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Title: headlights side by side Post by springman on 05/29/17 at 18:31:20 We had the opportunity to compare the standard Savage halogen head light on Lancer's bike, with the Daymaker on Versi's bike, and the led bulb in the regular Savage bucket on my bike. It was obvious the daymaker was the best of the three. The daymaker was extremely bright with good lighting to the right and left of center and in the center it looked like a spot light. The led bulb was also extremely bright with the best lighting at the center and then going to the sides in alternating bands of bright and not so bright. The standard halogen light was not nearly as bright and was visibly yellowish as compared with the above. I do not know the cost of the led bulb Dave lent me but I suspect that for the money it is the best alternative. Versi, please let everyone know a bit more about your daymaker set up and roughly what it cost. |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by engineer on 05/29/17 at 19:45:36 Did you get a chance to compare them in bright daylight as to which one is most visible at a distance? |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by verslagen1 on 05/29/17 at 19:56:02 64666D666F666A70030 wrote:
Absolutely no comparison. When I was in the lead I could easily see springman's light... the only other LED light in the group. And seeing his light I knew the group was together as he usually rode cleanup. Comparing his light against Steve's dual halogen... it looked like it was off. |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by verslagen1 on 05/29/17 at 20:49:31 http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-Chrome-LED-Daymaker-Headlight-Mounting-Ring-For-Harley-Electra-Glide-Classic-/282230961052?hash=item41b646b39c:g:ZTcAAOSwHsRYDdtN Mine didn't come with the brackets, but you'll probably need them. About $50 inc ship. p/n 7040BB, 40w high, 30w low beam, silver reflector and came with 2 different cable adapters for canbus or a waterproof connector. A sticker on the box says Turbo S11 chrome 7 inch R Star V Star M/C I had a bucket from a Victory Vegas which had the backplate of the adapter, but not the front part. So it fits loosely and I made a washer from a tire tube... I will need two as it rattles. I thought it was a great deal at $30 |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by Dave on 05/30/17 at 05:52:59 I learned a lot about filament vs. LED bulbs this weekend. The big problem with installing LED bulbs into reflectors made for filament bulbs, is that the location of the LED emitter is not in the same place the filaments are in the bulb. The result is that the reflector can't direct the LED light where it should go.....and a lot of light shines up beyond the vertical cut off that is supposed to keep it from shining up into oncoming traffic. The Daymaker style lights are designed to use lenses rather than reflectors, and "good" ones can direct the light better (bad ones are just too bright and a menace....we have a few Jeep owners in my area that really should be arrested for the amount of light they are throwing at everybody. If TinyPic gets their photo service working again....I can post some photos that show a really big difference in the light pattern created by a filament vs. LED in the same reflector. |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/17 at 06:41:41 I sure hope a workable pairing of lamp/bucket comes out of all of the study. |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by Dave on 05/30/17 at 07:11:21 There is no doubt that a better than stock Savage light can be found - however just like any of the other improvements done on the Savage, there may not be a "one fits all" solution. Installing a Silverstar bulb helps......and the change is easy but the bulbs don't last nearly as long as a stock bulb. The stock reflector can benefit from an LED bulb - we are currently searching for an affordable one to recommend. The market changes constantly however, and there are hundreds to choose from. And the stock bucket doesn't have much room inside for cooling braids, fans or cables and drivers associated with a lot of LED units - and the bulb has to work with the rubber seal on the back of the headlight if you don't want your reflector to have moisture and dirt issues. Bigger headlight buckets can be used, and this allows for bigger and more efficient reflectors. Then you get into the issue of choosing a reflector, filament bulb or LED.....or daymaker. They are now starting to make LED units that have the light sources in the location that the filament is on a regular bulb....and these are making it possible to get much more usable light out of the reflector. Unfortunately this technology is not being used on the $30 Chinese LED's yet....this truly is a "you get what you pay for" technology at the moment. A lot of these are designed for cars, and they won't work with the rubber seal on the back of the headlight (and headlights are incredibly hard to clean and keep streak and lint free). Notice in the photo below how the LED units are in the nearly the same place as the filament, and