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Message started by raydawg on 12/20/16 at 05:33:38

Title: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by raydawg on 12/20/16 at 05:33:38

Obama tried deplomacy with re: to addressing pressing foriegn influences.
Results were not what he had hoped, I bet.
Both parties have been guilty of thinking politicians can run this country.
However, reelection becomes their motivation, not repair, at all cost.
Trump seems to believe we can do better with a business mindset...
Run the country ads business, and has drafted those folks into his administration.
This article believes it's wrong....
What say you?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/13/opinions/cabinet-boardroom-michaels-opinion/index.html

Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by Paraquat on 12/20/16 at 09:02:35

The United States is a business. Why shouldn't a businessperson lead it?

We're on the verge of bankruptcy. Why shouldn't a businessperson who knows how to counter guide us through it?


--Steve

Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/16 at 09:48:25

Can the best doctor save a patient who won't stop ingesting poison?

The SYSTEM of the Fractional Reserve , DEBT BASED ,fiat money system is Why everyone who plays poker walks away in debt. The Sovereign Nations who won't join in get
Intervention.

Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by MnSpring on 12/20/16 at 10:06:06

“…But as heads of America’s most important agencies, they’re a troubling fit. …”

I view that as the, PC   Terminology for:
’They won’t pay people, to vote for them.  
or expect, sliders’, for doping things a certain way”

“…These dynamics leave corporate leaders ill situated to run highly pluralistic government agencies — and the public writ large exercise considerable influence — let alone take account of the interests, needs, and lived experiences of working Americans. …”

Hallow. ?   I Thought is was,  BECAUSE,  HRC, (and Party),  did  NOT,
“… take account of the interests, needs, and lived experiences of working Americans…”,
she  Lost !!!!!


I believe, a successful, CEO, can easily see through this phrase:
“ …  where career civil servants …”
(Which is, PC speak for, ‘azz kisser')

“…Imagine appointing judges who don’t believe in the rule of law….”

Did  Rip Van Winkle,  JUST   Wake UP   !!!!!!!!!

And whole lot more.
But, "What Does I Matter", it was written by a,   Very  Big,  ‘Cryer’ !

Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by raydawg on 12/20/16 at 10:30:43

Yeah......
These folks got all smart now, after they wrong about the Queen could not lose to  bozo  ;D

Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by Papa Bear on 12/20/16 at 11:55:34


59687B68787C687D090 wrote:
We're on the verge of bankruptcy.


I’d say you passed the "verge" trillions ago ....
http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedstates



Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by raydawg on 12/20/16 at 12:30:34


292827262524232221100 wrote:
[quote author=59687B68787C687D090 link=1482240818/0#1 date=1482253355]
We're on the verge of bankruptcy.


I’d say you passed the "verge" trillions ago ....
http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedstates


[/quote]

Ouch  :o

Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by Trippah on 12/20/16 at 13:55:00

It really doesn't matter, the national debt is a straw man to make us accept even less from the government and our businesses.  Do you think China is really going to come to the door demanding payment? ;D ;D ;D

First the business ran the pensions, but foisted that off on the workers and the government.  Now the wealthy want to reduce the governments payments to the working people when they retire cause it is too "expensive."  
Oddly enough, the very wealthy earn most their money through the lowest taxed sources, capital gains.  I wonder why it is the lowest taxed??   ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/16 at 16:46:35

Do you think China is really going to come to the door demanding payment?

I don't know if You even know what a great question that is.
So far, all they have been able to accomplish is buying a few properties and profitable companies, best I can tell.
HOW they did the purchasing, IDK. Did they trade debt?

If they bring their T-bills to us and demand payment, we Pay in paper dollars... The T-bills are IOUs that are most valuable once matured.

And what can they Get for the debt they hold? It's an IOU, effectively. They COULD sell the paper, at discount, to Saudi Arabia or anyone else, but, in spite of our debt and the overall economy, regardless of the fact that we aren't in a booming economy, savings accounts pay squat, unemployment is high, and the unemployment numbers we are told are bullshit,
Regardless of All that, our boat is leaking less and sinking slower than anyone else's, so, regardless of how obvious it is that we are headed for a crash. So, people Do buy our debt..

