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Title: I take full blame..... Post by raydawg on 05/02/17 at 14:14:44 However, it wasn't my fault......WTF :o A GREAT example of why she lost, clueless. The lady has so much baggage enough lies do not exsist to cover all of them. Hillary, get real, you have had ample time to explain to folks who you are. If you were who you think you are, God would have lost to you ;) Great entertainment, enjoy http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/02/clinton-blames-comey-wikileaks-for-election-loss-to-trump.html |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by oldNslow on 05/02/17 at 18:07:04 "I was on the way to winning until a combination of Jim Comey’s letter on October 28 and Russian WikiLeaks raised doubts in the minds of people who were inclined to vote for me but were scared off,” Let the cat out of the bag about what a deceitful,unethical POS you are. Just in the nick of time too.How dare they!! :D ;D :D |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/02/17 at 18:15:01 I still say it was because she ran terrible campaign. She got exactly what she deserved. (and so did America... I hope we both learned our lesson.) |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by oldNslow on 05/02/17 at 18:33:32 "She got exactly what she deserved." If she got what she deserved she'd be styln' an orange jumpsuit. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/02/17 at 18:38:46 7D43424E5C40412F0 wrote:
If they haven't gotten her by now - they're never going to. The fact is, there's nothing to get her on. 9 hearings on Benghazi alone? Under the microscope by the FBI and the pubs for decades - nothing. Why do you think tweety didn't pursue the whole "lock her up" thing? She did get what she deserved. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by MnSpring on 05/02/17 at 19:21:54 No one wants to commit ’ Suicide ’, While their hands are tied behind their back, when they shoot themselves in the head. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by oldNslow on 05/02/17 at 19:29:16 554B444548554E53210 wrote:
If they haven't gotten her by now - they're never going to. The fact is, there's nothing to get her on. 9 hearings on Benghazi alone? Under the microscope by the FBI and the pubs for decades - nothing. Why do you think tweety didn't pursue the whole "lock her up" thing? She did get what she deserved. [/quote] Nonsense.You know perfectly well that lack of a conviction, or even an indictment, of someone in her position has nothing to do with actual guilt or lack thereof. And "hearings", and now apparently, FBI investigations, are merely political theater. Entertainment for the common folk like us. Hillary has, figuratively, and quite possibly literally, been getting away with murder for years, and she will continue to do so. The only people with the power to take her down have just as many skeletons in their closets as she does.What do you think the chance is that a Harpy like her would go down without taking her attackers down with her? What do you think is the chance that they don't know that? There is no honor among thieves, but there is immunity. If the plaintiff and the defendant are both guilty of the same, or similar, crimes there is no point in having a trial. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by raydawg on 05/02/17 at 20:23:00 7F616E6F627F64790B0 wrote:
If they haven't gotten her by now - they're never going to. The fact is, there's nothing to get her on. 9 hearings on Benghazi alone? Under the microscope by the FBI and the pubs for decades - nothing. Why do you think tweety didn't pursue the whole "lock her up" thing? She did get what she deserved. [/quote] I still believe Benghazi was all about covering up Obama's mistake.... He was the one who didn't want to push back, everyone else had to cover for him...... If you remember he was struggling to win reelection and could not afford such inneptness to be revealed. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/03/17 at 07:44:59 4D73727E6C70711F0 wrote:
If they haven't gotten her by now - they're never going to. The fact is, there's nothing to get her on. 9 hearings on Benghazi alone? Under the microscope by the FBI and the pubs for decades - nothing. Why do you think tweety didn't pursue the whole "lock her up" thing? She did get what she deserved. [/quote] Nonsense.You know perfectly well that lack of a conviction, or even an indictment, of someone in her position has nothing to do with actual guilt or lack thereof. And "hearings", and now apparently, FBI investigations, are merely political theater. Entertainment for the common folk like us. Hillary has, figuratively, and quite possibly literally, been getting away with murder for years, and she will continue to do so. The only people with the power to take her down have just as many skeletons in their closets as she does.What do you think the chance is that a Harpy like her would go down without taking her attackers