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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> The Cafe >> Suzuki Tempter /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1493901803 Message started by Gary_in_NJ on 05/04/17 at 05:43:23 |
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Title: Suzuki Tempter Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/04/17 at 05:43:23 There is a Suzuki motorcycle that was produced from 1997 to 2003 that is a close cousin to the LS650/S40 called the Suzuki Tempter. Sadly, this motorcycle was not imported into North America. I've attached a photo to ponder, consider and otherwise drool over. Is there interest in this community in importing a few of these from lands far away? If so, how much do they sell for? Are some years more desirable then others? What are crating and shipping fees? How do we license them in our states? Or is this just a pipe dream? |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/04/17 at 10:14:38 Fly to a country where they were sold, buy it,take it apart ,ship the pieces to your self here in the states,torch off steering head off frame and the one off your Savage, weld savage steering head to the tempter, swap lic plates, call it done ! ;D |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/04/17 at 10:17:46 It's a very cool bike. It might just be worth it ! |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by philthymike on 05/04/17 at 10:34:46 check this out! http://sbows.exblog.jp/17479144/ I'm so stealing the muffler idea... http://en.vintage-motorcycle.com/index.php?language=en&site=4&pid=7&id=159&limit=0 |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by DieselBob on 05/04/17 at 19:25:43 A few more of that bike sans can. http://sbows.exblog.jp/16281551/ And looks like there's a nice selection available in Japan. But, I fear they'd be a bit difficult to import here into the colonies. http://motorcycle.goobike.com/motorcycle/bike/suzuki__tempter/summary.html I do like this site for a study of the various components. Those wheels and front brake are to die for........... http://4phuong8huong.com/xe-may/suzuki-st400-1997/ |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/04/17 at 21:21:33 Ok your sure they were sold in Japan ? I know a company in Japan that has a location in Los Angeles and they ship bikes to the USA. They specialize in rare,vintage,race & cars too. I went thru the bikes they have sold , no Tempters. But if you want a bike I'm sure they will find it. All you need is a stack of cash , crated and put aside till they can fill a shipping container delivered to LA$$$ Customs$$$ CA Reg $$$ + price of bike & finder fee $$$ It is possible ! How bad do you want it/How much are you willing to spend to get it ! I like my first idea better ! Who is going to pony up ? Then I will call and ask. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Dave on 05/05/17 at 04:33:57 This forum has almost no members or participation from Asian countries - which is likely where the Tempter was sold. It seems the same is true for the internet...searches just don't seem to bring up links to content from Asian countries. Likely the only way to get one affordably is to have a friend or relative that knows motorcycles - and is stationed or working in a place where they can find the Temper....and are willing to take the time to find a nice one and buy it for you. Then comes the problem of figuring out how to get it shipped! |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/05/17 at 06:14:01 Ruttly is on to something...we just need parts. If the ST400 frame can accept a LS650 engine (which it may if the LS650 engine is actually a punched-out LS400 engine), then a donor Savage along with key Tempter parts could result in a very unique bike. ST Parts needed: Frame Swingarm Tank Seat Rear Fender Assembly Side Covers Instrument Cluster Hand Controls (if using 7/8" in Bars) Airbox Battery Holder (if separate from frame) Parts from a Savage: Engine Forks T-clamps Wheel Hubs Wiring Harness Hand Controls (if using 1" bars) Exhaust Header A lot of finishing items (chain, sprockets, bars, BBK...) are readily available in the aftermarket. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/05/17 at 06:53:26 You want a rolling chassis |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/05/17 at 07:47:36 614647475F4A330 wrote:
No, not really. An LS650 could provide most of what I need after the defining features of the ST are sourced (frame, swingarm, tank, side panels, fender assembly). If I can't get the defining items I might do a resto-mod version of an ST400 in which case I'm only interested in the frame, swingarm, tank and a few other odds and ends. I'm half thinking about a GSXR600 t-clamp and forks too, but finding a wheel hub that would accept spokes would be a challenge - not impossible, but a challenge. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by DieselBob on 05/05/17 at 10:01:11 For the record, the LS400 and early model LS650 frames have the same part number 41100-24B01-019. Below is the link for the ST400 parts diagram. Scroll to the bottom to select that page you want displayed and it opens further down at the bottom. The frame appears to be quite similar to the LS models back to about the point where the tank ends, suggesting that the ST tank might fit the LS. https://www.impex-jp.com/catalogs/moto/suzuki/9900b-70060-001.html |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/05/17 at 10:09:03 Tempter is also chain driven , no rubber band ! |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/05/17 at 10:18:02 Excellent find! The Tempter frame number is 41100-07F00-019 and the swingarm is 61000-07F00-019. According to ronayers.com, the Savage (LS650P) part numbers are 41100-24B01-019 and 61100-24B03-019 respectively. They look similar, but don't look alike in the drawing either. They are actually significantly different. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by SALB on 05/05/17 at 10:35:46 The UK ebay has lots of parts and bikes. http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/sis.html?_itemId=171718313921&_nkw=SUZUKI+1998+SUZUKI+ST+400+TEMPTER+GREY&_trksid=p2047675.m4096.l9146 |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by DieselBob on 05/05/17 at 10:48:08 One of my faves was for sale in Russia, albeit a cafe. Although I suspect it sold some time ago. However, as I recall from the Russian ST400 site he was showing 39 HP on the dyno using the Keihin FCR37 carb. And for the record, nothing was molested in converting it to a cafe. He had all the original parts to bolt back on. https://auto.ru/mototsikly/used/sale/2092347-3546/ |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by gizzo on 05/05/17 at 16:03:46 003B3621303C27213A323F20530 wrote:
