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Title: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/02/17 at 23:17:07 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-01/thinking-hard-horror-deep-states-plan-exposed Obama saw what a mistake Iraq was, but destroyed Libya, and did He get Congress to declare war? Trump i s doing it too. The direction will not be changed. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by T And T Garage on 05/03/17 at 08:20:11 3D2224233E3908380830222E65570 wrote:
Yep - Obama caved and we continue on that path down the rabbit hole. (we all knew after the first two years he was a corporatist) We won't be able to stop that trip until we (first) get money out of politics. The war machine will continue on and the likes of haliburton will get fatter and fatter. It is now legal, thanks to citizens united, to bribe politicians. Yay! I keep bringing up the 500 billion dollar deal that (mark my words) will indeed go through in russia thanks to our current SOS tilly. It's all about control/power/money. The oligarchy that is taking over this country is bent on keeping the middle class bent to servitude and the poor... well, the poor have no chance if this keeps up. tweety was supposed to drain the swamp - HA!! |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/17 at 08:53:54 I congratulate you on seeing that America is being taken over by people who have Their agenda, and it's Not about making life good for the People. It's disturbing to see you still believe that one party is good, the other bad, when each has had opportunity to Not screw America, and yet, America gets the perpetual pounding of pumped up thingy, relentlessly ravaging our lives, and you don't see it's Both Sides,, that's sad. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by T And T Garage on 05/03/17 at 09:40:18 091610170A0D3C0C3C04161A51630 wrote:
I don't support the establishment dems or pubs. I support a more progressive platform in the Justice Democrats - but even that is not perfect. More than anything, I support getting money out of politics. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by Serowbot on 05/03/17 at 10:03:18 617F70717C617A67150 wrote:
++1... Does anyone think Citizens United has anything to do with "Citizens"?... :-/ |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/17 at 10:04:29 An honest evaluation of the events that we have lived through would tend to support the notion that the insiders, presidents, Generals, and other Known to be Not Crazy people who have Stated that there is a power, an unelected, unseen by the masses, group of people making policy, Not our electeds. America would be fine now returned to the Constitution. Just how much more sensitivity training do we really need? Why must we choose societal suicide to prove our good will? I'd sure like to see how importing the unwilling to assimilate can benefit America. Why must Should trump good sense? |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by T And T Garage on 05/03/17 at 10:04:57 3721362B33262B30440 wrote:
++1... Does anyone think Citizens United has anything to do with "Citizens"?... :-/[/quote] Only those citizens in the top 1% |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/17 at 10:15:05 I'm all for getting money out. Just as I'm all for eliminating the Fed, letting States decide right and wrong, and putting the People back in control of their charitable contributions. Sadly, the policies have created such a great need and the average working class people are no longer seeing the disposable income that would Allow them to help others without doing without themselves, so without the goobs stealing and Re-Accommodating money, people would be homeless and hungry. Until we eliminate the Fed and repudiate most of the debt, we will continue downhill, regardless of which candidate we elect. That Trump won is a clue that I'm not at all alone in seeing both sides as Not on My Side. The bigger picture awaits only one thing. The ability to see it. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by T And T Garage on 05/03/17 at 10:28:15 312E282F32350434043C2E22695B0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/17 at 10:34:14 So, with one brain lobe it's obvious that the Real Deciders are unelected, unaccountable, self serving , and without any care about the conditions of the People, powerful people are directing the events, but the Other lobe sees our electeds as Flailing and Failing policy makers. Seems like the friction would cause a headache. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by T And T Garage on 05/03/17 at 10:43:03 342B2D2A3730013101392B276C5E0 wrote:
Many of the elected are lapdogs. Any that participate and take money from a PAC - pretty much a lapdog. (go look at where the big money's been spent these last 6 years - it's at the state and local levels....) No headaches here - It's easy to see that yes - those same lapdogs are inept, hypocritical, bigoted, petty morons. They do anything to get elected and then do the bidding of their largest donors. My dog would do just as good a job. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by MnSpring on 05/03/17 at 19:01:48 66797F7865625363536B79753E0C0 wrote:
“…there is a power, an unelected, unseen by the masses, group of people making policy, Not our electeds…” Well In Minn, the, independent, Reform Party, (pro wrestler, who could NOT, fight his way out of a wet paper bag), came to power as the Governor. He did NOT DO 7/8ths of the things he, said he would. The big thing, he campaigned on was the, change of the, ‘Carry Law’, which once in office, NEVER SAID ONE WORD ABOUT IT ! According to him, he was told, after he won, “This is What You Must Do”. (Big grain of Salt their) So, was it his, total, ineptitude, and just gathering MONEY, his Goal ????? Or was it really, ‘Do what you are told to do” ? Do Know, after 4 years, his predecessor, In 30 days, PASSED the ‘right to Carry”. Taxes went DOWN. and 7/8ths, of the things, HE, campaigned on, Got DONE !!!!! So did Ventura, CAVE. And did Pawlenty stand Up ? Don’t know. But do know the results. Is it the same for the Current POTUS ? Don’t Know Yet. Do (believe), that H.R.C., would be at War, with EVERYBODY, and GIVE, Everybody in the US Handouts, when they, ‘Just’, Asked for them. (Can you guess who would Pay ?) Do, KNOW, that when building a house, you do NOT, build the Roof first ! So, let’s see. What is done. 3 more years, THEN, look, (*perhaps), for someone new. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by WebsterMark on 05/04/17 at 04:43:30 Citizens United helped level the playing field by offering a mechanism to counter the monopoly known as the main stream media. Remember, much of this started with the Swift Boat ads because the MSM had selected Kerry as their guy and were protecting him by deciding, as a group, what information got released and what did not. Take a look at the hatchet job Dan Rather tried to pull on GWB. Like the creation of Rush Limbaugh, Fox News etc, liberals have themselves to blame. If we had a fair media that didn't choose sides; CU wouldn't have been necessary. Oh, one of the largest benefactors of CU? A group that was declared a corporation, Labor Unions. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by T And T Garage on 05/04/17 at 08:51:34 4F7D7A6B6C7D6A55796A73180 wrote:
BWAAAHAAAHAAHAAHAAAA!!!! I'm sorry, but that's HILARIOUS!!! CU is one thing and one thing only. Legal bribery of our elected officials. "Corporations are people my friend" - seriously?? You honestly think that a senator from (any state) would listen to John Doe, who makes $50K a year and donates $20 to his campaign over a koch funded super pac that donated $500K to his campaign??? REALLY??? CU says that money if free speech. How ridiculous is that?? But yeah - everything bad is the liberals fault... got it! LOL |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/04/17 at 09:42:38 ut yeah - everything bad is the liberals fault... got it! L If everyone would stop pretending their side is good, accept and acknowledge the bad people and policies, honestly be critical of their own party, America might survive. Both sides sukk. The ever changing, new normal Sukks. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by WebsterMark on 05/04/17 at 18:32:01 Trump won the election based upon the support of those 50k a year people against an opponent who not only had the support and protection of the MSM but millions spent on her behalf because of CU. It didn't matter, she lost. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by T And T Garage on 05/05/17 at 08:09:20 5C6E69787F6E79466A79600B0 wrote:
You sure about that? Look at tweety's donors: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/donald-trump-donors-rewards-232974 Don't get me wrong - hillary is no better at all when it comes to campaign finance. But to say that tweety got the support of those voters is not only a disservice - it's wrong. Remember, tweety won the electoral college vote - not the popular one. That means that hillary actually had more supporters vote for her. Sorry, that's a fact. Like I said - yes, she took (and spent) more money than tweety - but don't delude yourself into thinking that "everyone" supported him. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/17 at 08:34:41 You're absolutely correct. The societal suicide squad didn't support trump. Sadly, the Hillary supporters are getting what they wanted. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by T And T Garage on 05/05/17 at 08:44:53 233C3A3D20271626162E3C307B490 wrote:
Once again, I have to disagree. IMHO, I think the Bernie supporters are getting exactly what (we) want. A blazing hot spotlight on the failure of the republican establishment party of today AND the failure of the democratic establishment party of today. The hillary supporters are still awash in their despair of losing to the likes of tweety - and all the while thinking it's somehow his doing. The tweety supporters are standing in front of the house on fire saying "nothing to see here - all is well". Both are in for a rude awakening. It is a failed system when you can legally bribe your (so called) representatives. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/17 at 09:40:19 he tweety supporters are standing in front of the house on fire saying "nothing to see here - all is well". Both are in Not me. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by raydawg on 05/05/17 at 16:17:52 Tho popular vote is old argument, and frankly moot, as it is supported by no means to change the outcome. This election, as all, are decided by law and established practices.... Let's say golly, she won in reality because she won one matrix of the equation. Well Trump won more states. He brought in more republican governors and elected officials up and down the ticket, in other words, he won more power, Hillary's party lost power, so more folks must have wanted Trump/republicans, by counting all the matrixs, not just one. Give it a rest, keep playing a loosing hand won't all of sudden win, because somehow it has relevance.... Please, rise above the ilowest common denominator, you are much wiser than that. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by oldNslow on 05/05/17 at 19:00:15 Quote:
What failure ? Those folks are all still running the show and getting rich(er) and kicking the people who put them there and who they rob blind to pay for their bullsh*t, right in the teeth.It doesn't matter a dam* to them which gang has the upper hand for the time being. They have the country exactly where they want it. Divided right down the middle with neither side having enough clout to change anything important. From their perspective what's going on is a howling success. Is Hillary any worse off 'cause she's NOT the president? Would Trump be? It's not like the loser gets stripped naked and tossed in the Potomac River with a cinder block tied around his(or her) neck. Just pout for a little while and then go make speeches for a half a mil a crack for the rest of your life. Or get a multimillion dollar advance to write a book that nobody's gonna buy or read. Claire Wolfe wrote: “America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.” Wrote that that a number of years ago. Things haven't gotten better since. Maybe the next election will fix things up. Just gotta 'lect the right candidate. Yeah, right. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by raydawg on 05/05/17 at 19:49:33 You need to change your name from old and slow to cynical old bass turd ;D I'm almost as old as dirt too, but haven't succumbed to forgetting hope sprngs eternal.... I jest with you my friend but isn't defeatism self appointed? Have you not tied your own noose, yet complain they provided the rope? Until I take my last breath here on earth, I won't stop believing we are only as strong as whate we believe. I will not surrender to that which I know sustains me, nor be threatened by those who challenge it. For the truth will always be, till the end of time, and man can never change it, for it is like trying to hold air in your grasp.... |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/17 at 20:31:26 “America is at that awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.” Drying the tears,, |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by oldNslow on 05/06/17 at 06:03:08 Quote:
:) Yeah, I get that a lot. Thing is, I don't think there is anything cynical or defeatist in simply describing the situation as it exists. I don't believe that my assessment is wrong. Surprisingly, pessimists of my ilk are generally very happy people. I am. I expect very little from our government weasels, and I am rarely disappointed. Ignore them, as much as you possibly can. And try, as much as possible, to be prepared for the worst case scenario. The system is irretrievably broken. Arrange your own affairs with that premise in mind and you are much less likely to be blindsided by what happens in DC. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/06/17 at 06:30:58 The system is irretrievably broken. I don't understand why people who Don't see, Don't know, Don't understand, pretend that the people who do see are just angry, bitter, negative people. I don't see how scolding someone for seeing and evaluating the condition of America is reasonable. If you've been bit by a rattlesnake do you A: Scoff at it, and hit the bar B: Admit you need Emergency Medical attention? If you don't see how precarious the situation is, WTH is wrong with You? |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by raydawg on 05/06/17 at 06:45:03 Your receipe is spot on oldslow..... Addiction is the root cause to our ills. Addiction to power, fame, validation, laziness, gratification, wanting without out earning, easier, etc. I will simply say we redefined the moral compass under faux compassion and tolerance, which morphed into those addictions. |
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Title: Re: Admit Obama did what he said he would not. Post by T And T Garage on 05/08/17 at 11:40:24 This thread has gotten way off track - as all of them seem to. So I'll pile on... To all those that think nothing is going to change - that's YOUR problem/perspective, not the country's. No one on this post can say that the world we live in today is anything remotely like we had just a decade ago. When you look at the sheer volume of information at everyone's fingertips 24/7 - the world of today is far more in touch. At the very least - it's CAPABLE to be more in touch. No - one election is not going to change everything - no one said it would. But, with a majority of the country being more informed on any/every issue they want, we are slowly becoming more enlightened as a nation. When you have guys like charles krauthammer saying we'll have single payer within 7 years - we're on the right track. This is indeed new ground. Things are beginning to change. They will change. |
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