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Message started by Eegore on 05/31/17 at 18:35:33

Title: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 05/31/17 at 18:35:33


 Isn't the average MPG around 50?  My driver noted today that the bike had to go into reserve fuel at about 60 miles.  

 I asked her to add exactly 2 gallons tomorrow zero out the gps and run it until it dies.  About how many miles would one expect from a 95?  I know theres a ton of variables but we all know it wont go 200 miles, and should travel more than 40.  

 Thanks

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Dave on 05/31/17 at 18:55:36

On group outings we schedule a fuel/rest stop at no more than 100 mile intervals - that keeps folks from having to switch to reserve.

Mileage can go as high as 60 mpg if you are riding at a very calm pace and the bike is tuned well.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by jcstokes on 05/31/17 at 20:17:08

As Dave points out, you will be on reserve at about 110 miles. At 120 miles comfortable on reserve, at 130 miles start praying at 140 miles pray very hard. I once squeezed 11 litres into the tank which equates to 2.9 US gals.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Kenny G on 05/31/17 at 20:36:08

I have my S40 tuned for performance and smooth running and I like to keep the tach just above 3000 RPM in case I need power in a hurry. I average about 42 MPG and I am satisfied with that for the rural roads that I ride as I seldom get higher than 4th gear.

Kenny G :-/

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by batman on 06/01/17 at 15:15:04

But you don't care how much money you spend on the bike,why would you care about the mileage?Just buy more gas!

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by SALB on 06/01/17 at 15:36:43

With extended warm ups and excessive choke use, I was able to get down to 28 mpg this winter.  :o  I need a garage instead of a covered car port! ::) ;D

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by oldNslow on 06/01/17 at 15:54:58


5A594C5559560C00380 wrote:
But you don't care how much money you spend on the bike,why would you care about the mileage?Just buy more gas!



Quote:
My driver noted today that the bike had to go into reserve fuel at about 60 miles.  



"Cause he's paying someone else to RIDE the bike so he doesn't have to. Gotta economise somewhere  ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/01/17 at 15:58:30

MPG is an indicator of tune. He's trying to get it running right.

What exhaust system is on it?
Are you Sure your rider isn't stealing the gas?
Gas leaks?

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by oldNslow on 06/01/17 at 16:00:40


36292F2835320333033B29256E5C0 wrote:
MPG is an indicator of tune. He's trying to get it running right.

What exhaust system is on it?
Are you Sure your rider isn't stealing the gas?
Gas leaks?



I don't think it's the motorcycle that needs a tune-up.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/01/17 at 17:08:51


233C3A3D20271626162E3C307B490 wrote:
MPG is an indicator of tune. He's trying to get it running right.

What exhaust system is on it?
Are you Sure your rider isn't stealing the gas?
Gas leaks?


  I have no idea what exhaust is on it.  It has a short section of braided wire and about 1 foot of chrome at the end and emits towards outside, not the rear of the bike.

 I am not sure that the rider is not stealing gas but that an be checked by having someone else ride for a day.

 Gas leak might be an issue, there's a new Raptor petcock that is shut off when he bike is not being used.  I hear leaving it on isn't a good idea but maybe to look for a leak.

 Today at 2.3 gallons the bike travelled 86.6 miles before "Sputtering a few seconds then emitting a much louder than normal backfire then powering off."

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by oldNslow on 06/01/17 at 17:20:03


Quote:
 I have no idea what exhaust is on it.  It has a short section of braided wire and about 1 foot of chrome at the end and emits towards outside, not the rear of the bike.


Sounds like it might be a "conversely" pipe. I seem to remember a long series of posts about that a few years ago. Maybe the mods might remember it.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/01/17 at 19:06:02

What's the top speed it'll do?
What are the jets?

