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Title: My first handgun Post by springman on 04/18/17 at 08:21:17 I figured I would throw this out to see what ya'll think. I am thinking of buying a handgun and have narrowed it down to 2 guns. The Phoenix Arms HP22A, a .22lr semi auto and the Taurus PT111 Millenium G2, a 9mm semi auto. Both are relatively inexpensive and both seem to have pretty good reviews online and both have an original purchaser lifetime warranty. I like the idea of the .22 because the ammo is cheap but then I like the idea of the 9mm because of its stopping power. Comments? Oh by the way, I am a tight wad! ;) |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by youzguyz on 04/18/17 at 08:46:24 Oh boy.. . this could be worse than an oil war. This is for personal protection. Stopping power is important. 9mm hollow point is generally considered to be the smallest caliber suited to that purpose. Waiting to see what the rest of the peanut gallery says... ;D |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Oldfeller on 04/18/17 at 08:49:08 9mm is the best mix of "controllable and non-punishing" in a light auto pistol -- and modern expanding 115 grain ammo has "good enough stopping power" in a 9mm out of a short barrel. You must practice with the gun constantly and ongoing to keep your ability to shoot it accurately -- you must build up muscle memory and practice to keep it current. Women tend not to shoot a 9mm well as it has sharp recoil unless they practice, practice, practice. This applies to small framed men (like me) too. My bones are small, anyway. Both me and my daughter both tend to shoot a 40 cal Glock 22 better than a 9mm Glock 17. Longer, slower recoil snap. She inherited both of the Glocks and the high cap magazines when she got married. I suffer along with other stuff .... |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by stewmills on 04/18/17 at 08:51:28 I have a Taurus PT22 among a few others. The PT22 (22lr) is a good little "shake gun" to carry around the yard but nothing I would ever consider for self defense. I have a .380 as well that is a reasonable defense caliber but still not packing a punch if you ever needed to really stop someone aggressively coming at you. I have no experience with the PT111 but did look at them last year. Nice little compact pistol. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Serowbot on 04/18/17 at 09:06:03 If you're new to handguns,.. I like a .22... You can afford to practice a lot with a .22... A hit with .22 is better than a miss with 9mm... People may say they have no stopping power, but nobody wants to get hit with one... :-? |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/18/17 at 09:06:26 The two handguns you've mentioned are two completely different weapons. A 9mm is a great self defense weapon, whereas the .22LR is a great range handgun. If the goal for this handgun is to learn basics and shoot at paper, then the .22LR is a great handgun. I have a Ruger SR22 and would strongly suggest that you add it to your list as it fires .22LR reliably - something that can not be said about all .22 based handguns. If the goal is self defense, will this be used in the house only, or will it be a carry weapon? Does it need to be concealed or open carry? These are three different uses. A large frame 9mm such as a CZ, G17 or M9 are great weapons, but very large. Concealed 9's usually are sub-compact and hold a limited number of rounds. This makes changing magazines quickly an important part of your training. I have about a dozen different 9's - I like 'em all and they all have their own special purpose. But if I had to pick just one, it would be the Walther PPQ. There's my $0.02 |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Dave on 04/18/17 at 09:26:52 For your first gun - buy the .22. You need to shoot thousands of rounds through it.......it should become as familiar to you as a a tennis racket or ball glove. You need to develop the muscle memory and skills required to shoot without thinking or aiming - you need to be able to point and shoot.....in an emergency there won't be time to use the sights. Then later on you can decide what you want for a "defense" weapon....and decide if that is something you keep on your nightstand - or in your pocket (it makes difference what you will choose). My neighbor says the absolute best "concealed carry" gun.......is the one you will carry with you all the time. There is no reason to get a .45 if it is just too big to carry and you leave it at home. I have a Ruger LCP that is a .380 and it fits in my back pocket......it may not have the stopping power of a larger gun - but I am a smallish person and I just can't conceal a larger gun. I have an ex-law enforcement friend that always carries a big gun - he wears loose clothing and shirts that allow him to hide his cannon......I am just not willing to make that dress code shift to allow me to carry a big gun. (The interweb never ceases to surprise and scare me. After posting this reply to this thread.......the banner ads at the top of my screen begin to play NRA advertisements!) |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by youzguyz on 04/18/17 at 09:36:08 While I guess there is some benefit to using a .22 for range shooting and developing "memory muscle" and basics and such. BUT, you need to practice with the gun you will be carrying .. more so. You have to be able to have the "muscle memory" of what that thing is going to do with the recoil. The .22 will not do that. If you are practicing draw, double tap.. the .22 will not do that. Wrong gun, wrong holster. Another neat "toy" are those no bullet practice setups. Like this: https://www.laser-ammo.com/laser-training You don't get the recoil practice, but you are practicing with a weapon that is the same size and weight as your carry (it IS your carry weapon). So, for draw and initial round placement, it will probably be a good training tool. Oh.. I suppose I should say what I use. Springfield XPS 9mm with extended clip. And I carry it all the time. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by raydawg on 04/18/17 at 09:55:22 A 22 well placed between the eyes is what, a migraine? :o Not a shooter myself, but I think what Dave says makes a lot of sense to my virgin trigger finger ;D |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Ruttly on 04/18/17 at 10:07:55 You'll put your eye out with that ! |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Dave on 04/18/17 at 10:12:44 Youzguyz: I agree that you do need to practice with what you are going to be using - but even Formula 1 drivers likely started out on go-carts and worked their way up with lot and lots of practice. Once you have become a "whiz" at shooting the .22 - learning to shoot a larger gun will be far easier. My little .380 isn't fun to shoot as it is small and light and hard to hold onto - it is definitely not something you want to shoot or a regular basis......a 9mm will be worse if it isn't a large frame gun. And I haven't priced 9mm ammo as I don't own one - but I would guess the stuff is a 10 times as expensive as the .22 is. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by TestPro on 04/18/17 at 10:24:53 .22 good start, 9mm good finish. Most people don't stop to check the caliber when it's pointed at them. Deterrence is the objective. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 04/18/17 at 10:38:29 Thanks for the input. I have seen that the .22lr ammo can be obtained at a cost of approximately .05/round on up. The 9mm seems to be available at around .16/round with steel casing (Tulammo) but apparently it has a steel core also which some ranges do not allow. 9mm with brass casing seem to start at around .22/round or so. So, basically the 9mm ammo is 4 to 5 times as expensive as the .22lr. I am leaning towards the .22 as a fun plinker and maybe eventually getting a 9mm. It is just that this particular 9mm is on sale at a ridiculously low price ($199.00 + tax) at a local dealer. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Dave on 04/18/17 at 11:25:19 Springman: Where do you plan on shooting? If you have neighbors nearby - the .22 will make a lot less noise. I had a young neighbor that used to shoot hundreds of rounds some evenings, and after a while it just blended in with the normal background noise. I don't think the same would be true of a larger bore gun. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/18/17 at 11:35:29 A .22 handgun is less noisy then a 9mm, but much louder then a .22 rifle. It still requires hearing protection. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 04/18/17 at 11:44:49 I would have to go to a range to shoot as I live in a neighborhood. I really do not know where else I might be able to shoot. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Ed L. on 04/18/17 at 12:21:23 I carry a Ruger .380 LCP which has a snappy recoil and is pretty small in my big mitts. Also have a Colt Woodsman .22 3rd series which is in such nice condition I don't shoot it much even though it's a ball to shoot. For a first gun I would go with a .22 just to learn how to shoot, for self defense go with a 9mm or .380 ACP, just make sure the gun fits your hand. If you have been shooting long guns and know what you are doing around fire arms then moving to a 9mm would be the way to go. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Ruttly on 04/18/17 at 12:24:13 Really , you live in Texas all that countryside , ask around has to be a place to shoot up some cans or targets |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 04/18/17 at 12:25:46 You are probably right Ruttly. I will ask around. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Ruttly on 04/18/17 at 12:39:09 Stick with the .22 way cheaper to shoot = more fun |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by 12Bravo on 04/18/17 at 13:13:34 I personally would stay away from the Phoenix Arms pistol. It is in the same category as the Jennings, Raven, and Jimenez pistols (junk AKA Saturday night specials). A .22 would be a good start for getting into pistol shooting. I would look into spending a little more and getting a Ruger Mk2/3 or SR22 or Walther P22. I always start new shooters off with 22s no matter if it's rifles or pistols. It's better to get the basics down with something with little recoil. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Papa Bear on 04/18/17 at 14:28:12 30 rounds of .22 Magnum should do the trick. If the bullet doesn't stop them the noise and fire will drive them away. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/08/jeremy-s/gun-review-kel-tec-pmr-30/ |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Ruttly on 04/18/17 at 15:10:42 And ALWAYS be sure of your back stop , what's catching the bullets , a .22 shot a the right angle can travel 1 1/2 miles ! They closed the gun range in Pacifica , CA cause a guy on the other side of the mountain/biga$$ hill found bullets all over his roof and more on his property from people shooting over the hill over 1 1/2 from the range lucky no one was hit or killed ! |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by MnSpring on 04/18/17 at 19:28:04 Very first handgun. a .22lr. Now, choose a A Semi-Auto Or a Revolver. (If Revolver) A Double Action, (DA) Or Single Action, (SA) DA Revolver, the Cylinder swings out of the firearm, to load or un load (Left side, as you point the firearm) SA Revolver, the Cyl stays in the gun, and a, ‘gate’ opened on the back, and you, push a cartridge in to load, and