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Title: CCT Destruction! Post by Andy RN on 05/23/17 at 12:51:27 >18mm? http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f60/Andrew_Mylko/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1049_zpszr8iraox.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Andrew_Mylko/media/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1049_zpszr8iraox.jpg.html) The opening to the adjuster housing got a good thrashing... http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f60/Andrew_Mylko/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1050_zpspwz7efax.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Andrew_Mylko/media/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1050_zpspwz7efax.jpg.html) And this is the face you make when you can't cry (like when your GF is taking pictures)... http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f60/Andrew_Mylko/Savage%20Forum/IMG_2168_zpsgke4iwio.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Andrew_Mylko/media/Savage%20Forum/IMG_2168_zpsgke4iwio.jpg.html) Put me down for 43,838 miles! The spring came out of the housing, but it appeared to be in good shape - no bends or anything, which leads me to believe it sat in the bottom of the clutch cover (rather than swim around). So I can hope. So now that I know... where else should I check for damage? Thanks! |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by Andy RN on 05/23/17 at 13:17:13 Wait... there's a spring lodged inside the plunger... http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f60/Andrew_Mylko/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1051_zps15c97z2l.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Andrew_Mylko/media/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1051_zps15c97z2l.jpg.html) So can anyone tell me about the spring that did fall out when I removed the clutch cover? Show here beside an 8mm socket for scale: http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f60/Andrew_Mylko/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1052_zpsdbyclx9a.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Andrew_Mylko/media/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1052_zpsdbyclx9a.jpg.html) Thanks! |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by Tocsik on 05/23/17 at 13:27:43 My guess is the spring broke and a few coils are what is lodged inside the plunger. The rest is what was inside the cover. Bummer man. Hope it all turns out OK. |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by norm92de on 05/23/17 at 14:02:21 Mr. Verslagen is where you need to go. If there are no other bits floating around you may have dodged a bullet. Metal in the engine is your worst enemy. Andy, I hope it all turns out well looks like you may get away with it. |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by norm92de on 05/23/17 at 14:10:28 Andy, How long did it run like that? Must have made a hell of a racket. :'( Are the gears ok? They look good. |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by Tocsik on 05/23/17 at 14:14:13 There are some places you can stick a magnetic pickup tool through to the other side of the lower end of the motor. If you have one of these, it would be good to fish around and see what comes up. Down where I have the paper towels stuffed in the pic. http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k548/Tocsik87/S40/CCT/case%20open_zpskdo28vos.jpg (http://s1115.photobucket.com/user/Tocsik87/media/S40/CCT/case%20open_zpskdo28vos.jpg.html) |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by norm92de on 05/23/17 at 14:31:34 Andy, Find out if anybody knows how many coils are on the stock tensioner spring. It may be possible to prove that the remaining spring pieces are all there is. The aluminum that is missing in action may be your worst problem. I've got my fingers crossed for you. |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/23/17 at 14:36:11 I'd have both sides off, light wire, small rags, diesel,, compressed air would be great. |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by Andy RN on 05/24/17 at 15:42:13 Thanks, guys. Norm - Life's got me busy, but I will remove the spring and count the coils ASAIK. It did make noise, but it wasn't as bad as I would have thought. I didn't have a place to work on the bike, and it was my only transportation, so I put near 300 miles on it after the noise started. Justin - What would I use the light wire for? What would I be checking on the other side? Everybody - Do you think I need to remove the engine? I mean, I was thinking that I would probably have to measure the cam chain (the 21-pin thing) to make sure it's in spec - and I would have to remove the engine for that, right? Also, I have read that these kinds of failures can cause timing problems, and that the valves can hit the piston and so forth... like here: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1172586621/56#56 So I would have to take out the engine to check all that, right? Or is there another way to proceed? Many thanks, again! |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/24/17 at 16:15:54 Sorry,, I'd be flushing it with diesel and looking for any tiny specs to mop up with the little rag tied to my wife.. I'd be gutting the oil filter and looking for signs of metal in it, any metal, aluminium, I would consider trying to back flush the oil galley, if there is much sign the engine ran a bit pumping carp in the oil. Maybe, its a thought,, That's a bit much, see what the others say. I get really anxious about chunks of ground up metal running around, oil pumps can be hurt, rotten mess,, good luck with it. |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by Andy RN on 05/24/17 at 17:55:26 Oh, don't be sorry. I'm a novice mechanic, so I have to ask questions that are pretty basic. For example, you mentioned flushing the oil galley, and I don't know what or where that is :P When flushing, what tools would I need? Specifically, would I need power tools or an air compressor (I think someone mentioned that earlier). All I have now are hand tools - hence I ask. I'm pretty sure the oil filter had fine grains of metal in it, but I will take a pic and post it just to be sure. I'm going to read up on the forum and Clymer's before I move forward. As I have a day job, this process might take several weeks before I have a game plan and gather all the tools/instruments I need. So please accept my apologies if I periodically shoot out emails and beginner questions over the next few weeks. Thanks in advance for your patience! |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by Dave on 05/24/17 at 18:17:10 I doubt that you got anything in an oil galley.....it would first have to get past the screen on the bottom of the oil pump, then get through the pump, and then through the filter - there won't be anything large enough to cause any damage coming out of the filter.....it's job is to stop that kind of stuff. There could be something laying in the bottom of the sump, and it wouldn't hurt anything to try and flush that out the drain hole with a diesel fuel or kerosene wash. |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/25/17 at 06:09:31 Take Dave's post . I'm clearly not firing on all three cylinders. |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by Andy RN on 05/25/17 at 10:26:01 Thanks, Dave. I will put diesel sump flush on my list of things to do. If this happened to your bike, would you do anything else? Additional info: I'm over 43K miles and I think I have the "dreaded head plug leak". |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/25/17 at 10:56:14 If this happened to your bike, would you do anything else? Yes. You should do your best imitation of the winner of the big prize on the Price is Right. Usually they are D.O.A. when the tensioner pukes the spring. You made 45,000 miles? I wonder if anyone has ever been in there... |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by Andy RN on 05/25/17 at 14:44:26 2A353334292E1F2F1F27353972400 wrote:
;D Yeah, dude. Seriously. I think I put on another 400 miles or so on it after the CCT died! I didn't want to, but I had no other transportation at the time, and I didn't have tools or a space to work :-[ Maybe I should buy some lottery tickets. If I drank, I would add EtOH self-flush to my "to do " list as well. |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/25/17 at 14:52:40 Maybe I should buy some lottery tickets.. Don't push it. You already used more luck up than some people get. In fact, you should be Extra careful for a while. |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by Andy RN on 05/29/17 at 14:56:56 Several people told me I should post a picture of the oil filter. Here's what I got. Looks like it's littered with lots of metal flecks: http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f60/Andrew_Mylko/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1086_zpsljnrl40j.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Andrew_Mylko/media/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1086_zpsljnrl40j.jpg.html) http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f60/Andrew_Mylko/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1087_zpshdffgp60.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Andrew_Mylko/media/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1087_zpshdffgp60.jpg.html) http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f60/Andrew_Mylko/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1088_zpsl5stpbei.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Andrew_Mylko/media/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1088_zpsl5stpbei.jpg.html) http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f60/Andrew_Mylko/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1089_zpssisipemv.jpg (http://s45.photobucket.com/user/Andrew_Mylko/media/Savage%20Forum/IMG_1089_zpssisipemv.jpg.html) |
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Title: Re: CCT Destruction! Post by batman on 05/29/17 at 16:00:16 Ground cam tensioner housing! better flush the sump! |
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