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Title: Do planets die? Post by raydawg on 01/18/17 at 04:41:44 Are we aware of anything that has the capacity to go on forever without ever ceasing? Can a planet just plain, wear out? Can the very forces and elements that formed it last forever? What about that, which created those elements, that sustains earth, in its orbit and certainly, change or abate? Man did not build or create earth, we have no input into what created it. We are, however, parasites. What happens as those needed elements get depleted by our consumption? Can we get more online ;D Fabricate it? What happens then? Is abortion a precursor to how we settle this issue? We are just parasitic and living off our host, are we not? What happens if by our actions we threaten the sustainability of our host, abort? Who will choose who to abort? Why? When? Laws now represent the host, as final say in the matter...... Shouldn't Mother Earth be extended that same consideration, and the courts of self appointed elites, that have been granted her guardianship, carry out her desires? Can we expect our constitution to protect everyone as equals? Or will the rich and powerful decide? Who will speak for those who have no say? If we are programmed to except the need to sacrifice one, so others can live, it will be easier to enact even later term abortions on criteria the aristocracy decides what the best plan is, for the planet. Mister Bradbury, are you listening? |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Joer0952 on 01/18/17 at 08:41:53 Yes planets die, sooner or later the star, in our case the sun, will burn out. But, before it does it will enlarge and consumer the inner planets, including the earth, before it shrinks and ultimately explodes in a super nova. As far as the elements they are not consumed, matter is not created nor destroyed just changed. In some cases no change occurs, such as in the case of water. We drink it and we pee it out it evaporates it rains we drink it again and so on (yes you are in essence drinking someone or somethings pee, well to be more exact the water that was in that pee that was filtered out naturally via evaporation and condensation) On the other hand sometimes we do change it such as oxygen we convert it along with organic matter (food namely sugar) to carbon dioxide (cellular respiration). Then the plants convert it back to oxygen and sugars (photosynthesis). Our relationship with the earth is more complex than just us as parasites. If you consider plants part of the earth than in this regard our relationship would be more mutualism than paracitism in that we couldn't live without the plants making oxygen and sugar and the plants could not live without animals making carbon dioxide. As far as who to abort if we follow margret sanger, a eugenicists who is planned parenthoods founder and the number one proprietor of abortion, it would, in her own words, be blacks as she said that it was to, and I'm paraphrasing here, to exterminate them (actually she used the term for black people similar to the spanish word for black but I digress). Now you may say that was a long time ago, but ask yourself this, in what neighborhoods are most planned parenthoods today? Statistically a black person conceived today has almost a 2:1 chance of being born or being aborted. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by verslagen1 on 01/18/17 at 09:43:00 56455D40455343240 wrote:
Bradbury died... small point of trivia, the city adjoining my home town is named for bradbury as it was his home. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by raydawg on 01/18/17 at 10:04:31 Great reply..... thanks. As to Margaret Sanger remark being a long time ago, giving it no revelance to present day beliefs/mindset..... That's OK, many folks still refer to the Old Testament for proof, of the intolerance of believers ;D |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Joer0952 on 01/18/17 at 10:32:15 3D2E362B2E38284F0 wrote:
Thanks. 4 years for a BS in biochemistry and 3 more years for a MS in secondary ed biology has all culminated in that post LOL |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by verslagen1 on 01/18/17 at 10:38:49 I don't remember where I read it... probably some old war movie. 1 drop of oil will make 500 gals of water undrinkable. So, by burning it aren't we removing a pollutant from the earth? ;) |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Joer0952 on 01/18/17 at 10:48:34 382B3C3D222F292B207F4E0 wrote:
its only undrinkable if you don't filter it. You can mix water with anything you want and if you evaporate the water and then condense it it will be drinkable again. Again, matter isn't created or destroyed so burning oil doesn't remove it from the earth it just changes it into different stuff. The only way to remove anything from the earth would be to throw it on a rocket ship and shoot it into outer space far enough that the earths gravitational force doesn't pull it back in |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Paraquat on 01/18/17 at 11:03:08 33203736292422202B74450 wrote:
Men of Honor. Mr. Pappy: Two tablespoons of machine oil can contaminate an entire ship's fresh water supply. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by raydawg on 01/18/17 at 12:23:29 How big of rocket do you reckon we'd need to rid the planet of liberals ;D |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Joer0952 on 01/18/17 at 13:02:06 6A79617C796F7F180 wrote:
LOL from the last election I would guess a 63 million seater for this country alone. But, really without liberals it would be boring without anything to fix. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by verslagen1 on 01/18/17 at 13:05:37 7F6C74696C7A6A0D0 wrote:
Don't need a rocket, just a bigger shark tank. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by raydawg on 01/18/17 at 13:46:36 7C6F7879666B6D6F643B0A0 wrote:
Don't need a rocket, just a bigger shark tank.[/quote] Didn't you learn anything....... It just turns to a different form. We don't really need liberal shark poop ;D |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by verslagen1 on 01/18/17 at 14:17:33 6B78607D786E7E190 wrote:
oh gawd, they'll come back as liberal petroleum and destroy the earth... HEY! It's history repeating it's self. when will we ever learn. :'( |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Joer0952 on 01/18/17 at 14:50:47 7E6D75686D7B6B0C0 wrote:
Don't need a rocket, just a bigger shark tank.[/quote] Didn't you learn anything....... It just turns to a different form. We don't really need liberal shark poop ;D [/quote] Well in that case the change might be an improvement ;D |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by MnSpring on 01/18/17 at 16:21:59 3B28302D283E2E490 wrote:
Wait, could use it for fertilizer ! Oh, but, perhaps it would, 'only', make the weeds grow. Not the Useful things ! |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Paraquat on 01/19/17 at 11:05:58 "On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero." --Steve |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/19/17 at 11:19:52 Watch How the universe works. Planets, moons, stars, all die. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Joer0952 on 01/19/17 at 16:24:22 49786B78686C786D190 wrote:
Well our star is only middle aged at this point so it still has a good 4 billion years before it dies so there is still a ton of time, and if our species still exists, which I find highly unlikely that we would have not annihilated ourselves by that point, one would assume we would have the technology to planet hop to a new home somewhere else in the universe. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Paraquat on 01/20/17 at 06:08:46 15303A2D6F666A6D5F0 wrote:
I could move into my neighbor's house. Doesn't mean I'd be welcome there. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Joer0952 on 01/20/17 at 07:05:59 49786B78686C786D190 wrote:
I could move into my neighbor's house. Doesn't mean I'd be welcome there. --Steve[/quote] I am assuming a planet not inhabited with intelligent life |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by raydawg on 01/20/17 at 07:52:35 5D787265272E2225170 wrote:
I could move into my neighbor's house. Doesn't mean I'd be welcome there. --Steve[/quote] I am assuming a planet not inhabited with intelligent life[/quote] I think he was assuming Bot's job (being flippant) and not meant to be taken seriously. At least I hope he was..... :o |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Joer0952 on 01/20/17 at 08:18:13 4D5E465B5E48583F0 wrote:
I could move into my neighbor's house. Doesn't mean I'd be welcome there. --Steve[/quote] I am assuming a planet not inhabited with intelligent life[/quote] I think he was assuming Bot's job (being flippant) and not meant to be taken seriously. At least I hope he was..... :o [/quote] So was I, I probably should have put a ;D or 2 |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/17 at 09:23:20 Humanity has clearly demonstrated the ability to be inhumane. If Staying on planet Earth means extinction, and someone else is living on a planet we could survive on, IF we could defeat them and take it from them, we would. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by raydawg on 01/20/17 at 09:35:33 0A151314090E3F0F3F07151952600 wrote:
Under the guise of God, or selfishness ;D |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by WebsterMark on 01/20/17 at 09:40:46 Thermodynamics 1) you can't win the game 2) you can't tie the game 3) you can't quit the game |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 01/20/17 at 09:44:38 I've been playing Thermodynamics all my life. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Joer0952 on 01/20/17 at 09:54:34 726D6B6C71764777477F6D612A180 wrote:
I don't agree for one very simple reason. It is true that one of the many flaws of or species is the violence that we inflict on each others. Through the course of human history we have seen that technology has been used for great good as well as great evil. Technology has created horrible killing machines that increase the ability to, as well as, ease at which we can kill each other. In order to to be able to do something as monumental as to migrate to another planet in a far off solar system we would need to have advanced technology far beyond anything we could imagine today. If we have not learned to overcome this predilection for evil and violence we will surely have eradicated ourselves with the aid of technology long before reaching the ability to accomplish such a task. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by WebsterMark on 01/20/17 at 10:00:00 Read up on Fermi Paradox I tend to lean this way. If there is life elsewhere, we'll never, ever know about it. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by raydawg on 01/20/17 at 10:11:23 Are humans flawed? I would say yes. I will base this on a single fact, or observation..,. Our desire to survive. It is a basic instinct at our very core. So deeply ingrained it is of subconscious nature. Think of nature, where many species succumb to death to assure their kind survive, the salmon being a great example. I think this instinct drives much political, and social agendas, and policies. Which, has evolved to a current mindset, and promotion, that it sets up that instinct to combat perceived threats to all of our own belief structure. In essence, it is a revolving problem predicated on who is holding sway. However, I believe we do have the capacity to overcome this when we put others, first. But that's a beech, for sure, as exampled by the vitriol we see folks hurling at each other. Yes, I am part of that problem too, arg :-[ |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by WebsterMark on 01/20/17 at 10:44:04 4B545255484F7E4E7E46545813210 wrote:
Amen. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Paraquat on 01/20/17 at 11:11:10 7B494E5F58495E614D5E472C0 wrote:
If you're ever in New England, we should get a beer or a coffee. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Joer0952 on 01/20/17 at 11:13:33 [quote author=77647C61647262050 link=1484743304/15#28 date=1484935883]Are humans flawed? I would say yes. I will base this on a single fact, or observation..,. Our desire to survive. It is a basic instinct at our very core. So deeply ingrained it is of subconscious nature. Think of nature, where many species succumb to death to assure their kind survive, the salmon being a great example. I think this instinct drives much political, and social agendas, and policies. Which, has evolved to a current mindset, and promotion, that it sets up that instinct to combat perceived threats to all of our own belief structure. In essence, it is a revolving problem predicated on who is holding sway. However, I believe we do have the capacity to overcome this when we put others, first. But that's a beech, for sure, as exampled by the vitriol we see folks hurling at each other. Yes, I am part of that problem too, arg :-[/quote] all of this is true, but I was just saying that these tendencies would need to be overcome if the species is to survive b/c with advancing technology and the increasing ease at which killing is possible that if we don't then we will not last to be advanced enough to be able to have inter solar system travel. I wasn't giving an opinion on whether we will or will not do so I was giving an opinion on the consequences. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Joer0952 on 01/20/17 at 11:17:28 7D4F48595E4F58674B58412A0 wrote:
if you mean we like actually us then definitely, if you mean we like the human species I would say most likely true, but if we survive long enough it is certainly possible. I mean if you could dig up george washington and tell him there was men on the moon he wouldn't believe it but it happened. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by WebsterMark on 01/20/17 at 15:27:42 but one point of the Fermi Paradox is that it wouldn't matter how long you waited, they would never come. If Washington lived long enough, he'd come to believe we could go to the moon. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by T And T Garage on 01/20/17 at 18:46:12 http://cdn.supadupa.me/shop/43285/images/2211632/intelligentlife_original_massive.jpg?1456765773 |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by WebsterMark on 01/21/17 at 06:36:43 If there is no supreme being and life evolves on it's own, why would any other civilization be dramatically different from ours? Is the history of the various cultures and nations on earth similar? The USA was dramatically different and shaped the world for the past 100 years or so in a way unheard of before but that coincided with industrial revolution and now the digital age. If we had not established the government we have and we're fortunate enough to have the right people in the right place, would the world be where it is now but with perhaps British dominance? But I digress. Back to main point, why do we assume other intelligent life is different from us? |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by T And T Garage on 01/21/17 at 08:02:35 4C7E79686F7E69567A69701B0 wrote:
Cool question to ponder. Theories vary - Had there not been an extinction event sometime around the Cretaceous, then it's possible "we'd" be more like lizards than human - evolution could have stopped with a later extinction event as well - after the mammals' brains grew. This could have led to who knows what kind of intelligence - insects perhaps. Further, even the moon has had an effect on how we evolved - with no tides, there may have been a completely different form of intelligent life. "We" may not have made it out of the water - imagine a planet who's dominant species explores the surface in protective suits! But it's also theorized that because we evolved the way we did, there's no reason that the same thing couldn't on another planet like ours. Given the Drake equation, in our galaxy alone there could be millions of planets in the "Goldielocks zone". Yeah - a very cool question to think about. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by raydawg on 01/21/17 at 08:06:37 But I digress. Back to main point, why do we assume other intelligent life is different from us? Well Webby, ain't that the crux of the problem.... We assign intelligence, as a positive characteristic, based on superiority. This, I believe, is the biggest factor that drives the leftist. They hold that view of themselves. Listen to Obama's assessment of his term(s). He writes (it as) success, and assigns himself credit, when the facts do not bear witness to it. A successful term, does NOT lose senate/house seats, governorship's, to historical proportions. But they view these results, blame them, basically, on the deplorable. That we are too stupid of intelligence, to grasp whats best for us. Forget the fact Trump just told the people he is returning Washington back to its rightful owners.... They never see themselves as servants, tho they award themselves with such honors. They are elitist, aristocrats, and we are merely ignorant peasants, that do not appreciate THEIR fact, that they "run the village," serving for us. Like a parent, who tells a sick child, "I know the medicine taste horrible, but you must take it to get better." This is their justification. However, its built upon a lie. A lie they tell themselves. For a loving, caring parent would never get angry to the point of demonstrating it through destructive actions, name calling, or belittle the child, because the medicine doesn't seem to work! So, they have used media, academia, political, and social engineering, to indoctrinate, and a pseudo intelligence, as a tool to strike its opposition, into submission, from a position of superiority. Except, it doesn't work...... I will offer this observation as to why. Using "intelligence" under its current meaning/understanding is moot. For how can its meaning be extended to include all understandings? Take a primitive living in the jungle, as an example. Not schooled, or educated, in the system that allows us to assign intelligence as a reward for regurgitation, they are about as ignorant as any form of life on this planet. Put a Harvard Professor of Political Science into his enviroment...... Now who is ignorant? |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by WebsterMark on 01/21/17 at 09:34:22 I get enough politics on here. I'm steering clear of that on this topic. From a Biblical point of view, mankind could never destroy the planet on his own. There is a destiny that awaits creation and that would interfere so while damage might be widespread, man will always inhabit earth until the mysterious pre-appointed time. As the good book says: Creation itself yearns to be released from it's bondage to decay. That's a clear reference to the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Again, from a Biblical point of view, there was no 2nd law until the fall of man. There could have been millions of years between the end of Genesis chap 2 and the beginning of chap 3. At some point however, decay or entropy was introduced to the physical laws and 'the creation' began it's decay in the same manner mankind did. Now I realize atheist etc will chuckle at this concept, but no more than I chuckle at their view of completely randomness. But without intercession, the universe is doomed to death by heat loss. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by raydawg on 01/21/17 at 10:02:36 4D7F78696E7F68577B68711A0 wrote:
Web, you will need to dialog to witness. Jesus told us to go and become Roman's (or whoever) so they might understand. Jesus has the ability to withstand my convoluted way in witnessing, and I can never destroy him, only myself. Funny, I get more confrontation about my belief in God, from other believers, than I do from Botheads...... Go figger :D |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by Joer0952 on 01/21/17 at 12:18:49 506265747362754A66756C070 wrote:
Well because environmental pressures cause evolutionary change, its called natural selection. Whether you believe that change occurs naturally or at the hand of God is irrelevant. Another civilization would most likely have different environmental pressures that would require different adaptation. A very simply example is if you had white and brown rabbits in Alaska the white rabbits would be favored because the white fur gives them camouflage in the snow and would be less likely to be prey than the brown rabbits. The opposite is true if those rabbits were in California. So different environments apply different environments pressures. |
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Title: Re: Do planets die? Post by raydawg on 01/21/17 at 12:46:38 62474D5A18111D1A280 wrote:
Well because environmental pressures cause evolutionary change, its called natural selection. Whether you believe that change occurs naturally or at the hand of God is irrelevant. Another civilization would most likely have different environmental pressures that would require different adaptation. A very simply example is if you had white and brown rabbits in Alaska the white rabbits would be favored because the white fur gives them camouflage in the snow and would be less likely to be prey than the brown rabbits. The opposite is true if those rabbits were in California. So different environments apply different environments pressures.[/quote] So Joer..... If I understand you correct, this environmental pressure causes changes... Is this why the libs are askew now, having to act with violence, diatribe, and intolerance? Because they no longer can hide their hypocrisy, and that pressure is getting to them ? ;D |
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