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Title: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by Serowbot on 02/27/17 at 16:11:15 Nobody,.. means everybody except Trump... ;D ;D ;D... |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/17 at 17:02:47 Why don't people know the history they were alive to see? If you're not in your sixties, you may have missed it. I didn't. I WATCHED the schools decline. I saw it as a series of bad decisions, acknowledged as failures, but, instead of Undoing the " Mistake ", they just demanded more money for more change, and they sabotaged our schools. A few years ago I found a documentary series and a book by a D.C. insider, who confirmed my observations were correct. The Same Game has been played on us in health care. Things were fine. I was carrying a BCBS card, about$35.00/month..But SOMEONE declared the health care system was broken. And the answer was HMOs, which led to great disaster, so Surely the same nameless, faceless GENIUSES who repaired it before should be entrusted with it now. The GOVERNMENT is being used to screw us. The next answer will be worse unless we go Back to the Pre HMO way. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by eau de sauvage on 02/27/17 at 17:27:45 Hilariously the Republicans have been salivating and telling anyone who cares how eager and determined they are to replace Obama's health care package. Now they have the chance they don't know what to do, not a frikken clue. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/17 at 17:40:03 It's as if they never dreamed that they would ever actually have the power to do something about it. They have had PLENTY of time to formulate a plan. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex Post by oldNslow on 02/27/17 at 18:40:17 The one thing that was done, by Trump, that for reasons that I don't understand, got almost no attention, is that he effectively sh*t-canned the mandate to buy insurance or pay a tax penalty. The IRS will now ignore line 61 on your 1040 and process the return even if you don't check the box saying you have health insurance, or indicate what you paid for it. Of course that doesn't help folks that want and need insurance, but at least it no longer appears that folks who don't want or cannot afford to buy are going to be penalised. It's a bit of an end-run around the law because the requirement is still on the books, and the IRS could chose to go after folks who don't check the box at some later date, but since they are going to go ahead and process the returns, and issue refunds, rather than flagging those returns, I suspect that won't happen. At least until the whole mess gets repealed or revamped or whatever congress eventually does. And at that point it may not matter anyway. At least for the 2016 tax year. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-15/irs-deals-major-blow-obamacare-mandate |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by Trippah on 02/27/17 at 19:27:02 If you bother to listen, and I won't, they are considering tax credits for healthcare insurance. OMG, you mean the few that can actually afford to pay the premiums will get help from UNCLE. Those poor fricken billionaires, it's tough with all the tax breaks they get. I get all misty worrying about them. ;D ;D ;D ;D To pay, we will reduce Medicaid because it is for the poor and goodness knows that's wasting money better spend on a third Mercedes. We already spend more on "defense" than the next ten nations combined; obviously not enough we should increase the budget 10% We'll take the money from the public schools so we can have a large population of illiterates who will volunteer for the military rather than voluntarily starving. Do not want to run out of cannon fodder. Of course, we will start providing money for school vouchers so the wealthy can afford their private school system. Sometimes it just makes me proud to be an American. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by WebsterMark on 02/27/17 at 19:37:37 Clearly Hopey-Change had no idea since he managed to screw the pooch. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/27/17 at 19:58:23 04223920203138500 wrote:
Yeah, and just knowing all that democracy was spread, blessing the lives of so many, just makes me get all misty. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by oldNslow on 02/27/17 at 20:12:15 JOG wrote: Quote:
Exactly. It's easy being the opposition party; particularly if you don't have the power to actually accomplish anything and thus don't really have to try, The Democrats should celebrate and take advantage of a four year vacation where they just have to keep shouting No! No! No! and can't be blamed for anything that happens. The Repubs on the other hand don't know whether to sh*t-or-go-blind, cause they are fixin' to get blamed for everything. They don't like that much 'cause they know deep in their weaseley little hearts that they are going to deserve all the scorn that comes their way. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by buster6315 on 02/27/17 at 22:04:56 516364757263744B67746D060 wrote:
As a small business owner my wife and I had healthcare coverage we liked. Along comes Obama. 'If you like your healthcare you can keep it' He told that lie how many times? So, guess what? Yep, our healthcare company was forced out of business, because they did not meet the requirements of Obamacare! Thank you very much! Politicians! Bunch of selfish, elitist, hypocrites. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by Serowbot on 02/27/17 at 22:52:49 Wow,.. I'm actually surprised to see the resulting replies... Except for Web,... we seem to agree that healthcare costs are beyond the reach of normal citizens without some kind of agreed upon control... Just today,.. a TV health guru, 52 yr old, had a massive coronary, while exercising at the gym... this might bankrupt many people... and it often does in America... We don't choose where or when or how to be assaulted by a health crisis. Healthcare is the single most screwed up thing in the American governmental system.. the number one reason for bankruptcy... Now,.. just for moment. set aside politics and consider this... In most 1st world, civilized countries, healthcare is the number 1 most cherished thing citizens appreciate from their government... Yes,.. it does cost money... but it gives benefits... Reduced costs... because every doctor, hospital, etc, must participate in order to have customers... Will it reduce innovation?.. NO... Contrary to popular belief,... many innovations come from countries with NHS... Will Doctors quit?... NO... believe it or doctors exist in NHS countries.. and they make very good livings... ..and costs are 1/3... through taxes for average people... the very rich pay more, the poor pay nothing or very little... in shared taxes... not based on unfortunate genetics or luck... just on ability to contribute... How many people here, are working at their jobs solely to keep their health benefits?... a lot... These people might have a great idea that would revolutionize some industry, or create some product that would employ thousands and make them billions... but they daren't risk losing their healthcare for their or their families sake... It is stifling...and terrifying... Other countries don't have this restriction... Your money is yours... if you save... you can freely pursue a dream, without fear of financial devastation from some unforeseeable medical malady... Consider The Donald... he has never faced this.... no medical crisis could ever take him down, from birth on... ...(it's like being born with bionic underwear)... Risk is easy... when risk is limited to going back to where you started.... In America,... risk is going beyond back, to losing everything.... Security in health can spur entrepreneurship and innovation... How many brilliant ideas have stifled by financial terror?... How much of this,... is the rich keeping everyone else down?... How much of this is them knowing their power is not in their superior intellects, or skills, but in their birthright?... Really,... we aren't all stupid poor... some are terrified poor... So many ideas are crushed by the need for security. When you fight for freedom... it ain't about lower taxes.... It's about the freedom and security, including health,... to risk being a success... Healthcare = freedom... Fear = oppression... Sounds kind of,... commie... and maybe it is, just bit... ...but it's civilized... in way that that the money empowered don't want you to realize... The money you have accrued, should be empowering,... not causing anxiety..... It's like,.. Bill Gates had one chance, when he was teenager with no responsibility in his parents garage, to create a mega industry... Had he been 30... that window closed... In most civilized countries.. with an NHS... that window is more open... That is freedom... It's not risk without penalty... but it is a more tolerable risk. Back to square one,.. instead of.. up that creek without a paddle.. We are at an international economic disadvantage... without the security of a health parachute... That's a hard math to figure... but how many ideas have you cast aside for security?... :-?... |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by WebsterMark on 02/28/17 at 07:00:14 whoa horsey! who are you and what did you do with sew? a long and detailed post with no snide attacks? ! I hope he didn't suffer. And if you're looking to unload his bike, I'll take it from you, assuming that you use it for your getaway. But in all seriousness, a good post. Lots of information there to reply to. Unfortunately I have to bring home the bacon for a while but I will get back to you. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by pg on 02/28/17 at 08:36:38 Bot brought up many valid concerns; although, who is going to pay for everything? I don't claim to have all the answers, just a prudent point of view. Ya don't hear the left taking responsibility for bammy care and you want them to have total control of everything. Anything the gov gives can take it away. Ayn was correct! Best regards, |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex Post by Serowbot on 02/28/17 at 10:02:40 Pg,.. the point is, we all pay for it now, in one way or another... Through your private HMO insurance or as a work benefit,.. plus Medicare, and in added costs for treatment of uninsured that can't pay themselves... Hospitals don't eat those costs, they pass them on to all patients, causing your premiums to go up... We all pay... it's just not an efficient way to do it. That's why our healthcare costs 3 to 5 times as much as countries with an NHS.. People in countries with an NHS pay for healthcare too... they just pay through taxes... What difference does it make, if the care is good and the cost is less?... Stats show NHS systems give better care, have healthier people, and longer lives... for less money. Making profit from treating illness does not inspire cures... The medical industry wants us to run like broke down jalopies... always needing treatment... ;D |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by Trippah on 02/28/17 at 10:27:47 Ser - use is spot on. A single payer system is much better for the vast majority. Only the v eddy rich might suffer, and I suspect there is a whole system of care for them. Yes, the role out of ACA was a disaster, combining the worst of two systems, but congress (NOT OBAMA) would have it no other way. Unfortunately, the Veterans Administration Hospital system does not lend itself to warm fuzzy feelings about the competence of a single entity. I add this as the VA medical system should be included in our general health care system, no left to be neglected. Medicaid might be expanded to all, or Medicare perhaps (with some sort of controlling of pharmaceutical costs). I have no problem paying 5% of my income for health insurance, it is almost there (not including copays for drugs, and hearing aids etc) My general income tax functionally is .097865% of taxable income, so that's 15% of income total for some basic security. A good deal if I may say so (and unfortunately that general income tax is used for some truly awful purposes). |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by WebsterMark on 02/28/17 at 10:38:32 First things first; the title of this thread:"Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Actually, everyone did, but Obama and Democratic Congress pushed it through quickly. Almost everyone predicted the disaster we are faced with now. Complains about Trump working through the process to come up with a plan are like complaining about a contractor you brought in to fix the mess the previous contractor made. Now, you could say that's water under the bridge. Not necessary to place blame because it doesn't change the situation we're in now. While that's true in some cases, not here. Blame needs to be clearly placed at the feet of the former administration and any current members of Congress who supported it. The reason why is they've revealed they don't really care about actually solving the issue, they wanted the victory and a club to beat Republicans with. Let's agree on that first. Second, read again what buster wrote. He's a small business owner who got screwed. Doesn't sound like it went well for Buster. Luckily for me, my company is on a tear the past few years so they absorbed about 1.2 million out of 1.5 million cost increase. It didn't effect me, not yet anyway. Not everyone is so lucky and I realize that. So, we clearly can't keep Obamacare going. Companies are pulling out, cost going up, it's a disaster. *Consider The Donald... he has never faced this.... no medical crisis could ever take him down, from birth on... ...(it's like being born with bionic underwear)... Risk is easy... when risk is limited to going back to where you started.... In America,... risk is going beyond back, to losing everything....