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by batman on 06/01/17 at 19:51:42

well then I'd say your getting 37.652173913 miles per gallon,with a 18.8268869565 mile reserve. that's not bad ,seeing you have a straight pipe and a 150/90/15 rear tire.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/01/17 at 19:58:39

The speedometer and odometer are under reporting ..
Find out how many miles the odometer is clocking versus Real miles traveled.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/01/17 at 20:09:58


 Using a digital GPS to track everything.  One Garmin Nuvi mounted to the handlebars and for the real stats a GPSmap64x to get miles/trail/speed stats.

 Top speed 66mph.  

 No idea what jets are.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/01/17 at 20:43:11

Unless your driver is four feet wide you're gonna be needing to rejet.

What is the odometer showing when the GPS reports a mile?

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/02/17 at 07:36:49


 Got a call back, the odometer/speedometer cable isn't even there.  

 I've got two of them sitting in the shop so I'll have one put on today and see what the difference is tomorrow.

 Rejet is carburation?  I can have a new one put in.  
 

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by batman on 06/02/17 at 08:42:01

A new carb that'll work  ::)

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by SALB on 06/02/17 at 10:55:51


4C4F5A434F401A162E0 wrote:
A new carb that'll work  ::)


Remove gas cap.  Park new bike under cap.  Replace cap.  Problem solved!  ;) ;D  

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/02/17 at 14:34:51


 Theres 2 versions of carburetor available for a 95 from what I can tell, a C41 and C51 (13200-24xxx) does it matter?  They are the same price.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/02/17 at 15:54:48

Jets cost about ten bucks, and that is the high end.

No speedometer cable, and it's not slinging oil?

For all I know your rider is lugging the snot outta the poor thing, or running first gear at thirty and below.

How it's Geared matters. Either calculate the circumference of Your tire and compare to stock or get the speedometer working and compare to the GPS.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by jcstokes on 06/02/17 at 17:07:23

Top road speed in fifth gear should be  in the 85-90 mph range for a stock bike in good condition. At the risk of causing increased fuel consumption,  could you go pillion behind your rider with a speedo app in your cell phone and thus check maximum speed, which would possibly drop to 80 mph with two on the bike?

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/02/17 at 17:14:57


1C3C3E362B3C590 wrote:
 Using a digital GPS to track everything.  One Garmin Nuvi mounted to the handlebars and for the real stats a GPSmap64x to get miles/trail/speed stats.

 Top speed 66mph.  

 No idea what jets are.



Drop the bowl and look at your jets.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by batman on 06/02/17 at 17:28:15

How is he going to rejet to that exhaust ?Listening to this guy ,I'm thinking this girl must be pretty brave just to throw a leg over this bike!

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/02/17 at 17:30:42

I'd start by looking at the jets and ditching the exhaust. Dyna time.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by oldNslow on 06/02/17 at 18:06:06


637C7A7D60675666566E7C703B090 wrote:
I'd start by looking at the jets and ditching the exhaust. Dyna time.


I think a better plan might be just to ditch this whole stupid conversation.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/02/17 at 18:35:46

I'm killing time just being here.

I'm still surprised it's running without a speedometer connected. And the owner didn't know..
Insufficient details Eeeegore,
And how much did it cost to do the work?
How's your squeak?

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/03/17 at 16:00:34


 The speedometer cable opening was "capped" with a metal cap of some kind and cut rubber on the inside.  I have a tank with a cable already attached so I just installed that one.  Left petcock on overnight, didn't see any leaks.

 There is about a 3mph difference, the bike reads 30 when true speed is 28, 40 at 37 and 50 at 47.  Top speed 69mph.

 Squeal is fine so far, I will update the appropriate thread when I'm done.

 Todays first run was 2.2 gallons 86 miles even before it died.  GPS data only.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by batman on 06/05/17 at 22:25:41

so your really getting 39.090909090909 mpg.WOW! 66mph ,now you can even speed( in some states).

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by eau de sauvage on 06/06/17 at 00:49:19

I nominate this as the worst thread ever. Just throwin' it out there.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/06/17 at 01:54:50

You're kinda new around here, aren't you?