down with her? What do you think is the chance that they don't know that? There is no honor among thieves, but there is immunity. If the plaintiff and the defendant are both guilty of the same, or similar, crimes there is no point in having a trial. [/quote] What you're hanging your hat on is supposition. Nothing more. I see so many on here talking about how terrible "fake news" is. Well, this is pretty much fake news on hillary. It's a conspiracy theory that has never been proved - nothing more. If hillary was guilty of anything more than being a slimy politician (which she is), then she would be locked up. You think it's just a coincidence that the whole email investigation and endless Benghazi hearings have suddenly stopped? What about tweety trying to "lock her up"? |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/03/17 at 07:48:10 687B637E7B6D7D1A0 wrote:
If they haven't gotten her by now - they're never going to. The fact is, there's nothing to get her on. 9 hearings on Benghazi alone? Under the microscope by the FBI and the pubs for decades - nothing. Why do you think tweety didn't pursue the whole "lock her up" thing? She did get what she deserved. [/quote] I still believe Benghazi was all about covering up Obama's mistake.... He was the one who didn't want to push back, everyone else had to cover for him...... If you remember he was struggling to win reelection and could not afford such inneptness to be revealed. [/quote] Did you follow the hearings? The ineptness was systemic everywhere regarding Benghazi. From the state department, to the military, to the embassy itself. Bad decisions were made to be sure - but it wasn't on one person. Every single hearing determined the same thing. There was no smoking gun. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/17 at 07:52:10 Actually, NO, Not Supposition. Comey laid out a list of offences and stated that Should another find themselves in the same situation, they would have No Expectation of not being PROSECUTED. Only the intellectually dishonest fail to see that she IS guilty. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/03/17 at 08:05:20 2F3036312C2B1A2A1A22303C77450 wrote:
(ABC news) While Comey said there is no basis to indict Clinton for being "extremely careless" with classified information, he made clear that if she had been working for him, he might have fired her. "It's not fair to prosecute [such a] person on these facts," but "just because someone's not prosecuted for mishandling classified information, that doesn't mean, if you work in the FBI, there aren't consequences for it," he said. "They might get fired, they might lose their clearance, they might be suspended for 30 days," or they might face some other "sort of discipline," he said. "So the notion that it's either prosecute or you walk around ... smiling all day long is just not true for those people who work for the government," he insisted. If those employees left government, though, there would be no way to discipline them, and they would "be in the same boat" as Clinton, who as a former secretary of state is not facing discipline for her actions, he said. The Clinton campaign official said "present circumstances" — including her belief that the information was not classified, the absence of proper markings and the fact that many State Department officials initiated these conversations with her — should influence "how the case is viewed in terms of any administrative repercussions." ----- Unless this is "fake news" it's pretty succinct in what can or will be done. She was not "above the law" - nor was she "completely innocent". Just a stupid, slimy politician that made a bad decision. The end result of her decision caused no collateral damage, no deaths, no state secrets leaking out, nothing. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by raydawg on 05/03/17 at 08:19:48 Investigations, trials, please..... Step out of your bubble. It depends on what is, is.... Take the 5th when you claim nothing wrong, etc. And yes, Obama was worried more about reelection than finding out WITF happened, and his party cohorts circled the wagon,as did the left wing media, because the cause it greater than a few dead folk. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/03/17 at 08:27:21 5D4E564B4E58482F0 wrote:
I'm not in any bubble. I watched the hearings. I watched the debate shortly after the attack. Pretty much everyone did that was interested in politics... Think about this - if the "left wing media" protected him.... why the HUGE news stories? Did they cover anything up? We had unfettered access to the hearings, the investigations, the witnesses, etc. How the heck did the "left wing media" help him/them at all? It was the biggest news story for that year and covered by everyone 24/7. You may want to rethink the whole "left wing media" thing. It's become a non-entity in today's world. There is no protection - hillary's (deserved) loss is a perfect example. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by raydawg on 05/03/17 at 10:19:15 It's been proven re: media, ask Dan Rather ;D Like polls, you can get the results you want by phrasing the question in a certain way, and audience. Crap, we still haven't been allowed to know what happened to the Kennedy's |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/03/17 at 10:35:40 382B332E2B3D2D4A0 wrote:
SMH - then how/why/will you ever trust anyone or anything? If it's all fake or covered up, who do you believe? Think about it - we are here talking about it - how the heck is anything "covered up"? (btw, we're not the only ones - a few million others on the internet and media outlets have talked about it ad nauseum.) People have to come to the realization that in this day and age (not the 60's ), it's nearly impossible to cover anything up. Again, look at the information available on clinton, Obama, tweety or anyone else. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by raydawg on 05/03/17 at 13:05:53 5F414E4F425F44592B0 wrote:
SMH - then how/why/will you ever trust anyone or anything? If it's all fake or covered up, who do you believe? Think about it - we are here talking about it - how the heck is anything "covered up"? (btw, we're not the only ones - a few million others on the internet and media outlets have talked about it ad nauseum.) People have to come to the realization that in this day and age (not the 60's ), it's nearly impossible to cover anything up. Again, look at the information available on clinton, Obama, tweety or anyone else. [/quote] How, you get your own server ;D Yes, it's getting better, and removing a profit making company that filter news is a start, and it will be dialogue, no matter how ugly or wrong, unfettered and censored, that will lead to the awakening of folks and the power they do have... |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/03/17 at 13:24:00 30233B26233525420 wrote:
SMH - then how/why/will you ever trust anyone or anything? If it's all fake or covered up, who do you believe? Think about it - we are here talking about it - how the heck is anything "covered up"? (btw, we're not the only ones - a few million others on the internet and media outlets have talked about it ad nauseum.) People have to come to the realization that in this day and age (not the 60's ), it's nearly impossible to cover anything up. Again, look at the information available on clinton, Obama, tweety or anyone else. [/quote] How, you get your own server ;D Yes, it's getting better, and removing a profit making company that filter news is a start, and it will be dialogue, no matter how ugly or wrong, unfettered and censored, that will lead to the awakening of folks and the power they do have... [/quote] Somewhat true - but in the end, that didn't "save" her. Like I said, 24/7 coverage and her server backups gone over with a fine tooth comb. She was far from protected by the media. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by raydawg on 05/03/17 at 13:39:24 No, it didn't...... Funny how politicians seem to get caught in the trap they set for others..... 24/7 news is an addiction, and leads to baiting, sensationalism, anonymous sources.... to catch the traffic. As lame as it is, unprecedented and unprofessional..... The tweeter in chief has assumed his own speak, without a press agent, spin doctors, and media filters...... I don't like it, but I do like what it removes, and if I am reading you right, you too find it better suited to finding what most of us desire, and that is accountability. I might not like the message, but at least I hope to hear it from the horses mouth ;D |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/17 at 13:55:01 SMH - then how/why/will you ever trust anyone or anything? If it's all fake or covered up, who do you believe? I use Observed Reality to help decide what person to believe. That's why I say schools and the health care system were sabotaged. Assad had every reason to NOT use gas, and no reasons TO use it. Yet, the media SAID he did. And look at how many believed it. Like the lies to manufacture consent in Nam, Iraq, Libya, eventually seen as lies,b u t some people HAVE to be Told it's lies. How many times must You get lied to before you stop being so gullible? |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/03/17 at 14:44:07 213E383F22251424142C3E32794B0 wrote:
So you were in Khan Sheikhoun? Who's lying to who? |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/17 at 15:59:37 I said I was Where? WTH are you talking about? You're unaware of the lies I referred to? |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by Serowbot on 05/03/17 at 16:11:54 "French intelligence has identified the chemical “signature” of the Syrian government at the site of a nerve agent attack this month, indicating that the sarin used in the bombing came from Bashar al-Assad’s stockpiles." |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/03/17 at 16:15:16 How many times have we been lied to? Why would he do that? |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/04/17 at 08:40:04 4F5056514C4B7A4A7A42505C17250 wrote:
"I use Observed Reality to help decide what person to believe. ....Assad had every reason to NOT use gas, and no reasons TO use it. Yet, the media SAID he did." How do you KNOW that he didn't? Were you there? |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/04/17 at 10:04:44 Unlike most people, I use common sense. He was winning, militarily. He had been warned that America Would take action. It's much more reasonable to believe he didn't. And, I'm guessing enough people like me have seen through the weak frame up. I'm not seeing the promised invasion. If you're interested, lots of people agree with me. I was in with my opinion immediately. It's stupid on Assads part. It's beyond stupid. It can't even be considered without a chuckle. Why would ANYONE believe he did it? |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by Serowbot on 05/04/17 at 10:09:45 If common sense ran the world, we wouldn't have Trump... |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/04/17 at 10:16:13 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
Well, I trust Mattis over conspiracy theories: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/04/doubt-syria-chemical-weapons-170411200414919.html |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by raydawg on 05/04/17 at 12:47:17 5A4C5B465E4B465D290 wrote:
I agree, we wouldn't have to be so extreme, to overcome the leftist extremism, if common sense was more common... |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/04/17 at 13:04:58 4A59415C594F5F380 wrote:
I agree, we wouldn't have to be so extreme, to overcome the leftist extremism, if common sense was more common...[/quote] Really? What about right-wing extremism? Does that not exist?? |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by raydawg on 05/04/17 at 16:53:06 5F414E4F425F44592B0 wrote:
I agree, we wouldn't have to be so extreme, to overcome the leftist extremism, if common sense was more common...[/quote] Really? What about right-wing extremism? Does that not exist??[/quote] Absolutely...... it exsist It just doesn't hold the same sway, or represent the party, as much as the Hollywood/NewYork/Berkeley extremist do. You saw Cruz didn't win over Trump, and he only got as far as he did because the others dropped out and gave him their support. I stated earlier I hope the reason why folk voted Trump, and not a true third party, gives me hope that the grip the established have on party politics is not as absolute as it use to be... Bernie also bears witness to that, but the DNC snuffed him along with the aristocrats of the democrat party. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/05/17 at 07:59:58 4B58405D584E5E390 wrote:
I agree, we wouldn't have to be so extreme, to overcome the leftist extremism, if common sense was more common...[/quote] Really? What about right-wing extremism? Does that not exist??[/quote] Absolutely...... it exsist It just doesn't hold the same sway, or represent the party, as much as the Hollywood/NewYork/Berkeley extremist do. You saw Cruz didn't win over Trump, and he only got as far as he did because the others dropped out and gave him their support. I stated earlier I hope the reason why folk voted Trump, and not a true third party, gives me hope that the grip the established have on party politics is not as absolute as it use to be... Bernie also bears witness to that, but the DNC snuffed him along with the aristocrats of the democrat party. [/quote] Hmmm... I disagree. How many times did you hear Bernie say at one of his rallies -"I'd like to punch him in the face"? That my friend is right wing extremism on a YUGE scale. You don't think tweety has "sway"? Think again. The extreme right wing has grown more acceptable with the likes of ann coulter, rush, hannity, bill-o, crazy alex, etc. That's not to say that extremism on the left doesn't exist, and I don't defend or condone those that hijack the BLM movement to use violence. But to not acknowledge the equally - and in some cases more violent - extreme right wing is doing a disservice to everyone. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by raydawg on 05/05/17 at 09:08:56 657B747578657E63110 wrote:
I agree, we wouldn't have to be so extreme, to overcome the leftist extremism, if common sense was more common...[/quote] Really? What about right-wing extremism? Does that not exist??[/quote] Absolutely...... it exsist It just doesn't hold the same sway, or represent the party, as much as the Hollywood/NewYork/Berkeley extremist do. You saw Cruz didn't win over Trump, and he only got as far as he did because the others dropped out and gave him their support. I stated earlier I hope the reason why folk voted Trump, and not a true third party, gives me hope that the grip the established have on party politics is not as absolute as it use to be... Bernie also bears witness to that, but the DNC snuffed him along with the aristocrats of the democrat party. [/quote] Hmmm... I disagree. How many times did you hear Bernie say at one of his rallies -"I'd like to punch him in the face"? That my friend is right wing extremism on a YUGE scale. You don't think tweety has "sway"? Think again. The extreme right wing has grown more acceptable with the likes of ann coulter, rush, hannity, bill-o, crazy alex, etc. That's not to say that extremism on the left doesn't exist, and I don't defend or condone those that hijack the BLM movement to use violence. But to not acknowledge the equally - and in some cases more violent - extreme right wing is doing a disservice to everyone. [/quote] The proof is in the pudding. Look at the protest, look at the media, award programs, universities.... That is punching opposition in their face. It solves nothing but sows discontent, anger, and dissension. Do you see the same amount on the right? Do you see the same campus bias? Is tony Perez words empty of hate, and constructive? You cite commentators, he instructs the party from a leadership role, that is the same to you? I have repeatedly said I am not a Trump fan, but look at the all the differing of opinions and ideas within the administration and party.... It's reported as negitive and a slam at unity of ideas. I see it as a good thing, I do not like rubber stamps. Look at the closed mindedness of the left. Take that candidate who was endorsed, but later scorned, for he differed on some of the rubber stamp, toe the line, abortion platform of the party.... That is sway, rather you agree or not, |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/05/17 at 10:19:44 36253D20253323440 wrote:
The proof is in the pudding. Look at the protest, look at the media, award programs, universities.... That is punching opposition in their face. So? What's your point? Are you saying that it's wrong to oppose something you don't believe in? It's a sad fact for the bubs that the country is left of center. It solves nothing but sows discontent, anger, and dissension. No, it changes the society. (see women's suffrage, the civil rights movement, etc.) Do you see the same amount on the right? Yes - look at the tweety rallies - how many has he had now?? Do you see the same campus bias? No - but ask yourself - why aren't there more conservative campuses?? Is tony Perez words empty of hate, and constructive? You cite commentators, he instructs the party from a leadership role, that is the same to you? You mean tom perez? He's the democratic establishment's firebrand. He's not inciting violence. He's promoting dissent against tweety. Something that should be done. Something that will be done. I see nothing wrong with that. Did you question the republican side when they blatantly said that their job was to make Obama a one term president? how is that any different? Did you see the rallies after Obama was elected - same question. I have repeatedly said I am not a Trump fan, but look at the all the differing of opinions and ideas within the administration and party.... It's reported as negitive and a slam at unity of ideas. I see it as a good thing, I do not like rubber stamps. I don't like rubber stampers either, but seriously, how can you see any good within the current administration? Just look at AHCA as but one example. Look at the closed mindedness of the left. Take that candidate who was endorsed, but later scorned, for he differed on some of the rubber stamp, toe the line, abortion platform of the party.... That is sway, rather you agree or not,[/quote] Just as you are not a tweety supporter, I am not a democratic establishment voter. However, the abortion - or rather the woman's right to choose - is (for better or worse) a foundational part of a liberal/progressive platform. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by raydawg on 05/05/17 at 10:35:48 I read your rebuttal and find you forfeited your claim of common sense being absentee, in the opposing, as you further state dissent and resistance is good policy when practiced by those holding your beliefs, but assign intolerance, anger, etc, when they employee the exact same tactics.... This mindset against my way, or the highway, instead of finding commality and building from there a consensus is what I find troubling, and cause, to ignorance that is oft displayed in counter productivity, destroying of property, and abridges upon pursuit of happiness to many. You may have the last word, I think we covered it all ;) |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/05/17 at 10:40:11 If the right had behaved in such a violent manner as the Ohh So Tolerant we would never hear the end of it. Bot even had the balls to support violence against Trump supporters, because they had it coming. He backed down, but the heart was seen. |
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Title: Re: I take full blame..... Post by T And T Garage on 05/05/17 at 10:46:23 3C2F372A2F39294E0 wrote:
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