push out, (rod is attached to the firearm) a rot to eject) Think Cowboy style. (Gate on the right side, behind the cyl) Reason, for First Firearm, a .22LR. .22 Rounds cost, about .06 - .10 each. Center fire, .25 - 1.25 each. Next, ‘First’ Firearm. You will Learn how to shoot it. You will Lean how to, ’squeeze’, the trigger. You will learn, sight aliment. You will learn grip, shooting stance, faster and easier. Price: (new); Something, ’Cheep’, is cheep, now, but in the future, if you will to sell or trade, it will REALLY, be CHEEP ! Because, NO ONE, wants a ‘used one’, because they KNOW, they are a POS. Money to burn, 1,000 - 5,000, but again, less on, sell/trade, because much less of a market. Middle: 350 - 500, (In a GOOD firearm, with Re-Sale/Trade value) is your best bet. And odds are, that first, .22, you will Keep! (Thus the higher price and faster marketability, of a used, ‘Good’, .22 Revolver, DA: Ruger 101 in .22, or S&W, 63 (a J frame, (small) or 617 (a K frame, Med) NOT the S&W, 43, or 317. or ANY, Aluminum frame. They are JUST TO LIGHT, to be able to shoot/Learn with, even in a .22 Revolver, SA; Ruger, Single Six. (the rest are junk, or sky priced) Semi-Auto; S&W (SW22), Browning (Buck Mark), in the 300-500 range, Ruger, same dollar range. However, better resale/trade value. Ruger made, Standard, MK1, MKII, MKIII, MKIV. Stay away from the standard & MKI, hard and expensive to get clips for. The MKII, is the second best, The MKIII is a POS, and the new MKIV, is the best one. (and it will take MKIII clips) The Standard, MKI, MKII, are hard to take apart, the MKIII is MUCH WORSE, the MKIV, is a breeze. Above in new, used, a whole different story. Questions you need to ask yourself. Budget: (REAL Budget) Remember, buy cheep POS, don’t count on any return. Buy Super expensive, Much longer time to find a buyer. Middle, best. Get re-sale/trade value. Action: Semi-Auto, Revolver, DA or SA. Size / Barrel length/ Caliber. Learn to Shoot, or just have it in the drawer: Self Defense, or Learning: Can be the same firearm. As Bot said, “Better to hit, with a .22 than miss with a 9mm”. You said you will be going to a range. There will be Many people, that are Willing to help. Listen to them all, and try all the things. However, do NOT, depend on what they shoot, as to valuing their opinion. Someone and a new S-40, at 4-5T, and a New Harley, at 15-25T. Their skill at driving a MC, is NOT gauged, by, ‘what’ they drive. Their skill, is by what they, do. Consider, Two MUSTS !!!!!! Hearing Protection, 15.00 +++++, and Eye Protection, 5.00 ++++++ Also; A ‘case’, for the gun. 10.00 +++++ Cleaning items, 15.00 ++++, extra clips, speed loaders. Holster: Holster, DO NOT, Buy one new, DO NOT, buy one off the Net. (Until you know, exactly what you need, and why) EVERY, gun shop. (LGS) ‘Local Gun Shop’. WILL, have a BOX, FULL of them at 5 -25. (They get them with a firearm trade, and give little or NOTHING for them) Buy a used one that fits, (and very, VERY, seldom, are they ‘really’ used) This is JUST, the Start of your quest. Asking on a Forum, ‘which one’, with out handling, shooting, etc. Is Basically worthless. Find your local LGS’s, go their, ask. hold, perhaps use, (if available). BUT, do this test first: Ask to see revolvers, and then ask; “What is the difference between a Single action and a Double Action and a Double Action only” If you get a, ‘roll of the eyes of that salesperson. Do not walk put of the store, RUN OUT ! Either that person does NOT know the difference, or they are Smart Azz’es, and think they are better than you. (The #1 Question, in a Gun Shop, about Revolvers is, “Difference”. Which when working behind the Counter is heard 100 + times a day) Gun Ranges: Find them, go their, ask questions. Net Forums: Find them, (their are 100’s, and only 20-30 are well known) Look at posts, see what information is their. Find the best ones, (like this one on the LS650/S40 is), then use that valuable information. (Here’s a case, (on this Forum), ’Serowbot’ gives Great information on the MC’s, yet on the, ’TT’, he just does nonsense drive by’s) LOLOO Books: Their are literally 1000’s of books out their on shooting. Read THEM ! Wish you success, on your quest. Shooting, IS, a fantastic Sport ! |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by MMRanch on 04/18/17 at 19:45:18 SpringMan My carry gun is a North American Arms Black Widow , 2" 22 mag / w-30gr explosive tip ammo . They will cut a 2L water jug completely in two at close range. It also fits in my pocket so easy I always have it handy --- sometimes even forget I have it , its so light and easy to carry. It also comes with a 22LR cylinder to play with. I also have a Phoenix Arms 22 but the NAA only weights 1/3 as much I also have several 32ACP's to carry in the winter when "we all wear more layers". The 32ACP does with a 71 gr projectile what a 380 does with a 90 gr. projectile but ya get one extra shot in the same size package. Go with the taurus 22 , SR-22 , or the NAA combo ... its a no loose situation either way . Like Dave said ... "If ya leave it home or in the car because its too big or heavy - Then ya might as well leave it in the store " . ;) I prefer the 22LR and accuracy / over a larger gun you don't practice with. For the year , I'm 9 kills out of 14 shots on hovering bore-bees as of dark today . :) With the NAA Mini-Masters 4" , and 22LR Remington HP's . Ya can get 22LR shot/shell in 50 round boxes at co-op for about $8.oo and they are quiet enough to shot in town and the #12 shot don't go far either. They kill rats in the barn without shooting through the tin on top -- unless your really close to the tin. ::) What ever ya get ... Pay extra if ya have to , to get the Lite version if there is one ! This is the Black-Widow NAA w/laser |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Ruttly on 04/18/17 at 20:30:12 22 mag hollow point has the same hitting power of a 38spl ,without the exploding rounds. Cheap too. Very good round to have in your pocket ! |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by MMRanch on 04/18/17 at 20:42:46 CCI-22 Mag / 30 gr. explosive tip / Durhams had them in Feb. for $13.49 per 50 round box . I bought 4 boxes ;) CCI also makes a LR that shots a 40 gr.HP @ 1480fps , but they are had to find right now. They call them "Velocitors" Also don't forget about the CCI Stingers ... I hit a running rabbit with one of them once and it blew off one of the hind quarters and gutted the rabbit at the same time . And How about John Hinkley Jr. He took a RG-1.5" barrel revolver 22LR loaded with Quik-Shok ammo . In six shots he dropped two body guards , a press secretary , and one of the shots hit the car then fragmented into three pieces and one of those pieces hit President Regan in the ribs and sent him to the hospital. All four men survived but it sure took the fight out of them. Don't let anybody tell ya the 22LR is a joke of a gun . Its kink-of like those $20,000 Harley and Goldwing folks making fun of a Savage , out there where the rubber meets the road the Savage keeps up just fine . ;) Reminds me of a true (know the guy) story about a 22LR-round nose lead bullet . So the guy is ridding his bicycle to work and two other fellers intercept him , grab his handle bars , tells him what a nice bike he has, and tells him "why doin't he get his a$$ off it" and give it to them. So , he gives one of them a 22LR-round nose bullet from his little Jennings (cheep) auto , right in the gut . The other one ran quick , the shot one says "You Shot Me" then he runs off too ! On cops show the other day a drunk tries to take the State Troopers gun away from the trooper (9mm)... the gun goes off and the drunk says "You didn't have to shoot me" --- the Trooper says "Well , how did you think it would end when you tried to take my gun ? " ... Then , they both stood there and waited on the ambulance to arrive --- it was all on tape . It ain't what you hit with as mush as it it "WHERE" you hit. But it is nice to hit with more than enough ! ;) https://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/winchester-varmint-hv-22-wmr-polymer-tip-v-max-30-grain-50-rounds?a=1885116 |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by jcstokes on 04/19/17 at 02:46:53 Springman, avoid buying a flintlock pistol. when I attempted to use one the ball rolled out the barrel three times before the charge ignited. I'm unsure if the ball was in the barrel when the charge ignited. I had some success with a sort of revolver. I think I hit a target two foot square with two shots out of six at twenty odd feet. The revolver seemed large, the calibre small. I tried some sort of Glock, I think, but never hit anything. A quote from Ernest K Gann's book, Of Good And Evil, "the average gunman couldn't hit a barn door at twenty paces, but then there was the one who wasn't average, or just lucky" be careful. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by LANCER on 04/19/17 at 06:34:01 3635372C2B2228242B450 wrote:
I've got 70 acres outside of Henryetta OK to play on, with plenty of places to shoot. Any day of the week you can hear someone shooting. It's no big deal here. I pull out a gun, or all of them, set up targets or something to shoot at and fire away. My 270 and 45-70 are not allowed in most indoor ranges so I use my own range. You are welcome to come up; let me know if you want to come up and play; stay a few days. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by philthymike on 04/19/17 at 06:43:48 I don't got alot of experience with guns. My uncle used to take me out on his mountain near Port Jervis to shoot targets with a .22 rifle. It was nice in that it had almost no kick to it. Later on I started shooting skeet with friends who used .410 shot guns. In the Navy I trained with the Remington 12 gauge and the Beretta M9. I have to say that for my 1st pistol I found the 9mm quite easy to handle, load and shoot. I had great aim with it right off too. It's good I don't own a pistol though because alot of pickup truck and subcompact road raging idiots would get their tires shot out. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by youzguyz on 04/19/17 at 07:12:21 504250424F5C535E551D0 wrote:
Hmmmm.. never heard of explosive tip ammo before. I am not into guns for recreation, so I don't follow what is going on. I shoot enough to keep my skills up, and I go to a range that doesn't get pissy about draw practice, double tap, rapid fire, etc. While carrying my 9mm is not a problem, I might be interested in a .22 setup like that. Need to do a bit of research. Learn something new everyday. Remembering it.. another story. :D |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by MMRanch on 04/19/17 at 08:18:27 YouzGuyz : Learn something new everyday. Remembering it.. another story. ;D I know that story TOO Well ! ::) That link to the Winchester is one of the "Varmit" ammo The Black-Widow model is under 9 oz. The Mini Master model is 10.8 oz. even out of the pistol Velocity is 1400 fps + and lightly constructed bullets makes for good explosions :) All that being said : If I was going into a known bad situation --- I'd want my rifle ! ;) - |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 04/19/17 at 08:32:10 Thanks for the invite Lancer. Actually I heard we were going to do some plinking at your place when we all show up next month and I did not want to be the only one without a plinker. Thanks to all for all the input, it has been educational. And yes I think I will stay away from the flintlock style gun. I am hoping to be able to get more than one shot off every minute. If that HP22A is still available this weekend I think I will purchase it along with some ammo. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by youzguyz on 04/19/17 at 08:43:19 706270626F7C737E753D0 wrote:
For "in the home", there is the 12 gauge with 00 buckshot and deer slugs. Messy, but effective. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by HAPPYDAN on 04/19/17 at 16:09:17 Tons of fun, either one. +1 on the range. Too many laws/rules have come to pass because of irresponsible shooters - i.e., road signs, neighbors barn, portable toilets, mail boxes, street lights, trees, neighbors pets, rival gangs - you get the idea. If the dummies keep it up, then law makers will shut us down. That said, my by far favorite is a S&W stainless steel .22 revolver "Kit Gun". I've had it since the '70s. It is flawlessly accurate and reliable. But, the best part? It will handle shorts, longs and LRs just fine, any make. Get a big box of 500 on sale, and have a blast. Semi autos are attractive, but some can be incredibly jammamatic. No fun. And even with a good one, so much power is lost cycling the action. Whatever you decide, tho, don't go cheap. There is some real junk out there to be had at a bargain. 20 years from now you won't miss the money, and you'll still have a honey. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by FL Savage on 04/19/17 at 18:13:00 6F6C6E75727B717D721C0 wrote:
For a cheap 22lr pistol, I would look for a S&W 22A. They have been discontinued and replaced by the S&W 22 Victory. Dealers were discounting them to move them out but I think there are few left new. I bought a new one for $199 last year. If you want the HP22A, don't pay too much. Buds has them for $120 cash price, free shipping. You will need to find a FFL for the transfer. Cost for transfer is up to the FFL, most are in the $20-$40 range so shop around. The FFL I use charges $20 for a transfer, that includes a background check phone call that is required here in FL that most dealers charge $5 for. When you buy ammo for the first time, buy 1 box of as many brands/loads as you can. Some 22lr pistols will shoot anything, some are finicky and need a certain load to cycle. Don't buy a brick (500 rounds) of something the HP22A doesn't like. Most of all, practice gun safety. Each time you go to the range, read/review the range rules until they become natural, where you adhere to them without thinking. Buds Guns HP22ANB https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/2084_21_1101/products_id/411549361/PHOENIX+HP22+.22LR+NICKEL+BLACK+GRIP |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by MnSpring on 04/19/17 at 18:28:26 Explosive ammo. Explosive means the projectile, Explodes, on impact. Those, ‘Exploding’, on impact rounds, are regulated. (Ya won’t find them at mart-mart) There are/is, ammo. Where a Hollow Point projectile, ‘Expands very rapidly’. Depending on the design, of the hollow point. And some manufactures, fill the H.P. cavity with a powder, (Many kinds), and it compresses when hit, then as velocity falls, (in the target), it returns to it’s normal size, very rapidly. giving the illusion that it is, ‘exploding’. If someone made, true, ‘exploding rounds’, they would not be selling them to you, unless you had a, ‘class 3’, (think fully auto firearms). (Or they will get ‘free’, lodging, for 10+ years, at a government facility) Their are very, fragile bullets, that break apart, at the slightest resistance, (inside the target). The most famous one was the, ‘Glaser Safety Slug’. Which was a fragile, covering, with a gel and # 12 size pellets inside, which would NOT, penetrate sheet rock, but in a soft target all it energy would be dumped. The term, ‘Explosive’, is a marketing ploy. Yes, they do, make a, (what looks like), a explosion. But it is not. The sad part is, the, Anti-Gunners out their, will pick up on the term, ‘EXPLOSIVE’. And say: “See, See, See, I Told you So” !!!! You want, something to, ‘explode’, Get, exploding targets, or get some, ’Tannerite’. Don’t know of ANY, indoor range that will allow that, and Most, ‘Club’, outdoor ranges forbid it. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 04/19/17 at 18:50:15 Thanks again. A local Houston dealer has the HP22A for $115.00. He is not particularly close to where I live and that is why I am waiting until the weekend. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Ed L. on 04/19/17 at 18:54:22 Way back when it was still legal to shoot rats at the dump I would take one of the key chains made out of little metal balls, cut a ball off the chain and hold it in a .22 hollow point with some wax. What that load did to a rat was a sin. ;) I wouldn't think you would get much penetration on a large target but I bet it would really make a mess where it hit. Never underestimate a .22 LR. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by batman on 04/21/17 at 11:28:48 I don't own a pistolla,in New York it's a pain just to get the permit , and it's only legal in this state so why bother ,you can take a long gun anywhere.federal law states a long gun (shotgun or rifle) must be 29 inches long overall with barrel lengths of 18" -shotgun 16'' -rifle. If you buy an old shotgun and cut it down you can have a formidable weapon,that 's quite portable and 50 state legal.If you keep the loads light it's the best home defense weapon as it won't carry through walls and injure your loved ones.carried in a back pack with slugs and shot it makes a good survival gun even in bear country.There are companies that sell barrel inserts so you can convert to most pistol rounds if you so choose.