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by SALB on 06/06/17 at 09:09:44


2221342D212E7478400 wrote:
WOW! 66mph ,now you can even speed( in some states).


That'll get you splattered like a bug around here! ;D

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/06/17 at 14:28:12


Theres 2 versions of carburetor available for a 95 from what I can tell, a C41 and C51 (13200-24xxx) does it matter?  They are the same price.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/06/17 at 16:19:02

What are you gonna do with the old one?

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/06/17 at 20:33:42


2A353334292E1F2F1F27353972400 wrote:
What are you gonna do with the old one?


 I try to keep 2 or 3 of each part around for repairs or screwing with.  Do you need one?

 Also do you know which one goes on a 95?

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/06/17 at 21:30:30

I don't Need one, but if it's gonna be in a drawer, I wouldn't mind if it was
My
Drawer..
And I didn't know they changed the carb.Jets yeah,

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by norm92de on 06/06/17 at 21:51:26

I don't know much but a properly tuned S40 will get 50 plus mpg if not ridden in a brutal fashion. I get in the high 50s with mine around town ridden within the speed limits.

If somebody can drive it down into the 30s I have no concept of how that can be. Obviously I am no GP racer. :'(

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Dave on 06/07/17 at 02:09:47

When I was breaking in my new piston and cylinder and was riding in a very "reserved" manner and avoiding full throttle and high rpm riding, I could get 62 mpg.  (I don't have saddlebags or a windshield).

When I am chasing Oldfeller and MMRanch around in the mountains, my mileage can drop down into the high 40's.

It makes a big difference how fast your ride, how big of headwind you fight, and how hilly it is were you ride.....and how well your carb is tuned.  Lean factory settings are good for fuel efficiency.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by kojones on 06/07/17 at 02:47:27


7F44495E4F43585E454D405F2C0 wrote:
When I was breaking in my new piston and cylinder and was riding in a very "reserved" manner and avoiding full throttle and high rpm riding, I could get 62 mpg.  (I don't have saddlebags or a windshield).


I'm currently in the same situation but got only 57 mpg  :D
But good to know, I was a bit worried if it's running a bit lean.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by buster6315 on 06/07/17 at 05:05:27


6261746D616E3438000 wrote:
But you don't care how much money you spend on the bike,why would you care about the mileage?Just buy more gas!
That's what I say!  And I like buying regular instead of the over-priced higher octane.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/07/17 at 05:29:34


4A5D5B5C4D5A1E1B191D280 wrote:
[quote author=6261746D616E3438000 link=1496280933/0#4 date=1496355304]But you don't care how much money you spend on the bike,why would you care about the mileage?Just buy more gas!
That's what I say!  And I like buying regular instead of the over-priced higher octane.
[/quote]

  Some people are just more concerned about my money than I am, so much so they need to keep bringing it up instead of answering questions.  I don't know why it matters, I'm not asking anyone here for a loan.

 From what I understand I cant tune a carb with my current exhaust so that's not an option until I get a new one.  I've bought a Dyna and two stock exhausts to try out later.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 06/07/17 at 06:11:05


7C6E7A796E686A0F0 wrote:
I nominate this as the worst thread ever. Just throwin' it out there.


I'll second the motion. Before voting are there any comments from the public?

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/07/17 at 06:18:08

I'd suggest you get the exhaust swapped to a Known Quantity first. Then what to do with the carb won't be a complete guessing game. There are guys here who can look at your elevation and have a good Starting point for what jets to try if you have a common exhaust. No telling what jets are in it. But dropping the bowl makes it easy enuff.
You can swap jets, IF they aren't stuck. And If you can get the bowl bolts loose. If nobody has busted them out in the last few years they can get stuck pretty good. Common move there is replace them with SS Allen heads. And use antisieze. I kept the stock bolts and used antisieze..
I'm surprised at the low top speed..with such fuel usage.
Swapping out the carb is a good bit more hassle than it looks like. I'd be looking inside at the jets first. And for sure get an exhaust system on it that is a proven winner.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by stewmills on 06/07/17 at 06:28:07

My MPG usually fluctuates between two values: (1) Bike running well and (2) having fun!  As long as those two values are present my MPG is perfect.

