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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Running bike on a lift long-term /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1494539420 Message started by Eegore on 05/11/17 at 14:50:20 |
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Title: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Eegore on 05/11/17 at 14:50:20 My first test run is going to be 3000 miles and I wanted to do this in a shop where it can be done in a day (please note that's an exaggeration). The issue of course is an air-cooled engine so I was wondering if I should look into some type of blower on the engine, or if it could just be run in open air for 3k miles? I built a wind-tunnel years ago to test vibration on a 4-runner antennae and still have some high powered motors from that. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Kenny G on 05/11/17 at 15:00:23 I am anxious to hear how the 3000 miles in one day works for you. Kenny |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Eegore on 05/11/17 at 15:01:58 654B406D5C4F5D462E0 wrote:
Yeah I know. The point is its a lot faster to run the miles in one spot and I don't have to find someone to go ride it. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by springman on 05/11/17 at 15:11:59 I have no idea what the purpose of this is but 3000 miles in one day is 125 mph for 24 hours. Good luck! |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Eegore on 05/11/17 at 15:15:44 525153484F464C404F210 wrote:
A mighty Savage should be able to handle that! I'm exaggerating, I mean its faster to run it at a shop than on roads and I don't need to find someone to go put the miles on. Just find someone that can add fuel and keep an eye on things. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by verslagen1 on 05/11/17 at 15:37:12 Why? You need a blower to simulate the speed at which you are running it. At 70mph indicated, you will need to monitor the oil as well. It's recommended to vary the speed during break in, so I think this would be a good idea as well. I think I would tape the spokes to create fan blades so you'd have some load on it. Of course, this will create a side load that you need to brace for. I would also monitor oil temp which can be done with an IR meter on the oil filter cover. And the head temp with the same meter. Otherwise there are bolt mounted temp gages that work well that you can attach to the sparkplug and the front oil pressure port. madness... madness |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by SALB on 05/11/17 at 15:50:10 OK, I'm confused? :-? How did we get from a whine in third gear to deciding whether to put 3000 miles on the bike on a stand vs. road? :-? Please fill us in as to how you fixed the chirp. Inquiring minds want to know. ;) |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Eegore on 05/11/17 at 16:07:28 I haven't fixed the squealing front pulley, but the bikes in for a rebuild and Im having any parts related to it replaced. So stage two will be seeing if I can get it to happen again and while I originally thought I'd put 7000 miles (the current odometer reading) it occurred to me that the rear tire probably only has 1000 miles at most. Once I get the repairs/replacements done I have to put the miles on he new parts to see what happens. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Eegore on 05/11/17 at 16:10:16 455641405F5254565D02330 wrote:
I'm sure I have an IR sitting around, thanks for the advice there. I always forget about the oil. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by oldNslow on 05/11/17 at 16:14:18 Quote:
Well, if you hook the three gas tanks you "got coming in"to the one that's already on the bike he won't have to add any fuel for the first 450 miles anyway. ;D ::) Make his job a little easier. :D |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Eegore on 05/11/17 at 16:20:52 4B7574786A7677190 wrote:
Ive only got two, I already promised one to someone else. Would be cool though. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by oldNslow on 05/11/17 at 16:30:44 6545474F5245200 wrote:
Ive only got two, I already promised one to someone else. Would be cool though.[/quote] Wow! You're not only crazy; you're immune to sarcasm too, Astonishing. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/11/17 at 16:56:10 If he has the money to do it his way, that's eccentric. Not crazy.. just inconceivably different from the regular guy, saving money, doing the work, trying to get on the road as soon and inexpensively as possible, without compromising reliability. Those are not your goals. I'll cheer. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by norm92de on 05/11/17 at 17:23:11 Somebody has to be nuts. I'm not sure who. Maybe me. ::) |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Dave on 05/11/17 at 17:46:53 Maybe I am the weird one here - but I prefer to break in a rebuilt engine out on the road where the wind does the cooling, and I can vary the engine speed and applied loads to help ensure a proper seal on the piston rings, and enjoy the process. I can't understand what is to be gained by putting miles on a stationary motorcycle. (Are you sure you aren't Cheapnewb24 come back to haunt/taunt us?). |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Eegore on 05/11/17 at 18:39:34 310A0710010D16100B030E11620 wrote:
I have no idea who Cheapnewb24 is, I just have a Savage as a thing to mess around with. Easy to work on when I crash it. What I want to do is see if I can replicate the conditions that caused the front pulley bearings to squeal. Its just easier to run it in a shop than to find/pay someone to go ride it around for a few days. I see what you are saying about breaking the engine in but on this round I'm just looking at the pulleys/bearings/belt. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by oldNslow on 05/11/17 at 18:43:50 Quote:
How many times have you crashed it? |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Eegore on 05/11/17 at 18:56:46 043A3B37253938560 wrote:
3 at low speeds |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by oldNslow on 05/11/17 at 19:04:06 735351594453360 wrote:
3 at low speeds[/quote] Maybe you ought to take some of that money you don't mind spending on parts you may or may not need, and buy yourself a better helmet. I'm pretty sure that the squeaking noise your'e trying to fix is coming from between your ears. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Ruttly on 05/11/17 at 20:42:13 Maybe a Motorcycle Safety Course ! Or Ok I'll be nice , wow what restraint |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Ruttly on 05/11/17 at 20:47:37 Training wheels , don't your feet reach the ground ? Crap , you all know I couldn't help myself ! |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by batman on 05/11/17 at 21:06:57 Ruttly,did you say OIL!(please don't get this guy started)We really don't know what planet he's from. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by jcstokes on 05/11/17 at 23:17:28 I don't have the technical knowledge of the other posters, however, I note that the handbook specifies that break in is over at 1600 miles at which point the theoretical 6500 maximum rpm can be used. I feel, with respect, that it may not be necessary to attempt 3000 miles on a stand. Surely any incompetently managed overhaul would show up faults in a thousand miles or less. As others have pointed out, the book specifies the need to vary rpm, so you will be continually standing by the bike to do this. You may in fact find it acceptable to do 500 miles on your stand. Easily accomplished in a day, provided you have a good supply of coffee, tea, alcohol, or whatever takes your fancy. you can then get 2500 miles of pleasure riding it, at a 70 mph cruising speed, this should take 35.714285 hours. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Dave on 05/12/17 at 03:23:09 7B5B59514C5B3E0 wrote:
Cheapnewb24 was a member who chose to ignore the advice being given by the knowledgeable members of this forum - some of which have been riding and working on motorcycles for 50+ years, and have hundreds of thousands of miles in the saddle. Instead he would overthink just about every issue.....and continue down his self guided path of destruction. He started out with a running Savage, and converted it to a a pile of parts in a very short period of time - the proceeded to do the same with a dual sport bike he bought as a replacement for the damaged Savage. Here is an example of a Cheapnewb thread......4 pages on buying an oil filter. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1473183189/0 8 pages on why you should not trust a torque wrench: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1471280516/0 8 pages of using Rotella as fork oil....or mixing up his own: http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1452127820/0 Until your engine is torn down and the cause of the squeal is found, you won't know what the problem is.....and running your bike on a lift won't reproduce any real work riding conditions as you can't create any loads....the engine will just be freewheeling. Does your mechanic only provide a 24 hour guarantee on his work? |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/12/17 at 05:44:07 Oh boy, not another one? Where's the dislike button.... |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Eegore on 05/12/17 at 05:53:35 I guess the difference between Cheapnewb and myself is he cared if the thing worked. As far as I know mechanics don't guarantee their work at all, but in fairness I've never asked and rarely use the same one. It was just an exaggeration about running 3k in a day, I was just meaning to say its faster to run a bike on a stand than to pay someone to ride it. Looking at it now though it looks like I'm going to get better results to put it on the road and just send whoever out with some diagnostic tools and a logbook. Theres a route going East that's 149 miles round-trip and is a mix of small town and 65mph 2-lane highway, so I might send someone that way. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/17 at 06:28:01 Is there a reason why you don't ride it? The Difference between you and CheapNewbie is He Cared? |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Eegore on 05/12/17 at 06:57:34 746B6D6A7770417141796B672C1E0 wrote:
I'm sure there are multiple similarities between Cheapnewbie and myself, however to me it seemed he really wanted that bike to run and go ride on, (I didnt read all his posts in detail though) where if I don't get this bike to run quiet I wont lose any sleep over it. I have the riding skills of a fruit bat, I'm not sure I'd make it 1000 miles without dropping the bike, and I'd like to minimize damage during the pulley/bearing/belt test. Also its cheaper for me to pay someone than to take time to ride myself. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by SALB on 05/12/17 at 10:13:13 I'm getting this strange compulsion to watch a Three Stooges marathon this weekend. :-? :-/ ::) |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/12/17 at 12:54:20 Well, you chose a light , easy to handle bike, but one that has enough Grunt to save you from getting run over if you screw up and pull out when someone is coming. Depending on speed and distance, of course. Is your schedule so unforgiving that you can't get away for a few hours? You should probably buy some quality riding gear and Definitely take the Riders Safety Course. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Kenny G on 05/12/17 at 13:59:32 We are stupid enough to feed this guys obsession to torment us with nonsense. We did the same thing with NewbyChump until he got the best of us.... Kenny G :-/ |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by batman on 05/12/17 at 15:22:34 He doesn't care ,Why should we? |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by Eegore on 05/12/17 at 20:16:57 6360756C606F3539010 wrote:
That's what I was thinking. |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by verslagen1 on 05/12/17 at 20:34:53 0121232B3621440 wrote:
That's what I was thinking.[/quote] yes, but film it. ::) |
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Title: Re: Running bike on a lift long-term Post by IslandRoad on 05/12/17 at 21:16:12 This thread is one of the most bizarre things I've ever read ... and I've even had a peek at the Tall Table!! |
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