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Title: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/09/17 at 11:43:13 totally new to the forum , but long time rider . I picked up a 1986 savage for $600 bucks about 8 months ago . i have always liked Suzuki's owned a few in the past mostly 850 or bigger . I only picked up the savage to fix up and flip . I have since but about 10,000 mile on top of the original 6638 I got it with. I really like this thing and have bought another 99 savage Im currently putting back together to possibly hard tail or mono shock . Anyway point being I really want to take one of these bikes with my buddies across the country and back coming up this may 17th 2017. Is this crazy ? does anyone see any issues the rest of the 5 guys going are all ridding 650 cc bikes or less with one exception a Honda shadow 1300 . They are all riding import bikes too . I have been riding this thing pretty much every day rain or shine and its only had minor issues . I have a pod filter and open exhaust with a single lollipop style baffle {I know I know not supposed to do that } but I love the look} currently in the process of the raptor petcock switch on both bikes . plus a few others . also im very interested in ordering the modified cam chain adjusters for both bikes asap as I plan to take the best running of the 2 on the trip . Again as I ramble on trying to post way to much info .... Im looking for advice on a few things such as best power to fuel consuption set ups. any tips for high mileage runs on these things. I ride daily but my commute is mostly short .I have been on a few 100 and 200 mile trips with it and have a few more planned before the big cross country in may . Ii know I forgot something but that is about all I can think of for now thanks ahead of time for tips and suggestions . |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by hotrod on 03/09/17 at 12:27:30 First thing I would do is convert to chain drive to change the gearing. The next would be a saddle mod or gel pad to sit on. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/09/17 at 12:48:09 What size sprockets would you suggest . ive had no major issues with the belt have considered the chain mod but not sure what sizes to use . i have the sprockets off an old suzuki gn400 I know they will bolt on I believe they are 16 front 37 rear but i believe i can order up to 52 rear sprocket . and i found a detailed description of how to do it here in a few places.. seat mod is coming this week along with hopefully some seat quick pull pins thanks |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by batman on 03/09/17 at 18:23:47 DK,You should look in the Technical section,-Rear suspension-chain conversion to help you decide on what you need. the stock ratio with the belt (68 teeth/23teeth) is 2.965, your gears 37/16 give a ratio of 2.312 ,which is way high. 45/16 is 2.810 not much better than stock,but 43/16 is 2.690 about right,for a motor close to stock. the lowest most bikes get is in the 2.5XX area and most of these have high compression pistons and after market cams. the 43/16 would give you about a 10% decrease in RPM's and a10% increase in fuel mileage.If you want to stay with the belt you could look into the Kawasaki front pulley conversion,which would give you about a 9% difference. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Armen on 03/09/17 at 19:32:17 Kawi Vulcan 500 front pulley. Keep the belt. Up the gearing. Not rocket surgery. I think Dave is cutting some up as we speak. -Armen |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by jcstokes on 03/10/17 at 00:46:52 You only have a 120 mile comfortable fuel range, you should start praying if you go over 130 miles. If you are going to do anything mechanical, check the chain tensioner before modifying pulleys and so on. Americans say the S40 isn't all that fond of super slab, oil consumption rises if you are over 75 mph for long periods. The stock seat isn't that comfortable, as others have pointed out. If you can, have soft back pack on the passenger seat. This can make a backrest. Cross winds will push you around. If you decide on pulley mods, allow yourself plenty of time to do this work as eight or so weeks slips away fast. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by batman on 03/10/17 at 02:34:12 DK,The 5speed is geared slightly higher than the 4 speed and might give better mileage, wind resistance is a killer ,you could change handlebars to drag bars as this would make you lean forward cutting frontal area,and be more comfortable at higher speeds.full face helmet use would be best as windshields are bad for two reasons,first they kill mileage ,second is unless mounted dead straight air will spill of the sides unevenly and could cause front end wobble at highway speeds.The 4speed carb runs a 155 main jet this might be changed to a 152.5 or 150,the 5 speed runs a 145 stock I don't think you could run anything smaller ,but you would need to be careful ,to lean will make the motor run hot. running a rear tire in the 140/90 size would give you a slightly larger diameter .(high end tires sometimes have deeper tread,and so have a larger outside diameter.) |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/10/17 at 03:15:17 71425D555E300 wrote:
Yep....the sales so far have just been by "word of mouth" as I get them done. Stemills, Lancer, old_Indian, and I are all using pulleys I have cut.....Springman is the next victim. I prefer the belt over a chain, and that is why I am doing the pulley. The Kawasaki pulley has 25teeth instead of the stock 23 teeth, and it makes an 8.7% reduction in rpm.....it is a noticeable change. And if you need a rear tire before you leave on the trip....consider going to a 140/90-15 for an additional drop in rpm when cruising the superslab. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1484806731 |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by zipidachimp on 03/10/17 at 04:17:25 wrong bike, vulcan 500 is chain drive, sprocket, not pulley. 8-) |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/10/17 at 04:27:57 47544D54595C5E5554504D3D0 wrote:
