48C1gNc) http://https://i.postimg.cc/9f7wknXS/IMG-4251-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/hJKGzMdb) http://https://i.postimg.cc/8kHJxWD1/IMG-4252.jpg (https://postimg.cc/1483q8fT) http://https://i.postimg.cc/rmG0VRrN/IMG-4254.jpg (https://postimg.cc/mzD2VDVP) http://https://i.postimg.cc/hvSJf48W/IMG-4255.jpg (https://postimg.cc/r0PyHkYQ) http://https://i.postimg.cc/BbMjDWN8/IMG-4256.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7JJP8WFD) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 08/30/20 at 13:37:21 Dayumm,, Thanks,, |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Ruttly on 08/30/20 at 20:25:01 Thanks for the photos. Very Cool ! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gary_in_NJ on 08/31/20 at 06:16:43 Nice updates. One of my favorite Savage builds. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by ohiomoto on 11/17/21 at 15:49:21 Bump because it's impressive! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/18/21 at 14:35:51 Yeah,, that is nothing short of Eaux Muh Gawd.. I'd be happy to ride a bike so frikkin fine .. |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Gus on 03/08/23 at 05:31:39 Beautiful build. Simple yet elegant lines. Nice! |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/26/23 at 06:06:16 Not too much new. Starting to see some sooty spotty blackness coming out of the exhaust that coats the frame near the exhaust exit. PO busted off some fins on the head doing the seals so I'm thinking about tearing into that this winter to either fix or replace the fins and look for what might be causing the sooty crap you see on the lower frame member in this pic. Any thoughts on the source of soot? http://https://i.postimg.cc/N0vsKfjD/IMG-8808.jpg (https://postimg.cc/rDgXbTWR) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by LANCER on 08/26/23 at 14:01:10 Running rich. How’s it running ? What are the symptoms evident in the running of it ? Mileage Sluggish Low power Erratic Backfire Coughing /spitting Hard to tune/jet properly ? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Dave on 08/26/23 at 14:17:25 How is the bike ridden? Does it ever get fully warmed up and ridden for an hour or two? Does it get up to highway speeds.....or is it ridden in town between traffic lights? |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by sandmanred on 08/26/23 at 14:55:54 It gets ridden 30-60 minutes at a time from 30-60 mph, some city and some highway. It does backfire on throttle close. I have no reference to know if it's sluggish, aren't they all a little sluggish stock? Mileage in that 50 mpg area but it's been awhile since I checked. With me on it the bike weighs about 480 pounds. It has the stock jets, any tuning was done by the number of slots a baffle in exhaust to get a light brown plug and a light brown color on the header pipe (stainless steel single wall). I have had it leaner and richer than it is now by adding and deleting baffle slots so I think I have a decent control handle (but maybe not optimum control handle) |
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Title: Re: Beer budget board tracker Post by Dave on 08/27/23 at 04:29:29 Back in the old days of leaded fuel with no ethanol.....a good running engine would make a tailpipe a light tan/grey color. Now with unleaded fuel and ethanol the tailpipe interior is always black. I would suspect that your engine is running a bit rich - provided the black goo on the frame is not oily and just carbon. As the needle most often is in control of the fuel/air mixture during "easy" riding - I would suggest you try changing that first. Make the spacer on top of the needle thicker to lean out the mixture. On a stock engine and carb setup 3 washers works well.....I believe they are #5 machine screw washers that are steel - the brass washers have too large of an OD and won't fit into the slide body. (The original spacer is white plastic and can be sanded down if you would rather do that....but it is impossible to go back if you get it too thin). If you get the fuel/air mixture too lean when adjusting the needle - you will feel a surge during light acceleration....the bike will not pull smoothly as you first open the throttle from idle up to around 1/2 throttle. |
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