HOWEVER, here's the fly in the ointment, or, turd in the punch bowl,,  

The federal reserve HAS had to Buy the Tbills at times.
America has needed money and nobody showed up to buy.
Try to understand what that means.
Monetizing the debt.
Look that up.

Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by MnSpring on 12/20/16 at 20:33:48


60465D4444555C340 wrote:
" ...  debt is a straw man to make us accept even less ..."

Foreclosing on a  Debt.

Let’s see.  You buy a house.
The  ‘Bubble  Burst’, and you now cannot  pay, the payments you agreed to.
Whatdoyoudo ?

Live in the House,  pay  the City for  water/sewer. Elect, Gas,
And   FORGOT  about the Payments to the Bank !

Bank sends letters, you send letters back,
Bank sends letters, you send letters back,
Bank sends  Letters, you send letters back.

(Don’t pay the  R.E. Taxes,   (Minn you got 7 years of  FREE)

Now, 3-4 months go buy, the Bank says,
“No Choice, we are going to foreclose”
(Which probably takes  ANOTHER 12  Months to complete)

So Now, you, live in your house, at  1/4 (or Less)
than cost of rent. for 12 - 15 months.

Then, the, ‘deadline’.    You pack up, move to  Mom & Dads  Basement,
(After of course  MAXING ALL your Credit Cards, for  TOYS)
Then  File  Bankruptcy.   (After hiding all your  toys)

Now, for the past  12-15  Months,  you have lived, for 1/4 the price of Rent !
For the next year, you have lived,  (Mom & Dads Basement)
for  1/8, the cost of rent.  (Or Less)
You have been  FORGIVEN, of  ALL your  DEBTS.
 (Bankruptcy)

Now, you go out, and  BUY, a New  House !!!!!!!!

Is it ANY  wonder, why,   ‘DEBT’,   is  So,
   “worthless a thing”.
And totally  not understood ????

Remove, ‘ethics’,   Cheat, Lie,  Steel,
and one is,  ’Home  Free” !

All  Because   >>>>>>>>>

Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/20/16 at 20:38:55

What IF the Debt is a sleight of hand Fraud?

Ahh, the chains of slavery are forged in ignorance.

Read
Creature from Jekyll Island.

Look at Iceland. Study what they did.

Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by Papa Bear on 12/21/16 at 05:36:11

Back in "the good old days" when things got this bad you just got in your galleon and headed out to "the new world".

Unfortunately the dark side of humanity followed to the new world as well and set up shop ... rising to the top like a "floater".

Gotta find a way to wrest this new world from the floaters or pay the consequences . I think we're just about out of "new worlds".

Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by Trippah on 12/21/16 at 07:23:20

Mars?? :)

Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by Trippah on 12/21/16 at 07:28:43

Remember the Savings and Loan fiasco, followed by the great home loan scandal where the tax payers paid the bonuses for the big bankers who almost destroyed the banking system??  Too big to fail (a great definition of monopoly to my mind).  For a debt to be real, there has to be a punishment for defaulting.  Who is going to punish the US/  NO OTHER COUNTRY has the military or financial power to fill the vacuum a departed US would create so for now, trillions in debt is really monopoly money. (I couldn't resist) ;D ;D ;D ;D  It is simply a political jingle.

Title: Re: I think here in lies the real separation......
Post by raydawg on 12/21/16 at 08:14:10

It's a house of cards,
To fool the tards.
And merry men.

Who forgot when,
Debt was sin,
From deep within, their den,
They can't wipe their face,
Of their devious grin.

We have the Jog,
Who reports free from the cog,
Courting the likes of Henry....

But as a ship with no sail,
A course plotted to fail....
Gripping the tiller, tho broken the rudder,
Might as well try to milk,
A man and his udder.....

Take heart little snowflakes,
Through thus financial earthquake,
Their is a Don named Trump,
Who surely will hump,
And pull us all along......
And this ends my song!  ;D

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