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Title: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by WebsterMark on 04/07/17 at 15:16:20 One thing I found out working for Swedes, when they uncork that temper they keep bottled down, they really make up for lost ground. Let's see if they have more fortitude than the French when they get whacked. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by Serowbot on 04/07/17 at 16:48:33 I'm sure they will have equal fortitude to the French,.. and they will punish the guilty and not the innocent. Why does your definition of fortitude require painting all with one brush?... |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/07/17 at 21:05:05 I have Egzaclee One Hundred boxes out of a total run of a thousand. Each box contains food and supplies for two days, or ehh, maybe a bomb, ehh? So far, it seems that about three percent are the big problem, so, about three percent explode So, they are free,the stipulations are, the boxes have to be in your house and you have to live there , no vacation for you right now.. So, how many do you want stacked in your house? Gee whiz, it Might be okay,, but boy,, when things go wrong, they go really wrong. I understand that the people who don't understand OUR Role in creating the problem don't understand the magnitude of it either. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by WebsterMark on 04/08/17 at 05:38:09 After one of the French attacks (hard to keep track of them) the French President talked real tough but essentially did nothing. My brush is just the right size when it comes to the Religion of Peace. When there's a bombing or the more recent truck attacks, grab that big Islam brush and take a swipe; odds are pretty good you got it right. They are killers. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by raydawg on 04/08/17 at 09:28:23 4751465B43565B40340 wrote:
Let me ask you the same question re: believers.... You find them ALL receiptants of a what, a sad weakness, below your own proclaimed self awareness of the workings of this world.... Is that a broad brush dipped into contempt you paint with? |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by Serowbot on 04/08/17 at 10:35:49 Dawg, if you don't like my contempt, you really shouldn't egg me on... In doing so, I must assume you enjoy it... You may believe your enlightenment to make you superior,... but keep in mind that it is 99% the result of where you are from and who you know. Had you been born in the Middle East, chances are 99% you would be Muslim, and equally devout... This is no coincidence... Religious beliefs are cultural... The God that speaks to you, is a white, middle class, American God... I don't expect any real God would define himself the way. Is the image of Jesus depicted in your church, blond haired and blue eyed?... ... or does he look more like Osama Bib Laden?... He was an Arabic Jew... if he was a real person. He is the one you would look at suspiciously at the airport. He's the one you'd want to deport. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by raydawg on 04/08/17 at 11:19:20 4355425F47525F44300 wrote:
Egg you on????? You mean to differ and engage based sharing of dialogue within puts me in bad form, gee.... You need a safe zone ;D Sorry, I couldn't resist, my bad..... ;) I would agree with you assessment to a degree, however it seems you paint all beliefs as a less superior mindset than what you give to yourself.... As to your more specific point about location being a major factor in "choosing" a belief, isn't that true of pert near everything.... Do you go to FOX to learn, or MSNBC, Texas, or New York? I feel this enflunce is extended to everyone, everyday, not just to religious folk.... Oh, and BTW, Jesus was born in that region you referenced and his teachings spread from there, it wasn't American made as you seem to allude. And again, you paint all folk with one claim, of those who want vetting, as anti sumtin, why? You yourself afford your "stereo typing" of Christians as white angry males it seems, blaming them for all the intolerance in this world, it appears. PS: if you reply, perhaps you need to do the colored text/answer thingy ;D PSS: YES.... I like being challenged on my beliefs, so please, give me your best shot :) |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/08/17 at 12:18:59 1204130E16030E15610 wrote:
Your best post that I can remember. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by Serowbot on 04/08/17 at 13:10:55 6C7375726F6859695961737F34060 wrote:
Think I'll quit while I'm ahead... ;D :-X |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by raydawg on 04/08/17 at 15:27:30 6C7A6D70687D706B1F0 wrote:
Think I'll quit while I'm ahead... ;D :-X [/quote] You bailing out? |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by pg on 04/08/17 at 15:27:57 7C6365627F7849794971636F24160 wrote:
I beg to differ. He deflected the question poised by Raydawg and in the process very eloquently revealed his prejudice & intolerance for someone holding a different opinion them himself. Raydawg inquired about believers as in a belief in a divine entity and he yet again went on the offense on Christians. Why no negative comments about Allah, or any other religions? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/08/17 at 15:36:06 I wasn't critiquing it for being an actual answer to a direct question. It was the fact that he gave a full response. More than a sound bite. Actually expressed thoughts. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by pg on 04/08/17 at 15:58:10 The left prides itself on being ethically superior to people who do not share their views. I dare say, "own it, own your bigotry." Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by Serowbot on 04/08/17 at 17:28:23 445355595646340 wrote:
You got it... 8-) Will you own yours?... |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by raydawg on 04/08/17 at 18:09:15 7167706D75606D76020 wrote:
You got it... 8-) Will you own yours?...[/quote] Bot, in all sincerity I ask, why do you answer a question with a question? No kidding, it reminds me of grade school when we use to answer a taunt with, " I know you are, but what am I?" I said I have no qualms about others asking me questions about my faith, fact is, I said I appreciate it for it makes me look at my faith with more scrunity ..... However to remark Jesus is like Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy shows your prejudice and lack of a meritable argument. Do you believe the man called Jesus was crucified on a cross? |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by Serowbot on 04/08/17 at 18:38:34 Firstly,.. he said I should own it,.. and I replied "You got it"... That's answering in the affirmative. I will own that. Now, will he own his bigotry?... I'm not sure if Jesus was a real person or not. No one is... but, I'm pretty sure he wasn't... The books about him were written 50 to 200 years after he was supposed to have died by people that never met him. Of the several hundred books written, they were selectively edited down by people with sympathies to the Roman agenda... I believe, with the intention of incorporating the Christian mythology into Rome, with the Vatican as it's arbiter. Can you imagine a better incentive to manipulate a story to suit an agenda?... As best I can understand,.. "Jesus" is a compilation of tales and events, of many prophets... Look at the parallels to the Hindu, Mithra... Born 1500 years before Jesus... :-? Quote:
The story is undeniably, second hand... Christians actually worship, Mithra... a Hindu God... |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by MnSpring on 04/08/17 at 19:05:05 " ...Religious beliefs are cultural… " Yep ! (Mostly) Grade School, Mass EVERY MORNING, HAD TO GO ! High School, (Catholic Boarding School) MASS, Every Morning. Did NOT, have to go, (but if you did, or not), it WAS kept track of! Every week, was a, ‘retreat’, You did NOT talk, you just Listened, and, ‘prayed’. It was, ‘Volunteer’, (each week) Each, 6-8 Weeks, (Those who were recorded as, NOT, attending Mass, Every DAY) Were, REQUIRED, to do a, ‘Retreat’. (As everyone remembers, in H.S., their were groups of students, which had subsets of groups, which had subsets of groups, etc.) And probably more in a environment, where they were all living together, 24/7. Needless to say, the, ‘Forced’ group, of students, to the, forced, ‘retreat’, were all mostly the same, in their ideas. Two of the BEST, comments (during retreat, when a student was allowed to talk) “ Father, why, are only Catholics, going to Heaven when they die. Are all Protestants, Methodists, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, etc., going to HELL, because they are Not, Catholic?” Answer was basally: ’Sit Down and Shut Up” Another question was posed, when the, ‘Father’, was stating how, “EVERY CATHOLIC, should GIVE, 10% of their Earnings to the, Catholic Church. Because ALL Catholics, need to Sacrifice, for the Catholic Religion.” And the question was: “Father, why do you drive a new Lincoln Continental, to do your retreats, why do you not drive a VW Beetle?” Again, Answer was basally: ’Sit Down and Shut Up” So their is the base of, ‘learning’, how things go. Religions, ANY, No Problem. BIG PROBLEM, With the ONE, which says: I KILL YOU, if you do not believe. I KILL YOU, if you believe differently. I KILL, ALL, people that have different sexual preferences. I KILL ALL, Women, who does not do EXACTLY as I SAY. Gee, there was a a TROLL, who said, Basically, “… as long as that religion does no harm…” Interesting, some people here, WANT, the, “I KILL YOU ….” ’S Living Next Door to them. Why ??????? Is it because, Chicken Noodle News, said so. ? Is it because, it is just the opposite. ? Is it because they can not, SEE, what is happening. ? Which is it ?? Don’t Know. DO KNOW, The, “I KILL YOU’s”, will NOT, be living next to me. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by raydawg on 04/08/17 at 20:08:35 Not sure if you believe the text of what you listed, or how you confirm something that predates what you find skeptical, looks contradictory to me. Seems the odds would surely favor the reavealing hoax, after all these years of scrunity, re: Jesus. As science improves, it appears it's able to substantiate some historical revelance to archaeological discoveries, and we aren't even talking about the odds to the prophecy that have transpired. I don't need "proof" however, to justify my belief, as I honestly believe it can not be measured in terms of evidence, but goes to a much deeper part of me than I can describe. You shared yesterday you thought it sad folks need to believe in a fairytale.... I find it sad that I can't help you see what I do, but too, I think that is what defines faith. I appreciate you taking the time to share, I really do.... I hope your choices in life provides you with whatever it is you believe. :) |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by WebsterMark on 04/09/17 at 05:02:01 50+ people get gassed and photos of their grotesque dead bodies flood the internet, nightly news and even UN ambassador held them up for everyone to see. "We gotta do something" is the response. Pictures of the bodies riped to pieces by Islamic Terrorist running over people with a truck are censored, too graphic. Church in Egypt attacked this morning, 26 more victims of the relgion of peace but again, too graphic. Politically correct snowflakes afraid a little reality might wake up that frog that's slowly getting boiled. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by WebsterMark on 04/09/17 at 05:16:57 4E584F524A5F52493D0 wrote:
How do you know this? You read indirect writings pased down for generations which were originally verbally passed down for thousands of years right? How do you know when Mithra's story was written, it wasn't changed to match the story of a man nam d Jesus of Nazareth? There's no significant original written record from 1500 BC. And, I don't have time to read up on yhis right now, but I thought Mithra was more along the lines of one of the Roman Gods. I don't recall anyone claiming this was a human being who walked the earth. Also, there's no real doubt Jesus of Nazareth existed as a person from antiquity. There's non-biblical evidence to support this. If you doubt his existence, you would have to doubt the existence of every historical figure from antiquity. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by pg on 04/09/17 at 05:54:12 3E283F223A2F22394D0 wrote:
You got it... 8-) Will you own yours?...[/quote] There are principles & beliefs in various parts of society which I find unacceptable. I am comfortable with that fact and make no apologies. I have always maintained it is imperative remain objective. Primarily, I do not believe in altruism or collectivism in any capacity. The primary issue is the left prides itself on being tolerant as long as those beliefs do not differ from their opinions. I cannot comprehend why the left preaches we must be accepting of everyone; however, yet people who believe in Christianity are intolerable. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by Serowbot on 04/09/17 at 08:38:12 There is no historical evidence that Jesus ever existed. If you believe you have some,.. show it. Mithra was a Hindu story, originating in Persia, now Iran/Iraq.. Romans adopted many gods from other cultures, including Mithra and Jesus... Whatever would pacify the populace... I understand that you have to find plausible deniability in order to maintain a belief,.. but retroactive plagiarism is not possible. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/09/17 at 14:53:17 6B595E4F48594E715D4E573C0 wrote:
Remember, the same intelligence agencies created the lies they spread through the media in order to gin up outrage at the Enemy in Nam and Iraq. We don't really know WHO did it. We also don't know what exactly was used. IF that was a True State Sponsored event WHY weren't the rescuers dressed in hazmat gear? |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by WebsterMark on 04/09/17 at 16:13:55 7462756870656873070 wrote:
There is no direct evidence anyone from 2000 years ago lived other than written records. Are you under the impression that the Gospels and letters are somehow not reliable written accounts? |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by thumperclone on 04/09/17 at 16:30:36 gospel: the written or teaching of a religious leader ALL RELIGONS HAVE BEEN BASTARDIZED by man in one form or another to exert control over the masses 1 example Christ was born in the spring not the winter why did "the church" BASTARDIZE the date? |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/09/17 at 16:41:06 People are free to believe as they choose. I know what I know and I know why. Jesus was the Son of God, incarnate. You can believe or not. I'm not gonna even try to convince anyone. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets SwedenQ Post by raydawg on 04/09/17 at 17:44:57 5F435E465B4E59484744454E2B0 wrote:
Absolutely organized religion is often a racket.... And man since the beginning started putting his spin on it to empower themselves. But that is man, not Jesus. Fact is he lost his cool with religious leaders, but not tax collectors, go figger ;D |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by WebsterMark on 04/09/17 at 19:02:17 They choose Dec 25 to piggyback on an existing celebration. It was a technique to draw more converts because it forced a decision between religions. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by thumperclone on 04/09/17 at 23:13:07 they who ??? |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by pg on 04/10/17 at 04:23:06 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4393590/Police-officers-Stockholm-attacked-STONES.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by WebsterMark on 04/10/17 at 05:07:47 415D405845504756595A5B50350 wrote:
From what I've read, some small group around 300 CE started it. I didn't know this before, but January 6th was used also. It really doesn't matter that much. It's nit like there were birth certificates! There wasn't even a worldwide agreed upon calendar. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by WebsterMark on 04/10/17 at 05:19:06 5E485F425A4F42592D0 wrote:
aw.....retroactive plagiarism IS a historical constant. The lives of historical figures from antiquity are constantly being reimagined. You're the one letting your prejudice block logic. You sound like you believe a bunch of good writers got together 2000 years ago and conspired to write a fictional story about a man they named Jesus. Manuscripts and letters go back, as you said, to 300 CE. These are from different writers spread out over a fairly large geographical region. Other historical figures with the same basic source of information behind them are assumed to be real. Why would you assume this guy to be any different? |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by WebsterMark on 04/10/17 at 05:33:27 What you can do however is to say this man Jesus was a con-man. Like a ancient day Jim Jones, he conned large numbers of people into believing him, faked his death etc.. Later, dozens of those people wrote letters about him which later became the new testament. By luck, even older manuscripts were found (some of what we call the old testament today) that predicted events close enough to what the new testament writers fabricated that it even furthers cemented his legacy. If you want to make that argument, that makes sense. That's the argument you should be making. But the argument Jesus of Nazareth was never a human being would mean you must deny the existence of hundreds of historical figures with equal or even less indirect evidence they lived. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by MShipley on 04/10/17 at 06:55:23 http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/04/09/dozens-of-christians-killed-in-palm-sunday-bombings-in-egypt-now-isis-has-released-a-statement/ |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by MShipley on 04/10/17 at 07:54:14 For BOT, http://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by T And T Garage on 04/10/17 at 09:36:39 69774C4D5448415D240 wrote:
Thank you Probe Ministries....... lol No bias there at all... nope. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by MShipley on 04/10/17 at 09:43:57 Sorry about that "T" I forgot that only left wing atheist have unbiased information. It would never be that atheist writers or articles would like maybe "not report on such historical writings" |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by T And T Garage on 04/10/17 at 09:54:17 0F112A2B322E273B420 wrote:
It's no different than one of us "lefties" posting something from an atheist website. Just sayin'. Again, I'm not a non-believer, I'm agnostic. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by Serowbot on 04/10/17 at 10:34:40 4C526968716D6478010 wrote:
All these are references to the man Christians worship,... not the man himself... ..and all were written well after Jesus supposed death... None of them could possibly have known the man himself, only the legend. Many gods can be evidenced through legend... All of them, in fact.... Look who Josephus worked for... Rome,.. so much so that he was adopted by the Flavius family... They selectively compiled and edited the Jesus story to suit the needs of Rome. The Jesus story, chronologically mirrors the activities of Titus Flavius,... and there are Roman monuments that refer to Titus as the" Son of God"... Watch... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS0WSEuousE |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by verslagen1 on 04/10/17 at 10:56:34 I'm not a bible scholar, but wiki says... Quote:
I have the understanding that at least a few of the books were written by the apostles who knew Jesus directly. |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by WebsterMark on 04/10/17 at 11:31:18 3224332E36232E35410 wrote:
All these are references to the man Christians worship,... not the man himself... ..and all were written well after Jesus supposed death... None of them could possibly have known the man himself, only the legend. Many gods can be evidenced through legend... All of them, in fact.... Look who Josephus worked for... Rome,.. so much so that he was adopted by the Flavius family... They selectively compiled and edited the Jesus story to suit the needs of Rome. The Jesus story, chronologically mirrors the activities of Titus Flavius,... and there are Roman monuments that refer to Titus as the" Son of God"... Watch... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HS0WSEuousE[/quote] You sound like Jog talking about The Pentagon now.....conspiracies to keep the masses at bay. So no writings from more than a couple hundred years can be trusted?... But you trust what you read about Josephus working for Rome? And you extrapolate that into assuming he wrote lies? You say these were lies written to suit Rome's purposes and you base that on.....what? Things you read that others wrote who have just as much of an agenda as you do. Below is some interesting information. But let's face it, none of us are historians much less ancient manuscripts historians. There's only so much we can determine because everyone has an agenda. I have as much reason to doubt what Sew finds to link as he has to doubt what I pasted below. All we can do is read through it and make our best judgement unless we happen to be experts in that field. (now, if you want to talk about indoor air quality in North American food processing facilities, I'm your guy) The Number of New Testament Manuscripts Compared with Other Ancient Books In terms of quantity, the New Testament is represented far more than any other piece of ancient literature. Consider the known manuscripts of four well known Greek and Roman works: Homer was the earliest and most popular author of the ancient Greek world. His book, The Illiad, dates to 750 BC. To date, 647 manuscripts of this book have been found. Only 190 contain a complete copy. When compared to other classical Greek writing, Homer’s work is an exception. Copies of his work are much more plentiful than other ancient books. For example, Caesar’s Gallic War, dates to 50 BC. Only 9-10 manuscripts exist with the earliest copy dating to 900 AD. Thucydides’ Peloponnesian War dates to 450 BC. Eight manuscripts have been found with the earliest copy dating to 900 AD. (There are some fragments of this book that date to the time of Jesus.) Finally, Tacitus’ Histories was written in 100 AD. Only two manuscripts are available. One dates to 800 AD, the other to 1000 AD. In light of this, the number of ancient writings containing the New Testament is staggering. To date, over 5800 Greek New Testament fragments have been found (Taylor, 2012). Over 10,000 Latin New Testament manuscripts dating from the 2nd to 16th century have been located. The earliest are in fragments that cover a substantial amount of the New Testament. Some manuscripts have also been found in a number of other languages, including Coptic, Syriac, Gothic, and Arabic. Taking all languages together, over 25,000 handwritten copies of the New Testament have been recovered. But there is more. Almost the entire New Testament could be reproduced by quotes from the ancient church fathers. “So extensive are these citations that if all other sources for our knowledge of the text of the New Testament were destroyed, they would be sufficient alone for the reconstruction of practically the entire New Testament” (Metzger & Ehrman, 2005). |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by MnSpring on 04/10/17 at 14:53:01 7563746971646972060 wrote:
"You-Boob", is STILL, 'YOU-BOOB" Regardless of how, 'polished' a presentation is. Remember, Anybody, that is ANYBODY, Can post, Anything, that is ANYTHING. On the 'you-boob-tub' ! One could produce that same slanted, 'boob-tub' video. And from the same POV, just substitute, 'Muslim", for Christianity. AND, Exactly where are, Today's, Christians, or ANY other 'religion', (Except ONE), Saying/Doing: "I KILL YOU IF YOU . . . . . . . . " |
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Title: Re: Religion of Peace targets Sweden Post by MnSpring on 04/10/17 at 17:29:24 Jesus Real ? Religion of, ‘peace’ ? Well, their, was a human on this earth called Jesus. It is documented in many places, as to his travels with his uncle, ( today a, ’teenager’), then, a, ‘young adult’. (Mostly for Lead Mining, in what is now the UK) Was his Mother a, ‘Virgin” ? (Remember when a, Nike missile base, was in a local small town, Bunch of 18-20 year old soldiers in town. A 17 year old girl, got, Pregnant, from, ’Swimming in a public pool’.) Were other things he did, ’Spun’, (Like today), or did they change with interpretation over the years? Really does not matter, (Unless you are, ’selling’, another religion), because the believers, ‘believe’. Were not ALL, Other religions, dealt with the same way ? (Well except one that says: ‘I KILL YOU . . . . . . “) Things DO, change, as we learn more. Earth Flat, Sun revolves around the Earth, Penicillin. etc. etc. etc. Some still follow, ‘old’ ways. Like a, ‘wise’ person, who used to determine a certain animal, ‘clean’, because he blessed/killed it. Many people still only eat, ‘Kosher’, meat. Even knowing that, any, (approved meat) is safe. It is the belief they follow. And, Tomorrow, (can’t do it yet, only visualize it), someone will hold a, real Tesseract, in their hand. So, just perhaps, when most people said: “The Earth is Flat”. And a Few said: “Biased on this and that, I think it is Round”. Then most said: “The Sun goes around the Earth” And a Few said: “Biased on this and that, I think the Earth revolves around the Sun”. Today, some say: “Religion of Peace”. And others say: “Biased on this and that, I think you are wrong”. Please name, ONE, other, ‘belief’, that, TODAY, says: “I KILL YOU . . . . . " |
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