I can only guess that I get about 50mpg with my jetting as well as the 'money I get back' for the larger rear tire and KAW front pulley, but at this point in my 5 year riding career I finally stopped worrying. I mark my mileage on my trip meter and start looking for a gas station at nearly 100 miles and so far I haven't walked.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/07/17 at 06:44:34

Yep, I mark the speedometer glass with a China Marker from Hobby Lobby. Stays on through everything but a scrubbing. At around 100 miles I'm looking for gas.
My riding and the windshield and bags delivers upper to mid forties depending on the wind. It's not uncommon to look down and see 70 indicated.. And that's around 76 in real MPH, I try to not be running it that way,, I just can't help myself..

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by ohiomoto on 06/07/17 at 07:03:47

I ride mostly back roads with some hills while commuting to work and probably average 45 mph over the course of my ride.  I'm getting mid 44-46 mpg out of every tank with a dyna muffler, 150/50 main/pilot jets, white spacer mod, stock airbox and gearing.   I'd like to bump that up to 50+ mpg.

I'm 6'3" and 250 lbs so maybe I just have to lose a few pounds.   :)

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/07/17 at 07:25:19

I'd expect strapping a 1/2 sheet of plywood on it would affect the mileage. It's not so much the weight, but the drag that's eating horsepower. Still, at those speeds I'd expect better,even with you sitting up straight.
What handlebars you using?
Is there a lot of stopping and starting?

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/07/17 at 08:44:13


 Both riders have pointed out they feel/hear no noticeable difference between 4th and 5th gear.  I cant recall anything odd when it was on the lift but I was just listening for noise/measuring movement in the shaft, the belt wasn't on yet.

 There's no noticeable feedback in the peg or whatever its called used to shift gears on the toe and no sound.  The peg moves but no major RPM changes, no speed increase.  Top speed is tested on a private flat road with older but pretty smooth pavement.  If wind speeds get dangerous I have the bike loaded on a truck and bring it in that way.  

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Dave on 06/07/17 at 08:47:32

The spread between the 4th and 5th gear is very small - we all wish it was bigger.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/07/17 at 08:57:15


142F2235242833352E262B34470 wrote:
The spread between the 4th and 5th gear is very small - we all wish it was bigger.


 I was wondering if that was the case.  Maybe they just started doing it because 5 speeds sell better.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Dave on 06/07/17 at 09:09:52

Perhaps....but it would have been nice if 5th gear was more suited to the 70 mph speeds the interstate highways allow.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by batman on 06/07/17 at 09:17:18

Ohiomoto,Why are you running a 50 pilot? the stock one should be 52.5 unless you changed it. If you did you may be having to run your idle screw in farther ,keeping the slide from closing fully,and using more fuel at idle and slower speeds, I'd go back to the 52.5 or a 55 pilot and you might see an improvement of one or two mpg.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by ohiomoto on 06/07/17 at 09:18:21


59797B736E791C0 wrote:
.... If wind speeds get dangerous I have the bike loaded on a truck and bring it in that way.  
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Where do you live that the wind speeds keep your riders from actually riding the bike back?

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by batman on 06/07/17 at 09:25:15

He lives in "Never never (ride your own bike) Land"

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by ohiomoto on 06/07/17 at 09:34:37


5F5C49505C5309053D0 wrote:
Ohiomoto,Why are you running a 50 pilot? the stock one should be 52.5 unless you changed it. If you did you may be having to run your idle screw in farther ,keeping the slide from closing fully,and using more fuel at idle and slower speeds.
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PO had 155/55 combo in there and it was too rich.  I was getting low 40s mpg if I was lucky.  The air screw is about 1-1/2 turns out and it has very little affect on overall performance and MPGs.  

