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Message started by Tpot on 04/10/17 at 10:12:47

Title: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restart
Post by Tpot on 04/10/17 at 10:12:47

I was riding my 95 savage and all of a sudden the bike just shut off. I thought maybe I had ran out of gas so I turned it to reserve and it started back up but after about five miles it stranded me on the side of the road. I had someone bring me some fuel and I put about 1.5 gallons in the tank and it wouldn't start unless I had full throttle on and then it would only lug and as soon as I put it in gear and feather the clutch out it would die. I believe I am running really rich because I was trying to tune the air mixture and I stripped the screw at about 3 turns out. Any suggestions on what I should do?

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Tpot on 04/10/17 at 10:14:40

Also to get it home I had to pull the air filter just so it would stay running

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Serowbot on 04/10/17 at 10:38:27

First thing to check is the safety cut-outs...
Jumper the connections... Clutch at the handlebar and neutral safety under the seat...

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Dave on 04/10/17 at 10:59:47

Did you try switching the petcock to PRI....and removing the vacuum line on the petcock?  If there is fuel in the vacuum tube - the diaphragm in the petcock has gone bad.

Test your petcock!
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Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/10/17 at 11:41:17

You may have fouled the spark plug.

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Tpot on 04/10/17 at 12:29:31

I have the raptor petcock and its nothing with the safety features

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by verslagen1 on 04/10/17 at 12:58:17

You're gonna have to check the carb.
make sure there's a washer under the main jet.
also check the slider for free movement, it doesn't take much to cause it to hang up... only takes a fingerprint.

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Tpot on 04/10/17 at 13:08:59

Any advice for jetting to compensate for the air mix screw?

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/10/17 at 14:00:56

You are chasing problems without any understanding of the route cause.

Have you confirmed adequate spark?
Is the ECM functioning properly?
Is there adequate fuel flow?

You seem to be turning knows and adjusting things without any background to the actual problem. This will take you further away from solving the problem as you may have to undo everything you've done.

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Tpot on 04/10/17 at 14:12:39

The fuel flow is fine. I will be checking spark tonight when I get home and I know its running rich due to the fact that it won't run while the air filter is in. I haven't done anything yet just getting the opinions of other experienced people before I try and figure it out

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by ohiomoto on 04/10/17 at 19:30:53

Is your plug wet fouled or carbon fouled?  Sounds like your float needle is stuck open and it's causing a flooded condition.  Check your float bowl for dirt and debris and clean the needle and seat.

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Tpot on 04/11/17 at 00:58:17

The plug was definitely carbon fouled. I put a new plug in and got it to run for a few seconds and that plug was carbon covered. I am gonna check the carb tomorrow when I can and let you know how the carb is

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by ohiomoto on 04/11/17 at 06:03:40

In my (mostly two stroke) excessive carbon is related to oil consumption more than fuel and wet fouled plugs are fuel related.  Your looking for something that could have changed suddenly, like a sticking float or maybe a ring cracked allowing more oil to blow by all the sudden.  

I would rule out the fuel issue first.  You may want to drain the oil as well and make sure it's not filled with gas.

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by batman on 04/11/17 at 09:41:58

You might want to check the float in the carb for a hole .

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Tpot on 04/11/17 at 09:55:34

I'm not positive if this is the cause but when I took the float bowl off the pilot just was sitting in the bottom

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by youzguyz on 04/11/17 at 10:18:29


022437203F25263922223324560 wrote:
I'm not positive if this is the cause but when I took the float bowl off the pilot just was sitting in the bottom


yessssss... that could cause some.. issues   ::)

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Tpot on 04/11/17 at 10:20:19

I got it back in and now it runs great. Any thing I can do to prevent that from happening?

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Dave on 04/11/17 at 10:46:44


416774637C66657A61617067150 wrote:
I'm not positive if this is the cause but when I took the float bowl off the pilot just was sitting in the bottom


Yep......betcha that would make the fuel/air mixture a tad too wet!

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/11/17 at 11:21:31


537566716E74776873736275070 wrote:
I got it back in and now it runs great. Any thing I can do to prevent that from happening?


That's a one in a million failure. I wouldn't suggest loctite or anything like that, the brass used for the jets is soft and easily deformed.

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by Tpot on 04/11/17 at 11:23:16

Alright well at least it was something simple

Title: Re: Bike just died while riding and wouldnt restar
Post by ohiomoto on 04/11/17 at 12:06:25


496F7C6B746E6D726969786F1D0 wrote:
I'm not positive if this is the cause but when I took the float bowl off the pilot just was sitting in the bottom
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And that would have been "sudden"!  Good job finding that and THANK YOU for finding the problem, fixing it and reporting back.  You just saved us 6 weeks and 8 pages of guessing what the problem was!  ;)

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