That's why companies like this exist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkcCB8DFMsI |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/05/17 at 20:19:44 Yeah that company might be a tad more affordable than the company I know of. The only phone number is in Japan or contact by email , and no walk ins by appointment ONLY ! I was going to buy a vintage Honda trials bike from them a few years back but the cost of shipping killed the deal. But that's just me champagne tastes on a beer budget. But you guys need to check it out , some serious high dollar stuff here. Just goggle RMD Motors Awsome stuff my favorite is the 1955 Honda Dream |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by DieselBob on 05/07/17 at 10:08:13 Gary, all the parts you desire including frames and tanks etc. are readily available in Japan. Getting them imported and titled in the US is quite another matter. Note the ST400 is also known in Japan as the NK43A http://tinyurl.com/kzdykqt It appears the routine in Japan is to add the 650 components to the 400 engine. Curiously though, they keep the 400 head sans compression release with little mention made of problems starting. Even so, your LS engine should bolt right in. http://tinyurl.com/le4pqod http://tinyurl.com/lxoj2hc http://tinyurl.com/knmzm6g I do like this attempt at the Goldstar. http://yokohamakougabu.blog.fc2.com/category12-3.html (keep scrolling) As well as this rendition. http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/200802/26/32/b0076232_7483030.jpg http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/200802/26/32/b0076232_7493889.jpg And finally, I would argue that the ST400 Tempter makes a better bobber than does the LS frame. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JKPldzx3TTU/UGHQ7k-NxXI/AAAAAAAABoY/eZOhAuZqcn4/s1600/005.JPG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7CvS7VlHJc |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by gizzo on 05/07/17 at 23:27:50 The last one (the bobber) has had it's frame modified so it almost IS a LS frame! Looks nice though. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by DieselBob on 05/08/17 at 04:58:04 Quote:
Very true, And I suppose purists would say it's technically not a bobber. Something more approaching a brat style maybe? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mD_vi0Gu4z0/UA0PGt0i3VI/AAAAAAAABD0/plPXkKklcpQ/s1600/003.JPG |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/08/17 at 05:20:46 Those are good looking bikes Bob. I agree, that Goldstar-ish bike is beautiful. My middle child is just finishing up his 3rd year of college. He has been taking Japanese this entire time and claims to be fluent in the language. I'm gonna get some value out of my education dollars and have him do a little research and see if he can locate a few frames and other necessary parts. As far as registering the bike in my state, it will get registered as the donor Savage - I'll transfer the data plate to the ST400 frame. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/08/17 at 10:12:34 But that's where they also stamp the vin number in the frame. In CA it's a felony, know a guy who got caught restamping vins 6 months pokey time & 5 years probation & huge fine ! |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by TheNaughtyLemur on 05/08/17 at 10:25:36 57707171697C050 wrote:
I think the moral of that story is don't live in California ;D |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by SALB on 05/08/17 at 11:45:49 I realize some states are stricter than others, but I'd think that if you had a complete frame, you could apply for a lost title and register it as a Tempter. There were no emission or safety standards for bikes of this era, so that would not be an issue. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Dave on 05/08/17 at 12:09:55 Isn't Vermont the state you get a title from.....when no other state will issue one? :-? |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/08/17 at 12:34:39 Vin numbers are usually specific to the country its being imported to. Not so sure about Potato Land but in CA they would recognize that the bike was never intended to be imported to the USA and would require a bunch of forms & inspection & of course more $$$ Thats why I would remove steering head and weld on one from a Savage and use that vin# & lic plate |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/08/17 at 12:47:54 Lemur , You have to be smarter than the state. More than one way to skin a cat ! |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by DieselBob on 05/08/17 at 17:37:47 Ruttley's right about imported bikes. There are a bunch of Enfields and Urals in the states that'll never be titled and licensed for the very reason noted. But, that Japanese version of Ebay is tempting when the Buy-it-Now price for a TS400 frame is $24.73. Especially when welding on your LS neck is a slam dunk. https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/c587777275 |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/08/17 at 18:27:21 Take some time designing the jig but after that it would be like a assembly line. And if you take your time cutting the welds and rewelding it after media blasting & powder coating you wouldn't be able to tell the difference! |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/08/17 at 18:36:36 Bob , Shipping on that frame might be upwards to a grand or maybe more! Work on diesels ? |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by DieselBob on 05/08/17 at 19:30:26 One of my sons just moved to Japan last week for a year with his company. The company shipped his bicycle over for him and indeed it was on the order of $1000 for shipping. So, the prospect of shipping those Suzuki parts to the states puts it outside the range of "reasonable". Don't work on diesels other than my diesel bike builds. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/08/17 at 19:42:22 Diesel bikes ! Do tell us about them ! |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by DieselBob on 05/09/17 at 16:32:49 The first one with a 418cc Yanmar single driving a CVT while the second version is an Aisin supercharged Kubota vertical twin with a belt primary driving a Royal Enfield 5 speed. I lost my shop in town a year ago and only now getting another set up. So, the Kubota's unfinished as you can see below. You'll note in each instance it's a Suzuki GZ250 tank. And then I have a 900cc Kubota triple and another Enfield 5 speed awaiting the next build. Will use either the 300cc Aisin or 500cc Aisin for that build. Here's the Yanmar during the build. http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af179/Woodroid/Yanclone4-8-100102.jpg And here's the unfinished Kubota. Blower is on the opposite side driven off the clutch. I built an on-demand propane fumigation system for this application. But, not sure I'll use it now given the Kubota's an indirect injections lump. And the Savage is on the bench to my back when taking this pic. http://i1005.photobucket.com/albums/af179/Woodroid/Hondabota%20for%20Suzukisavage.jpg~original And now we're completely off topic for this thread. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/09/17 at 19:22:11 Bob that's some bada$$ work you've done ! Always wanted a diesel bike just to cruise around on , but I don't have anywhere near the skills you do. I'm just a diesel wrench that builds gas bikes. Very cool build ! Bob you are now on my list of what I call " Next Level Builders " Kinda sucks I'm not on that list ! But one of my specialties is hijacking topics! Dave will be reading me the riot act here any minute ! ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/09/17 at 19:55:39 47606161796C150 wrote:
As the thread owner, and one of our resident custom builders, I approve of the temporary side track. I agree, impressive fabrication. Would love to swing a leg over the Kubota bike for a few hours. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by mpescatori on 05/10/17 at 01:02:13 This is a Royal Enfield Bullet with an italian Lombardini 440cc single http://www.dieselbike.net/royalenfield/440lombardini.jpg ::) Then there's the Bullet with an italian Ruggerini 850cc twin ! http://www.dieselbike.net/royalenfield/Centaurus1.jpg The CENTAURUS ! :D http://www.dieselbike.net/royalenfield/royalenfield.htm So, I say, keep working on them... They make pretty fine motorcycles ! |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Dave on 05/10/17 at 03:02:19 313B3F353E37333A646266560 wrote:
As the thread owner, and one of our resident custom builders, I approve of the temporary side track. I agree, impressive fabrication. Would love to swing a leg over the Kubota bike for a few hours. [/quote] I am OK with it. The Tempter thread most likely can't evolve much...until we get a member in Asia that frequently sails his yacht to the US and is wiling to pack a few bikes over for us. The diesel bikes are cool....I might have a problem owning/riding one for long if the performance is sluggish. I don't need a superbike - but I don't want a bike that accelerates like a big truck. Before they started making cars that got decent mileage, I was thinking about using an early Miata and installing a Kubota diesel. (Really off topic). |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by DieselBob on 05/10/17 at 03:47:53 Indeed Dave, they're not crotch rockets. But then, we take any manner of heat for riding the Savage. And regarding the Enfield, we've got 2 in the stable and when an engines goes (and it will), I'll likely swap in one of the Yanmar singles in stock. Again, not a bike for the big road. All that said, I'd still like an ST400 Tempter. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Ruttly on 05/10/17 at 10:16:49 Dave , I'm highly disappointed I enjoy it when I'm in trouble or moderated. But it sounded so interesting I had to ask even at your expense. I saw a diesel bike may be here on SS that was made with a single cylinder diesel with a snowmobile drive unit(one gear automatic) with jackshaft and chain final drive. Did 65 mph and 100 mile per gallon , when I find the right engine I'm gonna build a diesel rat bike just for fun ! |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Gary_in_NJ on 06/06/17 at 11:02:38 A forum member sent me a few ST400 cafe racer photos to post. These are drool-worthy. |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Gary_in_NJ on 06/06/17 at 11:03:00 Second |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Gary_in_NJ on 06/06/17 at 11:03:16 Third |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Gary_in_NJ on 06/06/17 at 11:03:32 Final |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Kenny G on 06/06/17 at 12:04:21 Gary, I would sure like to have a Tempter. Kenny G :-/ |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by batman on 06/06/17 at 16:15:47 I think it might be likely that you could use a stock s-40 piston in an st400 cylinder,and end up with a short throw 450 cc, redline should be the same as the st400 -7000rpm and give about 30hp . |
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Title: Re: Suzuki Tempter Post by Dave on 06/07/17 at 02:15:48 4A495C4549461C10280 wrote:
The LS400 and Temptor have a different bore than the 650 (87mm vs 94mm)....I am not sure what the stroke is on the LS400. Suzuki does use a different crank, rod and piston so you cannot just change the piston and cylinder as the pin is a different diameter. We had one member (paulmarshall from NZ) that was active 3-4 years ago that did the conversion, and he supplied this forum with all the details. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1366243636/0 |
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