I think the bike is still a bit rich on top as it runs a little better in the cool mornings than it does in the afternoons on warmer days.  I gets a bit of a flat spot in the upper mid range as it comes off the needle.  Pulls great off the bottom end in all conditions.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by ohiomoto on 06/07/17 at 09:43:28


2023362F232C767A420 wrote:
He lives in "Never never (ride your own bike) Land"
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To be fair, the OP might not be able to ride.  Mitch Payton of Pro Circuit runs highly successful AMA PRO racing teams from a wheelchair.  Maybe he/she runs some sort of Savage team, but I bet they are either a troll or just a little odd in their behavior.  Doesn't really matter to me either way.  They ask questions, are respectful to others and seem to have some sort of motivation for being on here.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by norm92de on 06/07/17 at 11:33:40

Batman,
Why would Ohiomoto need to turn the idle mixture screw "in" instead of out?

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by batman on 06/07/17 at 15:00:01

Ohiomoto All jets are cumulative ,the fact that you have a flat spot in the mid to high throttle range ,tells me your idle jet is too small .You've already done the spacer mod,and it would be silly to change the needle jet ,jet needle ,that only leaves the pilot jet to blame for your lean condition.It also may be causing you to run a more open throttle to compensate . I would urge you to try the 52.5 pilot and retune your mix screw ,I believe you would no longer have the flat spot in mid range and would really get better mileage,I ran the 52.5/150 with a dyna at 500ft elevation in the Rochester N.Y.  area and avg.48to 52 mpg .(read next post)

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by batman on 06/07/17 at 15:10:05

Norm, It 's possible he forgot to turn his idle speed down and the slide was a bit off seat, He did say that when he adjusted the screw he couldn't hear any difference.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/07/17 at 19:15:53


6067666062607B600F0 wrote:
[quote author=59797B736E791C0 link=1496280933/45#47 date=1496850253].... If wind speeds get dangerous I have the bike loaded on a truck and bring it in that way.  
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Where do you live that the wind speeds keep your riders from actually riding the bike back?
[/quote]

 The bike is in Eastern Colorado.  There's severe winds and storms this time of year so while I'm gone I've instructed people to stop riding and wait for a pickup if certain weather conditions are met.  

 I don't know why people care who is riding a bike, I see nothing in the rules here indicating I need to be physically on a Savage to use these forums so whatever comments there are regarding me riding a bike are just personal issues and have nothing to do with assisting each other.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/07/17 at 19:31:09


72494453424E555348404D52210 wrote:
Perhaps....but it would have been nice if 5th gear was more suited to the 70 mph speeds the interstate highways allow.


The front pulley mod does that fine.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 06/08/17 at 04:54:55


5E7E7C74697E1B0 wrote:
I don't know why people care who is riding a bike, I see nothing in the rules here indicating I need to be physically on a Savage to use these forums so whatever comments there are regarding me riding a bike are just personal issues and have nothing to do with assisting each other.


Here's the deal, people join forums like this one because they love motorcycles, love owning them, love maintaining them, and yes - they love riding them. You admit in one of your early posts that you acquired your bike to "help out a friend". Do don't seem to understand motorcycles, you have unorthodox (even dangerous) ideas as to how to perform maintenance and you clearly don't care much for riding. Imagine bringing home a new girlfriend and asking your neighbors to sleep with her because you really don't have an interest - that's what we see. Oh, the icing on the cake - you ask for advice, you get the best advice available anywhere in the world (short of maybe the Suzuki cubicles where the Savage was designed) - and you tell us why we're wrong and ignore the advice. In my world, we call people like that a-holes.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by ohiomoto on 06/08/17 at 05:26:27

Eegore,

I like CO, but the eastern plains has to be a rough life.   Like I said, I don't care much about some of your odd methods.  You seem to have a interest in the Savage.


