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Title: LED DAYMAKER STYLE HEADLIGHT Post by SALB on 04/27/17 at 11:05:19 A little spendy, but I'm considering these. https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/led-headlight-bulbs-conversion-kits/7-round-h6024-dot-approved-led-sealed-beam-headlights-conversion/3146/#tab/Specifications |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by verslagen1 on 04/27/17 at 11:42:10 After being wholly disappointed in the LED lights in my Vegas 7" bucket. I got one of these Jeep conversion lights. Haven't had the chance to get it on the road yet. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by springman on 04/27/17 at 13:32:41 SALB, you can get the Daymaker lights on eBay for a lot less. I will make time one of these weekends to go by the HD dealership and see if I can get a used bucket that is in good shape for just a few bucks. If I can I will be ordering a Daymaker headlamp. I want to see if I can get it all for $70.00 or less, preferably less. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by badwolf on 04/27/17 at 13:46:38 Tocsik, Thanks for the info on the handguards. You would not think someone who grew-up outside Buffalo would get cold hands riding in a Fla winter, but I do! 2 weeks ago in Columbia SC with 42 degree mornings I would have liked them also. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by SALB on 04/27/17 at 14:21:46 4744465D5A5359555A340 wrote:
I just threw that out there as an example. I can't seem to find any info on which ones are DOT compliant (except the one I referenced), but Ebay has them as low as $50 and also in 5.75 inch. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by verslagen1 on 04/27/17 at 14:54:47 3A382B352B293138302B590 wrote:
This one is similar to the Vegas shell I got but mine is 7". As you can see it comes with a bezel and a positioning plate. I needed to make a gasket to fit between the bezel and the headlight. It was just a little loose. Because the daymaker is a projection lens, I don't think it'll matter whether it's 7 or 6" as the projection lenses are smaller anyway. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by springman on 04/27/17 at 19:29:39 Salb, most of the time on eBay they don't indicate if DOT approved. But if you enlarge the picture you can see the DOT stamp on the lens. Careful though, the cheaper ones actually say TOP so you know that side is up, but lack the DOT marking. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by springman on 04/27/17 at 19:33:21 Versi, I just emailed the ebay seller to ask if the 5.75" daymaker lamp will fit in that housing without any modifications. I'll let you know what they say. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by badwolf on 04/27/17 at 20:23:56 springman, That housing looks just like the one I used. The bulb interfered on the back edge and I filed it down with a rasp to fit in. NOT the most ideal thing, but it worked. No room for any of the wiring that should go in there. You'll have to figure out what to do to hide it. The mount adapter is not too hard to make. If you order it be sure you can send it back if it don't work. I would try to find one that looks longer. Good luck. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by springman on 04/28/17 at 09:17:26 Thanks Badwolf. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by SALB on 04/28/17 at 09:34:46 5754564D4A4349454A240 wrote:
Thanks for the hint. :) |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by GreasyJonny on 05/12/17 at 07:04:29 So I read through this thread, great read. Figured I throw my 2 cents in. I'm ignorant to most things about this bike (recent acquisition) but I understand basic circuitry (recent manufacturing and engineering grad). For those concerned with the 30w heat dump at the rectifier, my idea was if you measured the resistance of the original bulb, measured the resistance of the new LED (which might be higher than we expect because of the onboard circuitry) and put a resister (that matched the difference) in series with the bulb you should be able to maintain the same current. I double checked that general principle with our electrical engineer and said without doing the calculations it was a sound principle. He had a hard time believing the system wasn't regulated though, but I deferred to your expertise on that matter. Can you guys elaborate though on how this system operates without being regulated? Thanks, |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by Dave on 05/12/17 at 07:23:09 The system has a rectifier/regulator under the seat, it is bolted to the back fender. The concern was not that it isn't regulated - the concern is that the regulator works by dumping the left over energy into a resistor and it creates heat. When you take a 40 watt headlight out of the system and install a 20 watt LED.....those 20 watts are "excess" if you don't use them somewhere else - so the rectifier/regulators just adds those 20 watts to the energy that is is going to "dump" as heat. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by springman on 05/12/17 at 07:31:25 Versi, I had forgotten. I did get a response back from the seller. But the response was that he did not know. :o |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by verslagen1 on 05/12/17 at 07:36:40 What we have is a 3 phase generator, permanent magnets. Regulation (if you can call it that) is done at the outlet. 3 zener diodes shunt the surplus voltage to ground. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by GreasyJonny on 05/12/17 at 08:04:51 5C676A7D6C607B7D666E637C0F0 wrote:
Ok yeah this is exactly how I understood it, but I was mixing that understanding with someone else's comment mentioning that the rectifier couldn't regulate current, and that's why it had to dump the 30w in heat instead of actually running cooler with less load (which was the electrical engineers initial assumption). So back to my idea. What does everyone think of adding a resistor in series to make up the difference? |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by Dave on 05/12/17 at 08:20:49 So far......nobody has burned up a rectifier from switching to an LED that we can prove - so adding an extra load hasn't been a necessity. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by Kenny G on 05/12/17 at 08:23:19 I don't ride at night so I don't need much in the way of a headlight. Could I change to a bulb that would allow me to have a heated vest in the winter time? Kenny G :-/ |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by Tocsik on 05/12/17 at 08:25:06 557B705D6C7F6D761E0 wrote:
Easy. Just make a quick-disconnect for the rectum fryer and attach it to a chain mail vest! Plug it in when you ride and Bob's yer uncle! |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by Jarhead-CO on 05/12/17 at 08:27:05 032D260B3A293B20480 wrote:
I'm no expert but if you changed to a bulb that was 35 watts down from 55 watts and you bought a heated vest that took 20 watts to run (anything aimed at heating is going to draw a ton of watts though.) It would be essentialy stock current draw. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by Kenny G on 05/12/17 at 08:27:37 That is certainly helpful... :-/ |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by GreasyJonny on 05/12/17 at 09:08:57 6A5E4F5D5D534B0001380 wrote:
I'm no expert but if you changed to a bulb that was 35 watts down from 55 watts and you bought a heated vest that took 20 watts to run (anything aimed at heating is going to draw a ton of watts though.) It would be essentialy stock current draw.[/quote] Simplistically yes that should work. Watts (power) is voltage (volts) times current (amps). P=V•I if p and v remain the same I (amps) must as well. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by badwolf on 05/12/17 at 09:33:47 I have been running a 20/40 watt led headlight with a pair of 15 watt driving lights that I only use at night. About 30k on that set-up with about 80% daylight miles running only low beam. No problems. My solo seat is open on the back to the rectifier about 2 or 3 inches from my butt, I have never noticed any heat. I would be wary of any heating clothing, as it draws a LOT of juice. Has anyone ever determined just how much output our system has? |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by verslagen1 on 05/12/17 at 09:39:35 5D687F7B696350757474631A0 wrote:
Ok yeah this is exactly how I understood it, but I was mixing that understanding with someone else's comment mentioning that the rectifier couldn't regulate current, and that's why it had to dump the 30w in heat instead of actually running cooler with less load (which was the electrical engineers initial assumption). So back to my idea. What does everyone think of adding a resistor in series to make up the difference? [/quote] In series with the bulb? That drops the available voltage to the bulb giving you a dimmer light. You mean in parallel, but that's what the zeners do. Open circuit, the generator puts out over a 100v each phase. Closed circuit IDK, but it's over 14v. So, depending on resistance, circuit load (lights, vest, cell phone, etc.) and battery charge, voltage and current will vary up unto the zener rating. Yes, you can add more load and take it off the zener... but, that's what they do. |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Bulb Post by GreasyJonny on 05/12/17 at 13:26:18 160512130C0107050E51600 wrote:
Ok yeah this is exactly how I understood it, but I was mixing that understanding with someone else's comment mentioning that the rectifier couldn't regulate current, and that's why it had to dump the 30w in heat instead of actually running cooler with less load (which was the electrical engineers initial assumption). So back to my idea. What does everyone think of adding a resistor in series to make up the difference? [/quote] In series with the bulb? That drops the available voltage to the bulb giving you a dimmer light. You mean in parallel, but that's what the zeners do. Open circuit, the generator puts out over a 100v each phase. Closed circuit IDK, but it's over 14v. So, depending on resistance, circuit load (lights, vest, cell phone, etc.) and battery charge, voltage and current will vary up unto the zener rating. Yes, you can add more load and take it off the zener... but, that's what they do.[/quote] Yes yes, quite right, I meant parallel. I read through this whole thread, and I got the impression that a lot of people were concerned about it. I wouldn't have bothered if I had seen these last few comments that are basically screw that's what it's there for. I plan on eventually changing the headlamp some what, so I'm glad to hear people have this working for many miles without issue. |
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Title: LED Headlight Replacement Post by rich8363 on 05/09/17 at 21:50:57 Has anyone replaced their headlight with one of these? https://www.amazon.com/OLS-Headlight-Assembly-Davidson-Motorcycles/dp/B01LBYZAJO http://https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81s3MNUohdL._SL1500_.jpg |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Replacement Post by badwolf on 05/09/17 at 23:09:05 Yes, their called a ''daymaker''. I have a 5'' one on my bike up here in north county. Came across state on rt70 tonight, and teamed with a pair of 15 watt driving lights the combo is the best lighting I have ever had on a m/c!!! They won't fit in a stock housing thou. Here is a recent discussion on that subject. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1478175220 |
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Title: Re: LED DAYMAKER STYLE HEADLIGHT Post by Dave on 05/17/17 at 08:31:02 I split this "Daymaker" LED thread out of the LED bulb thread, as they are a bit different than just a bulb change and the Daymaker style lights require a new headlight housing and will not work with the stock Savage headlight. The Daymaker lights probably put out more light - but they are more expensive to get all the parts needed...and the change requires a bit more wrenching. The original LED headlight thread will be used to discuss installing an LED "bulb" in the stock headlight and reflector - in hopes we can find a $30-$50 lighting upgrade for the stock headlight. |
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Title: Re: LED DAYMAKER STYLE HEADLIGHT Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/17/17 at 08:39:10 I ride nights. I ride bone shaking rough roads. The filament can't be happy. The bucket may kick itself. I'm looking forward to this being available. I'll be shipping the pulley home soon. |
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Title: Re: LED DAYMAKER STYLE HEADLIGHT Post by Dave on 05/17/17 at 08:56:35 293630372A2D1C2C1C24363A71430 wrote:
I should be getting the machined headlight adapters this week. I have not seen them yet to know how much prep work they will need to make then pretty. They will be bare aluminum - so they will corrode quickly unless they are clear or silver powder coated. Dave |
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Title: Re: LED DAYMAKER STYLE HEADLIGHT Post by verslagen1 on 05/17/17 at 09:00:36 Daymaker style lights are made to replace the glass lens in the headlight. This is what I did with the beasts headlight which is a 7" Vegas bucket. I did have to add a gasket to make it fit right in the shell. The stock headlight does have plates fore and aft of the lens to hold it in place. So it may fit w/out mod. The Daymaker style lights require less depth then putting a LED bulb in a stock headlight. Badwolf put one in and it looks like a stock headlight. http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp198/carlrphair/s40/led%20h.lite%20front_zpswaby7gmm.jpg |
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Title: Re: LED Headlight Replacement Post by Dave on 05/17/17 at 09:16:06 6062716F71736B626A71030 wrote:
Badwolf used a small Harley housing. The stock headlight uses the reflector as the "structure" that holds every thing together - so if you remove the reflector and lens - there it nothing holding the parts together! I suppose you could adapt a way to make anything work - but the headlight housings that accept the "drop in" type light housing would make it much easier. |
