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Message started by raydawg on 04/21/17 at 05:10:13

Title: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by raydawg on 04/21/17 at 05:10:13

How can a university square their actions with the goal that teaching is all about gathering and discerning information in a manner that should produce facts, or truth?
If you deny challenge to ANY perceived truth, or belief, how does that strengthen your argument or belief?

What is the left afraid of?

I guess ISIS is afraid of the infidel.
Hitler, what, afraid of Judaism?

Is any belief good if it produces fear upon which you must act upon others to quell it?

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by oldNslow on 04/21/17 at 05:58:10


Quote:
How can a university square their actions with the goal that teaching is all about gathering and discerning information in a manner that should produce facts, or truth?


Because that isn't really their "goal".

Understand that, and their actions make perfect sense.

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by raydawg on 04/21/17 at 10:11:57


46787975677B7A140 wrote:

Quote:
How can a university square their actions with the goal that teaching is all about gathering and discerning information in a manner that should produce facts, or truth?


Because that isn't really their "goal".

Understand that, and their actions make perfect sense.


Gee, if a dreamer can sue Trump, why can't we bring a class action lawsuit against the school for failure to provide a viable education?

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by oldNslow on 04/21/17 at 12:19:51


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Gee, if a dreamer can sue Trump, why can't we bring a class action lawsuit against the school for failure to provide a viable education?


I think you have to have a plaintiff or plaintiffs for a lawsuit. Have to find one of the moonbats that goes (or went) to school there that didn't think they got their moneys worth. That might not be easy to do. :D  :D

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by raydawg on 04/21/17 at 13:43:03


46787975677B7A140 wrote:

Quote:
Gee, if a dreamer can sue Trump, why can't we bring a class action lawsuit against the school for failure to provide a viable education?


I think you have to have a plaintiff or plaintiffs for a lawsuit. Have to find one of the moonbats that goes (or went) to school there that didn't think they got their moneys worth. That might not be easy to do. :D  :D


Well if Trump makes them have to go earn a living to be able to afford legal pot now, well, stranger things have happened  ;D

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by MnSpring on 04/21/17 at 18:07:13

"...why can’t we bring a class action lawsuit against the school for failure to provide a viable education?.."

That would be a very interesting case.

1. Prove, that you did Not know, that collage, did  NOT,  teach the, Facts.
2. Prove, that the ‘professors’, teaching, ’taught’,  ONLY,  ’their’,  POV, no others.
3. Prove, that that collage, ‘indoctrinated’, students to only ONE, POV.

Risk point:
Might draw a  Judge, who, ‘forced’, a  baker to bake a cake.

But, thinking it might be a possibility.
If it did occur.
Sure would not see it reported on, Chicken Noddle News.

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by MnSpring on 04/21/17 at 18:19:31

Forgot.
 “Observed  Reality”
is  NOT,  
‘Really,  ‘REAL”.

(As it applied to how some, Universities, teach.)

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by raydawg on 04/22/17 at 06:01:35

Well maybe they could use the same complaint and spirit of the law that was brought against Trumpn University  ;D

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by Serowbot on 04/22/17 at 08:53:41

There is no rule that all points of view must be presented...
That would be stupid.
We don't teach flat earth... lizard people,.. creation,...
..and we don't teach hate...

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/22/17 at 09:14:51

Not Teaching conservative views is one thing. Making the campus hostile to anyone who would dare speak in support of conservative ideas is quite another.
The violent protests by the Tawlurunt Ones, the assaults, the threats, the destruction of property, all because there is no willingness to debate. That's not tolerance, that's what a mentally deficient angry child does when they don't get their way. And WHY do people act like that? Because they KNOW that what they believe and want don't hold up to rational scrutiny. It's not what the Left RESORT to, it's Step ONE. They go Full Retard, either sucking a thumb, holding a stuffed animal, whimpering in the fetal position or throwing trash cans at people. Yeah, the Left are the intellectual and sophisticated, it's those knuckle dragging conservatives who are the problem.
I Told you people that the conservatives Would eventually swing on you. There have been a few punches returned. Expect a Buncha pushback. America is sick of the perpetual push to make reason and decency things of the past.

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by raydawg on 04/22/17 at 09:58:31


3E283F223A2F22394D0 wrote:
There is no rule that all points of view must be presented...
That would be stupid.
We don't teach flat earth... lizard people,.. creation,...
..and we don't teach hate...


WOW, just plain old amazing.....
They teach all those things depending on context.
But you call it stupid, is stupid in its face....
For as rightwing religious zealots judge folk based on their perception, so do you.
Not only that, it assumes America's thinking is paramount, all other civilizations, etc, must measured against such, failing that, we assign it stupid, primitive, dumb, etc.