Batman,  

You might be right except the bike runs better when it's cold which would indicate the exact opposite or a lean condition.   The fact that our jetting is nearly identical (elevation around here is 650-1100) and you are getting better economy tells me that my size and riding conditions might just be that I'm a big guy. :)

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/08/17 at 05:58:52

Quote- "Here's the deal, people join forums like this one because they love motorcycles, love owning them, love maintaining them, and yes - they love riding them. You admit in one of your early posts that you acquired your bike to "help out a friend". Do don't seem to understand motorcycles, you have unorthodox (even dangerous) ideas as to how to perform maintenance and you clearly don't care much for riding. Imagine bringing home a new girlfriend and asking your neighbors to sleep with her because you really don't have an interest - that's what we see. Oh, the icing on the cake - you ask for advice, you get the best advice available anywhere in the world (short of maybe the Suzuki cubicles where the Savage was designed) - and you tell us why we're wrong and ignore the advice. In my world, we call people like that a-holes.[/quote]

 It might help when you "quote" someone to use the actual words.  I did not buy the bike to help out a friend, I bought it because I like the bike, I owned two in the past but I paid more than its value to help out a guy that lost his job.  

 But semantics aren't unimportant, the point is you indicate I am saying things I have not said.  I have not said any of you were wrong, however I did question how I could be told a tire wont fit when its on the bike with no rub marks on the swingarm, and other members here use the exact tire.  

 I questioned how a noise issue could be a belt tension issue when the belt was cut off and sitting 10 feet away and the noise persisted.  So toss me an example where I actually said anything along the lines of any of the people here being wrong.  Also an example of me posting useless condescending comments in other posts would interest me.

 For instance I ask what carb goes on a 95 and it takes forever for someone to answer because people would rather try to convince someone they don't want a new carb than just answering the question.

 Imagine you bring home a new girlfriend and ask her what she wants to eat, she says steak and you spend the night telling her she doesn't because other food is cheaper.

 


Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by batman on 06/08/17 at 21:58:05


1434363E2334510 wrote:
[quote author=6067666062607B600F0 link=1496280933/45#52 date=1496852301][quote author=59797B736E791C0 link=1496280933/45#47 date=1496850253].... If wind speeds get dangerous I have the bike loaded on a truck and bring it in that way.  
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Where do you live that the wind speeds keep your riders from actually riding the bike back?
[/quote]

 The bike is in Eastern Colorado.  There's severe winds and storms this time of year so while I'm gone I've instructed people to stop riding and wait for a pickup if certain weather conditions are met.  

 I don't know why people care who is riding a bike, I see nothing in the rules here indicating I need to be physically on a Savage to use these forums so whatever comments there are regarding me riding a bike are just personal issues and have nothing to do with assisting each other.[/quote]
"Assisting each other" ,Now there's a wonderful thought! we have assisted you with all kinds of info which you have completely ignored ,your like talking to a wall! but how have you assisted us? I have concluded by your resent statement that you have previously owned two other savages that the reason you have two or three of everything is that they are now in baskets.I believe under your expert care the bike you have now will soon need its own basket.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/08/17 at 23:02:59

 Toss me an example of something Ive "completely ignored".

 Also toss me an example of some forum regulation that people must follow given advice in order to not have condescending remarks posted instead of on-topic responses.

 I do not have the knowledge to provide a lot of information but Ive sent Dave, free of charge, lights for his LED headlight experiment, which he has publically posted.   Also Ive offered to send any assembly he needs, also I've offered to send a contributing member a used or new carb.  I've sent extra parts, free of charge to people on here.

 Maybe that doesn't count, maybe I need to be a mechanic or machinist in order to be a contributor.  What I do know is I don't talk negatively about you, or anyone else on here because I don't have an emotional connection to what other Savage owners do with their bikes.