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Title: Re: LED DAYMAKER STYLE HEADLIGHT Post by badwolf on 05/17/17 at 10:00:42 Yes, Dave is correct. The Daymaker style headlight bulb WILL NOT FIT IN A STOCK HOUSING. And it will not fit in some small ''normal'' housings. These bulbs are much thicker in the back than a normal bulb. I put it into a aftermarket Bates style housing only with much effort with a rasp and grinding wheel! (REALLY NOT SOMETHING I WOULD RECOMMEND OTHERS DO.) Look closely at the drawings of these bulbs BEFORE you order a housing, you will want one that is longer than normal. And remember, there is a bunch of wiring inside the stock housing that needs to go somewhere. That said, I now have the BEST lighting I have ever had on a m/c! I no longer see my own shadow when a car pulls up close behind me at night! If you are thinking of changing for a style statement,,, don't bother. But if you ride alot at night, and are willing to do the effort to get the best lighting you can, you WILL like it when you are done. |
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Title: Re: LED DAYMAKER STYLE HEADLIGHT Post by George Palickar on 05/18/17 at 19:36:00 Ya, 3 zeners do not a regulator make. Really lame-o circuit. I should design a good actual regulator for the S40. Look at it this way. The voltage at the + 12V terminal determines how much the zener conducts. If the voltage goes up (as if you put a lower load on the circuit, like a lower wattage headlight) the zener's effective resistance goes down, "trying" to keep the voltage constant. This makes the zeners hotter by drawing more current. My advice: Electrical Engr for 30 years, keep the load in watts similar to design loads. If the led is brigher, but more efficient, add driving lights to equal the wattage at 12V of the original bulb. Anything else too much in the low or high load direction will give you headaches, and will require a better regulation setup. Adding a resistor in series with the headlight wil make things worse, because it will drop voltage in the headlight circuit, reducing the LED brightness, and reducing even further the total current load from the LED alone situation which makes the zeners hotter. |
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Title: Re: LED DAYMAKER STYLE HEADLIGHT Post by buster6315 on 05/18/17 at 19:58:17 'Daymaker' headlight? Have you considered how this type of light might affect oncoming traffic? If you require such a powerful headlight, perhaps you should not ride after dark. |
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Title: Re: LED DAYMAKER STYLE HEADLIGHT Post by badwolf on 05/18/17 at 20:13:12 It is all about the light pattern. A lot of lights you see on ''show'' bikes look cool, but are made for off-road or shop light use. No DOT on the glass. Those lights throw a lot of light and WILL blind or annoy oncoming traffic. To put DOT on the bulb they must meet DOT standards for pattern. When you try a LED with 6000k light, you will think you have been riding with your shades on before. Notice oncoming cars at night, some lights are white, and some are yellow. If you are used to yellow and try white 6000k you won't want to go back. |
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Title: Re: LED DAYMAKER STYLE HEADLIGHT Post by Dave on 05/19/17 at 03:09:11 All low beam lights should have a vertical cut-off built in that prevents the light from shining "upward" and into the faces of the oncoming traffic. This is the reason that low beams don't shine very far down the road or light up overhead signs. http://i66.tinypic.com/2d8qql2.jpg High beams do not have the vertical cutoff, and they shine a much larger light pattern down the road. http://i65.tinypic.com/ef1he.jpg Some cheap LED's don't have a vertical cut off in the low beam, and you should avoid using those. |
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Title: Re: LED DAYMAKER STYLE HEADLIGHT Post by TheNaughtyLemur on 05/26/17 at 11:50:48 My friend has a HD 883 Iron that he got the first week of April and promptly installed a Daymaker knock off. https://www.amazon.com/Wisamic-Projection-Daymaker-Headlight-Motorcycles/dp/B01DZU30S0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495824207&sr=8-1&keywords=wisamic+5-3+4+5.75+round+led+projection+daymaker He installed this one. It seems to always have moisture on the inside. Its also horrendous to ride with him when I am leading. The light is way too bright and blinding. |
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Title: Re: LED DAYMAKER STYLE HEADLIGHT Post by Dave on 06/05/17 at 12:59:08 6162607B7C757F737C120 wrote:
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Title: Re: LED DAYMAKER STYLE HEADLIGHT Post by justin_o_guy2 on 06/05/17 at 17:36:52 That's good looking.. very reasonably priced |
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