Says who? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1994-94-Kawasaki-Vulcan-EN500-500-Front-Sprocket-Drive-Hub-Pulley-/291918329306?hash=item43f7b035da:g:qfMAAOSwImRYCiyi&vxp=mtr http://www.ebay.com/itm/90-Kawasaki-EN-500-Vulcan-Used-Rear-Drive-Belt-Pulley-Sprocket-With-Cush-Damper-/391504731080?hash=item5b27801bc8:g:XIAAAOSw7XZXg-yX&vxp=mtr The Kawasaki front pulley is not a bolt on - it needs machining and the metal is very tough....it takes a long time to get it cut to size. I sell the completed pulley for $ 150 shipped to the mainland 48 states in a small Flat Rate box. You can probably buy a complete chain set cheaper - but for those of us that want to keep the belt....it is a worthwhile upgrade. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/10/17 at 10:12:51 Right on everyone . Here's an update . I'm interested in the kawi front sprocket . I'm already running a 140/ 90 tire . Lol learned that here .... Not sure if I can run the pulley though as I also have oversized shocks in the rear about 2.5 inches over stock there off an 850gs I had . They allow me a nicer ride and accommodate for the hard saddlebags bags I have added for carry space on The coast to coast trip .( They have brought the tire a bit close to the swing arm already ) I'm thinking the chain conversion might make it so I can give the tire.a lil more clearance . And change my gearing up . What do you guys think ? also I have an open pipe just after the header with a solid lollipop style adjustable baffle. An open air pod with about 8 inches of a 45 degree exhaust bend that puts the air filter behind the battery approximately where the stock box was . My carb is currently jetted at 160 main 55 pilot ( I ran it with a 180 main for longer than I want to admit . Bought it that way didn't know it and sadly I have trouble reading small type so didn't change it till my shop partner noticed it ) . I pulled the brass plug to get to the idle air screw and have that at 1 3/4 turns out ) I'installed the raptor petcock on the 86 yesterday ordered one for the 99 too . I've been fighting a lil with carb adjustment it runs great some days and not so great others but I still feel like I'm not running it to it full potential. I'm willing to make changes if I have to just need to get them installed and dialed in before I go . I realize this is a ton of more information so feel free to address any or all or none of It . But as someone mentioned my trip is only about 8 weeks away and I want to do the most I can for the trip without getting myself overwhelmed . Thanks agian everyone I really appreciate it . I plan to be very active with my posts now and through the whole trip . I'm sure someone has done a trip like this before on a savage but I'm excited to do it . I've been to Tennessee and back from Portland on my 82 gs850 shaft drive but this will be the farthest I've ever gone and I have faith the savage will make it . I'm not to computer savvy but I'm hoping to post the info for the trip so you all can check out our plans . (Big Iron Door gallery coast to coast trip 2017 ) Vancouver WA . the alternative art gallery I work on bikes / scooters out of the back . Mostly my own . Also ounce we post our route, if anyone wants to tag along whenl we ride through hit me up . As I stated before I ramble so like I said thanks a thousand times |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by hotrod on 03/10/17 at 12:31:59 A cheap upgrade in lighting would be good also. A brighter headlight bulb. On E-bay , I have seen LED stick on brake , or running lights. The more rear end notice the better, and can be removed when you get home. Safety first, comfort second. Watch out for the IDIOTS. They are everywhere. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/10/17 at 18:29:55 I just finished the Dave Special pulley swap. Front and rear. Zero pulley wobble and I can shut off downhill in neutral and it's as quiet as anything. The tires on the pavement.. No belt noise under load. I did use a blade from a feeler gauge to make the stepped bushing that fits in the hub fit snugly into the outer bearing. With Daves bushed and turned inner part of the hub fitting the wheel, it can't move. I'm running a 140/80 Metzler. The saddlebag mounts wouldn't work out with a 140/90. As much as I am digging the new gearing, I don't actually know how fast I'm going. IDK what the taller tire and the sprocket swap would do. IIRC Dave said the sprocket=about a 12.5% increase. I never checked the speedo beforehand, so,I dunno. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by badwolf on 03/10/17 at 19:16:27 JOG, Download a GPS speedo app for your phone, and fasten it to your handlebar. Cardboard and duct tape if nothing else. When I did mine I found out it was 23% off. Speedo said 100 miles, GPS said 123!I made a full time waterproof mount for mine and got rid of the stocker, didn't fit my bigger tank anyhow. It has worked fine or 25k, cept in a tunnel. Just broke down and ordered a $300 Speedhut unit for something new this year. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/10/17 at 19:59:14 Yeahhh, I'm gonna hafta run that by the wife. I dunno if she's cool with me swiping her phone. It's a great plan. I bet I can get that done, actually, I Do have a GPS I can hook up. It'd be Great to not get lost every time I head for a new fishing spot. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by badwolf on 03/10/17 at 20:08:00 JOG, You can pickup a $20 cheapy at Wally World. You don't need to activate it as a phone, just go on wi-fi download the app and your good to go. You can re-mark your stock speedo and keep it as a music player or use a map app. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/10/17 at 20:19:01 I have a flip phone, but I think the GPS is the answer. I can use the help. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/11/17 at 03:23:38 504F494E53546555655D4F43083A0 wrote:
The Kawasaki front pulley makes an 8.7% change....the bushing on the rear pulley hub makes no gearing change - but keeps the rear pulley from wobbling around and keeps the belt straight. You can buy good working GPS units on eBay pretty cheap - as smart phones and navigation built into new cars is making it so folks no longer use their Garmin or TomTom (I believe the navigation on my phone is more accurate and easier to use than my Garmin). MMRanch got a working GPS for $5 that he has been using for years. If you buy on on eBay and don't want to instantly pay money to get new maps - make sure the GPS you are buying has the maps loaded for where you live. If the current owner has a lifetime map update ask them to load a map update for your part of the country. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/11/17 at 05:34:53 Thanks for all the input, Dave. I never noticed that I don't see the GPSs at the WallMarts like I did. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by old.indian on 03/11/17 at 08:09:28 DK: Unless you modify the motor to supply more torque and HP, you should limit your gearing changes to Dave's 25 tooth front pulley. Any clearance issues are easily dealt with and the same as installing the 12.5" shocks. In my own case, I'm now running a 17/43 chain conversion. Which puts 60 MPH (my comfort level touring speed) at the 3500 RPM torque peak (Stage 3 cam). My Thumper is ideally suited for the back roads and the altitude (5,000 ft. +) I ride at, and I would (will ?) not hesitate to take the thumper any where as long as I stay on back roads and not push past 4K RPM for long stretches. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/11/17 at 12:45:49 not push past 4K RPM for long stretches. What's the problem with running in excess of 4,000 RPM? |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by old.indian on 03/12/17 at 10:46:25 7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