( a 22lr insert could provide camp meat /and less weight in ammo to carry) |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by FL Savage on 04/23/17 at 15:23:49 There is an exception to a shotgun with less than a 29" overall and/or 18" barrel and the NFA $200 tax, 6-9 month wait. The Mossberg 590 Shockwave. It is 26" overall with a 14" barrel. Since is never had a shoulder stock installed, it is classified as a firearm, not a long gun or shotgun, so the 29"/18" NFA rule doesn't apply. 6 rounds of 12 ga that with the right technique can be fired one handed (but not recommended). springman, did you get the HP22A? http://https://www.mossberg.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/50659-catalog.jpg |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by badwolf on 04/23/17 at 16:50:05 I'm looking up the rules for a shotgun, and find the oal is 26'' not 29''. Are you sure? |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by batman on 04/23/17 at 17:33:37 IT's been a long while since I read the rules but I think it's 29'but it maybe 26 (not sure ) with not permit or special rules,but I am sure the barrel lengths are 16 rifle 18 shotgun I'm not sure if the inserts would be legal as they may not be full length(16')I prefer to cut down a wooden stock and use a good pad cut down,as this allows you to still shoulder the gun for a better aim.If you chose a rifle ,use or make a butt plate that's longer and a bi -pod on the fore stock ,to steady the gun for longer shots. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by FL Savage on 04/23/17 at 19:12:21 383A2937292B333A32295B0 wrote:
I think it is 26" OAL for a shotgun. The Mossberg Shockwave gets by with the 14" barrel because it's not classified as a shotgun. It's considered a firearm (not a long gun) so the shotgun rules don't apply. A shotgun with a barrel shorter than 18" would require the NFA process, $200 for the NFA transfer tax stamp and a 6 month plus wait for the paperwork. I bought one 2 weeks ago, my only shotgun, whoops, I mean firearm that shoots shot. I haven't shot it yet but I did see one at the gun range last month. 5+1 capacity, or more with Aguila mini shells. https://www.aguilaammo.com/shotshell/ |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 04/23/17 at 21:21:27 No, I did not get the gun this weekend. Dealer sells by appointment only and communicates by email only. He did not confirm our appointment and when I called the number it just said to send an email. The heck with him, I have found another local dealer that can get the gun for me (not in stock) for about $4.00 more than the first guy and the shop is closer to me. >:( |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by jcstokes on 04/23/17 at 21:57:05 Well Springman, at least this way, you can handle the gun and see if it seems to suit you. If he is local, the $4 extra is probably worth it. You guys sure love your freedom. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by batman on 04/24/17 at 09:51:55 Yes ,for $4.00 more ,"one in the hand is worth two in the bush" |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 04/24/17 at 10:53:06 I just placed the order for the gun and an extra magazine. Hope I can get it by Thursday cause I'll be out of town this weekend. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Dave on 04/24/17 at 11:47:30 7172706B6C656F636C020 wrote:
You expecting trouble? :-? Maybe you shouldn't go there.....better stay home! ;) |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 04/24/17 at 12:29:44 I'm expecting trouble if I don't go. My older son is moving into his own apartment and my wife volunteered our help and some of our furniture. Oh yes, fun it will be! You definitely guessed correctly if you figured out that this means she has to go buy new furniture for us. :( |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by whoisrawb on 04/25/17 at 20:19:58 Mine was a springfield XD9 mm...........solid gun |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 04/28/17 at 11:55:57 Finally got it. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by MMRanch on 04/28/17 at 23:18:30 Mine is Flawless with Remington Golder bullets or CCI mini Mags , not so much with Federal Lightings or Winchester Super X . But each one has its own preferances ... :) |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by jcstokes on 04/29/17 at 00:37:43 Hope you enjoy it. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Dave on 04/29/17 at 04:09:26 Don't need a gun......when you have a Donk! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDTDUPZrag [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDTDUPZrag[/media] |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/29/17 at 15:08:37 3E3D3F24232A202C234D0 wrote:
Excellent. Now become an expert with it. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 05/02/17 at 08:46:23 To become and expert I guess some ammo would help, wouldn't it? ;D Gimme a break, it's the next thing on the list!!! |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by MMRanch on 05/02/17 at 20:52:28 SpringMan Its only a one days ride to my house , I'll set ya up with some ammo when ya get here and Saturday we have a group ride I get to lead. Lots of back roads involved . :) let me know when ya can break away for a week and I'll set ya up with several boxes of ammo. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 05/03/17 at 09:04:44 Thanks MM. I still have not had time to purchase any ammo. Got home pretty late last night. I spent a bit of time familiarising myself with the gun and then just could not resist the urge. I set up 3 magazines back to back and emptied about 120 or so BB's and pellets into them. It'll have to do for now. ;D Left confetti all over the place. Need to vacuum tonight before wife sees mess. ;) |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by MMRanch on 05/03/17 at 20:29:58 I understand completely . :) I bought a 22 rimfire bullet trap to shoot pellets into ... in the outside room with the couch and TV. set-up. Lazy I guess - same purpose as magazines but less sweeping ;D . |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 05/04/17 at 10:09:39 MM, you said you have a Phoenix Arms PH22A also. What ammo does it prefer, or does it shoot all brands well? I have seen online that it does not like the CCI Velocitor. I am thinking of buying at least one of the following: Federal premium, Remington golden bullet, Blazer or Remington thunderbolt. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by MMRanch on 05/04/17 at 18:31:56 Remington golden bullet CCI Mini Mags CCI Velocitors (Hottest 40 gr load available) can't understand this not working ? Mine is picky . the ones that won't work in mine is : WW Super X Federal Lighting When the clip is full is when it "Sometimes" malfunctions with the Super X and Lightings. The Golden bullets always work. I'll bring mine to Lancers . :) |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 05/04/17 at 19:13:32 I stopped and picked up some ammo on the way home. I bought a Federal bulk pack and 50 rounds of Blazer. The Federal bulk pack of 525 rounds was only $22.99 and the CCI Blazer was $2.49 for 50 rounds. Maybe I'll get a chance to go to the range this weekend. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by MMRanch on 05/04/17 at 20:10:36 Give us a report on how they work ! :) |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by FL Savage on 05/04/17 at 22:19:53 Clean and re-oil before first outing, make sure barrel is clean and dry. There could be very fine unseeable grit from the mfg process that hinders the slide during recoil. It also doesn't hurt to dis-assemble the magazine, clean and debur any sharp edges. If you have FTF (fail to feed) with the first ammo you try, don't give up on it. Some guns need to be broken in. Switch to your other ammo and save some of the FTF ammo for next time, it may function fine once the gun is broken in. If you find and want to try CCI Stingers, check the owners manual first. It is not recommended in many semi auto .22s due to it having different dimensions (more OAL length). Most important, shoot safe and have fun. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by jcstokes on 05/04/17 at 23:41:34 If the golden bullets always work, get some of them. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by MMRanch on 05/05/17 at 08:26:50 If the golden bullets always work, get some of them. I found the 1400 round buckets on "Gun-Broker" and if ya get 4 at a time they ship free. ;) |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by wakosama on 05/09/17 at 16:46:11 Just FYI... Texas apparently won't let you qual. for a CHL with a .22 or a revolver. Gotta be an auto over .25, so I was told. :o |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 05/09/17 at 18:08:30 Hey Wakosama, nice to hear from you. How goes it? Are you telling me I have to buy another gun? Oh well, if I have to I have to. ;) |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Dave on 05/10/17 at 05:25:08 4553595D41535F53320 wrote:
It would be weird if you couldn't qualify with a revolver....I kinda' mentally associate most Texans as having a revolver strapped onto their hip. :-? I used a Smith and Wesson .357 revolver with a 6" barrel when I qualified in KY...and a lot of the folks brought big guns to shoot. The instructor commented that most of the guns were obviously not the guns folks would be carry concealed.....as they were just too big! (But they do make it easier to aim and hit the target). |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by wakosama on 05/10/17 at 13:18:57 I be Wrong again... Back then I was told it was qual with revolver, carry revolver; qual with auto carry anything. Has been changed to 'clarify' that qual with either is now good for to carry both. not learning to check before engaging mouth. :-[ |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by jcstokes on 05/10/17 at 23:43:37 What does CHL mean, is it it concealed holder licence or something? |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 05/11/17 at 10:27:53 I believe it is concealed handgun license. It is often referred to as concealed carry license. I do not have one of these, but I am considering obtaining one. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Dave on 05/11/17 at 10:39:40 So....have you shot the new gun yet? |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 05/11/17 at 11:41:16 I think you've guessed it Dave. Not yet. I believe I probably won't shoot it until in Oklahoma at Lancer's. Late last night I actually loaded and unloaded the magazines a couple of times. Seems the springs in the magazines are pretty stiff. I was only able to load 9 rounds in one and 8 in the other. If they do not loosen up a bit quickly I will have to buy a speed loader cause it left my thumbs tender from pushing the rounds in. Loading a 9mm clip is much easier. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by MMRanch on 05/11/17 at 17:07:04 CHL In TN. its a "Carry-Permit" , no concealed necessary. So , I'm guessing when I go to Texas I should , Conceal ? :-? |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by batman on 05/11/17 at 22:24:11 I may be wrong but if you go to Texas you better leave it home ,I believe permits are only good it the state of issue .If you cross into another state ,you could be arrested for carrying an unregistered weapon and it may well be taken from you. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Dave on 05/12/17 at 02:29:19 3536233A3639636F570 wrote:
If he packs it in his luggage, unloaded, bullets packed elsewhere....so that it is not easily accessible - I believe it is not a "concealed weapon" but a gun in transit. I used to shoot pistols in competition long before I had a permit - the gun and supplies were always locked in the trunk when I was traveling. And......today is "Bring your Shotgun to Work Day" here at my office. This is our annual Sporting Clays event. We get to go to a range and shoot our shotgun 60 times at targets that come flying out of the woods.....and make black and blue marks on our shoulder/arm! |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by springman on 05/12/17 at 06:25:27 Happy Shotgun day to you! |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by FL Savage on 05/12/17 at 06:43:54 4A495C4549461C10280 wrote:
It depends on what state a concealed carry permit is from. Many states that allow CWL, CWP, CCL, CCP, CHL, CHP, etc have reciprocity agreements with other states. My FL CWL is accepted in 36 other states. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by oldNslow on 05/12/17 at 06:45:33 Quite a few states do recognise and honor carry permits from other states. I don't know what the situation is regarding Texas and Tennessee, If you Google "concealed carry reciprocity" one of the links that pops up will have a map that shows whats what. I'm pretty sure that you don't need any kind of permit to simply possess the handgun when you go to Texas. You simply may not be able legally carry it concealed. I haven't looked at the map it for a long time though. My NY permit isn't good in many other states because NY does not extend any other state the same courtesy. In fact my NY permit isn't even valid in New York City. That Sh*t hole is a world all it's own. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by oldNslow on 05/12/17 at 06:53:00 https://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html If I'm reading this correctly, a resident Tennessee carry permit is good in Texas. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Dave on 05/12/17 at 07:03:51 Yes...but Springman does not have a permit yet - the caution from Batman was because Springman will be traveling with a gun in his luggage, and he is not a permit holder in any state. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by oldNslow on 05/12/17 at 07:19:34 I thought it was MMRanch that was asking about the permit. Anyway I'm pretty sure that there is no problem with Springman bringing his gun to Texas and going shooting where ever he going to do that. Unloaded, locked in a case in his duffle bag,saddlebag, whatever,to and from the range, is fine. He just can't load it up, stick it in his pocket, and tote it around when he's not shooting someplace that it's legal to do that. Public or private range, private property etc. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by Dave on 05/12/17 at 07:26:46 Yep...sorry - we got two discussions going on at the same time. Springman is going to be taking his new pistol (original subject of this thread) from TX to OK to shoot it for the first time. 2D2E2C373039333F305E0 wrote:
And then MMRanch brough up the question of him using his permit from TN to TX. 6C7E6C7E73606F6269210 wrote:
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by oldNslow on 05/12/17 at 08:30:42 Texas to Oklahoma,not Tennessee to Texas. I even had the states mixed up. Good thing no one's paying me for legal advice :P |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by MMRanch on 05/12/17 at 14:12:04 I'm sure there are only a few states my Tn. permit is not good in (NY , Ill. , a few other "Blue states" , but the question is ... : Concealed or open ? I usually go concealed just to be on the safe side ... ::) |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by batman on 05/12/17 at 16:18:33 I don't own a pistol so don't really study the laws concerning there use ,but if I did ,I surely be checking on interstate transporting,and there use on lands , other than private, in a different state. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by NHLS650 on 05/23/17 at 04:19:07 From the NRA/ILA page: FEDERAL LAW ON TRANSPORTATION OF FIREARMS A provision of the federal law known as the Firearms Owners’ Protection Act, or FOPA, protects those who are transporting firearms for lawful purposes from local restrictions which would otherwise prohibit passage. Under FOPA, notwithstanding any state or local law, a person is entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he or she may lawfully possess and carry it, if the firearm is unloaded and locked out of reach. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm must be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. Ammunition that is either locked out of reach in the trunk or in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console is also covered. Travelers should be aware that some state and local governments treat this federal provision as an “affirmative defense” that may only be raised after an arrest. All travelers in areas with restrictive laws would be well advised to have copies of any applicable firearm licenses or permits, as well as copies or printouts from the relevant jurisdictions’ official publications or websites documenting pertinent provisions of law (including FOPA itself) or reciprocity information. In the event of an unexpected or extended delay, travelers should make every effort not to handle any luggage containing firearms unnecessarily and to secure it in a location where they do not have ready access to it. |
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Title: Re: My first handgun Post by NHLS650 on 05/23/17 at 04:23:17 0600041B7E7D78480 wrote:
Until this year, the State of NH required a permit for concealed carry. Now they do not. I carry everyday. Walther p99as, 9mm, appendix carry. |
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