 Lets say I've ran 20 motorcycles into the ground, and there's 20 baskets of motorcycle parts in a junkyard... why do you care?  Have you thought about that?  Nobody makes you log into this forum.

 If you have an answer to a question just answer and let it go,  Might save you some stress.

 

 

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by gizzo on 06/08/17 at 23:23:41


7656545C4156330 wrote:

 Also toss me an example of some forum regulation that people must follow given advice in order to not have condescending remarks posted instead of on-topic responses.



 


There's no regulation, it's just a free added extra that comes with any forum on the interwebs. Everyone's an expert, don'tcha know? Don't worry about it.
Personally, your project seems weird to me but if it makes you happy, more power to ya. That's all that matters to me. Same goes for hardtail builders, moustache waxers, and bling polishers.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by jcstokes on 06/08/17 at 23:25:36

Could you post photos of the exhaust system and the bike? this may help some of the carburettor people to give you accurate information. Please ride the machine yourself, if the wind conditions permit.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/08/17 at 23:28:58


494050574C484650230 wrote:
Could you post photos of the exhaust system and the bike? this may help some of the carburettor people to give you accurate information. Please ride the machine yourself, if the wind conditions permit.



 I'll see if I can get something up, I am not where the bike is,.  

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/10/17 at 16:14:31

 A link to a YouTube video of the current exhaust plus a pic.

https://youtu.be/kMEAMcg6fB0




Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by jcstokes on 06/10/17 at 18:32:20

I take it the video was made before much riding was done, at least the carb people can see the type of exhaust. The rear tyre seems very close to the frame, It may help to know what size the rear tyre is.. Could you post another video and or pictures showing the entire bike? This gives the techies a better idea of what they are dealing with.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by Eegore on 06/10/17 at 19:28:14

 The video was made after 7890 miles were put on it.  Its a 150/90 tire, it has almost 2000 miles on it we estimate.  I'm running it to see where/what fails regarding the belt and pulleys.

 As for the exhaust I have no idea what that is.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by jcstokes on 06/10/17 at 22:56:05

My apologies, in the photo, the clutch cable was removed.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by eau de sauvage on 06/10/17 at 23:38:40

@buster6315And I like buying regular instead of the over-priced higher octane.


I used to think the dearer, higher octane petrols were better because you know they like cost more and have bigger number, but then I discovered what octane really means and that you can damage an engine like the ancient Savage with hi octane gas meant for an engine designed for it.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by IslandRoad on 06/11/17 at 00:48:38


51435754434547220 wrote:
@buster6315And I like buying regular instead of the over-priced higher octane.


I used to think the dearer, higher octane petrols were better because you know they like cost more and have bigger number, but then I discovered what octane really means and that you can damage an engine like the ancient Savage with hi octane gas meant for an engine designed for it.


Eau, I worl in a "small engine" workshop (power tools and bikes). I'm not a mechanic BTW. The boss tells me that here in Aus The best fuel for us is the 95 Octane. 98 contains detergents to 'clean' car engines, and 91 also has additives - e10 is rubbish. I've seen pistons pulled from engines that have been run on 91 and 98. It's not pretty!

There's a particular service station near here that heavily markets e10. I reckon their regular fuel is also mixed. When I've filled up there in the past, the bike doesn't run the same. The guys in the workshop can tell if someone is using that fuel just from the smell.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by batman on 06/11/17 at 19:50:03

Octane is a rating of the antiknock properties of fuel,not the power.If your bike's carb is tuned ,thinking you bike" runs better "on high octane gas is pure illusion on your part.

Title: Re: Average MPG - KM/L ?
Post by buster6315 on 06/11/17 at 20:11:37


56554059555A000C340 wrote:
Octane is a rating of the antiknock properties of fuel,not the power.If your bike's carb is tuned ,thinking you bike" runs better "on high octane gas is pure illusion on your part.


And thus 'Perception is reality'

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