Personal "peace of mind" 8-) and I've experienced an increased oil consumption after long stretches at 4,500-5,000 RPM. ( Not burned, breather tube....) :-/ (note: 4,000 R's on "Old Thumper" = 70 MPH with present gearing.... :) ) |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/12/17 at 13:28:12 Yeah, I go fast, I lose oil.. I'm looking forward to getting on the road and seeing how it feels. It's so much calmer and without any belt noise it's just nicer to ride. Just finished marking the speedometer with Shift points and lines to go by so im not speeding. Maybe it'll be warm enough to be inviting tomorrow. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by batman on 03/12/17 at 15:20:30 maybe you guys should run your breather hose to the chain guard and lube your chain on the run. :) |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by old.indian on 03/12/17 at 16:01:00 4B485D4448471D11290 wrote:
Typical New Yorker...... The object is to keep the oil IN the crankcase !!! And by the way and while I'm at it.. Ya talk funny too.... ::) |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by mpescatori on 03/14/17 at 03:25:25 69484C496644434A5E2D0 wrote:
Hi, DeadKings, this is Maurizio from Rome, Italy. :) (No, not Rome, NY, I'm really in Rome, Italy !) http://https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/NNf2aj9XqGYb8-tTkhD0Vi_zZqHUDPSQYGZfUmdcg9rLOR0zy9M-N_wFBE-kiSRBlBCrgQGgTIsK_k-RcvEKYX6oKZsY9xR2mQwFRISn2mqVFA1coKiWOvDch8vWT-XWkqgVYpmCZHKIL1oOaDJl00oc-x9OVToK6vVbNgx1UXU5b3faG3yeRwBQq4BnN3TmALzLcdgLFp-26lqbtUdbqGss7AYQicGLsjcB0GptIhFm5kL73k3dZEN7kjz1U7gMJ3R4tYWraaJG3L9iqk1SPUABAXIarp5uIkoQ-ocMaoMVUraqWnDlHsGIvNKtkpVLaxieUVBpRVGXhIcAwQaifFfRfg94WlahJohHBpcdvIsevslqu_u2aWS4NtVObnw3meY-CecMc_vM45ya7FKAOQiMADwKIWKoiy3iNWiqtJJI5KWEiakEmMZDKpApUGP0FfAcMSJnS7pFDV9uGlahgLj3BMfQKhAALkScEki8V6MizMebFitAsiYNOGuRhf2nNZVuYVhCq83VnwjUFRMco5YLl96Ko_AIDYcy4hdkdOXR-gZe01CAjTrVSjmhqZ_lHxf-wmg3awtCNFTiKk9mX3PpMd1tZex39DiJmZwWzcJTAdFC50KM=w1280-h960-no You inquire about long range touring etc. Many here are experts but I would like to think one more opinion will not hurt, add insight. I have a 1988 Savage, that's a 4-speed. 1. The 4-speed has widely spaced gears, so you have to rev to a good 4000rpm in 3rd before you can safely engage 4th gear, especially if you're climbing. 2. Standard OEM belt drive final drive ratio is 2.94 (IIRC) 3. Tiny 2 gal. tank will give you a safe average 100 miles range. Having these three points well focused, here are my thoughts: 1. Stage 1 upgrade: free-flow air filter (see my bike, the round shiny thing behind the toolbox is a K&N air filter connected to the carb via a rubber 90°elbow), rejet the carb, HD Sportster/Dyna muffler. That should give you a little more ooomph and most importantly allow the engine to rev more freely. 2. Final Drive upgrade: I went the "chain drive" way, fitted a 17/49 ratio with a 530 chain with O-rings (hassle free). I highly recommend the 530 chain over the 525 because when the engine thumps it packs quite a punch! A 520 chain is, IMHO, definitely undersized. 17/49 will give you a 2.88 final drive ratio, which is a tad longer-legged and will counter any speedo error OR you may fit a 16/45 which will give you a 2.81 final drive ratio. OR you may fit a 17/47 which will give you a 2,76 final drive ratio. I sincerely recommend NOT going too long in the tooth or you might be forced to cruise in 3rd up very long climbs, as 4th simply won't have enough torque. 3. Bar-mounted Tachometer and speedo: Moving your instrument cluster to the handlebars has two advantages: - you don't need to look between your knees to see how fast you're going, and - you can use the tank for a magnetic hold-all. Here is the kind of speedo and tacho many of us use: http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mBPFmzysX98hC-pHyZkS0Eg.jpghttp://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/g/wSwAAOxyVLNTAlHU/s-l225.jpg As the bike will not do any more than 80 mph and rev no more than 6000rpm, I suggest your speedo go no more than 140mph and the tach no more than 8000 rpm. This frees the top of the tank for a small magnetic holdall for stuff and a map (or navigator) in the transparent top pocket. http://www.aerostich.com/files/images/detailed/1989_3a.jpghttp://images.motorcycle-superstore.com/productimages/300/2009_Joe_Rocket_Hammerhead_Tank_Bag.jpg Don't overdo it and keep the bag small as the Savage is a small bike with a small tank ! But you'll love it ! 4. Windshield: The Savage is a small bike with limited horsepower, yet a windscreen is always welcome. If you can source a HD Sportster windscreen, that is all you really need to keep the wind off your chest. http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/g/00wAAOSwEzxYbqTY/s-l225.jpg Just make sure it is no higher than your shoulders, you want to make sure your line of sight goes over the windshield, not through it ! 5. Engine Guard: Some call it "highway bar". Whichever, it acts as protection to your knees in case of a close shave, and protects the engine in case you go down. (Nobody wants that, but should it really happen you want to pick up the bike, brush off the dirt and ride away... not mop up blood and guts and engine oil...) http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/images/m/mwoT0qOUaHHRzekhfcc6xOQ/s-l225.jpg As for extra range, bigger tanks - that is a topic which I have read about but never tried myself. Europe is sooo crowded you will find a gas station every 5 miles or so... But I'm sure you can easily go the 4, 5, 6 gallon route if you really wanted ! http://https://www.chopperresource.co.uk/my_uploads/products/dossgastanks30.jpg This is called the "Fat Bob" tank (it's a style name) and fits HD Softails, but I'm sure it can be properly adapted to a Savage frame before any fuel is poured into it. Read THIS for inspiration ! http://perry-visorviewpoint.blogspot.it/2011/03/how-to-auxiliary-fuel-tank-for-long.html |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by batman on 03/14/17 at 20:04:43 Well Odd Indian, I may talk funny but I do at least think logically ,Only some one like you would build a motor with 40 hp to drive your bike 60 mph.by the way your motor no longer has a torque peak of 3500rpm, you have a stage 3 cam that raises the peak to at least 4000 rpm. I can however understand you not wanting to run that fast ,your 10.5 compression as raised the combustion temp. and with your oil pump only turning at 85% of what it should be due to your chain drive conversion ,oil flow isn't high enough to carry the added heat away from the head and cylinder,or even enough to not cause excessive wear (10 psi for every 1000 RPM )so your motor is running hotter ,in the heat of the N.M. you'd probably turn a bit redder.The added heat ends up in the bottom of the motor ,and sends more oil and fumes to the breather hose and onto the carb . to burn dropping your oil level.But you knew that ,right? You might have left the motor stock and just done the chain conversion or built the motor and skipped the chain conversion and been better off. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by LANCER on 03/14/17 at 20:59:31 The torque peak for that cam is probably pretty darn close to 4k rpm, but I have reservations about the oil pressure being low at that rpm. Do you have an oil pressure gauge to go by ? I don't so cannot say with authority but I'm just wondering. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/14/17 at 21:15:25 I've got a stage one, Where is the torque on that? |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/15/17 at 03:18:46 67647168646B313D050 wrote:
Even the Stage 3 cam is a pretty mild grind compared to what the DR650 uses, and all of the cams available for the Savage run fine at lower rpm. I don't believe it is necessary to have the engine in the fat part of the torque curve at all times. When I am on my local rides I find that I am at very low throttle settings for the majority of my ride, and my engine is most likely using less than 1/3rd of the available power, and sometimes I never get into high gear.......5th is now the "overdrive" that is available when I get to the highway and speeds over 60 mph. There are plenty of times that the road is flat, the wind is calm, and you can cruise along at very low throttle settings and 3,000 rpm.....the engine is perfectly happy to be just cruising along calmly.......it is making very little HP and very little heat. I had a head temperature gauge on my engine when I did the double Kawasaki pulley change, and the drop in RPM resulted in a 20 degree drop in head temperature at 70 mph. At lower rpm and speeds the temperature was always less than highway speeds - except when stuck in traffic with no air flow over the engine. Even at 70 mph I am using less than half throttle - a stock motor won't pull that tall gearing well, and even at 3,000 rpm the modified engine is making more HP than the stock one would at the same RPM. If you need more HP/Torgue and want to get maximum acceleration - all that is required is a downshift to get the engine rpm up into the range where it makes the most torque/HP. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by batman on 03/15/17 at 08:45:17 Lancer,Dave, No I don't have an oil pressure gauge ,nor would it be of much use as I don't have these mods. Pressure in any engine as a rule of thumb requires 10 psi for every 1000 Rpm ,I will concide that the pressure may well be alright ,BUT what of flow? the flow of oil through the motor both lubes the parts and carries away HEAT! 100 psi of pressure will do little to increase flow ,the size of the passages restrict much increase .The 10.5 ;1 piston has raised CE by 7.2% at 4000 rpm,(70 Mph ?)and therefore raises combustion chamber temp.Motors have about 35% efficiency ,65% of the heat being absorbed by the engine block.No more air passes over the motor.the only other cooling medium being the oil.If it takes 25HP to get to 70 MPH it stand to reason that the built motor also makes the same ,but the oil pump is turning 15% slower ,pumping 15% less volume ,that volume being normally used to run a cooler firing stock motor at 60MPH.It would be better to look at what is happening to oil temp. rather than head temp .on these bikes. They have to be running hotter ,more so in warm locals , and higher heat causes increased wear.17:45 might be a better than17:43 gearing for these bikes. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/15/17 at 09:34:47 I appreciate all the information.I have spent most my time off this week working on the 86 . I did a raptor petcock switch . Installed taller shocks to accommodate for my hard saddlebags . Also I raised my bars from stock to 12 inch mini apes ( puts my hands just at shoulder level Wich is comfortable to me ) . Then extended the wires ,clutch and throttle cables . Just finished running the wires thru the bars last night for that nice clean look . I'm not sure wether I'm going to go chain or pulley . I'd really like to get a lil more out of the bike . But other than an open air filter with and open header situation single adjustable baffle ( thinking about changing that . Or adding a lollipop after the baffle to add a lil more back pressure) it's totally stock as far as I know . Do I need to upgrade the motor before I do a pulley or chain swap ? Don't think I have enough time before my trip to do engine upgrades . I just ordered the cam chain tensioner mod and the soft plug replacement plus push in seat pins for the 86 and hope to get them next week sometime . ( Not rushing just hoping ) I also ordered all the parts I need to get the 99 savage running too . I'm planning on getting it back together as soon as my parts for it arrive . I love the prices of stuff on eBay and online but I miss being able to pay for something and pick it up right then . Plus I'm impatient and just wanna get it done . Probably gonna be headed back to the shop today to finish painting and remounting the hard saddle bags but first I gotta adjust my belt tension I have it a lil tight I think after adding the taller shocks . Agian I really appreciate all the advice . It is a bit overwhelming so much information and a few different opinions . Doing my best to figure out what would be best for my situation. Plus taking the time to post as I'm not the most computer savvy . I'm only 42 but I'm a bit of an old grumpy bastard and a Luddite ( think I spelled that right ) . lol .I'm sure I'll be on here later or tomorrow asking some tuning and carb questions . Hoping the pic I loaded this is me and my buddy's bikes before the trip to Astoria Oregon from Portland a few weeks ago . Before Il the shocks and raptor mod will put more pics on later |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/15/17 at 09:37:57 Is your 10 psi per 1,000 rpm oil pressure guideline applicable to plain or roller bearings....is that a Drag Racer rule of thumb for a small block Chevy? Roller bearings don't really need any pressure....they need a small amount of flow. The only bearing failure that I am aware of is Verslagen had a counterbalance shaft bearing fail....the cage came apart. I don't know of anybody that has had a rod failure...normally when you run the engine low on oil (or out of oil) - the piston/cylinder locks up before you damage the bearings. The higher compression motor doesn't "have" to run hotter at lower throttle settings and normal riding speeds - I will agree that at full throttle it will likely make more heat if you are using the extra HP the higher compression can provides. But