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Title: Biker meets his end Post by engineer on 04/26/17 at 12:33:45 Here is a video from a police dashcam.  The officer bumps the rear of a motorcycle twice.  The second time the biker loses control and dies in the crash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zC4ZLlN_rw

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by Dave on 04/26/17 at 13:05:39 Well obviously the biker and the officer were both wrong in what they did. The first bump occurred at 88 mph...the second one at 64mph...it has a very bad outcome.  I guess that is a good example of why most officers don't intentionally bump into motorcycles or put out stop sticks. If he was being chased for murder or armed robbery or rape or a very serious crime maybe he needed to be stopped - it would be a shame if the chase was for something minor.

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by engineer on 04/26/17 at 18:10:28 The Daily Mail carried the story today and they report that the Deputy was watching for speeders when the man went by at a high rate of speed.  So basically it was a speeding violation and subsequent failure to pull over that led to this man's death.  Apparently the Sheriff's Dept. is blaming the biker, saying that he slowed down forcing the deputy to rear end him.

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by raydawg on 04/26/17 at 18:17:40 Break out the checkbook...... Without being privy to all the facts, I can only surmise, but I would say the cop should have known the plate was captured by his video. That could then be used for a citation. They use cameras all the time now and don't have to prove who was at the wheel.

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/26/17 at 20:39:29 Apparently the Sheriff's Dept. is blaming the biker, saying that he slowed down forcing the deputy to rear end him. Try that defense when you hit someone in the rear. What slows quicker? Fat boy on a HD or a cop car? If I could stomach watching it again id go see if the brake light lights. I'd watch the speed,

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by mpescatori on 04/27/17 at 04:17:48 I cannot see the video from the offic because of security filters that block streaming video such as Youtube. Thus I can only work out of assumptions. IF the motorcycle rider's family ask for an official investigation and the tape is analysed, only THEN will the investigation determine if the bike jammed the brakes or if the car rammed the bike. In the first case, case closed. In the second case, it's anything from "Murder 1" to "Manslaughter". Regardless, either that cop has slow reflexes or he's got a very fiery temper. Neither is a good thing for a Police Officer.

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by Dave on 04/27/17 at 05:28:55 The video is not High Definition, and the back of the motorcycle is washed out from the brightness of the chase car headlights.....I can't make out the tail lights or brake lights....just a white glare.  It is also nearly impossible to make out what the rider is going with his hands as he is losing control and the bike is moving around violently as the rider tries to keep the bike upright. To my untrained eye - and without the benefit of being able to feel the braking forces involved - it does appear the officer intentionally got too close and bumped the motorcycle the first time - however the speed on the first bump was 88mph, and the second bump occurred about 3 second later at 64mph...and the short time interval would suggest that the car was braking pretty hard between the 1st and 2nd bump. Although the bump(s) did cause the rider to have difficulty controlling the bike and certainly had an affect on the ability of the rider to control the motorcycle - the crash came about as the rider was going over to the right side of the roadway and tried to pass a car on the right side at the same time the driver was pulling over to the curb to get out of the way of the Police Car and the flashing lights he saw coming up behind him.  I am sure the driver could not see what was going on in his rear view mirror - he was just pulling over to get out of the way.

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by Dagillespi on 04/28/17 at 15:35:45 If he was in pursuit after the guy committed a forcible felony or the bike was stolen I could understand, but for speeding that's unacceptable. Get the number from the video and take care of it that way.

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/28/17 at 16:08:40 No. He's a Suspect. Never okay to cause a crash. Plenty of o ther cops.

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by eau de sauvage on 04/28/17 at 23:40:35 Viewing this from outside the USA perspective to me it's just another one of the many random incidents of police killing citizens without cause, this is just slightly more unusual than how it normally happens.

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by philthymike on 04/29/17 at 05:59:46 There's been a few police related accidents in Philly recently that make me wonder. In the last one the patrol car hit a pedestrian who subsequently died. Over the winter there was a high speed chase where the police crashed into an uninvolved motorist killing him. Another similar incident in Camden, NJ recently too. I'm thinking the people in charge with handing out moving violations need to learn how to drive themselves. I've personally observed some pretty negligent driving on the part of cops around my area, running lights, turning without signals, cutting people off, tailgating and wandering distractedly in and out of their lane. I'd suggest whatever driving training they are giving isn't good enough or skills assessments after the fact are not happening. It's a shame when cops can't drive. As for the USA and it's random incidents of killing citizens I'm sure the longer Trump is in office the worse this situation is going to get. IMO the cops have been emboldened by his presence to be more aggressive and violent. Naturally this will lead to even higher incidents of civilians killing cops. Makes for interesting times ahead. I'm waiting for the inevitable call to martial law. The stage is being set...

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/29/17 at 08:15:20 martial law. The stage is being set. Been slipping that general direction for decades. I'm not seeing any attitude change in cops since Trump.

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by Ruttly on 04/29/17 at 10:44:10 Two idiots here the cop and the biker. If the biker would have pulled over he would still be alive,he started the chain of bad decisions that caused his own death. He would have crashed without the cops help sooner or later and maybe killed someone else in the process. Still no excuses for this cops bad decision causing a death , he will go unpunished ,you watch ! But I see a huge civil suit happening !

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/29/17 at 12:48:57 Pretty casually you point out that the biker would have ended up dead anyway. That makes the Cop, one who supposedly protects people, somehow not The Reason for the dead rider? We know Nothing about what happened before the cop hit him.  If he rolled through a stop sign, doesn't have insurance and wanted away, big deal, If he Was Gonna wind up Dead anyway, I wonder how long he's been riding and Why wasn't he already dead? Some messed up rationalizing there.

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by Ruttly on 04/29/17 at 21:09:47 Rev. JOG maybe you should read all that again slowly. I don't take sides here. The biker made the first bad decision, In turn took the gamble and lost big time , he could have been hit by cross traffic as well but he still made the decision not to stop. The cop also make a bad decision to bump him and then again , taking a life. He deserves to go to jail but we all know a judge will rule it was justified , in turn he will go unpunished. That's real world crap and you know it. Isn't much difference if he used his bumper or his pistol is it !

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/29/17 at 21:46:15 Nope, dead is dead. I disagree with the inevitability of his death. The cop could have dropped the chase.

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by Ruttly on 04/29/17 at 21:56:34 Ok he may not have died but that cop wasn't going to quit the chase , he was chasing his ego !

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/30/17 at 04:36:40 Bingo.  Cop is unstable. Caused the biker to crash.

Title: Re: Biker meets his end Post by koehlerrk on 05/01/17 at 05:46:39 Showed the video to my cop neighbor. He shook his head, said that cop is in deep doo-doo...

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