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Title: Idiot buzzer Post by AlexW on 07/11/17 at 08:08:22 I'm becoming famously good at leaving my key in the ignition switch and walking away from the bike. Once every 3 weeks or so, regular as clockwork, I return to a bike with a dead battery. Thankfully, the three places that I regularly park for long enough to kill the battery all have steep enough slopes for an easy push start, but that's not ideal. What I really want is a beepy thing that tells me the key is still in. :P There might be some way to co-opt the side-stand switch to activate a buzzer when the stand is down (but only when the key is in!), which would have the desired effect. Any ideas of where in the circuitry you could put one, if anywhere? |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/17 at 08:15:27 Stop flipping the kill switch. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by stewmills on 07/11/17 at 08:24:15 Had a lady alert me to having done that up at the Dragon earlier this year. Felt like a goon. I think the sidestand switch grounds out the system when down, which is the opposite of what you need, which is for the buzzer to be energized when you have the sidestand down and key on. There is probably a way to trick this out though..I am sure someone intimately familiar with the electrical system will come along and offer some suggestions...and if it is easy I might do it too ;) |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by Serowbot on 07/11/17 at 09:00:45 Tie the key to your pants... ;D |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by Gary_in_NJ on 07/11/17 at 09:01:44 435C5A5D40477646764E5C501B290 wrote:
Agreed. I see the kill switch as an emergency kill switch, not as a normal means of shutting down the bike. I use the key 100% of the time. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by Eegore on 07/11/17 at 09:47:28 I agree with the other guys, stop using the kill switch. Its a free solution and doesn't require any re-wiring, research or modification beyond training yourself to stop using your thumb to shut off the bike. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/17 at 09:56:53 I made the same mistake, a few times. I have also just switched off and Still left the key, because I was not ready to stand up and put the keys in my pocket. So, Now I switch off and stick the key in my gas cap. I do use the kill now, since I have trained to get the key off and out. Recommend you avoid the kill switch until it's reflexive to look at the key. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by stewmills on 07/11/17 at 09:57:41 In flight training we were taught, as it is procedure, to put the engine at idle and pull the fuel mixture until the engine died, then turn off the magnetos. This in order to burn out any unused fuel from the carb for obvious reasons. The S40, and most other carbureted motorcycles that don't fly, don't work under these same principles and using either the kill switch or the key kills the spark and shuts down the engine, but in some cases shutdown procedures and extra switches, etc. are for an intended purpose. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by norm92de on 07/11/17 at 10:24:51 I never use the kill switch. Test it now and then to ensure that it works. Also, I am afraid of turning on the parking light and leaving the bike. Thinking about disabling that feature. Once left the Transformer rectifier switch in a Gulfstream in the on position. Nothing shows up except the switch position. Embarrassing the next day with two flat Nicads- a lot worse than it sounds. :-[ |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by AlexW on 07/11/17 at 10:27:46 Yup, retraining kill procedure would work! I'm only a few thousand miles into this motorcycle lark and still doing things by the MSF book procedure (which is to kill the kill switch). It literally hadn't occurred to me that you'd shut the bike off any other way, except by accident. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by SALB on 07/11/17 at 10:32:11 I've used the key for shutdown since day one, so I've never had a problem remembering the key. My problem is that stupid parking position on the switch. More than once, I've left the lights on and come out to a dead battery. >:( |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by IslandRoad on 07/11/17 at 10:44:15 I've never used the kill switch. My riding instructor drilled that into us. However, I have left the key ij the bike a number of times (sometimes on, and sometimes even switched off). After I installed the Raptor petcock I retrained myself to switch off the fuel and the ignition each time I get off the bike. That's been mostly effective. There are still those moments when something interrupts my dismount routine (like someone talking to me after I stop, but before I dismount) where I can still forget about the key! So far I've generally realised the oversight before getting too far from the bike :) |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by batman on 07/11/17 at 11:14:51 I use the kill switch only because I like the bike parked in gear ,but I've trained myself to remove the key with my left hand right after that.However if I were to install a buzzer ,I think ( not being a sparktrician )I would power it of the taillight and ground it through the sidestand in that way when you put the stand down the buzzer would sound if the key were in run or park positions.( avoiding a dead battery) It wouldn't however tell you to remove the key if in the off position.(theft is your problem ,you can't blame the bike)but if you were to leave the key in the bike in the off position someone turning it on to steal it would activate the buzzer and might think you had the bike alarmed. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by stewmills on 07/11/17 at 13:28:00 5B584D5458570D01390 wrote:
Now that make a lot of sense and I didn't even think about it. I as well always like to park the bike in gear and I use my kill switch so I can do the same, then remove the key with my left hand. I even use the kill switches on my 4 wheelers and other things that have a kill switch and a key, but those I do more so for making it frustrating for kids and other people that shouldn't be playing on them. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by verslagen1 on 07/11/17 at 14:22:37 You want to park in gear and shut the engine off? put down the kickstand. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by batman on 07/11/17 at 17:34:36 but you still have to turn off the key and remove it,and in using the kill switch the contacts stay cleaner, making starting a bit more reliable. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/11/17 at 19:44:51 He just needs to stop using the kill until reaching for the key is second nature. The distractions and different things he needs to do need to be set aside. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by AlexW on 07/12/17 at 05:18:02 332C2A2D30370636063E2C206B590 wrote:
Exactly this. A period of having to take the key out because otherwise the bike keeps making noise is, I think, the cure for what ails me :P |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/17 at 07:44:49 I'm left wondering why the Always the Smartest People in the Room at the Tall Table don't have answers like that. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by Serowbot on 07/12/17 at 11:20:28 Why don't they make kill switches momentary?... I've always wondered about that... :-? |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by hotrod on 07/12/17 at 11:28:17 Discipline and Repetition |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/17 at 11:51:36 5B4D5A475F4A475C280 wrote:
Because the emergency that would make you slap it lasts longer than you have. Momentary kill switch has to be held long enough for it to die. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by Gary_in_NJ on 07/12/17 at 13:16:07 5741564B53464B50240 wrote:
That's the way dirt bikes work. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by justin_o_guy2 on 07/12/17 at 13:23:09 If I flip the kill off, and quickly back on, it's probably gonna backfire, but it will be running. Why don't dirtbikes do that? |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by AlexW on 07/12/17 at 14:55:25 Maybe a 2-stroke slows down more quickly than a 4-stroke when you kill it? |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by Gary_in_NJ on 07/12/17 at 18:19:23 On a dirt bike you hold the kill switch until the engine stops. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by Steve H on 07/15/17 at 04:20:48 Only reason I can think for the momentary button on dirt bikes is to allow it to be used for engine braking. I have often wondered that too and this is the only thing my thinker can think. One thing that might work would be to use the biker's key thing that has the string you pull out with the key on it. When you get up, you have about 3 feet before the cord catches you. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by ohiomoto on 07/15/17 at 06:17:01 59421B18191E1C132A0 wrote:
No, it's so that you can not accidentally kill your motor while riding. Most of the time you are not in a position to take you hands off the bars long enough to kill the bike while riding off road. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by ohiomoto on 07/15/17 at 06:35:32 2222347077430 wrote:
Back when 2-strokes ruled the roost, most serious races would set their bikes up so they wouldn't idle at all for two main reasons. One of those reasons was to get more responsive bottom end power. The other is increased engine braking when you cut the throttle going into a corner. The goal is to keep the rear wheel turning the engine over until you cracked the throttle to lite the engine up again. But once in awhile the rear wheel would lock up and skidd instead of restarting the motor if you weren't careful. This low idle meant that you almost never touched the kill switch. It's main purpose was to kill a bike if the throttle was stuck open after a crash. Modern 4-stroke off-road bikes have more braking power than two strokes and run an idle. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by Steve H on 07/16/17 at 04:32:57 5B5C5D5B595B405B340 wrote:
No, it's so that you can not accidentally kill your motor while riding. Most of the time you are not in a position to take you hands off the bars long enough to kill the bike while riding off road. [/quote] Now that's some pretty good thinking there. |
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Title: Re: Idiot buzzer Post by jcstokes on 07/17/17 at 22:00:00 I always use the key, and I look at the tail light when I walk away. |
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