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Title: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless??? Post by wakosama on 02/11/17 at 08:30:10 so it's not working again... this time gas is leaking out of the right side drain hose????? just got the belt adjusted, totally rewired the starter to disengage again replaced the battery, rode it 5 miles two weeks ago just as the rain started, to feel it run and now it's disfunctional again. really not pleased with this motorcycle. Pretty much overwhelmed by the little nitty stupid crap that keeps it off the road. >:( >:( >:( never ending saga of SSDD... not a bike I can recommend to a beginner or tired oldster. Seems like you gotta have a life time of mechanical widsom to keep it going. not a bike to jump on and ride away. just my experience... so it's never been a good ride for me. sorry folks the dream won't let me in play no matter how hard I want in the game. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by Kenny G on 02/11/17 at 08:33:43 Osama, Don't give up yet. Have you changed to The Raptor Petcock? Kenny G |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/11/17 at 10:23:27 Doesn't Springman live in Spring? |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by Ruttly on 02/11/17 at 18:12:03 Yes he does , they need to hook up and get this guy some help. Sounds like he needs to RIDE ! |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 02/12/17 at 12:42:41 Flipped it to 'RES', dripping went away. Am finding Raptor... Harley mufflers have been found too. Building work stand. I'll call Springman to 'approve' when I'm done. He helped last year with the starter problem. Thanks. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/17 at 13:00:32 I don't think I'd ask someone to come over after it's done. You're frustrated and not exactly winning. You might be ahead to make contact, set up a time, and have some supervision, extra hands and eyes, |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by buster6315 on 02/12/17 at 20:06:30 Don't give up the ship! You've got one piston, one carb, one fuel valve. Don't let the small stuff get you down. Tackle one problem at a time. I believe when you cure your situations, this bike will be a swing-the-leg-over and ride at will. (Now you take a 1400 Intruder with two carbs to sychronize, now that's a chore! And of course, you've got to install your star washers also) |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by springman on 02/13/17 at 11:21:25 Hey Wakosama, I'm not the expert but like JOG said I would be more than willing to lend a hand. I still have the original petcock but I did put an HD muffler on the bike last year I think. The only time the bike let me down it was a dead battery. I am approaching 24,000 miles on the odometer and am quite happy with the bike. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by jcstokes on 02/13/17 at 23:54:32 Springman, another few miles and you'll be in Serowbot's Hall of Fame. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by Dave on 02/14/17 at 04:13:59 Sounds like another case of stock vacuum petcock failure......what year is the bike? (We have tried to warn you in advance that the stock petcock is a failure waiting to happen). |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by springman on 02/14/17 at 08:53:13 Yeah JC, if only I could get some rides in. Seems like lately it is 6-8 miles to the gym and back on Saturdays and not much more. I'd like to hit 25K before the Oklahoma trip. If not I will surely hit that and more on that trip. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by springman on 02/14/17 at 08:56:57 Hey Wakosama, now that I think about it, how does riding to Oklahoma to visit Lancer sound to you? The trip is scheduled for May. I do not remember the exact week at the moment but if you are interested I can look it up. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 02/25/17 at 07:35:02 cooler today. installed raptor... pic. :) |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by LANCER on 02/25/17 at 10:59:07 4447455E59505A5659370 wrote:
It is scheduled for the 22-27 of May but you can arrive earlier and stay later if you wish. Arriving on Fri. or Sat. the 19th or 20th is fine. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 04/09/17 at 04:08:22 Now the whole garage smells like gas. Two days after Raptor install the gas cap started leaking. so I shimmed it per the tech... and now there is leak. no wet gas anywhere, just fumes. or maybe a film of gas maybe at the Raptor.... so reread the Raptor install guidance again twice. there's no reference to a gasket. so it just sits there stinking... Was there supposed to be a gasket under the Raptor???? no mention in the tech. screws are tight... so now what????? really folks you expect me to ride the to OK when it won't even get me out of the neighborhood. Just goes to show I'm still stupid enough to keep believing. What's the definition of insanity? doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. I actually expected the bike to run a few miles before it broke again. was about 55miles. thanks for the insanity. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by Dave on 04/09/17 at 04:50:08 The stock petcock and the Raptor have an O-ring seal, and it seals against the bottom of the tank. Also the screws use special washers that have a rubber seal to keep the fuel from leaking around the head of the screws. If the bottom of your tank had peeling paint......the O-ring may not be able to seal completely. Find out where your leak is.......it really shouldn't be hard to fix. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by ohiomoto on 04/09/17 at 04:50:27 There is a black rubber gasket under the raptor. It should have been there when you installed it. If it wasn't there, you could probably use the stock gasket. (But it has to fit properly for it to work.) Or maybe it's there and you didn't realize it? Sounds like you really need to make friends with someone who is mechanically inclined. Most of these things aren't rocket science. They are more common sense for many of us who grew up fixing things or had parents who taught us how to work on things. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by Gary_in_NJ on 04/09/17 at 06:33:36 There is a rubber perimeter gasket that goes between the fuel valve and the gasket. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 04/09/17 at 09:12:07 did the Raptor no problem. installed everything that was there. no big gaskets coming off or going on, what was part of the petcocks that I saw. rode 80 filled up and... then the gas cap started leaking.... so I cleaned it, blew the vents and shimmed the cap gasket, and then it started smelling. so I redid the cap gasket shim from an oil bottle and recleaned the vents and reinstalled it per the pictures. no pics of the gas cap in CD that I could find. and this never happened until the raptor so it's something new too. have a blessed day. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by batman on 04/09/17 at 14:14:26 Is the gas cap leaking?is gas running down the tank? if not ,you just filled the tank ,the gas comes from a tank under ground at 55 degrees ,you fill the tank in the sun and heat of Texas, the gas warms ,creating pressure and fumes that vent out of the tank through the gas cap,if that's what you smell it's normal. It never happened before because any pressure that built up in the tank leaked out your stock petcock. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/09/17 at 18:33:35 And ya can't fill it up into the tube. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 04/10/17 at 06:21:02 Thanks everyone. it's obvious now I messed up the raptor install. the leak was back underneath and just a seep at first. No rubber gasket in the package though, and of course I threw away the old petcock. Assuming I did forgot the rubber gasket, or damaged it, where do I get another one? Can I use the 'mega' black RTV stuff? Now, this is at least the third time I've messed up, and I'm wondering if I should be doing this? worried about the next thing I'll forget being more serious, and it's not so easy to fix people. So, drain tank and check the raptor is all I can think of now... at least it might be cooler today |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by Dave on 04/10/17 at 06:58:42 Don't use RTV - it is not fuel proof and gasoline quickly dissolves it. The O-ring should have been on the petcock - it is not loose, it sits in a recessed channel and only sticks up a little bit. You probably didn't notice it - but it likely was already in the petcock. I you need a new O-ring - it is part number 4X8-24512-00-00, and you can get it at any Yamaha dealer on online parts seller. http://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/2002-yamaha-raptor-660r-yfm660rp/o/m145738#sch251092 |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 04/10/17 at 08:24:25 Gasket/O-ring was in the groove, looked fine, cleaned the tank opening several times [a paint chip?] , tightened it up, half a tank back in. waiting... for the rain to stop too. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 04/10/17 at 15:51:01 My first savage leaked. I shimmed the cap rubber and sanded the ring it lands on. Mask around inside the filler neck, plug it up sagging in. A hard flat block and some 220 grit. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by gizzo on 04/11/17 at 21:54:08 My Raptor came with no o ring either. Made a cork gasket from the sprue part of a small block rocker cover gasket and all's well. Cork loves fuel. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 04/12/17 at 06:52:33 the leak is at the petcock/tank. took it apart again. chamfered the tank openings, cleaned off the loose paint twice, sanded it smooth. refit the petcock, used and extra washer in case the bolt had bottomed out, carefully put it all together tight, with a cup of gas. also have done the cap again and it passes air freely thru the vents, and I did flip the cap gasket over. seemed dry last nite. wet gas this am. really not understainnding |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by ohiomoto on 04/12/17 at 07:04:56 Okay, it sounds like you are doing the right things. Are you sure your tank isn't leaking on a seam near the petcock? Or is the petcock leaking around the lever? |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by Dave on 04/12/17 at 07:20:13 What kind of washers are you using on the screws holding the petcock on? The washers need to have a rubber seal built into them.....the original washers do. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 04/12/17 at 07:29:36 excuse me, there was wet gas behind the raptor under the tank again, not a film. wet Seemed tight and the undamaged rubber gasket in the groove when I left it last night. I blew air thru the cap vents then and now, and they're clear. I'll have it empty, with the raptor off in a few... glad it's rainy again today. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 04/12/17 at 07:40:15 I"m using the original bolts that held the savage petcock on. the washers were just thin metal, no rubber inserts? don't know about special washers? really don't recall them at all. nothing in the parts can either??? don't know how to verify if it's tank seam is leaking. the gas is behind the raptor not in front at the lever. But it sounds like I got a washer problem??? Never saw any rubber insert washers.? whatever, the stupids again. where can I get them... Auto parts store, ask for what?? thanks. :( |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by Dave on 04/12/17 at 07:45:25 The washers are steel - with rubber inserts. I don't think you will find them at an auto parts store....some stuff is very specific and you need to get it from Suzuki. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by ohiomoto on 04/12/17 at 07:50:16 http://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Suzuki/Motorcycle/1996/LS650P/FUEL+thingy/parts.html Alt: http://www.partzilla.com/parts/search/Suzuki/Motorcycle/1996/LS650P/parts.html # 4 in the picture. EDIT: Link not gong to the "Fuel C0ck" section for some reason. Click that then look at #4. one of the forbidden words alternate added- V1 |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 04/12/17 at 10:25:40 thanks. found some in "Humble". A lesson in that? they look like black painted washers and also available at a farther suzuki marine store. O'reily's did not have OEM or equivalent. And, In fact I was/am still using the original washers, the 12 yr old ones. The coating has sorta just given up I guess. Wonder, are these single use washers? We'll install and see soon. :-/ |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by springman on 04/12/17 at 12:02:47 Hey Wakosama, sorry to hear you are still having issues with the bike. I went for a little ride on Saturday and Sunday in the car I saw a guy on a bike that looked like a Savage and thought maybe it was you. Get that sucker working and let's go for a ride. If I can help with anything just let me know. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by zipidachimp on 04/14/17 at 03:51:26 FWIW, I've used a smear of permatex fuel-safe gasket maker on 2 raptors without any problem or leak. 8-) |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 04/16/17 at 10:02:25 Good day, Used the new OEM washers and smears of Permatex gas resistant sealant. Still no leaks, no vapors; and it runs. Thank you for all the help. We are grateful. :) Happy Easter |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 05/09/17 at 07:36:24 I got to ride it a whole Wet gas under the petcock again this am... Already installed the new OEM washers and the gas resistant sealant as advised. Blew out the cap vents. Worked for awhile... I never had this problem when the OEM petcock worked? Well.? |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by Dave on 05/09/17 at 08:10:29 When you removed the original petcock...likely the paint chipped off and now the bottom of the tank is uneven, and the O-ring can't get seated. Not sure what sealing you used - but it sounds like it worked up until the fuel softened it up. Somehow you need to get the bottom of the tank smooth where the petcock O-ring seals. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 05/09/17 at 08:32:29 I took care of abrading/cleaning tank and petcock last time. It worked since then until today. permatex gas resistant per here. no burrs. new washers. maybe it got too hot and the cap locked up again... maybe theres a leak in the tank seam that leaks under pressure... maybe your're right and I didn't clean it good enough.. I DON'T KNOW... and I'm tired and I missed the window before the rain again. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 05/09/17 at 14:05:02 So I dried off the petcock and waited. it stayed dry. BUT... it feels like the gas comes from farther under the tank, leaks down behind the petcock, then down to the lower left corner of the tank underneath where I find the wet gas... 20 min after wiping, wet gas underneath [petcock still dry]. wow... :-? so you actually did help me fix/replace the really broken petcock... and it still works. And it's something else. any other notorious leaks under the tank? LOL right? thanks |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by Gary_in_NJ on 05/09/17 at 14:19:11 Probably a crack in a weld. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by Tocsik on 05/09/17 at 14:51:56 Dang, sounds like a pain. These really are reliable little bikes. You just need to get this one sorted out. Has the bike ever been down or sustained any impact to the tank? At this point, it may be better to take the tank off, fill it with a little gas and visually inspect for the leak. With the Raptor, you don't have to drain the tank to remove it. Just turn the petc0ck off, disconnect the fuel line, unscrew the speedometer cable (careful not to lose the o-ring on there!), begin to remove the tank and reach under to disconnect the electricals. Be sure you have a place ready to set the tank down already; folded up towel or such. All this after removing the seat, of course. Put some gas in there and visually inspect for the leak. If it's a seam, it may be easier (and certainly quicker) to pick up a used one rather than get your repaired and repainted. My gas cap will leak if I get too enthusiastic and fill up into the neck. It won't leak until I tip the bike upright off the side stand. That's when I get irritated and look for the paper towels. I've gotten in the habit of pressing down on the cap while standing the bike up but it doesn't always help. I do this far too often. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by batman on 05/09/17 at 16:00:16 some rear mounting brackets on the tank have been known to break (snap ) I'd look in that area,it's near the petcock ,maybe the mount pulled away from the tank and there's a crack or pin hole leak around the weld . |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by Jarhead-CO on 05/09/17 at 23:21:41 I don't know how much disposable income you have but there are like 2 people selling tanks in the marketplace might be easier to just grab a new tank if you can strike a good deal. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 05/10/17 at 15:23:25 YEAH. IT LEAKS AROUND THE REAR BRACKET SOMEWHERE I CAN'T EXACTLY LOCATE BECAUSE I HAVE TO PUT THE TANK ON TOP OF THE BIKE TO GET IT TO LEAK???? ... NOW WHAT? HOW ABOUT SEALING IT PLEASE? ANY ADVICE ON THAT? GET ANOTHER DAMAGED TANK AND BANG ON IT? WHERE CAN GET A LARGER TANK TO FIT MAYBE? CAFE TANK? SOMETHING...???? WOW. :'( |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 05/10/17 at 16:05:40 don't really remember if this bike ever worked right completely... always something and now it's down for another month while I find a way to fix or get a new tank. wow it sure hasn't lived up to my expectations... all the claims that it is suck a great bike never came true. again.. so I gotta fix it because I'll never afford another bike. I'm stuck with it... and I can't sell it broke so I gotta fix it and then I'll lose again because it's suck a perfect machine looks so fine sitting in the garage colledting dust.... wow... I'm just so excited again |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by Eegore on 05/10/17 at 16:18:26 That's either auto-correct or some serious subconscious typing coming through there. I have three tanks coming in (used), I can give you one. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 05/10/17 at 18:28:52 thank you and I'd like to accept that. I'm gonna try to follow up here with a radiator shop to fix it local first. now I need another rubber tank/frame bumper the dog.. whatever.. I'll let you know. thanks again |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by oldNslow on 05/10/17 at 18:50:41 http://www.bikebandit.com/oem-parts/2000-suzuki-savage-650-ls650p/o/m147741#sch246234 Quote:
There are six rubber cushions. I'm not sure which one you're missing. numbers 8,10 and 12 on the diagram. Make sure you have them all when you put the repaired or replacement tank back on. Otherwise you're liable to wind up with another crack. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 05/10/17 at 18:53:38 Drain fuel down low but enough to leak, remove tank, dry it off, set it in the sun. Best if you can set it up high enough to get an eyeball up under it. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by wakosama on 05/10/17 at 19:51:09 the dog chewed a #8. The #10s are squished, No #12s... only some nylon spacers for lifting the seat................ yeah. did it again. thanks oldNslow... parts on order for the reinstall. thanks justin, the wet comes from under the right side of the bracket. just gravity is enough. but with a low tank and the bike on sidestand the leak was above the gas line inside. it didn't leak until I filled it and parked it... riding I didn't notice the leak I guess. |
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Title: Re: two years and less than 1000 miles. Worthless? Post by ohiomoto on 05/10/17 at 19:55:12 Problem solved: http://www.dimecitycycles.com/red-kote-fuel-tank-sealer-liner.html ;) |
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