I don't agree that the higher compression piston makes the engine run hotter in all situations, all the time. When the carb slide is restricting the flow of air into the engine - the cylinder is not being filled and the difference of the compression ratio is not realized. So if a stock 8.5;1 compression ratio engine is making 15 HP to get me down the road at a certain speed.....and a similar 10.5:1 engine is making the same 15HP - the cylinder most likely has the same amount of fuel/air in the cylinder to make the same amount of HP - if there was more/air fuel in the cylinder the higher compression engine would make more heat and more HP.....and the 2 bikes would not be going the same speed for very long! The only way to know for sure if a stock engine and a modified engine make different amounts of heat at a steady low rpm cruise - would be to ride them side by side and compare temperatures. Unfortunately there would still be variables like fuel mixture, exhaust, tire design and air pressure.....and even the wind resistance of the rider that cold affect the results! |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/15/17 at 09:43:48 Oh yeah and to Maurizio the gentleman from Italy . Right on man thanks for all the great info . I've been to Italy ounce when I was stationed in Germany in the late 90s but only for a few days . Always wanted to go back . Maybe after my cross country trip I can go ride Europe . How much is a a decent running savage cost over there ? I'd have to save up a bunch for a year or two to do it but it would be worth it I bet . On your chain conversion do you have oil issues ? I read in one of these post it lowers the oil pressure and pump effeciancy to do the chain swap. Just trying to get all the info before I decide what to do . Thanks agian for all the info . |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/15/17 at 09:46:33 6E4F4B4E6143444D592A0 wrote:
The stock motor can pull the Kawasaki front pulley just fine - provided that you don't have a huge windshield, big saddlebags and weigh as much as the bike! If you get in the mountains and the air is thin, the headwinds are strong, and it doesn't pull high gear....you can shift down. I have never heard from anyone that has used the Kawasaki pulley on a 4 speed bike.......they work great on a 5 speed as downshifting from 5th to 4th puts you very close to what the stock gearing used to be when in 5th. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/15/17 at 09:53:41 Saddlebags are improvised off an old beamer and fiberglass . Not that heavy really empty there only a few pounds each . Fully loaded the only issues had was a bracket I built incorrect and with a huge pot hole it hit the rear sprocket that's why I installed the bigger shocks . I'm going up to the shop today to readjust the rear end make sure there is no clearance issues with the larger shocks and to see if I can fit the front pulley mod or not . |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/15/17 at 09:58:07 Ounce I get all the parts for my 99 and get it running agian ( been kinda scavenging a few parts off it for my 86 and my buddy's 02 savage ) I may do the pulley mod on it to take across country . I just have the 86 set up more for the trip ( hard bags and more comfortable ride) when I figure out to upload pics I will ... |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by batman on 03/15/17 at 14:16:14 Dave what you say is true the 10.5 compression is only at peak torque , that is why I used 4000 Rpm as my example.I'm fully aware that that compression is low before the peak due to late closing of the intake valve ,and after the peak due to restriction (nozzle effect) of the intake valve at higher speeds.Old Indian seems timid to run his bike to 4000 Rpm ,where the torque peaks and the compression and therefore the combustion temps are the highest.He can't gear the motor lower,the oil flow would be to low, that's why I suggest raising it to 17/45 or even stock. This would take the motor past the peak,allowing for better oil flow and cooler combustion temps and allow him to cruise at highway speeds without care. with the 40 HP he has on tap why be limiting the bike to 60 mph when it can probably do 100,spending that amount of time and money for such bad performance makes little sense to me.think about it Dave wouldn't it be nice to be able to ride your bike at 55 in 5th gear and enjoy the fuel savings ,rather than 4th ?If you run a stock front pulley and kawa rear what would that ratio be? |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/15/17 at 15:59:53 Batman: Why do you insist the oil pressure is too low at 3,000 rpm? There are no oil related issues with the Savage....provided you keep your idle speed around 1,100 rpm. I don't see any reason to believe the engine is under lubricated at 3,000 rpm. The Stage 1 and Stage 3 cams are a pretty mild cam and they run just fine in the Savage for everyday cruising around town.....or on the highway. The Stage 3 has a bit more lift than the Stage 1 - but they both have the same duration....the Stage 2 cam has a longer duration combined with the higher lift of the State 2 cam. I really don't know for sure what/where the Stage 1 or Stage 3 torque peak is - but I bet either one still makes more HP and torque at 3,000 rpm than the stock cam does....and it runs really well! My car engine has the maximum HP at 5,600 rpm, maximum torque is at 4,200 rpm. it has a 11:1 compression ratio. I drive it to work every day at 3,000 rpm and 60 mph. It is well below the peak torque and HP....no problem - 130,000 miles and climbing. You don't have to gear your car/motorcycle so it operates at the maximum torque rpm when cruising. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/15/17 at 16:39:10 The Supertrapp with fourteen disks, 140/90tire, jetted carb, Stage One cam, and I was giggling. The Supertrapp was louder than the Dyna and cost more than twenty times the money as the Dyna, so I'm settling for the Dyna. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/15/17 at 20:57:26 So just got back from the shop today finished painting and rehanging my saddlebags . I got the rear tire relined up and belt tension correct . It looks like there might be room for the Kawi front pulley swap . How much room do I need for the swap ? I think I'll go with that if it will fit, since I'm only running a stock motor . I think keeping the belt will go e the least issues and be the easier swap to do before the trip . Also can't remember who makes them is there a post about them some where so I can get a better idea of what it takes to do the swap . And any info about the actual changes it makes for sure ? Thanks . |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/15/17 at 21:05:01 The Tech section has the original post on it. Hutch Hutchins pioneered it. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/16/17 at 04:12:34 5D7C787D5270777E6A190 wrote:
What clearance are you concerned about? The only clearance issues is with a bit of rubbing that occurs on the outer pulley cover. It takes 5 minutes with a Dremel to trim off 1/16" of aluminum in a few places. The axle has to be moved all the way forward, and the longer shocks actually helps give more room for adjustment...the belt should be a little bit looser with longer shocks as the belt will tighten as the swing arm moves. Here is a link to Stewmills pulley install in the Tech Section. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1484806731 I am the guy that machines the Kawasaki pulleys....they are $150 shipped and include a new locking tab and the needed screws with the lower heads. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/16/17 at 08:14:50 That's awesome . Just did the shocks this week . Haven't really gotten to ride it much . I just ordered the cam chain adjuster and a few other parts plus a bunch of others online waiting for all that to come in . As soon as I get them and install them I will be making another order of parts . If there are no clearance issues I will be ordering the Kawi pulley kit when I order the others . So I was under the impression that I might need to worry about the tire /swing arm clearance with the front pulley swap . I have the belt tensioned in the sweet spot( I think ) for the shock swap and it did bring the tire a touch closer to the swing arm . Just want to be certain . Does anyone have any info about the Kawi front pulley swap on an the 4 speed ? Any issues or things I should know . I just want to do it right . But I guess if It doesn't work on the 86 it will on the 99. really just hoping I can eventually do it on both . No point in having a loaner bike so friends can ride with me if they can't keep up right . So trying to make them match in performance and have totally different styling . Thanks agian for any info in this . Also please let me Know the best way to order the pulley kit from you . |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by mpescatori on 03/16/17 at 10:41:53 5E7F7B7E5173747D691A0 wrote:
Hi DK. When I did the chain conversion I initially went for a 17/47 but found it a bit too tall geared (I do mostly city driving) so went back to 17/49 which is almots exactly the stock drive raito with the OEM belt. If you have a chat with any Iron Butt rider they will tell you long distance riding is about riding long distances, not revving the motor to Death. On the Savage my preferred cruising speed is in the 55mph range, +/- 5mph for wind, climb, traffic, speed cameras... ;) |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/17 at 13:54:25 nclude a new locking tab and the needed screws with the lower heads. I didn't see where to use those bolts. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/16/17 at 18:15:59 485751564B4C7D4D7D45575B10220 wrote:
The short screw goes on the oil seal retainer....just above the output shaft. The longer one goes on the bottom of the cover over the internal shift linkage.....you should check down there and see if your belt is clearing the head on that existing screw......you can tell if the screw head has been made shiny (the new screw has as shorter head). |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/16/17 at 21:12:02 I'll touch the inside of the belt. I don't Wanna go back in.. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/17/17 at 02:40:50 6C7375726F6859695961737F34060 wrote:
The top one most likely isn't rubbing - or you would hear it. The bottom one most likely can be replaced without removing anything, and it is the one that can rub the belt. Lean the bike over against the wall on the right side, and look at the underside of the belt, and see if the screw head shows signs of rubbing. http://i68.tinypic.com/iduhhx.jpg |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/17/17 at 09:08:04 Roger, Wilco.. A piece of paper with the parts to alert the clods like me might be a consideration. I'm heading to the shop, Now, |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/17/17 at 09:41:10 607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:
I thought I had given you the link to Stewmills install thread. http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1484806731 |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/17/17 at 10:52:56 Hey, don't go trying to dodge blame here.. I'm sure you did. I'm Equally certain I didn dewwit! Which, naturally, is your fault too. You Do know I'm the guy who First tries, Then Reads directions, right? I didn't See a reason to. It Looked good, I didn't even think about any rubbin and touchin. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/17/17 at 11:13:09 I'm kinda the that guy too ( first try and then read directions ) but seems like you guys have done most of the heavy lifting for me . I'm just trying to peace it all together . Today is officially two months till we leave for the cross country . I'm excited as hell but really a bit nervous I won't get everything I want done in time . Trying to keep it from being alot of last minute rushing but that's life right . Dave your the guy that makes the Kawi pulleys for the swap right ? When you get a chance can you please message or email me so I can order one from you as soon as your able . Thanks |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by old.indian on 03/18/17 at 08:04:17 Leave you guys alone and.... ;D (The way JOG is avoiding responsibility for his own silliness, you would think that he is a California college student........) Batman: I'm taking the Torque and Power readings off the dyno sheets from the dyno run I did... Note that I live in central New Mexico. Long (20+ mile) straights at 5 to 8 thousand feet above sea level. Comfort level is 60MPH because a) I enjoy the scenery and b) I have no desire to find myself in a "right of way" dispute with a prong horn (already happened), or any form of semi-domesticated critter. And have you seen how big those elk are???? And there are a sh*t load of them in those herds out here...... :o |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/18/17 at 08:24:20 MY Rusponsibillity? As IF! I have no responsibility to just Open a link. Dave was Supposed to Spoon feed me that information. And you're trying to just Lay it all on me, the Texan. I'm heading out to the Safe Space and check out my How to get your pound of flesh legal books. I'm just Sure there's a hate crime up in there somewhere. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by LANCER on 03/18/17 at 14:04:14 544B4D4A5750615161594B470C3E0 wrote:
Ahhhh ..... Mmmmmm ......[ch128579] |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/18/17 at 14:11:51 I think I just saw a snowflake melt in the upper atmosphere.. I'm just gonna dry my teddy bear,, you know, they just don't handle tears as well as the cotton stuffed ones. I got no Use for polyester. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by old.indian on 03/19/17 at 10:40:40 DeadKings: To help to make sense of all the discussion regarding gearing, (and FYI I have/ use the tach on MY bike), factory specs quote the LS650/S40 at 31HP @ 5,400 RPM and 30.5 ft. lbs. torque @ 3400RPMs. In FIFTH gear (you have a 4 speed, so this will be for comparison ONLY) with a 140/90-15 rear tire, 60 MPH= 3,940 RPM. Changing to the 25 tooth front pulley, 60 MPH = 3,661 RPM. Now a reduction of 280 RPM might not sound like much, but it does represent a reduction in engine stress and an improvement in MPG. When you are looking at a 5,000+ mile trip every little bit helps.... |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by batman on 03/20/17 at 19:30:31 Old Indian ,I can't fault you for wanting to cruse at slower speeds due to critter clusters. I'm in the boonies myself, last night after dark I passed 5 deer on the side of the road ,4 crossed in front of me ,1 porcupine and two cross road snowmobile trails ,on a drive of 5 miles. Seed limit 55 ,my speed limit 45.While it's true that your MPG has increased and you don't have stop as often for fuel, and your reserve lasts longer ,are both a plus ,your high compression motor requires 91 octane rather than 87 so there's little savings in fuel cost. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/20/17 at 19:48:07 So I am gonna be ordering the Kawi front pulley for my 86 . In the next few days and have to go to the DMV tomorrow to get new plates tags and registration . I didn't tighten down the liscense bolts when I pulled everything apart and painted the saddlebags . Pretty sure it came off on i5 south crossing the border from Washington to Oregon going about 60 but not sure . So to dmv I go and give them the money I had planned to use for my 99 Kawi front pulley . Oh well there's always next month. I guess I'll be the first person to install a Kawi pulley on a 4 speed . Can't wait to see what the difference will be |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/23/17 at 11:26:04 Just sent out for my Kawi pulley and a cam chain tensioner for my 99 . Did the tensioner swap yesterday on the 86 . Also added quick release pins and a lollipop to my single baffle exhaust . Seems to idle better getting ready to go test ride it now . But I noticed in putting together my 99 that even though I made a parts list I still forgot stuff . Where is the best place to get parts? Just eBay ? . I need a exhaust gasket X2, exhaust bolts( snapped one) , clutch cover gasket X2 , plus the clutch cover bolt oil washers I lost two , tank mounts rubbers X2 (the silly things that the tank slides on too ). I'm really looking to get quality parts not cheap ones I've had a few disappointments with eBay .( 2 crappy clutch cover gaskets an exhaust gasket . And a front brake light switch that said it was for my 86 but clearly is not ) ok anyways guys please let me know Thanks DeadKings |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/23/17 at 11:44:25 I buy factory parts from Bike Bandit.....I wait until they send me a 10% discount offer to get stuff! There are several other online stores that are as good.....or you can buy from your local dealer. Most of the time it takes about the same length of time - as your local dealer won't have most of the parts in stock and will have to order them. They most likely will have oil filters, mirrors, maybe a cable....most other parts will have to be ordered. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/23/17 at 18:37:27 Well today officially sucks . Not sure why but there is now a whole wear my oil filter door used to be . Started the bike heard a pop and then oil everywhere . . That after a long day of physical and mental crap already. I'm gonna take the night to chill but then I'm gonna get it to the shop tomorrow and try to figure it out .Anyone ever heard of this ? I recently did an oil change and used an eBay filter when I did the cam chain tensioner . The bike rode fine on my way home from the shop but then popped and blew a whole in the oil filter cover when I tried to start it to go to work tonight. I'm kinda freaking out hoping I didn't frag my motor . Any ideas ? |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/23/17 at 19:33:38 You put the new oil filter in backwards. You are not the first one to do that. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/23/17 at 19:35:34 Really . I haven't looked at it yet . Is it serious ? Do I need to do anything special ? I've been pretty stressed . |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/23/17 at 19:43:14 6C4D494C6341464F5B280 wrote:
One side of the oil filter has an open end...the other one is closed. When you put it in backwards.....there is no oil flow to the engine. Whatever miles you rode since the oil change was done without any oil going to the engine. If it didn't suffer some serious wear to the head, cam and rockers.....I will be amazed. The roller bearings do get a bit of oil from the splash the clutch and crank kicks up.....and maybe they are OK. I don't know how the piston/cylinder holds up.....there was no oil flow out the rod and a lot of that oil goes to lubricate those parts. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/23/17 at 20:33:03 Any suggestions on what to do ? Should I just throw a new oil filter and cover on it and see what happens? Or do I need to do anything special ? It seemed to run fine on the way home but yeah I did ride it approx 8 miles |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/23/17 at 20:39:34 I'll rebuild the whole thing if I have too, but it needs to happen before may 17th. And as cheap as possible so I can afford the trip . |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/17 at 20:40:24 Drain the oil, what's left, and look at it. Then , yeah, steal the filter and cover off the other bike and see how it goes. Might consider flushing the crankcase. A quart of diesel, slosh, drain.. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/23/17 at 20:46:22 Ok I actually have an extra oil door from the clutch cover I cracked from over tightening it .(Yeah learned that lesson the hard way) . I'm gonna trailer it to the shop in the morning and drain the oil and see what it looks like . |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/23/17 at 20:51:22 Yeah I just looked it is for sure the oil filter in backward . I can't believe I did that . That's what I get for being a jack of all trades and yet a master of none right . Hopefully I didn't do anything I can't fix |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/23/17 at 20:53:59 k I actually have an extra oil door from the clutch cover I cracked from over tightening it Didn't know that was possible |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/23/17 at 21:06:32 Yep I cracked the clutch cover replacing the gasket that leaked when I first bought it . Tightened the ,8 mm bolt near the top where the oil groove is on the inside of the cover. It gave it a hair line crack that seaped oil when it was running . Live, learn, then mess up agian and learn more . Well I feel a lil better . Now I'm just impatient to see what the bike does tomorrow |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by verslagen1 on 03/23/17 at 21:54:41 I should have an extra '86-'88 clutch cover I look for it tomorrow night. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/23/17 at 21:58:57 Thanks I'm good on the cover the one I cracked was like a year ago and already replaced it .I'm just gonna grab the oil filter cover off it and throw it on with a new filter after I check the oil and look for metal in it . Not sure may try the deisel flush not sure |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/24/17 at 04:00:05 Before you got to start it again.....remember that the upper end has not been oiled for 8 miles. When you are putting oil back in the bike, take the front valve inspection cover off, and put oil in the upper part of the head. Try to get oil into the little rectangular well that sits under the cam, and you might consider taking out the spark plug and putting some light oil into the cylinder.....StaBil makes fogging oil for that purpose and it is only about 6 bucks for a can. You also need to consider that the camshaft rides in the aluminum head, and those bearing points have not been oiled since the filter was changed. When you remove the spark plug and have the new oil and filter in.....I would suggest turning the engine over with the starter for a few 10 second bursts.....to try and get some oil into the system before the engine starts. http://i68.tinypic.com/2r2aa9x.jpg |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/24/17 at 08:10:15 Sounds like the way to go . Waiting for my ride so I can get my Bronco and trailer . Gonna stop for fogging oil on the way .Thanks so much for the info especially the pic . Gives me a way better idea of where things are . |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/24/17 at 17:02:43 Thanks Dave I followed your instructions and the 86 fired up no noises no issues . No metal in the oil . Runs good as it did before Installed the oil filter back wards . So I'm lucky lucky lucky so far . Still gonna baby it for a while and keep a close eye on it . |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/24/17 at 18:21:14 I hope your trip Is Cross country AND Back |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/25/17 at 04:55:39 103135301F3D3A3327540 wrote:
Sounds like you dodged a bullet! Your Kawasaki pulley should arrive today! |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/25/17 at 08:26:35 Yeah I'm lucky . Rode the bike to work and back last night and all went well . Chilling at home today looking forward to getting that pulley gonna hopefully get it installed Monday or Tuesday . |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by old.indian on 03/25/17 at 08:59:06 When I modified my motor last year I changed over to a magnetic drain plug. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/25/17 at 09:17:42 Màgnetic drain plug ? Where do I get one ? And how much ?Budget for the trip is starting to run out lol . But it might be a good idea to get one considering .... |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by verslagen1 on 03/25/17 at 10:39:36 I went with the gold plug simply cause it guaranteed fit... http://goldplug.com/shop/mp06/ I'm not sure of the threads but this might fit as well and a lot cheaper... https://www.amazon.com/Upstream-M12x1-25mm-Magnetic-Infiniti-Nissan/dp/B017SV5C9W/ref=pd_sbs_263_4?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B017SV5C9W&pd_rd_r=JE21BVQT0XGNKPMRK5D8&pd_rd_w=z1otF&pd_rd_wg=1AUIu&psc=1&refRID=JE21BVQT0XGNKPMRK5D8 |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 03/26/17 at 05:21:26 Be sure to read (and maybe print a copy) of Stewmills write up on installing the Kawasaki pulley. Also be sure you clean the threads on the shaft and nut - and use Blue or Red threadlocker on the nut....and crimp over a couple sides of the locking tab - you don't want the nut coming loose! You will also need a torque wrench to tighten the nut properly. |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/28/17 at 21:40:17 Installed the Kawi pulley.today . Was actually pretty simple . I sadly did not get a chance to test ride it and see what the difference is . Hoping to test it out tomorrow . I followed the instructions from on this forum and it went together we'll . Got the pulley cover thinned out in all the right spots and downloaded a GPS Speedo because I think I read that the speedo will be off on with the new Kawi front pulley . Wich by the way is awesome . A nice clean well done black pulley I'm very happy with my purchase . I really can't wait to try it out . Thanks agian everyone for all the advice I'll let everyone know the results as soon I get some ride time on it . |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by DeadKings on 03/29/17 at 16:40:04 Took the bike for a test ride today .It felt good . Did a lil more adjusting on the belt tension. I had it a lil tight . And rode it around town definitely felt like it rode a lil better at lower rpm didn't get a chance to freeway test it but did get it up to 45 -50 or so the speedo said . Hoping to get a lil more road time in this weekend gonna take it to work and back and hopefully ride to Corvallis this weekend ( couple hundred miles) |
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Title: Re: Cross country and back on a 1986 savage. Post by Dave on 05/08/17 at 19:40:51 How about an update? Did the trip happen? Are you still riding? Did you make it back? |
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Title: Cross Country trip update Post by DeadKings on 05/09/17 at 11:53:35 So long story short . The trip has been postponed . Two of our group were unable to get off work after all one other has some personal and another legal issues . So not sure when but it will happy hopefully at the and of the summer / fall . The 86 4 speed is running well with the Kawi front pulley . I really dig it . I haven't had a chance to finish 99 but have a few days set aside this week to really get in[ch8203] to it . I've been riding a bunch as the weather has turned[ch8203] nice here . . Hoping to buy another Kawi pulley for the 5 speed when its running . Instead of the cross country trip .I plan to leave on the 17th and ride up to Seattle and down the west coast almost to Mexico . Taking 6 8 days to do it I think . Well there s a short update . Probably gonna post later after work still trying g to figure out a few lil iddle and jetting issues . Thanks DeadKings |
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