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/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl General Category >> Rubber Side Down! >> Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working /cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1482545947 Message started by HillSavage on 12/23/16 at 18:19:07 |
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Title: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by HillSavage on 12/23/16 at 18:19:07 Hello All HillSavage Here, So I bought my first bike and kinda got burned >:(, but anyways onto fixing the problem. Like the title says horn, turn signals, and running light (headlight/high beam) don't work on my stock 1997 Savage LS 650. When I take the headlight bulb out, the left turn signal works and the right turn signal also works but the left one flashes slightly also. When the bulb is out the horn works pitifully. I removed the gas tank and found on the main connector on the left side of the tank the black wire with grey stripe (ground) was burnt in the harness connector. Tried following the wire around and do not see it frayed anywhere. How should I begin fixing this problem? :-/ Thanks in advance, nice to meet all of you! |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by verslagen1 on 12/23/16 at 19:03:46 removing the HL and regaining functionally is a clue that's where the short is. take the wiring out of the HL, most likely the short is where the wires go into the HL. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by HillSavage on 12/23/16 at 19:31:18 6D7E6968777A7C7E752A1B0 wrote:
What do I look for specifically, frayed or burned wires? Looked at wires and cleaned fittings inside HL, they all looked decent. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by verslagen1 on 12/23/16 at 19:44:20 67414E4A416A454449200 wrote:
What do I look for specifically, frayed or burned wires? Looked at wires and cleaned fittings inside HL, they all looked decent.[/quote] The little square window in the back. pull the wires out and check between them. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by batman on 12/23/16 at 21:33:45 Wiring diagrams in the Tech section. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by Ruttly on 12/23/16 at 21:49:10 What you described sounds like a ground issue rather than a short , check all ground connections and/or corroded connectors |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by HillSavage on 12/23/16 at 23:19:36 5D7A7B7B63760F0 wrote:
Please would you mind explaining to me why you think this? I'm so new to electrical work all information would be greatly appreciated. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by Steve H on 12/24/16 at 04:27:00 The two sides of the turn signal system are connected together through the turn signal indicator on the tank. It uses the non-flashing side to ground the small amount of power required to run the indicator. Since your flashing is irratic and you are seeing the other side very dimly flashing, it seems to indicate that the ground that should be there isn't and the power it trying to find ground wherever it can. Also, you said the ground wire in the harness was burned in the harness connector. It probably isn't providing a very good, if any ground. You might check your main ground behind the engine right near the oil level window. Make sure it is making a good connection. Also check wiring diagram for any other place it goes to the frame and check those locations. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by Dave on 12/24/16 at 04:35:58 When all three of those things go at the same time.....I suspect it is the orange wire that takes the power up to the left side handlebar electrical control. The orange wire takes the power up to the control....and this control works the horn, headlight and turn signals. You can take the left control off the handlebar, and test to see if there is any power to it by using a voltmeter or test light . |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by Ruttly on 12/24/16 at 07:22:14 Hill , Usually when lights have ground issue other lights glow or flash slower or horn is weak.you said things changed when you removed headlight bulb that system looking for a ground anyway it can. Remember that electricity will always take the path of least resistance , so if one ground goes bad it finds the next easiest path back to ground cause all kind of weird stuff to happen. Ever see a cars turn signals or back up light up when they step on the brakes and their brake lights go dim that's a bad ground. Get a piece of wire and try applying a secondary ground to headlight bulb on the ground terminal and see what happens ! |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by 1st2know on 12/24/16 at 10:43:07 6147484C476C43424F260 wrote:
With any electrical problem you should start with these three steps: 1) Make sure the battery is charged. 2) Check the fuses. 3) Clean the battery terminals. These three steps have fixed many, many electrical problems over the years. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by HillSavage on 12/24/16 at 14:43:22 064443055C595840370 wrote:
With any electrical problem you should start with these three steps: 1) Make sure the battery is charged. 2) Check the fuses. 3) Clean the battery terminals. These three steps have fixed many, many electrical problems over the years. [/quote] Will go through these steps on Monday, I am away from bike for a couple days. Thanks for your input. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by HAPPYDAN on 12/24/16 at 15:32:06 3B797E386164657D0A0 wrote:
With any electrical problem you should start with these three steps: 1) Make sure the battery is charged. 2) Check the fuses. 3) Clean the battery terminals. These three steps have fixed many, many electrical problems over the years. [/quote] I picked up a 1986 Honda CT110 last summer, bad shape, had been in storage 4 years. Got the mechanicals sorted out, but had similar electrical issues. Went thru all the wiring, no problems. Added distilled water and charged the battery, cleaned the terminals and connectors including the bulb sockets, put it all back together and it worked fine. Try it. Can't hurt. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by HillSavage on 12/24/16 at 16:13:36 774A51464777544A4046230 wrote:
With any electrical problem you should start with these three steps: 1) Make sure the battery is charged. 2) Check the fuses. 3) Clean the battery terminals. These three steps have fixed many, many electrical problems over the years. [/quote] I picked up a 1986 Honda CT110 last summer, bad shape, had been in storage 4 years. Got the mechanicals sorted out, but had similar electrical issues. Went thru all the wiring, no problems. Added distilled water and charged the battery, cleaned the terminals and connectors including the bulb sockets, put it all back together and it worked fine. Try it. Can't hurt.[/quote] Would you suggest a wire brush to clean connectors? Any kind in particular? |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by HillSavage on 12/24/16 at 16:14:50 6C4B4A4A52473E0 wrote:
Any good links to wiring schematic for '97 LS650? |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by 1st2know on 12/24/16 at 16:56:20 12343B3F341F30313C550 wrote:
A small wire brush would work, if you have one. Some sandpaper, a paper towel, and some isopropyl alcohol would also do the trick. The idea is to clean it, then to scrape off any corrosion, and expose new metal at the point they make contact. After cleaning with alcohol, 5-10 seconds of brushing or sanding is good enough. Good luck! |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by Kris01 on 12/24/16 at 17:48:03 66404F4B406B444548210 wrote:
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by HillSavage on 12/24/16 at 19:14:58 08312A307372430 wrote:
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1294779818[/quote] Word, thanks, that's the one I have saved. Just wanted to be sure! :D |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by HillSavage on 12/24/16 at 19:20:17 286A6D2B7277766E190 wrote:
A small wire brush would work, if you have one. Some sandpaper, a paper towel, and some isopropyl alcohol would also do the trick. The idea is to clean it, then to scrape off any corrosion, and expose new metal at the point they make contact. After cleaning with alcohol, 5-10 seconds of brushing or sanding is good enough. Good luck! [/quote] Cool, I have all that on hand. Are grounds usually visually corroded or just microscopically gunked up? Probably just good practice to clean all grounds occasionally? Are they obvious? Looking at schematic I see these grounds: 1) ignition coil 2) starter 3) battery 4) neutral switch Any other grounds to be aware of? Many thanks, sorry for all the questions... |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by verslagen1 on 12/24/16 at 19:58:35 I just use contact cleaner and a pipe cleaner. then coat it with contact grease. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by batman on 12/24/16 at 21:37:37 The main ground runs from the neg. battery post to a bolt in the engine case just above the oil level sightglass. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by HillSavage on 12/24/16 at 22:19:53 3B382D3438376D61590 wrote:
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but, the ground wiring is all apart of the main wiring harness? The schematic makes them seem like they're almost a part of the major components I listed. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by Ruttly on 12/25/16 at 00:43:20 As Batman said from battery to engine, at the battery end it has another lead that hooks to main harness. Get yourself a tube of dielectric grease and as you inspect the connectors , clean them & apply some to the connectors. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by HillSavage on 12/25/16 at 17:37:47 715657574F5A230 wrote:
Will have time to apply all information given tomorrow, thank you very much. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/25/16 at 19:57:45 5251445D515E0408300 wrote:
A schematic is a diagram of electron flow. Twenty grounds on the diagram may all be handled by one ground connection. The main one is where I would start. If ANYTHING works Right that would indicate that either the battery connections are good or at least good enough to carry That amperage. A ground can look good and even check good with a meter. The meter doesn't require much current. Start demanding that twenty amps pass and that creates heat, which increases resistance, which creates heat. If you can Safely ( don't fry the ignition ) operate the headlight and signals, and feel for anything warm that should not be warm,, that can help track something down. IDK what all doesn't work if the ignition isn't plugged in. |
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Title: Re: Headlights, Turn Signals, and Horn Not Working Post by batman on 12/25/16 at 20:04:55 Hill S. while it's true that most things are grounded through the wiring harness,they all lead back to the battery ground clamp (that needs to be clean and tight) the sparkplug,starter motor, and neutral light switch ground through the motor block to the heavy wire near the oil sightglass, then to the battery (-).clamp........do you have stock turn signal lights or after market? Are they duel filament bulbs? |
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