Thanks for showing your contempt, the bookend of hate  ;D

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by Serowbot on 04/22/17 at 10:25:42

I'm sure they teach Nazism and anti-Semitism too... but not as a lifestyle choice...

You are taking me out of context...and you know it.


Do you really want your universities to teach science denial as an alternative to science?...
There is a global protest march happening today...
It's not Dem's vs Repub's,.. Lib's vs Conservatives...
It's the world,.. vs Trump's idiotic policies...
The world!!!!!....

There is an alternative to learning...
That's not learning...
Just don't go...  :-?

It's not Berkeley = ignorance..
It's Berkeley vs ignorance...

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by raydawg on 04/22/17 at 11:44:32


7066716C74616C77030 wrote:
I'm sure they teach Nazism and anti-Semitism too... but not as a lifestyle choice...

You are taking me out of context...and you know it.


Do you really want your universities to teach science denial as an alternative to science?...
There is a global protest march happening today...
It's not Dem's vs Repub's,.. Lib's vs Conservatives...
It's the world,.. vs Trump's idiotic policies...
The world!!!!!....

There is an alternative to learning...
That's not learning...
Just don't go...  :-?

It's not Berkeley = ignorance..
It's Berkeley vs ignorance...


I am not talking Trump, or people's charges against him.
I have shared many times, Trump represents a symptom of what you call the "world", of their intolerance.
You give much credence to movements with assigning it value based on your beliefs and perspectives, a real forest through the tree scenario.
You once stated if a person was so removed from witnessing the US happenings for a year or so, they would have hard time discerning who won the election......
I agree, most folks live life on its own daily in a manner that does not involve them getting into political or social warfare.
You use Trump as some sort of bellwether to justify actions, and don't see that it runs counter to your desires.
It is no different than the religious right using biblical sin out of context to arm themselves into actions in the political and social arena.
Both believe their cause just, but fail to see they use the same rationale to justify that of which they find fault in others.
It's like a person who never loses an argument, in their mind.
They live a life seeing only challenges, not opportunities....

Who shall be the first to lay aside hate, perhaps even being a victim to death, so others can see the real effects of the needing to be right?

I am certain, someday, man will find he was wrong.
He will see it is better to give, than to take, but in doing so, he will receive.
He will find it was him, who withheld love for others at the cost of denying love for himself.
That pride offered nothing, but assured failure, when that was the only reason they had to continue.

You can have the last word if it pleases you, I have nothing further to add.

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by T And T Garage on 04/22/17 at 12:02:34


6E786F726A7F72691D0 wrote:
I'm sure they teach Nazism and anti-Semitism too... but not as a lifestyle choice...

You are taking me out of context...and you know it.


Do you really want your universities to teach science denial as an alternative to science?...
There is a global protest march happening today...
It's not Dem's vs Repub's,.. Lib's vs Conservatives...
It's the world,.. vs Trump's idiotic policies...
The world!!!!!....

There is an alternative to learning...
That's not learning...
Just don't go...  :-?

It's not Berkeley = ignorance..
It's Berkeley vs ignorance...



As always - very well stated!!!

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by pg on 04/22/17 at 15:16:03

It's not Berkeley = ignorance..
It's Berkeley vs ignorance..

Bill says Berkely = Book Burning

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xHASkyWpLQ[/media]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xHASkyWpLQ

Best regards,

Title: Re: Berkeley =  ignorance or what?
Post by MnSpring on 04/22/17 at 16:07:52

Lets’ see.  Lets say, I am a,  ‘professor’ in a ‘Liberal’, university.

“Catcher in the Rye”, “Lord of the Flies”
I  Don’t Like, their message, so, you will,  NOT,  read them.

Their is talk about, Creationism vs. Evolution.
Nonsense, you will Only, Study, Evolution.

Religions, their is  NONE,  they are biased, ONLY, on Myths.
You will be taught, the, True, way.

Politics, despite what you may hear,
Big Companies will ONLY, Extort you,
and You have the Right, to FREE, things.

You will protest against any, ‘Power’, which you disagree with.
And  Anything, you wish to do, is all right.
And when you are told, that the POTUS, Is, ‘against’, you.
You Will  Loot, Set Fires, and Cause  Violence.
You will NOT, form your objections in a rational sense, and send them on.

Their is talk about, ‘Global Warming’, and different POV’s.
You Will ONLY, take the stand, that we all  MUST,
Stop Consumption of  Oil.
Their will be  NO  discussion on alternative methods.

You Will, agree, that ALL  Guns, must be Banned,
For I will, ’teach’, that All Guns are  Evil.


     On and On and ON.

It was said: “It’s Berkeley vs ignorance”
    (And Like)

Totally  disagree, it is, It’s: “Berkeley = Indoctrination”.

Teaching, is:  ’Teaching  HOW, to LEARN’.
   Not,  ‘What’, to learn.

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