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Title: in nearly a century........ Post by raydawg on 02/09/17 at 03:33:09 For years, the former president’s popularity among Democrats stifled any public critiques of his stewardship of the party — a period in which the party suffered tremendous losses at the state and local levels. But now that Obama and the political operation that succeeded his campaign, Organizing For Action, have expressed interest in playing a role in the task of rebuilding, it’s sparking pitched debates over how much blame he deserves for the gradual hollowing out of a party that now has less control of state elected positions than at any other time in nearly a century. WOW, just WOW...... How can this be? Fake news? Were the polls wrong all along re: popularity? Would popularity suggest supporting of policies and membership? Were the polls skewed because folks didn't want to appear racist? Even if the DNC Wasserman is a major cause, wouldn't he still "appear" as party leader, and parlay that popularity into votes? I just don't get it..... Something is up, maybe its a little bit of everything, the pompous entertainers who preach to us from their dysfunctional lives, dishonest journalism, bias academia, the highlighting and coddling of demonstrations and the destruction they reek..... I dunno.... I just don't see how these 100 year losses are not discernible. It ain't TRUMP, that's for sure. Nor savvy repubs and their vision for america..... Maybe its Obama being in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and folks really are just simply tired of the system that sucks the greatness away from each persons ability to be who they are.... I guess, I am back to blaming it under the umbrella of PC mentality and doctrine. When you censor and stymie dialogue, you have no clue as to what people feel and think..... And THAT might explain Trump, as he tweets every frick'n thought, even if it changes 3 tweets later??????? Not that folks agree, but it gives them a sense of not having to guess, what a person is thinking, and they find that different....... I dunno. Here is a article from Politico: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/obama-democrats-party-building-234820 |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by verslagen1 on 02/09/17 at 09:08:50 There is such a thing as closet repub's. Here in Cali, the demo's rule. Go to a trump ralley and face the gauntlet as you leave. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by raydawg on 02/09/17 at 10:03:09 5F4C5B5A45484E4C4718290 wrote:
Yeah, another Bradley Affect. But does that really explain why the left has lost so much political clout? Could you imagine if they were sans Dan Rather clones in the media...., They'd lost prolly more power. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by verslagen1 on 02/09/17 at 10:34:03 Remember the "non voting dem's"? are they non voting or closet repub's? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/09/17 at 10:56:58 It's a shame that Americans, exercising their right to free association and freedom of speech, are physically threatened. And the left cry over voter ID. People who plan to attend a function need to meet up, circle up, create a perimeter of the biggest, strongest, angriest and best prepared, with signs on Good Strong sticks, pepper spray and good boots, and march through the pisstawf snowflakes, If the cops won't control them, the ONLY option is meet fire with fire, else they become even more emboldened. What's most disturbing is They actually believe THEY are fighting against Nazis! They don't see that THEY ARE exactly what they say they oppose. But, then we are back to the delusional who can cheat and Still celebrate the victory. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/09/17 at 13:35:53 7A69716C697F6F080 wrote:
Yeah, another Bradley Affect. But does that really explain why the left has lost so much political clout? Could you imagine if they were sans Dan Rather clones in the media...., They'd lost prolly more power.[/quote] The democratic party - such that it is - deserves to lose. Just as the republican party does. Face it - the country didn't vote republican, it voted against establishment (and only slightly democratic by 2 million). Those are the facts. This country wants a new order. That doesn't mean gutting everything for the sake of gutting it. That also doesn't mean that PC behavior is going away anytime soon. Good things came out of the last 8 years - sorry repubs. Yes, a lot more could have been done and still needs to be done, but only if establishment politics is given the heave ho. Even the righties I know are sick of the likes of mitch and the partisan bunch - just like I'm sick of pelosi and reid... If you really want to know why the left has lost so much ground on the state and local level, look no farther than spending. The repubs have outspent the dems for the last 8 years. It's just that simple. True, the dems spent way more on the presidential election, but the repubs have played the long con... Their control is complete. I hope for the sake of the country that they do a good job. If our president's any indication, it doesn't look too good. I hope I'm wrong. Oh, one last thing - While I might be considered a "lib", I find it amusing that the repubs on here feel the need to bash us so hard and so often. I wonder fellas - how is it that your fecal matter doesn't stink? I'll let you in on a little secret - my first at bat, I voted for Reagan. I also voted for GHWB. I'm proud of those votes, but sorry to say, the republican party of today bares little to no resemblance to that party. Take a good look in the mirror fellas - intolerance is looking right back at you. If I had a dime fer every time someone mentioned the woes of PC or how much the libs have ruined everything on this forum, I sure as heck wouldn't be on here. lol You won't see me blaming every single thing on the repubs, or holding them accountable for everything I don't like. But the facts are, they (the repubs) have had the majority positions in Congress and at the state level for 6 years now. If things are so darned bad, why hasn't some been done about it yet? Because it isn't that simple. There are no black and white issues. It's all gray shades. What's good for some, isn't for others. Tolerance, patience, understanding, empathy, justice, hard work, forgiveness, kindness, resolve, etc., etc. - these need to be used on BOTH sides of issues. BLM, Tea Party, libs, repubs, whomever. Sorry if this rambles, but I think you get my drift. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/09/17 at 13:43:42 To put my money where my mouth is - some good news! Let's hope this continues! https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a8a5488a-a831-3512-affd-f2bc3555f324/ss_initial-jobless-claims.html |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by Trippah on 02/09/17 at 14:30:50 I know how you feel, my first vote was for Barry Goldwater, and in Massachusetts I was probably the only one. The establishment is there because that is what the big money pays for, so they can continue dinning at the public trough. What you say is true, most of us want a change because we have slowly but concretely been separated from our ever smaller earnings by proportionally greater taxes while those with money invest, rather than work, and pay a far smaller percentage tax on their "earnings." The capital gains tax favors the wealthy, the house interest deduction favors the wealthiest. Do the offspring of the wealthy serve in the military? NO, unless the family history says to, and then only in really dangerous places like the air national guard. :P |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by raydawg on 02/09/17 at 14:53:38 Yeah, I think it's the pocketbook.... The 3 million votes came in two states, very liberal, states, that set the agenda, more social issues, climate, etc, and they don't hear the folks if flyover country.... It's their elitist mindset, thinking they are saving something, while the middle class that use to be the democrat party, withers |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/09/17 at 15:40:48 Good post, TnT.. The voice of the People has been being ignored for as long as I can remember, and I was paying attention when I was 12,fifty years ago. Unpopular legislation passed, the alleged Representatives would go home to have press conferences and they would say things like Uhh, well, we just didn't have a good understanding of what the People wanted. Uhh, Voter Apathy , they didn't tell us what they wanted us to do regarding that bill. Lies, every bit of it. Today, legislation is kept secret, or, if the People find out, they have liars from both sides get on T.V. and wring their hands and hyperventilate and act all concerned, Then they announce that they have Come Together, to make the Hard Decisions, Bilaterally, and that takes the heat off of either one party. Then there's the You'll have to pass it to find out what's in it line of crap. Imagine your lawyer telling you that you need to sign a contract, but he can't tell you what's in it until you sign it. Insane, innit? And Paul Ryan promised the People that if we would give the bubs a majority that they could overturn at least 80% of Bamicare. Ohh, yes, lawsuits were filed, money spent, and OOPSIES, we couldn't win. Pro wrestling, shadow boxing, all just a show, keeping the People believing they have a say in their lives, through the miracle of a Representative Democratic Republic. A nation of Laws, and they Teach that the Constitution is the Law of the Land, but never mention that it's been shelved under the Emergency War Powers act. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by MnSpring on 02/09/17 at 16:01:40 607E71707D607B66140 wrote:
True. The, ‘MAJORITY’, of , ‘CITIZENS”, voted for. ‘We The People” (and only slightly democratic by 2 million) And someone is, "still’. counting the IL-Eagal VOTES ? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/10/17 at 12:04:37 11320F2C2E35323B5C0 wrote:
True. The, ‘MAJORITY’, of , ‘CITIZENS”, voted for. ‘We The People” (and only slightly democratic by 2 million) And someone is, "still’. counting the IL-Eagal VOTES ? [/quote] Look at me, taking the bait... oh well. Please show us all that proof of illegal voting.... Oh, that's right... you CAN'T. LOL |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by raydawg on 02/10/17 at 12:43:08 3E202F2E233E25384A0 wrote:
True. The, ‘MAJORITY’, of , ‘CITIZENS”, voted for. ‘We The People” (and only slightly democratic by 2 million) And someone is, "still’. counting the IL-Eagal VOTES ? [/quote] Look at me, taking the bait... oh well. Please show us all that proof of illegal voting.... Oh, that's right... you CAN'T. LOL [/quote] Uh careful their amigo, Jog has accused you of same on post/questions he has posed, and folk have declined to answer... Goose, gander, pot, black...... ;D |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/17 at 12:53:34 Anyone who doesn't know about the importance of the dead voting, the registration, coaching, transportation of people who are so mentally disadvantaged that they have court appointed people to watch over them, and I KNOW about that,I met a woman who required family members to discuss and figure out what she was trying to even say, but she voted, for Hillary. As did the others in her state funded home. Watch Project Veritas, Read the last one Democratic Operative Explains Voter Fraud: We've Been Bussing ... RealClearPolitics › video › 2016/10/18 Oct 18, 2016 - We've been bussing people in to deal with you crappity smackin' assholes for fifty years and we're not going to stop now. We're just going to find a different way to do it." "I think backwards from ... You visited this page on 1/23/17. We've Been Rigging Elections “for 50 Years” - The New American The New American › politics › item › 24... Oct 21, 2016 - We've been bussing people in to deal with you f*****g a******s for 50 years and we're not going to stop ... “We've Been Bussing People In For Fifty Years” | Transterrestrial ... Transterrestrial Musings › ... Oct 26, 2016 - A possible lefty reply… “You lie. It's only been 49 years!” We said it? “It's been edited by the Russians! SCOTT FOVAL BRAGS '50 YEARS OF MASS VOTER FRAUD': 'WE ... WordPress.com › 70news › 2016/10/19 Oct 19, 2016 - SCOTT FOVAL BRAGS '50 YEARS OF MASS VOTER FRAUD': 'WE'VE BEEN BUSSING PEOPLE IN ... "Rigging Elections For 50 Years" - Massive Voter Fraud Exposed By ... Zero Hedge › news › massive-voter-frau... Oct 18, 2016 - We've been busing people in to deal with you crappity smacking assholes for fifty years and we're not going to ... Second Veritas Video: DNC Operatives Admit They've Rigged ... Townhall › cortneyobrien › 2016/10/18 Oct 18, 2016 - "We've been bussing people in to deal with you f***in' assholes [Republicans] for fifty years and we're not going to stop now, we're just going to find a different way to do it,” Democratic ... It's on tape. Can you cheat to win? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/10/17 at 12:58:00 746B6D6A7770417141796B672C1E0 wrote:
I've seen all of these - everyone has. It just doesn't add up to millions - it's just that simple. Sorry.... If there was proof, it'd be all over the news, the internet, etc. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by MShipley on 02/10/17 at 13:29:02 Justin, your 62, I'm 62. For all these years they have been running on the same platforms to fix the same problems. Name something significant that has improved? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by verslagen1 on 02/10/17 at 13:55:14 332D22232E332835470 wrote:
I've seen all of these - everyone has. It just doesn't add up to millions - it's just that simple. Sorry.... If there was proof, it'd be all over the news, the internet, etc. [/quote] So it's ok as long as it's only demo's doing it? You see the tip of the iceberg and you think you see all of it. What if the iceberg is red? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/10/17 at 14:09:50 706374756A6761636837060 wrote:
I've seen all of these - everyone has. It just doesn't add up to millions - it's just that simple. Sorry.... If there was proof, it'd be all over the news, the internet, etc. [/quote] So it's ok as long as it's only demo's doing it? You see the tip of the iceberg and you think you see all of it. What if the iceberg is red? [/quote] No, I'm not defending ANY voter fraud. All I'm saying is that there simply is no proof to the claim that millions have voted fraudulently. There is no iceberg - no one can prove it. This is all that I'm saying. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by verslagen1 on 02/10/17 at 14:34:42 7F616E6F627F64790B0 wrote:
I've seen all of these - everyone has. It just doesn't add up to millions - it's just that simple. Sorry.... If there was proof, it'd be all over the news, the internet, etc. [/quote] So it's ok as long as it's only demo's doing it? You see the tip of the iceberg and you think you see all of it. What if the iceberg is red? [/quote] No, I'm not defending ANY voter fraud. All I'm saying is that there simply is no proof to the claim that millions have voted fraudulently. There is no iceberg - no one can prove it. This is all that I'm saying. [/quote] Yet we can prove that illegals can register, that they can use an invalid address to register, that they can be a felon, and they don't even have to be alive. But as long as they don't vote it's ok. When I vote, all I have to prove is residency. If none of the other chit has to be proved, what is my vote worth? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/17 at 16:39:35 It's easy enough to see who benefits from the elimination of net neutrality by looking at who wants to end it. Why doesn't the same logic apply to who opposes voter ID? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/10/17 at 16:44:26 5F4C5B5A45484E4C4718290 wrote:
I've seen all of these - everyone has. It just doesn't add up to millions - it's just that simple. Sorry.... If there was proof, it'd be all over the news, the internet, etc. [/quote] So it's ok as long as it's only demo's doing it? You see the tip of the iceberg and you think you see all of it. What if the iceberg is red? [/quote] No, I'm not defending ANY voter fraud. All I'm saying is that there simply is no proof to the claim that millions have voted fraudulently. There is no iceberg - no one can prove it. This is all that I'm saying. [/quote] Yet we can prove that illegals can register, that they can use an invalid address to register, that they can be a felon, and they don't even have to be alive. But as long as they don't vote it's ok. When I vote, all I have to prove is residency. If none of the other chit has to be proved, what is my vote worth?[/quote] Strange, because when I vote, I have to show my residency and match my signature on file. Unlike the old saying - you really can't "vote often". But really - if it can be proved, then where is the story? Where is the recount of the millions of fraudulent votes? Who's investigating this? Think about it, if voter fraud is that wide spread - then every single candidate in the general election is under suspicion. Maybe the republicans didn't win the majority in Congress? Maybe there were millions of republicans registered in more than one state (just like several on trump's team...) that voted more than once? If voter fraud is so rampant, then maybe there should be another general election. Did you know that less than 100k votes could have turned the tables in the electoral college? You see, it's a red herring. There is no proof - there is no investigation. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/17 at 17:02:41 Where is the harm in taking one simple step? Who doesn't have a photo ID? What kind of person doesn't? You can't open a bank account, get on a plane, sign up for federal benefits, go to college, I've even had to show my drivers license and SS card to get a job. Who is involved enough in society to want to vote that doesn't have a photo ID? Which party is against it? The internet providers are against net neutrality. People understand why asking questions about who supports or opposes something points to who benefits. I'm stuck with believing that the dems benefit from things as they are. The assertion that it's not provable that the problem exists or isn't big enough to matter falls flat for me. If it doesn't change outcomes, it wouldn't be done. How much time and money would you spend to do something if it was ineffective? Or are democrats so stupid that they spend time and money for no gain? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/10/17 at 17:26:23 322D2B2C31360737073F2D216A580 wrote:
First off - enough of the democratic bigotry. I could start every one of my posts with "the repubs are idiots because...", but I don't. It's not fair to those republicans who actually remember what being a republican means. (I was a republican once). It's not just a democratic thing. It's a rights issue and it just so happens that what (mostly) democrats are pushing for would make the process better for more voters - of both parties - to vote. Is it a right to vote or not? It's still up for debate, but the fact is - if you don't like your voter registration system/voter ID system - then lobby to change it. The state level controls who's eligible and who's not. "The assertion that it's not provable that the problem exists or isn't big enough to matter falls flat for me". What?? - Then you believe in bigfoot and pixies? (there's no proof that they don't exist...). C'mon.... That a horse-hockey kind of a statement. If voter fraud were that rampant, then every election commissioner and every polling place volunteer should be brought up on charges. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/10/17 at 17:52:19 The democrats oppose voter id. That tells me who believes they benefit. Project Veritas exposed democrats bragging about bussing people. Do I have to type my experience again? The knowledge we have is Democrats oppose ID. Project Veritas has known democrats bragging. I met someone who was registered, coached, taken to vote. She's legally mentally incompetent and has a legal guardian. She can't even sign a contract, Why is it unreasonable to protect the process of electing our representatives? You're choosing to fail to read what I said. You claim that what fraud exists doesn't change anything. I pointed out how unlikely that is by posing pointed questions. Unimpeachable evidence that democrats are engaging in unscrupulous acts to put votes in for democrats. If it's infective, why do it? I'm not a republican, I'm just sure as hell not a democrat. Can you cheat and win? Do the ends justify the means? Do you want Honest Elections? Is m y freedom as important as yours? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by MnSpring on 02/11/17 at 14:11:18 514F40414C514A57250 wrote:
So I will take one sentence from your post, (Read post above for entire post) And respond. You have to ask if, and you believe, “it’s still up for debate” Concerning the, ‘RIGHT” to Vote ?????????????? Cheese and Rice !!!!!!! The state level controls who’s eligible and who’s not. Yep, And, Which States, completely Disallow, the Nations Citizens. Their right to having their Vote Count ? By Allowing a fraudulent Vote, to OVERRIDE, their, Legal Vote ??? By, NOT, requiring a person voting, to PROVE, they are a CITIZEN, of this Country ????? Which POTUS said, (in Like), “you will NOT be Deported if you vote”? Which, ‘party’, spends 5 times MORE, Allowing, NON CITIZENS, to vote ? When they could help, by simply, paying for a Birth Certificate, for the people that can’t afford the 15-35 dollars ??????? if you don’t like your voter registration system/voter ID system - then lobby to change it See Above. Is the Fox guarding the Hen house’? Is the Coyote, telling the Rabbit what to do? Is the Wolf, herding the Sheep? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/12/17 at 14:49:00 544B4D4A5750615161594B470C3E0 wrote:
It's not. Never said anything to to contrary - but I'd ask you the same question of me. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/17 at 14:57:12 When anyone is denied their Rights and freedoms, everyone should be concerned. We have to have each other's back. No, I won't protect your Right to destroy, burn, and assault. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/12/17 at 19:14:20 6E7177706D6A5B6B5B63717D36040 wrote:
Good thing there is no such right, huh? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/12/17 at 20:31:22 It would seem that some believe it does. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by MnSpring on 02/13/17 at 18:24:32 3D232C2D203D263B490 wrote:
FREEDOM, of Speech, is a, RIGHT. Looting Steeling, Setting Fires, Destroying Property, Spouting DEATH, Treats, Etc. Etc. Etc. Is Not even CLOSE, to a ‘right’. Get on the Bus, or stand inn the street and CRY ! |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/13/17 at 19:59:59 684B7655574C4B42250 wrote:
FREEDOM, of Speech, is a, RIGHT. Looting Steeling, Setting Fires, Destroying Property, Spouting DEATH, Treats, Etc. Etc. Etc. Is Not even CLOSE, to a ‘right’. Get on the Bus, or stand inn the street and CRY ! [/quote] LOL - what the heck is your point?? I said the exact same thing... smh |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by MnSpring on 02/14/17 at 19:20:01 372926272A372C31430 wrote:
Bus, as in, ‘Give someone, (A LEGAL CITIZEN), a ride'. Is quite different than. Bus, as in, ‘a bus load', of IL-Legals, voting, MULTIPLE TIMES. Is what is being referred to. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by MnSpring on 02/14/17 at 19:41:32 223C33323F223924560 wrote:
RIGHT.Looting Steeling, Setting Fires, Destroying Property, Spouting DEATH, Treats, Etc. Etc. Etc. Is Not even CLOSE, to a ‘right’. Get on the Bus, or stand inn the street and CRY ! [/quote] LOL - what the heck is your point?? I said the exact same thing... smh[/quote] Let’s see. You inferred I was talking to you directly ???? Not making a comment, on what you said ?????? More that one way to interrupt that ! (Using a word, another member often says) Get a Life, ‘Pumpkin’, it ain’t all about, YOU ! :-* |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/15/17 at 10:48:26 1D3E032022393E37500 wrote:
Bus, as in, ‘Give someone, (A LEGAL CITIZEN), a ride'. Is quite different than. Bus, as in, ‘a bus load', of IL-Legals, voting, MULTIPLE TIMES. Is what is being referred to. [/quote] Hmmm... well... GOT ANY PROOF OF THAT??? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/15/17 at 10:49:54 7D5E634042595E57300 wrote:
RIGHT.Looting Steeling, Setting Fires, Destroying Property, Spouting DEATH, Treats, Etc. Etc. Etc. Is Not even CLOSE, to a ‘right’. Get on the Bus, or stand inn the street and CRY ! [/quote] LOL - what the heck is your point?? I said the exact same thing... smh[/quote] Let’s see. You inferred I was talking to you directly ???? Not making a comment, on what you said ?????? More that one way to interrupt that ! (Using a word, another member often says) Get a Life, ‘Pumpkin’, it ain’t all about, YOU ! :-* [/quote] Then why the heck did you quote me sweetie?? LOL - you may want to think before you post next time... |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by Serowbot on 02/15/17 at 11:10:33 Terms like,.. Snowflake, sweetie, punkin, etc... are used to minimise the other person and are not allowed. Continued use will result in deletions This means you Dawg. Treat each other as adults and with respect Serow |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/15/17 at 12:14:10 7F697E637B6E63780C0 wrote:
Understood. I should have known better - my apologies. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by raydawg on 02/15/17 at 13:46:21 7563746971646972060 wrote:
Boot me now then...... I want nothing to do with censorship for folks who can toss it, but not take it..... |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by MnSpring on 02/15/17 at 16:10:12 594F58455D48455E2A0 wrote:
Just so I get this straight. If I say, ’Snowflake', in reference to frozen water falling from the sky, and accumulating on the ground, it is perfectly OK ? If I say, ‘Pumpkin’, in reference to a fruit, made into pies, and a carved fruit, which is predominate at a certain time of the year, it is perfectly OK ? If I say, “Sweetie”, in reference to a, wife, girl friend, or a attractive female, walking down the street, it is perfectly OK ? Yet If I use those words to describe, (in my view), a person on this Forum. it is NOT, OK ? How about those words, used to describe, the current POTUS then. When describing him, why are they, not, ‘bad’ also ? Those are certainly stated, [b] in a Negative way, and Certainly, Do NOT, Treat each other as adults and with respective Now how about, ‘GAY’, can I only use that to describe a person, who is, ‘Happy’, all the time ? Yet, I cannot use it, to describe a person, who likes another person, of the same sex ? A Fox guards a hen house, one set of rules. A Dog ‘trained' to guard chickens, guards the hen house, another set of rules, A Human with a Shotgun guards the hen house, a 3rd set of rules. Which Rule is it ???? And where will it end. And who is, and is NOT, allowed, to use words that, 'are used to minimize the other person', which are used frequently, (Much, MUCH, More frequently, than, Snowflake, sweetie, punkin in describing the current POTUS?) |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by T And T Garage on 02/15/17 at 16:14:00 The internet's a big place..... if you don't like the rules of one site/forum, you don't have to stay on it. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by Serowbot on 02/15/17 at 16:19:11 Mn,.. The words are not banned. Just don't use then against other members... You can call Pelosi or Trump any name the site autosensor will allow you to post. No name calling other members. Calling other members names, makes ths an unpleasant place to be. We don't want to drive people away from the site. We're all friends here. Let's treat each other that way. This is not about censorship, it's about mutual respect as fellow riders Peace, Serow |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by WebsterMark on 02/15/17 at 17:50:19 Wait a second Sew..... if I were to go back and search, would I find you referring to me as a teabagger? But I can't refer to you as a snowflake? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by MnSpring on 02/15/17 at 18:16:25 2432253820353823570 wrote:
We don’t want to drive people away from the site. That is a interesting point. Their are the words, (Snowflake, sweetie, punkin) That may, drive people away from the site. Their are some that may be offended by the words, Pork, Flag, Riots, Looting, etc. Their are some that may be offended by the words, like, (the ones used below), that some members on this forum have used, in describing the POTUS. That may, drive people away from the site. You can call Pelosi or Trump any name the site autosensor will allow you to post. No name calling other members. Score Card ? Which words, ‘offend’, which person? So, ANY words describing, the POTUS, are perfectly all right. But certain words, if they are used, “ against other members… are Not ? How about, we ALL, stand by the credo: “ it’s about mutual respect “ ???? Concerning, EVERYBODY ? Now, the, ‘Freedom Of Speech’. Call, ‘Fire’ in a crowded place. NA, it ain’t gonna be a, ‘Freedom’, Because it can cause Bodily Harm ! Yet if I called you a, ’Snowflake’, No Bodily harm, just a Opinion. (You don’t like it) Exactly the SAME, as you calling the POTUS a, “orangutan”. (Your Opinion) ( I don’t like it) Yet one is allowed, and another one is not ???? serial tweeter a pot stirrer partisan glasses Tweetty shows massive narcissism eating what’s left of your brain reality show, sexist, bully, clinical symptoms of extreme narcissism speaks at a 4th grade level and goes off half-cocked dictate unconstitutional edicts orange man with tiny hands a dim, egomaniacal nut job a self promoting, crass, uncultured, simpleton grandiose ego adolescent behavior one religion to attack no tolerance for criticism narcissist slogan slinging nationalist ego maniacal race baiter homophobe constitution thumper spoiled, silver spoon, man child dye his face orange and comb over the absurd POS we elected Superficial He would gold plate a turd hail the princely orangutan Trumpy Bird can’t actually form a full sentence (And this is JUST ONE, page. !!!!!!!) Please, state the rules? Which words, and which person, that they refer to. Are correct or not ? Which words are: about mutual respect ? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by pg on 02/15/17 at 18:46:01 http://https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/79/52/e2/7952e285cc5aac6d3dca305714dc8e04.jpg Best regards, |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/15/17 at 19:35:26 5F495E435B4E43582C0 wrote:
Anyone unable to understand is being intentionally obtuse. I agree and will do my best to comply. This new and appreciated set of guidelines won't impact anyone's ability to make a point or be outspoken gadfly. I did note with a true joy in my heart that Muppet was not included. I would think that Snowflake or other derogatory terms can be used, as long as they are aimed at people Other than each other. For instance, The participants in the Million Pound March were all angry Snowflakes. FWIW, I've experienced some real anger having been talked down to and called Punkin.. I didn't like it. I'm sure I've been guilty of a cheap shot or two. I think this effort to enforce some civility is warranted. So it is written, so it will be, The Muppet has spoken, and wisely so. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by WebsterMark on 02/15/17 at 20:31:56 Jog,you are often on same side of the argument but just as often on opposite sides and very ferociously too, I might add. I think that's where we are here. I used to think we needed stricter rules for civility but i'm not sure anymore. The Muppet's call for what passes his test of civility, is interesting given his history. In fact, if you think about it, it is the quintessential definition of snowflake. Not able to stand the heat that, when completely surrounded and protected by like minds, he throws with reckless abandon. Sort of like that University of Missouri calling for "muscle" to help her remove journalist not sympathetic to her cause. Look, Dawg's not really leaving, (seriously, what's he going to do at work all day if he's not on here? look at porn and get fired?) Same with TT Garage, he didn't get "Lost". No one's hurt, no one got a bloody nose. I've pitched my tent in Phoenix Arizona tonight, a short drive from Sew down in Tucson but it's not like I'm gonna drive down there and kicked his bike over. ...but are you telling me I can't refer to Sew or TT as snowflake, but i can be called directly or (very indirectly) as a Nazi, racist, bigot or teabagger? this is the problem when you go down the censorship road. the One who controls the eraser is the one who sets the rules. And that's all well and good if it's a person of high morals and standards but that's not the case with our tall table moderator. If you want to solve this problem, get rid of the tall table entirely. The reality is, if this group of seven or eight, posted regularly in other areas of SuzukiSavage, the negative feedback from others with no interest in politics, would force us out. this is either an open forum or it will isn't. either the tall table remains as a free speech zone or it crumbles under the umbrella of a "safe" zone where only like minded snowflakes can gather and talk all the things everyone already agress with. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by Serowbot on 02/15/17 at 21:40:30 JOG gets it,... Web don't... .... and I am guilty as well... This election has degraded the conversation... Reset... We are a rider, Savage fan, site first and foremost... The TT is free topic and language... but respects members. Riders first... politics are secondary... We know when we are being personally insulting... We are intelligent people. I am a muppet 'cause it's funny... I find muppet jokes funny when they are not mean spirited. ...but don't be mean spirited... You know the difference.. Don't play dumb... We don't have to walk on pins to be respectful... Just respect your fellow riders. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by WebsterMark on 02/16/17 at 05:35:05 Jog "gets it" until someone refers to his tin foil hat and you do nothing. You can continue to refer to me as a racist which, having been on the other side of that coin in real life, I take particular offense to fools who use the term so casually and where not warranted. Like I said, remove the TT altogether. If everyone's going to walk on eggshells afraid of offending overly sensitive pieces of ice crystals caught in a gravitation pull towards the ground, then why have a separate section? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/16/17 at 07:44:42 I think it's fair to say that the Tall Table exists because I wouldn't stop posting political crap in the cafe and lobbied for a section where the Rodeo mentality would be okay. Lots of people don't come here. They stick with RSD and the cafe. The idea that just because it's not ever gonna be perfect and some points have been made concerning the bitterness and general nastiness that we've started talking to each other with should be dealt with by just ending the TT is just one more example of feelings being the basis for a decision rather than logic. Anyone who is so dissatisfied with the place is free to not come in. I'd hate to see Ray leave. I've been working on a cryptographic key to decipher his posts and it's about 2/3rds done. But, if people only see the TT as entertainment, odds are they aren't trying to explain clearly a principled viewpoint or are willing to see something, be intrigued and do some hunting for information and maybe learn something that could possibly change or sharpen an opinion. Nothing disheartens me or squelches my desire to be here like the unwillingness shown to expose yourselves to the freely available, no reading required, interviews with Charlotte Iserbyt. That tells me that all most of you really want to do is believe you know and others don't. Challenging me to study the foundations of dems and bubs to sway me to a path I used to walk and abandoned both after I started finding information that makes DC nothing more than a puppet show and pretending that because I won't study a path I've already tried is reason to Not look at something you've never looked at isn't as reasonable as you think. Emergency War Powers Find out about it. It's why we no longer declare war. It May be the reason Watchdog Agencies, like the EPA, can create Guidelines that are effectively Law, without Congress voting. The TT is a place where we can say things that AREN'T fun and Aren't MC related. And, like the cartoon wolf and sheepdog, they clock in and it's Game On, but when they clock out, they're cool. We can go at it tooth and claw in here, but if I know how to help you fix a problem in RSD , I'm gonna be there for ya, |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by MnSpring on 02/16/17 at 10:44:38 56494F4855526353635B49450E3C0 wrote:
A Fox guards a hen house, one set of rules. A Dog ‘trained’ to guard chickens, guards the hen house, another set of rules. A Human with a Shotgun guards the hen house, a 3rd set of rules. OK, So now I know it is the First Rule, that applies. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by verslagen1 on 02/16/17 at 10:53:23 1C3F022123383F36510 wrote:
A Fox guards a hen house, one set of rules. A Dog ‘trained’ to guard chickens, guards the hen house, another set of rules. A Human with a Shotgun guards the hen house, a 3rd set of rules. OK, So now I know it is the First Rule, that applies. [/quote] T'wasn't the muppet, it was me. I have a delete key and an edit button, don't make me use them. And yes, you need to be reminded of the rules every so often. So cry your little cry, whine your little whine, in a day or so it'll be alright. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by Serowbot on 02/16/17 at 12:20:20 3B242225383F0E3E0E36242863510 wrote:
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/16/17 at 12:34:04 I'm aware of the times when I get personal. And sometimes the topic is controversial and it can get frustrating for everyone involved. I get particularly frustrated when the points I'm trying to make aren't just some parroted talking points, but historically proven. I didn't write the strategy for sinking a society by overloading the societal safety nets. But since that paper Was written, rather than using it as a description of a devastating problem to avoid, policies have been made and followed that would Do what Cloward and Piven wrote about doing in order to bring a caring, loving, socialist society to its knees. Will anyone bother to read it? I don't see any people saying what they learned. Isn't anyone,especially those of us who are Constitutionally minded, even curious enough about me How such glaringly unconstitutional things like going to war without a Congressional declaration of war can be the norm? Who has time to find out about the Emergency War Powers that were enacted in 1933? Why not spend a few hours looking at things we weren't taught in school and stop pretending that we were educated when we were indoctrinated? It's not necessarily a permanent thing. We Can find answers to questions, for now. The end of NN may make it harder to find things. I know for Fact that an Andrew Jackson quote has been scrubbed. I used to C AND P it often. Now I can't find it anywhere. The corruption is so pervasive that I doubt anyone can turn us away from the cliff. Anyone who dares doesn't seem to live long. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by Trippah on 02/16/17 at 12:59:41 Thank for setting the boat upright and on an even keel; too much name calling was happening to allow a conversation or decent argument. Back when I was a small government right wing republican activist (in Massachusetts of all places) we had a radio personality who went to Yale, was one of my Profs at NU, gay as you could get, died of Aids BUT was always, always polite to those who were with him, against him, vilified him for his life "style" and called in to wish him a long slow painful death. He firmly believed in civil discourse, as do I. This is the reason I left the republican party after the whacko name callers took over. Still a believer in small government, so we will see. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by MnSpring on 02/16/17 at 17:20:37 4F5C4B4A55585E5C5708390 wrote:
T'wasn't the muppet, it was me. I have a delete key and an edit button, don't make me use them. And yes, you need to be reminded of the rules every so often. ( The Rules: “This is an Loosely-Moderated Section. This means that you are responsible for you own behaviour and the content and tone of your discussions, but also the future of this Forum. While we will not actively moderate this forum, abusive behaviour and illegal activity will be shut down.” ) So cry your little cry, whine your little whine, in a day or so it'll be alright. Let’s see. I can NOT, say: ’Snowflake, Pumpkin, Sweetie’. Yet you can call me: (To Me, a member of this Forum) A, “Cryer & Whiner”. OK, Got it. It is very much like, a person, who has a completely, ‘Anti-Gun’, position. Going to a Gun Club, where their are 100’s of people on a Sunday afternoon, All Shooting a firearm of various sorts. And saying: “Non of you should have Guns”. Absolutely, (No Doubt whosoever), they will be, ‘greeted’, with ALL sorts of counter opinions. And no doubt, their would be words, like: ’Snowflake, Pumpkin, Sweetie’, spoken. Then they get into their car, (or on their MC), and go away. Thinking; “Boy were all those people Axx Holes”. Now, say, a person, goes to a, ‘peaceful march’, (Where they are Looting, Steeling, Burning, Shouting Death threats, etc) And does the same thing in reverse ? They won’t be driving away in anything, unless it is a corners van, if lucky a ambulance. ( No reasonable person, of either POV, would go, to a gathering of the opposite, POV) So this site, this TT, part of this Forum. Where it is said: “While we will not actively moderate this forum, abusive behavior and illegal activity will be shut down.". So saying: ‘You are a Snowflake for believing that”. Is it ‘ abusive’ ? Saying: “cry your little cry, whine your little whine”’ Is is, NOT, ‘abusive’ ? Have never seen any, illegal activity. Apparently though, ‘abusive behavior’, depends entirely of one persons POV. And by the, Facts, from posts on this Forum, (the TT part), abusive behavior, is calling one a, ’snowflake etc’. But NOT, saying: “cry your little cry, whine your little whine”. That being said, Who, do I, ‘Complain to’, for saying the words: “cry your little cry, whine your little whine”. When those words, are DEEPLY Offensive to ME ? After all, I have LEARNED, a certain, ‘Flag’, or a certain, ‘food’ or a certain, ‘way of life’, Is Hugely, ‘Offensive’, (to me). Therefore, I, ‘DEMAND’, YOU Change ! Yea, you get the point ! Censorship, no mater how it is, ‘masked’, No matter how, ‘Politically Correct’, No Matter how it ‘appeases’, the vocal Minority, it is, still, Censorship ! |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/16/17 at 23:48:26 If you can find a place that is total freedom, let me know. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by WebsterMark on 02/17/17 at 05:10:33 T'wasn't the muppet, it was me. I have a delete key and an edit button, don't make me use them. And yes, you need to be reminded of the rules every so often. So cry your little cry, whine your little whine, in a day or so it'll be alright. Another Snowflake? Is it a prerequisite for moderators to have the double standard of university Poly-Sci professors? And a particularly condescending fragile little snowflake at that. Just so I'm clear, Sew can call me racist or a teabagger all day but I can't refer to him as a snowflake? |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/17/17 at 12:11:41 I don't see what all the fuss is about. I'm as opinionated and vociferous as anyone and I thought it was getting past debate and more angry , boneheaded unwillingness to consider the ideas of others. And has even one listened to five minutes of an interview or searched emergency war powers? What is the point if people won't even see what someone is looking at? There's no controversy about emergency war powers. It's in black and white. It's important to the very function of YOUR government and not knowing about it and understanding the ramifications means that We the People are not in a position to force change. If people look up nothing else, read about the Emergency War Powers and what it means regarding how our country actually works. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by MnSpring on 02/17/17 at 20:00:35 382721263B3C0D3D0D35272B60520 wrote:
Lets take, ‘Murder’ as a example. VERY, Long time ago, no laws, Someone in a cave, hit a, ’snowflake’, over the head with a rock. Killed him/her, and ate them, because it was winter, and they needed protein to survive. ’Total Freedom” Now, today, their are laws, (can’t do that), Yep, it is giving up a freedom, for a greater good. (Which, 99.99% of people agree on) But today, giving up a, freedom, of how to live your life. Giving up a ‘freedom’, to ‘appease’, ILLEGALS. Giving up a, ‘freedom’, to, ‘appease’, people, who do not like your words. Tough Shi& !!!!!!!!!! “give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither” As said by a founder of, THIS, Nation ! Every day, ’snowflakes’, come up with a, ’thing’, which is: ‘give up a freedom, for the sake of security', (Or, Politically Correct, or hurt the feelings of the, ’snowflakes’, or a ‘political Position’, which only puts money in their pockets, etc, etc, etc, ) At which point, does the Frog, in the cold water, (which is S L O W E L Y, raised and dies), Do you have, NO, Freedom, as to the, ‘Politically Correct”, “World Order”, Etc. etc. etc. ? So JOG, my question back is, When is enough, enough? Remember, we aren’t at, ’Star-Teck’ Yet ! |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by justin_o_guy2 on 02/17/17 at 21:07:39 The original explanation was sufficient. If you can't understand the driving force behind it is to regain civility, you're not gonna get anything from what I might say now. Your pretense and resultant emotional reaction that we just lost our freedom, well, guess what? This is like a private club. You don't like the rules, kick rocks. We HAVE no rights here. We are all guests. |
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Title: Re: in nearly a century........ Post by MnSpring on 02/18/17 at 17:14:07 223D3B3C21261727172F3D317A480 wrote:
JOG, your post above is totally there. I am taking pieces, to reply to, to make a point. “…You don’t like the rules, kick rocks. …” Not a Problem. Understand completely. But, WHAT, are, the Rules ? and WHY, are their TWO, different sets of Rules, Depending on the POV of the Poster? (Continue Reading) See, I did NOT say: ‘don’t get your underwear in a bunch’, because I do not know how some would, ‘interpret’, the ‘intent’. “…you’re not gonna get anything from what I might say now…” Is that comment, civil, or not ? Could some say: “Hey, JOG just called MN Stupid” ? ( I don’t care, not gonna cry or companion about it, but you know, ’some’, would, if those words were spoken to them) “ …This is like a private club…” Yea, it is. A private, Mens, Club, been around for 100+ years. One day a Woman goes in and wants to join. She is told no, it is a, ‘Mens Only’ club. She contacts a lawyer, and suddenly, it is not longer, ‘Just’, a, mens club. (I agree,The rules are a, ‘mens only’ club. if that woman wants a club, find one, which is a, woman’s club only, or find one that allows both). Kinna like a Baker. Do wonder though, what the, ‘un-said’, ‘oral’ tradition, ‘rules’, are. Local town, has a golf course. Anybody can to play, (paying their green fees, and making a appointment) And/Or, one can become a, Member. (and pay less green fees) Ya know what, Their are NO, members, that have Black Skin, or practice the Jewish faith ! Now, ‘Joe the plumber’, moves to town, (white Skin), wants to be a member, he is told, “Well, their is a waiting list, and you are # 68, let me take your information, and when we have a membership available, we will contact you”. The next day, a Lawyer, Doctor, Banker, etc, moves to town. They go to the golf course and asks to be a member, and they are told: “Here is your membership” Hmmm, is that, ‘discrimination’ ? And what set of, ’rules’, by what POV, which are not said, yet are enforced? “…understand the driving force behind it is to regain civility…” That is GREAT. Very Noble cause. Very Worthy Cause. BUT, when person ‘A’, used certain words, or intent, they are ‘censured’. When, person ‘B’, used certain words, or intent. Everything is OK. ? That has as much common sense as: ‘Bank Robber drove away in a Red Car, so we will Ban ALL Red Cars, that will stop all Bank Robberies !’ Again regaining civility, is a very Noble, and worthwhile cause. BUT it is NOT, accomplished. by two different, sets of rules, for different POV’s. As in what, ‘words’, or, ‘intent’, mean. We have all seen, some Nations elected people, shout, use fowl language, throw objects, even fisticuffs. Yet here is the US, we are, ‘civilized’, and none of that is allowed. Just listen to some of those speeches, (on opposing POV’s) In Fed, State, County, Town level. They are SO, dripping with sarcasm, innuendoes, double entendres, etc. One must wear TALL Boots! (BUT, No objects thrown) If, “Intent”, of things said, is to be ‘Judged’. (using a Very Long List of, ‘words’, and a longer list of where, and to who, such words, may or not may be used. One must also say, Who, will be judging, ‘intent’, and from which POV, will that, ‘intent’, be judged. And Yes, this forum IS, very much like a ‘Private Club’. BUT is it, filled with: ‘un-said’, ‘oral’ tradition, ‘rules’, that concern only one POV. And finally. “…resultant emotional reaction that we just lost our freedom…” You want to KILL a Frog. You put one in a pan of Hot water, it will jump Out. You are unsuccessful. You put one in a pan of Cold water, and, s l o w a l y raise the heat, you will Kill it. You are now, sucussful. This post, is the Personal Opinion of the Poster. The intent is not to demean, the personal opinion, of the previous poster. If the previous poster, believes the intent is, not to be civil, than I remind the previous poster, this is the personal opinion of the poster. And the poster of this post, is not responsible, for any other poster reading this post, in how that poster interprets this post. Furthermore: Any post, by this poster, is a personal opinion of this poster. And any personal opinion by this poster, does not reflect the opinion of any previous poster, or owner/moderators, of this posting site. Notice: If a poster, to which this personal opinion post, has been posted, believe this post, violates any posting rules, set upon the poster of this personal opinion post. Than that reader of the post, who’s this post is the personal opinion of the poster, can contact a moderator, about the personal opinion stated in this post. |
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