the shields on the LED are also reflectors that direct the light....rather than just blocking it. (These won't fit in the stock Savage bucket, and they may not work with the rubber seal). |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/30/17 at 07:20:17 Soooo Close,, |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by engineer on 06/08/17 at 18:54:26 Here is a site that has LED bulbs listed for about any vehicle. https://www.superbrightleds.com/vehicle/2005-suzuki-s40-boulevard?make=75&model=3203&year=2005 After reading this thread I'm considering an LED headlight replacement for visibility reasons (I don't ride at night). I'm also interested in an LED tail light/brake light replacement. These guys have a headlight kit that might do the job. There is also a resistor kit but it doesn't seem to be mandatory except on bikes that monitor the various systems. Any opinions on the headlight kit or which one of he many tail light "bulbs" would be appropriate. |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by stewmills on 06/09/17 at 06:57:55 Engineer, I am pretty sure this is the tail light bulb I have in my S40 and Ninja: https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/tail-brake-turn/1157-led-bulb-w-brake-flasher-dual-function-1-high-power-led-bay15d-retrofit-car/923/2274/ It provides proper light in daytime and nighttime, and the flasher technology works as advertised with no extra resistors or accessories required. Plug it in and go. |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by LANCER on 06/09/17 at 07:46:07 I have purchased 2 NOE buckets from sporty/dyna's and will be installing 5 3/4" Daymaker's for REX & the Purple People Eater. Let there be light ! |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by youzguyz on 06/09/17 at 07:58:16 202D222F293E7E7B4C0 wrote:
What is an "NOE bucket"? |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by springman on 06/09/17 at 20:22:29 Any opinions on this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x-H4-40W-8LED-COB-Super-Bright-Motorcycle-Headlight-Hi-Lo-Beam-Bulb-6500K-White/201922212267?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D815399847848430bafcb67a800921338%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D201922212267 |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by verslagen1 on 06/09/17 at 21:01:50 not that it isn't cheap enough to try, but something fishy about it. in the hi/low pics... they purposely back the bike up to get the low beam off the door. cut off might be ok. specs are 2000/1500 lumens 50000/100000 hours btw 50000 is 17 years at 8 hours a day 8-) I'd worry about heat dissipation though, no heat sink at all. |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by springman on 06/09/17 at 21:09:59 The heat dissipation is exactly what I was concerned about. I guess I will pass on this one. I do not want to fry anything inside my headlight bucket. |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by LANCER on 06/10/17 at 03:42:46 786E747B6674787B010 wrote:
What is an "NOE bucket"?[/quote] Bucket: The housing that holds the light NOE: New, but old inventory |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by SALB on 06/10/17 at 08:37:15 404D424F495E1E1B2C0 wrote:
What is an "NOE bucket"?[/quote] Bucket: The housing that holds the light NOE: New, but old inventory [/quote] That's a term I'd never heard of, either. In classic car restoration, it's called NOS, or "new"-old stock. |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by LANCER on 06/10/17 at 14:34:36 You are correct, I had a senior moment apparently. It is NOS, not NOE. There is an NOE term and it seems like it was in the military. I am thinking it was for "Nap Of the Earth", which is a type of flying when staying as low as possible while following the terrain, in order to avoid detection or evading enemy fire. |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by old.indian on 06/10/17 at 15:21:02 I don't ride at night, so the standard S40 front lighting is sufficient for my needs (here). That said, I would be interested in improving taillight/ brake light visibility to the rear.... A major increase in candle power when I am on the brakes is what is needed..... |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by youzguyz on 06/10/17 at 15:48:09 49444B4640571712250 wrote:
I wouldn't have know what NOS was either.. :D |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by SALB on 06/10/17 at 15:53:20 57545C1651565C515956380 wrote:
Highly recommended https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/tail-brake-turn/1157-led-bulb-w-brake-flasher-dual-function-1-high-power-led-bay15d-retrofit-car/923/ |
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Title: Re: headlights side by side Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/10/17 at 21:18:49 455349465B4945463C0 wrote:
I wouldn't have know what NOS was either.. :D [/quote] Nap of the Earth is what dead people do. MAP of the Earth is under the radar autopilot. It's low and fast and if the pilot decides to Help the plane fly, he winds up taking a Nap of the Earth. |
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