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Message started by savageguy1 on 04/08/17 at 16:20:27

Title: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/08/17 at 16:20:27

I tried starting my bike(with new battery) and I hear a click from the solenoid and a click from the starter. But when I hold the button down I hear a high pitched squeal and see fumes go from my positive solenoid lead. I have no Idea what to do, I did what the manual says to check the solenoid and it was fine, I checked the starter also and it was fine, I have no idea where to begin to look for the problem. please help

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/08/17 at 16:21:29

Check out the battery.

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/08/17 at 16:23:33

the battery was fine

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/08/17 at 16:27:22

Have you taken anything off? Starter?
I'd probably jump straight to the starter. Get cables, ground somewhere and clip on the hot wire on the starter.
If it's not stabilized, it could roll.
Be in neutral, car not running.

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by SALB on 04/08/17 at 16:30:57

Were you doing any other work just prior that could cause the engine/tranny to lock up?

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/08/17 at 16:38:51

I can push the bike around( with difficulty) in all gearsis there a certain current spec for the switch? because I have in handlebar switches

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/08/17 at 16:45:43

Have you done anything using tools just before the problem started?

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by verslagen1 on 04/08/17 at 17:14:55

31202F25202633283132410 wrote:

1. you checked the bat and it had 12 something volts?
and you pushed the starter button and it still read 12 something volts?
2. you checked the starter and it was there with a wire hooked up to it?
or you hooked an ohm meter to it and it read a couple of ohms?
or you pulled it out and hooked a battery to it and it went whir?

You got any teeth left or should I go on?

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/09/17 at 05:47:42

I have not tried with the starter out of my bike , but I did pull it out and use and ohm meter on it and it read between 2-6 oohms

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/09/17 at 05:48:36

also when I hold the button down after the click the positive on the solenoid gets hot and fumes a little

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/09/17 at 06:00:50

and I do have teeth left

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/09/17 at 06:17:04

Doing some research apparently what I have been calling the solenoid is actually the starter relay.

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/09/17 at 06:31:52

As a general rule, when things start making smoke, I stop pushing buttons.

If your starter solenoid wasn't fried, it probably is now.

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/09/17 at 06:51:14

I did stop, This is kinda what happens to me except I get only one click

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH0FAKBM01Q

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by verslagen1 on 04/09/17 at 09:46:11

Have you had the stator cover off?

If not, then we need to check the decomp and the starter.
The 1st click is the decomp, the second is the relay.
get yourself in a position where you can push the button and see the decomp arm on the head.
Might be hard if you still have the chrome covers.
You can operate this lever by hand and will go easy until it hits the rocker, then it gets real hard.
Do this once to see how far it has to go to hit the rocker and remember it has to go farther when you push the button.

It only goes for a half second so, don't blink. OK, give it a shot.

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/09/17 at 10:05:25

I have had the stator cover off, it was leaking so I replaced the gasket and to be honest it hasn't ran since. I just took the starter motor off and it turned outside of the engine, but my motor is not looked .So does this mean my starter is bad?

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/09/17 at 10:41:05

Ok so I did what verslagan said and the starter motor sounded like it gave a hard jerk but would turn after I did that. all I could hear was the decomp controller solenoid clicking

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/09/17 at 11:44:44

I believe when the stator cover was off I messed up on the location of this washer.

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/09/17 at 11:45:32

Would that cause the starter to not turn within the motor?

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by verslagen1 on 04/09/17 at 11:45:59

2E3F303A3F392C372E2D5E0 wrote:

I have had the stator cover off, it was leaking so I replaced the gasket and to be honest it hasn't ran since.

Bingo, finally I have the right tooth.

You have made a common error.

http://www.savageriders.com/verslagen/Starter%20Clutch%20Upgrade/washer-location.jpg

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/09/17 at 12:30:33

Thanks Versy!

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/09/17 at 14:39:06

233C3A3D20271626162E3C307B490 wrote:

Have you taken anything off?
Had you answered that question, your answer would have been shortly after that.

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by savageguy1 on 04/09/17 at 15:53:47

I am now just waiting for gaskets to come in so I can drain the oil and fix it.

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by verslagen1 on 04/09/17 at 16:08:58

you might be able to save the gasket if you're careful.
and you can save the oil if you want.
tip the bike over and rest it on a jackstand by the seat.
then you can remove the cover w/out dumping the oil.
makes it easy to remove the side stand too.

when it comes to popping the cover, just move it out about an 1/8".
then look around the gasket for where it may have gone from sticking to case to cover.
in those areas you got to pop it loose.
I use a pick or a little screwdriver, sometimes a knife. whatever works.

If it hasn't been on for very long, should come right off.

Title: Re: Bad soleniod?
Post by buster6315 on 04/09/17 at 21:22:11

646E6A606B62666F313733030 wrote:

As a general rule, when things start making smoke, I stop pushing buttons.

If your starter solenoid wasn't fried, it probably is now.

I like that!