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Title: Rotella equivalent Post by sauvage on 12/18/16 at 01:19:26 I believe that Rotella outside the USofA is marketed as Rimula, it's not easy to get information on it here and I was wondering is someone could have a look at this Australian product and tell me if it looks like the same thing as the Rotella T6, http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Shell-Rimula-R4X-15W-40-10-Litre/330077 It's $72 for 10L as opposed the the current synthetic I'm using which is $65 for 4L. |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by Steve H on 12/18/16 at 04:20:03 I don't see a JASO MA certification on it. |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by Papa Bear on 12/18/16 at 12:03:08 Looks like the same thing as Rotella-T conventional which is JASO MA rated here in Canada. I would call Shell AU and ask them if conventional Rimula is JASO MA rated |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by sauvage on 12/18/16 at 17:26:15 It looks like they don't recommend it for wet clutches. I'm suspicious about this because I've seen anecdotal evidence that it's ok but I'm not going to argue with the tech department. I can get Rotella T6 in 2.5 gallons from Amazon but they charge $85 deliver :( However I have found that it is available on Australian feeBay for $58 delivered so it's pretty well the same price as the expensive motorcycle oils once you take it up to 4L from one US gallon. So I guess it's not really worth the bother especially as it's 5W40 which maybe won't be so good in a stinking hot climate, even if it does have a tiny bit extra zddp. say 1250 instead of 1000. |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by gizzo on 12/19/16 at 03:55:14 Have a look at Penrite hpr diesel 15w50. Is recommended for wet clutches and can be had on special from supercheap or repco for about $60 / 10 litre on special. |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by sauvage on 12/19/16 at 14:33:13 Funny you should say that because I just had a conversation with the Penrite tech dept and I have decided to settle on the Penrite 10W50 semi synthetic, at about $48 from supercrapauto. I think the 15W50 is a full mineral oil. The 10W40 is a full synthetic at $55 ($70 at Autobarn!) This is an extract of what the patient and helpful Alan Jeffery, from Penrite tech had to say... Both of these bikes [the gs500 and S40 I inquired about] really want oil at 10W-** so I'll stick with that. In Brisbane's heat there's an advantage in getting that right hand number up, not the left (Winter) one. How about the semisynthetic SAE 10W-50? MC410W-50 semi synthetic comes in at 1310 ppm zinc, so there’s a small bonus J. EDIT: I just noticed you are talking about 10L, I might have to revisit that option. |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by Flint on 12/19/16 at 16:13:53 Delo straight 40 is JASO rated. |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by eau de sauvage on 12/19/16 at 17:35:33 @Gizzo, I've just come across the Penrite HPR Gas 10 which is a JASO MA semi synthetic with 1260 Zn that looks pretty good, only $45 at Supercrap for 5L EDIT: I have been informed that it is possible that this becomes friction modified at some time in the future and that would prolly go for the 15W50 HPR I'd guess. So I'll stick with the MC4 10W50 semi with 1310 Zn so I don't have to worry about watching label. |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by gizzo on 12/20/16 at 02:43:07 Sounds good 8-) |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by Papa Bear on 12/27/16 at 11:51:50 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_Rotella_T#Motorcycle_usage |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by verslagen1 on 12/27/16 at 12:37:50 Quote:
There is a new version of T6 for multi vehicles that's not rated JASO MA/MA2 |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/30/16 at 11:17:43 253621203F3234363D62530 wrote:
Does the T4 mean full fossil based, T5 mean Semi-synthetic and T6 mean full synthetic? |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by verslagen1 on 12/30/16 at 11:37:00 2B323E3F3634352F392E38303E223E5B0 wrote:
As far as I know, all rotella is a liquefied natural gas oil. And those titles you've listed don't really mean anything except for the level of refinement. |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by Papa Bear on 12/31/16 at 14:29:15 7B626E6F6664657F697E68606E726E0B0 wrote:
I believe you are correct. |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/31/16 at 14:52:08 3D3C33323130373635040 wrote:
I believe you are correct.[/quote] The reason I asked this is because I like the idea of synthetic being superior lubrication, but for a motorcycle, I don't like the idea of full synthetic, so I have stuck with a semi-synthetic. I will switch to Shell Rotella T5 if, and only if, it can be shown to also meet the ZDDP requirements of the older bikes AND will also work with wet clutches. |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by Papa Bear on 01/01/17 at 07:45:42 After reading your post I PM'd a trusted member of BITOG who is a tribologist. I asked him, if he owned a Suzuki Savage 650 S40, which flavor of Rotella would he use in the bike .... T4, T5 or T6. His response was: "I think I would use the SHELL ROTELLA® T6 FULL SYNTHETIC HEAVY DUTY ENGINE OIL as it has synthetic bases and extra cleaners to keep the rings from coking up." Hope this helps. ;) |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by piedmontbuckeye on 01/01/17 at 08:06:18 1A1B14151617101112230 wrote:
This helps very much - and I really thank you for your time and concern! I am hoping that one (or all) of them will be verified to have enough of the ZDDP !! BTW, what is a "tribologist?" |
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Title: Re: Rotella equivalent Post by Papa Bear on 01/01/17 at 08:39:19 332A26272E2C2D3721362028263A26430 wrote:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/tribologist There is no "perfect" motor oil. It is, like most things in life, the best "compromise" of ingredients to meet a certain goal or situation. Pick what is the most important attributes you require and blend the oil accordingly http://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/api-sn.php To improve one area you will have to sacrifice in another. Like my tire engineer friend says about tires: 1)Long wearing 2)Good traction 3)Low cost pick any two you want, I can't give you all three 8-) |
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