* And when you say stuff like that, what value does that have? By the time Obama began coming up with Obamacare, he to knew he'd never, ever face a financial or medial crisis so whatever point you are trying to make is ridiculous. Move on. Question is, what next? Your description of European healthcare, the commitment of doctors, bright future for innovations, reduced cost. Those are pie in the sky dreams, but they are simply not true. It's not. It defies logic. How can taking the profit motive out of a system bring innovation? How can it attract the best minds? Show me how the VA system reduces cost, attracts the best doctors and creates innovations. You can't. And I won't even bring up the most logical and truthful outcome of government healthcare which is rationed care based upon perceived value of the patient. And if you deny that, then there really isn't any point of discussing anything with you. I've been to VA hospitals to visit church members. I don't want to go to a VA hospital. Okay, long rant. The point is, government run healthcare in the US would be a financial disaster and from a patient care point of view, a bigger disaster. But again, what next? Where do we go from here? |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by Serowbot on 02/28/17 at 10:38:58 I do like the idea of a personal co-pay, even with a single pay system... Some countries with "free" healthcare find it abused by those that would go to the doctor rather than pay for a bottle of aspirin... something like $20 per visit for all but the most needy is affordable and would help prevent abuse of the system, also reducing the tax burden. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by T And T Garage on 02/28/17 at 12:50:58 Ya think????? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jwKPgNJGyk[/media] |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by T And T Garage on 02/28/17 at 15:21:41 Another great teardown of trump's "plan". Too bad it's only been viewed almost 4 million times... what a loser this guy is.... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEGpriv2TAc[/media] |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by MnSpring on 02/28/17 at 19:13:32 Don’t go to a Doctor Often. BUT, Have been, FORCED, to get a H.C. Plan. (As Per Wanna Be KING bam a) Twisted a ankle, just was not, getting better like it should, Went to a Doctor, (Had this Expensive H,C, Now, because I HAD TO, per, Wanna Be KING, bam a) So why not use it So X-Rays, Bla Bla, Bla, (nothing broke just a big twist), And, “As long as you have not been here is a while, we are going to take blood” So is was discovered, ’Thyroid’, needed some pills. DOCTOR, wrote a 90 pills, (One a day), INSURANCE COMPANY, (Thanks bam a) said: “Only 30 Pills”, at a Time, (Which, ‘co-pay’, was, ONLY, 10% LESS, (if purchased outright), than the CO-PAY) Again Thanks, bam a. Now, more blood tests, had to tweak the meds a little, and DOCTOR, wrote ANOTHER 90 Pill prescription. and the Insurance Company, STILL, did ONLY 30 DAYS, (So the, ’co-pay’, would cover the outright Cost of those) Canada is Cheaper, Mexico is is Whole lot Cheaper But Hey, bam a, thank you, you have done such a wonderful job of getting your, ‘KICK-BACKS’ !!!!!!!!!!!!! . So when the dose is settled, It will be CHEAPER, going out of Country to buy, than, ‘co-pay’. Again, thank you so much bam a; (And, Gov, ‘ goofy’) HC in the USA, is the BEST. (Gee Why does everyone else come here) BUT, when it is, FORCED, it becomes a nothing more than a, ‘KICK-BACK’, to the people that say you, HAVE TO ! (Yea, that's right, 'Experienced Reality", is NOT really 'real', according to T&T !!!) |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by T And T Garage on 03/01/17 at 08:59:26 Some people are just ignorant and stubborn. Oh well... Their loss when trump repeals and doesn't replace. Good luck with "access" - LOL. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by WebsterMark on 03/02/17 at 04:50:16 If he repeals and doesn't replace, things will go back to the way they were before and we can start reform again and make incremental changes that actually accomplish something. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by T And T Garage on 03/02/17 at 15:23:46 122027363120370824372E450 wrote:
LOL - accomplish???? Oh, like the skyrocketing bankruptcies due to health care debt, people literally dying for care, rate hikes constantly in the double digits, zero actual coverage on cheap plans, pre-existing condition denials, zero out-of-network coverage, drug costs completely unchecked, etc., etc... yeah, that's a lot better than what we have now... smh |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by MnSpring on 03/02/17 at 16:43:51 How does, ‘Bankruptcy work”. Her ya go, do this. Buy a house a $400.000.00, on a 96-4% Loan, (Owe 96%, have 4% Equity) Now, buy a car at $50.000.00, on payments. And buy, Toys, Toys Toys, (MC’s, Boats, Jet Skies, Other Cars, on and on and on and on) Run up Debt, any place you can. (All While having a job, and Lying, to the Banker) Now, DECLARE, Bankruptcy. Your house, and one car, (of course the $50,000.00 one which you paid 3,000.00 down on) Is NOW, Instantly, DEBT FREE. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The rest of your ’toys’, you must ’surrender’. BUT, you Hide them, or you LIE, and told the Trustee, you sold them, and spent that money, gambling at a, ’Sovereign Nation Casino’, (INDIAN) SO, When the dust settles, You have ALL your TOYS, AND you house and car, FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE What a heck of a deal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some, (Very FEW), get caught, (Like the car dealer, Denny Hecker, who is now in Jail) But that is, VERY FEW. So, that is the way, to Cheat, Steel , Lie, and Get FREE !!!!!!!!!!!! That, boat, you bought, (etc etc. etc). Those people that LOST, money, as to your Lying, Cheating, Dishonesty) Will NOW, charge MORE, for that thing. Who Pays ??????????? Gee, kinna like Health Care. Someone, (who PAYS NOTHING, Because EVERYONE ELSE Pays) has a headache goes to a Emergency ward. (For FREEEEEEEEE) While someone, who has a deep cut in their hand, and needs stitches, can Pay, 1000’s of dollars. JUST, so the, ‘Headache Person’ can get a aspirin for FREEEEEEEEE !!!!! Ya want, ‘FREE’, HC for Everybody? Do this, PAY 40+% of your wages in Taxes, AND, STOP, Defending EVERY, ‘Banana Republic”, with our Military. OR, Stop the FREELOADERS, from SUCKING, UN- Deserved, WELFARE. Pick One !!!!!! |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/02/17 at 18:46:12 This wouldn't NEED FIXED if liars in D.C.hadn't conned the idiots into supporting it. I TOLD YOU it would not work. Now, because Trump and the bubs Don't know exactly how to UNSCREW what the finger pointing bunch DEMANDED we stamp Good on and pass it, the blame goes to, the bubs. Talk about needing a reality check. In short, if You supported Bamicare, you're part of the problem. The arsonist doesn't get to criticize the fire department. Too bad your firebomb went off in your garage. I doubt the Fix will be any better. Using history as a guide, it's gonna be worse. Don't blame me. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by WebsterMark on 03/03/17 at 05:38:39 LOL - accomplish???? Oh, like the skyrocketing bankruptcies due to health care debt, people literally dying for care, rate hikes constantly in the double digits, zero actual coverage on cheap plans, pre-existing condition denials, zero out-of-network coverage, drug costs completely unchecked, etc., etc... yeah, that's a lot better than what we have now... Obamacare premiums are skyrocketing now. Where have you been? Companies are pulling out because people are only signing up when they get sick. This is the equivalent to you buying car insurance after you have an accident and the insurance company is mandated by law to cover you. Companies are not hiring people to stay away from the mandates. We've spent billions of dollars to cover 11 million people and we did it by harming the coverage of others. You read what buster wrote earlier in this thread. Do you not give a crap about Buster? Ann Coulter, an independent business woman, documented her insurance plan changed 3 times and the coverage got worse every time. She's filthy rich and can afford it. Many independent people, such as Buster, don't have that luxury. You call this progress? We went backwards. Face the reality. Obamacare failed because it was a bad idea. You want to push for a single payer healthcare systems; then do it. But don't try to put lipstick on this pig and tell everyone it's pretty. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by T And T Garage on 03/03/17 at 06:19:18 744641505746516E425148230 wrote:
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by WebsterMark on 03/03/17 at 08:45:46 Just so I'm clear, you think she's making everything up and her coverage is better and she never really lost her doctor? You think Buster made up his story? |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex Post by Serowbot on 03/03/17 at 10:13:25 Multi millionaires never loose their doctors... You know that... ::) What do you think?... Someone took him away from her?... ;D She could buy her doctor... |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by WebsterMark on 03/03/17 at 10:26:56 Sure they could, but they still have insurance, even if it's only used in extreme circumstances. And you're right, Ann could probably pay a retainer and have a doctor on call 24/7 if she wanted. Read her story about her Obamacare experience. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by T And T Garage on 03/03/17 at 10:53:24 605255444352457A56455C370 wrote:
Not at all, I'm just saying that ann coulter is not trustworthy and is a right wing political hack. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by Serowbot on 03/03/17 at 11:19:31 023037262130271834273E550 wrote:
Whole cloth... I don't think there's an ACA bracket for top 1% earners... They just buy insurance if they want it... So, if she had any experience with healthcare, it wasn't ACA Obamacare. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by WebsterMark on 03/03/17 at 12:41:26 So she's lying? Made the entire thing up? |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by T And T Garage on 03/03/17 at 12:58:56 546661707766714E627168030 wrote:
I never said that... but here's a few quotes from her... you'll see why she's far from trustworthy: “There’s a cultural acceptance of child rape in Latino culture that doesn’t exist in even the most dysfunctional American ghettos. When it comes to child rape, the whole family gets involved.” “A lot of people are upset when I talk about Mexican child rapes, Muslims clitorectomies, Muslim honor killings…white people don’t do that. America is not used to these types of crimes. We are bringing in cultures where child rape is very common.” “These unaccompanied children (anchor babies) we [America] have, you know, hundreds of these [immigrants] being reported they have never seen a flushed toilet before. It is simply a fact; we are bringing in peasant cultures.” “If we don’t cut off bringing in millions and millions of these very backward cultures, we won’t have America again.” “I’ve never understood the argument ‘we’re going to war for oil.’ We need oil. Why shouldn’t we go to war for oil, we need it…drop a nuc, daisy cutter, it doesn’t matter.” “If we took away women’s right to vote, we’d never have to worry about another democrat president. It’s kind of a pipe dream. It’s a personal fantasy of mine.” “It’s going to be a thousand years of darkness if this country stops being this country and we just become a second Mexico, which is where we’re heading right now. “In 1960 whites were 90% of the country. The census bureau recently estimated that whites already account for less than two-thirds of the population and will be a minority by 2050. Other estimates put that day much sooner. One may assume the new majority will not be such compassionate overlords as the white majority has been.” “This is a country created by white people…I am a Native because I am a descendant from settlers.” “30% of them [pre-19th century immigrants] used to go home, now they go on welfare…collecting government assistance: foodstamps, housing aid, schooling.” yeah.... she's a great resource to "objectively" evaluate the AVA.... |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by WebsterMark on 03/03/17 at 13:33:31 Prove one factually incorrect. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by T And T Garage on 03/03/17 at 14:21:53 4B797E6F68796E517D6E771C0 wrote:
“There’s a cultural acceptance of child rape in Latino culture" - WHAT??? Not even a coherent thought - plain stupidity. "It is simply a fact; we are bringing in peasant cultures.” - there are no stats that exist to support that statement. None. "Why shouldn’t we go to war for oil, we need it…drop a nuc, daisy cutter, it doesn’t matter.” Do you honestly support that moronic statement???? “It’s going to be a thousand years of darkness if this country stops being this country and we just become a second Mexico, which is where we’re heading right now." - again, another stupid statement - you support that thought???? "In 1960 whites were 90%" - 85% in '65 and down to 83% in '69 If we took away women’s right to vote, we’d never have to worry about another democrat president - not "wrong", just stupid - lol “This is a country created by white people…I am a Native because I am a descendant from settlers.” - LMAO!!!! That's actually NO DIFFERENT than supporting anchor babies - that's how stupid she is!!! “30% of them [pre-19th century immigrants] used to go home, now they go on welfare…collecting government assistance: foodstamps, housing aid, schooling.” - no stats, no facts - just rhetoric. But hey, if you want to support the likes of ann coulter, then you have no right to criticize someone else supporting the likes of al sharpton or david duke. Let's keep it real, huh? |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by WebsterMark on 03/03/17 at 15:03:21 ok, so you can't. coulda saved yourself some typing. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by T And T Garage on 03/06/17 at 12:09:11 5E6C6B7A7D6C7B44687B62090 wrote:
LMAO!!! Really? Well, I guess that's how trump got elected.... good old fashioned ignorance.... |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by pg on 03/06/17 at 17:25:55 I believe Hillary used the 'deplorables'. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by T And T Garage on 03/06/17 at 20:22:55 7D6A6C606F7F0D0 wrote:
Yep -if the shoe fits, wear it. Look at the serial tweeter and how he is degrading the office of president.... pretty deplorable if you ask me. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/08/17 at 21:39:30 Uhh, yeah, the office of the president is just So HONORED.. phhht, America is sick to death of the measured, calculated politician speak. Americans Wanted a Guy, not a cardboard cutout. I wish the screaming snowflakes would see how they should treat Their President.. What a load of rubbish, He's tarnishing the respectability of the office, ohh Give it a Rest. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by WebsterMark on 03/09/17 at 07:37:52 A man who tweets tarnishes it more than a man who coerced a girl into playing with a cigar in the oval? More than a man who sent his Secu of State out to lie about how 4 embassy staff died? Really? |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by T And T Garage on 03/09/17 at 11:18:31 566463727564734C60736A010 wrote:
Yes to the cigar - it was behind closed doors (and many presidents did far worse - keep it real). Clinton was a womanizer, but he was - for the most part - discreet. No on Benghazi... how many inquiries/hearings will it take to get the facts through to the likes of you?? There simply was no malice - mistakes on all sides. Seriously - get over it. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by T And T Garage on 03/09/17 at 11:22:25 706F696E73744575457D6F63281A0 wrote:
LOL - so nice of you to lower your standards to boost trump... Let's see if you sing that same tune when it's found that he was in business dealings with russia all throughout his campaign (why else wouldn't he release his taxes?). You think it's a coincidence that he nominated a former exxon chief to SOS?? That guy is literally worth hundreds of billions of dollars to the russians - watch and see! |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/09/17 at 17:17:31 I haven't lowered my standards. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by pg on 03/09/17 at 17:24:54 3B252A2B263B203D4F0 wrote:
Yeah discreet enough, yet he was impeached. How about that, does he still have a licence to practice law? Best regards, |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/09/17 at 17:28:38 Ask Juanita Broderick about how discreet he was. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by pg on 03/09/17 at 18:22:05 [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSrNUmcVjHA[/media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSrNUmcVjHA Best regards, |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/09/17 at 20:07:11 Clinton raped them. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex Post by T And T Garage on 03/10/17 at 06:06:54 4F585E525D4D3F0 wrote:
Yeah discreet enough, yet he was impeached. How about that, does he still have a licence to practice law? Best regards,[/quote] [color=#0000ff]LMAO - and look at the people who impeached him - hastert?? Getting hand jobs in bathrooms from boys.... newt - cheating on his wife while she dies of cancer.... BWAAHAAHAAHAAHAAH!!!! |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by Trippah on 03/10/17 at 06:14:59 Yeah, they couldn't get Clinton on all the crappola like tweety does, so they went after him for being a sexually active male outside the marriage contract. Given all the invective that the repubs have thrown at Hillary, the honest response to the situation would have been "I can see why." :D :D :D :D And what is the common thought on Senators, oh yeah, they turn over a new page every year. Those born again Bible thumpers, "My rod comforts me" and I'll comfort you. Now in Alabama (or is it Arkansas) they are going to impeach the Governor because of his sexual activity. Why can't people stay out of other people's bedrooms? |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by Trippah on 03/10/17 at 06:23:19 We will never get a honest report on Bhenghazi; they were doing CIA activities and the DOD didn't want to shift resources. So much blame, and Hillary thought if she took one for the team, she'd be the next Pres. HAHAHAHHAH. I hate Tweety but am glad HRC is out to pasture for now. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by Trippah on 03/10/17 at 06:30:41 I am not sure why, when the Tweety said, he was going to simplify the tax code, that the Congress is looking to use tax credits to pay for "Obamalite." Oh , I forgot, the wealthy can then pay for their best care programs and have them subsidized by us. Like the school voucher system that will come out soon, so they can keep their children away from the "others" The working poor will take in the chops, insuring that their meager pay wont cover their expenses and they will remain debtors to the banks, who will own their sorry azzes (like school, car and hone loans so now). Can't pay people enough so they don't have to be forever in debt. QWHY? A: The wealthy won't be able to have their 4 million dollars paintings, stable of half million dollar cars in their 4-5 homes spead across the globe. They need the tax credits, poor billionaires. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/10/17 at 15:35:46 5C424D4C415C475A280 wrote:
Yeah discreet enough, yet he was impeached. How about that, does he still have a licence to practice law? Best regards,[/quote] [color=#0000ff]LMAO - and look at the people who impeached him - hastert?? Getting hand jobs in bathrooms from boys.... newt - cheating on his wife while she dies of cancer.... BWAAHAAHAAHAAHAAH!!!![/quote] Dirt on someone else doesn't make Clinton Not a rapist. Plenty of D.C.occupiers who belong in jail. Bwahaahaahaa. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex Post by T And T Garage on 03/10/17 at 19:00:09 7A656364797E4F7F4F77656922100 wrote:
Yeah discreet enough, yet he was impeached. How about that, does he still have a licence to practice law? Best regards,[/quote] [color=#0000ff]LMAO - and look at the people who impeached him - hastert?? Getting hand jobs in bathrooms from boys.... newt - cheating on his wife while she dies of cancer.... BWAAHAAHAAHAAHAAH!!!![/quote] Dirt on someone else doesn't make Clinton Not a rapist. Plenty of D.C.occupiers who belong in jail. Bwahaahaahaa. [/quote] I never said he was innocent - all along, I've just pointed out the hypocrisy of the GOP - that's all. Sorry - you can't deny that - BWAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAAAA |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by pg on 03/11/17 at 05:09:23 You provided a veiled omission - "for the most he was discreet." I never tried to deny the Hastert, Gingrich, or the GOP weren't low-lifes. Best regards, |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/11/17 at 05:45:18 Actually, it felt a lot more like. My guy is okay, because your guy is dirtier. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by WebsterMark on 03/12/17 at 05:28:57 Yes to the cigar - it was behind closed doors (and many presidents did far worse - keep it real). Clinton was a womanizer, but he was - for the most part - discreet Just wondering TT, if a college professor or perhaps even the president of a university, had an affair with a young co-ed who was an intern in his office, but kept it discreet as you say, would you be okay with that? |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex Post by Serowbot on 03/12/17 at 09:06:04 Ohio says 1 million Ohioans will lose their healthcare, and 25% of hospitals will shut down under Trumpcare... How is that fixing anything? Will you mind, an extra 30 minute ambulance ride and an overcrowded ER, when you have a heart attack?... |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/12/17 at 09:42:50 Why don't you understand? It's Not Meant to FIX it. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex Post by WebsterMark on 03/12/17 at 10:24:30 5147504D55404D56220 wrote:
So you believe those predictions but when the predictions (which have come true) about Obamacare were made, they were to be ignored. I'm holding on specific comments as I've not read up on it yet. I know enough to not believe what the talking heads say, that's for sure. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by Serowbot on 03/12/17 at 10:54:18 You can hold until it's too late. Estimates are 15 million will lose care,... hospitals will close,... costs will rise. Doctors, hospitals, and medical experts are against it. We need a national health... we don't need a system that charges the sick and elderly 5 times as much for access to care. We will all be sick and old eventually. That's how life works. Unless our bikes take us out the fast way. :-? |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 03/12/17 at 11:46:13 So you believe those predictions but when the predictions (which have come true) about Obamacare were made, they were to be ignored. Laughed at, blamed on ignorance and racism. Still, no, Gee, you guys were right. Wouldn't NEED Fixed if certain people hadn't been so determined that it was a good idea. Again, for the people who believe socialism works, there is no free lunch. A healthy and prosperous society makes it easy for people to provide for themselves. And, because there have been, are, and always will be poor people, it's time to remember something. In a thriving and prosperous society CHARITY flows from people to the needy, Not because some government stole half of someone's earnings and redistributed it, but because of the basic kindness of people. The left seem to believe that without the gun in the ribs that a government uses to force charity, and Feed very Well the bureaucrats who Administer that program, without that gun in my ribs, I wouldn't help anyone. Hmm, maybe they have no faith in others, because they Know that They wouldn't give squat out of their pocket. |
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Title: Re: "Nobody knew healthcare was so complex"... Post by WebsterMark on 03/12/17 at 15:27:21 4E584F524A5F52493D0 wrote:
Sorry, not buying the BS. 15 million will not lose care. At best, 15 million will go back to how things were before. Doctors, hospitals and medical experts.... as if they are all on the same page. I doubt that's true also. And why exactly will the sick and elderly pay 5 times as much? explain. I've not read it but apparently you have so explain. Is Medicare being eliminated? |
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