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Title: our grandkids world Post by thumperclone on 12/11/16 at 15:14:17 from the washington post our prez elect: "nobody really knows if climate change is real" soo he nominates a climate change doubter to run the epa FACT (look it up) the 10 warmest years started in 1998 since records have been kept in 1880 the contention is man has not contributed to what may be a natural cycle that we don't comprehend if you doubt we are having an affect fire up your car in your garage with the doors closed im relieved the we may have a man @ epa that will protect us FROM the environment yes we need jobs yes we can compete in the manufacturing sector and yes we can do it without adding more pollution okay off my soapbox |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by raydawg on 12/11/16 at 15:55:43 When you can tell me man was responsible for melting the ice age, I will believe supposition as fact. I am not saying we shouldn't do within our powers to clean up our mess, investigate better energy sources, etc... But until you can prove it as fact, not theory, your belief is no more valid than that of mine, believing God holds all the answers, and is a away better, sustainable lifestyle, upon how we should ALL live. ;D I bet you won't agree, but hey, that's the nature of beliefs.... |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/16 at 16:21:28 Europe has evidence of orchards North of today's Northern limit. The world was covered in glaciers. Great lakes were discussed in geography. Whose SUV caused THAT climate change? The Dire warnings started so long ago. Why, Florida was gonna just get HAMMERED! Bigger, meaner, MORE hurricanes. Florida goes ten years, phhht, nuthin. Perhaps a study of the SUN would be beneficial. It seems to be responsible for, well, our climate. Perpetually wrong and never in doubt. |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/16 at 16:43:58 http://www.surfacestations.org/odd_sites.htm I remember being confused when They announced that the weather stations out in the national forests were being shut down, replaced by New stations, on rooftops, by runways, near air conditioning exhausts.. Gee, why did the temperature go up? The emails from Climate Gate. How many times do people have to get lied to before they wise up? |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/16 at 17:45:17 http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/08/21/the-new-york-times-global-warming-hysteria-ignores-17-years-of-flat-global-temperatures/#79461466895d Lots of inconvenient realities to consider. Not that I expect anyone to READ anything... |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by MnSpring on 12/11/16 at 18:02:58 382439213C293E2F202322294C0 wrote:
(Climate Change, as, Man is Responsible) Started off as, ‘Global Warming” Now, it is, ‘Climate Change”. Both are, Correct ! But here, is where the, ‘al gore’ types, are jumping in. on the LACK of Knowledge, about the Issue. And, Crying, (the equivalent of, racist) “Well then you are all for POLLUTION” First issue; ‘warming’, a-Yea, we are STILL coming out of the last ICE Age ! Next, ‘change’; What part of, BILLIONS of Years, of this spaceship, changing it’s land masses, and climate, do you not understand. (I Remember, 30 + years ago, the, ’scientists’ screaming that another, “Ice Age” was coming) Also remember, a Bridge, (which Fell Down), which, most, ’scientists and engineers’, said was good. (Only a few said, No, that won’t work long term) And after it fell. NOT A SINGLE ONE, (who said it would work), COULD BE FOUND !!!!!!!!!! NOT A SINGLE ONE !!!!!!!! Now the third; ‘Pollution”. Just because, someone says, “No, Man, (or his Cows, as Calf), is NOT, causing ‘Climate Change’.” Does NOT, make true. The ‘other’ group, (and their parrots), saying, “Well then, you are FOR Pollution!” Gee, do you remember the EPA, KILLING a River, The Wildlife In, and around that River, And altering 100’s of thousands, Domestic stock and residents? Remember !!!!!!!! But, NARY a word about it. (EPA is good) LOLOLOLOLOLLOOO YES, do, keep doing, what is good, for everybody on this Planet. Which does, NOT, include, gores CFL’s, and ‘Carbon Taxes’. In fact, the Mercury in landfills, ‘was’ decreasing. UNTIL, gore’s, ‘pushing’ CFL’s, and because, HE pushed them, after they wore out, people just threw them in the garbage. CFL = Compact Florescent Light. (FULL OF MERCURY) Mercury Content in the last 10 years, in lakes, rivers, ground water, landfills, has Risen !!!!! (al gore’s CFL’s) (Hint, buy LED’s !@) 60 Watt Incandescent light bulb, 860 Lumens (Uses 60 Watts) A LED, , 830 Lumens. (uses 8 Watts) 20, 60 watt, light bulbs, 1,200 WATTS. 20, (60 watt equivalent), LED’s, 160 WATTS. (Which uses more Coal to make Electric ?) See, All The people, that KNOW, GW/CC, is a Joke. (As a Political talking point) Are, NOT, “Pollution is OK”. |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by thumperclone on 12/11/16 at 18:07:22 you all have points BUT deny my car in the garage |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by MnSpring on 12/11/16 at 18:21:13 6E726F776A7F68797675747F1A0 wrote:
But What ????? Because someone, KNOWS, the, ‘Climate Change’ Is JUST THAT, Which has been Happening for Billions of Years! But they; “Are in favor of Pollution” ?????? Because al gore and his CFL’s, say so ??????? " ... deny my car in the garage ..." OK, a, 'Cave Man', in a Cave, Several Thousand Years ago. Started a fire in the mouth of the cave. Gee, what Happened, did the Cave GET warmer ?????? OMG, It's the 'CAVE MANS' Fault !!!!!!!! |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by MnSpring on 12/11/16 at 18:24:35 Oh Yea, your gonna say, ‘Carbon Dioxide’. Did I say, in the, ‘FRONT’, of the Cave??????? Because, EVEN, the CAVE man knew, it he built a fire, in the BACK of the Cave, he would not wake up. |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by raydawg on 12/11/16 at 19:16:52 796578607D687F6E616263680D0 wrote:
Buy a battery power car then and run it in your garage.... If that is your fancy, HOWEVER, now, that you can breath, how will you rid yourself of a spent battery? You going to trade earth, over air? BTW, God is the only power source that is self generating, he needs no other input, the real perpetual motion being ;D |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/11/16 at 23:08:01 667A677F627760717E7D7C77120 wrote:
2]you all have points BUT You mean like the little details lik The world was covered in ice, glaciers scooped out the Great Lakes, and, ALL that ice disappeared without a Frisbee factory or a Suburban spewing crap. The Sun isn't a light bulb. Its output changes. Those Martians better curtail their pollution. Mars is Melting | Science Mission Directorate NASA (.gov) › science › science-at-nasa Aug 7, 2003 - The south polar ice cap of Mars is receding, revealing frosty mountains, rifts and curious dark spots. Who we gonna blame that on? I'm so tired of laughing at the The sea is rising! Uhhh, really? Deny your car. What are you saying? |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by WebsterMark on 12/12/16 at 04:44:44 thumper, the proportion of your car to the garage makes your analuseless. look, of course no one denies greenhouse effect is real, that's why we have greenhouses of course. the question is are humans putting enough gases into the atmosphere to SIGNIFICANTLY change the climate? that's not a slam dunk answer. a very short 15,000 years ago, you could not take a boat on the great lakes because they weren't there yet, they were still a glacier. point is, of course every year is warmer than the year before, it has to be. now, are we speeding that up too much and can we do anything about it? as technology moves forward, we'll naturally evolve to differ, cleaner energy sources. my problem is, climate change has been politicized and turn into a giant business. honestly has long ago left that barn... |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by thumperclone on 12/12/16 at 05:39:35 if a politician can benefit from IT IT gets politicized |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by Serowbot on 12/12/16 at 07:24:42 No worries,... we can trash the planet all we want, and God will fix it... Like he does everything else... :-/ |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by raydawg on 12/12/16 at 13:42:13 485E49544C59544F3B0 wrote:
Hey, I think you stumbled on to sumtin..... Politicians must think they are God and can fix everything by implementing the right policies and promoting the right beliefs. Golly, they should teach that in school! |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/12/16 at 20:19:58 485449514C594E5F505352593C0 wrote:
Wow, you really stepped right up and made your point. |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by thumperclone on 12/16/16 at 12:03:00 6670677A62777A61150 wrote:
a meteor would work |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by thumperclone on 12/16/16 at 12:03:47 607F797E63645565556D7F73380A0 wrote:
Wow, you really stepped right up and made your point. [/quote] tyvm ;) |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/16/16 at 20:44:45 7C6A7D60786D607B0F0 wrote:
Hyperbole aside, going to the Point, CO2, and the assertion that the increased CO2 is dooming the planet, let's think about that just a minute. What happens when plants get a bunch of CO2? Plants Grow, use the co2, create oxygen, Gee, a system... arbon Dioxide In Greenhouses www.omafra.gov.on.ca › crops › facts Growers should regard CO2 as a nutrient. ... In greenhouse production the aim of all growers is to increase dry-matter ... Hydrofarm - Carbon Dioxide Enrichment Methods https://www.hydrofarm.com › articles › c... Horticulturists and greenhouse growers have used CO generators to enhance growth rates on plants for many years .... Let's select an injection time interval ( CO2 enrichment time) of every two hours. [PDF] Elevating Carbon Dioxide in a Commercial Greenhouse ... https://www.ars.usda.gov › GPRG › Elev... by JM Frantz - [ch8206]Cited by 4 - [ch8206]Related articles While growers can add supplemental CO2, it is unknown how ... insulated greenhouse without supplemental CO2 at a commercial facility. Simula- ... This also ensured that all injected CO2 would. How to Use CO2 to Increase Cannabis Yields! | Grow Weed Easy www.growweedeasy.com › co2 Learn everything you need to know about CO2 injection... ... After years of research and study by commercial greenhouse growers, we've learned exactly what's needed to get the benefits of ex |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by thumperclone on 12/17/16 at 00:00:24 what about carbon dioxide over load?? seen any photos of bejing?? |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/17/16 at 01:25:42 CO2 Carbon dioxide (chemical formula CO2) is a colorless and odorless gas that is vital to life on Earth. This naturally occurring chemical compound is made up of a carbon atom covalently double bonded to two oxygen atoms. Carbon dioxide - Wikipedia Next. You should look at pictures of some of the California cities before smog pumps catalytic converters. What you're seeing in Bejing is pollution. Pollution caused by industy. Industry that ONCE upon a time was here. But, WHEN it was here, it was regulated and forced to incorporate scrubbers. Interesting project. Go to the auto parts house. Look at a heater core. Look at, feel of a brake disk. Consider mining the raw materials, creating the parts, machining, freight To the docks, across the ocean, freight from the port, to the store. I bought a heater core for $40.00, and an AC evaporator core for $100.00. They aren't making enough money to manufacture and do it responsibly. I'd rather pay more, get a better product and NOT crap on the world. CO2 overload, that's rich. How many times do you have to just get clobbered before you start listening? |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by thumperclone on 12/17/16 at 01:29:42 my bad I ment carbon monoxide what comes outta the tail pipe no need to get nasty... |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by thumperclone on 12/17/16 at 01:31:32 if as you say gw is bs why are the glaciers and ice caps melting??? cold doesn't make ice melt heat does |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/17/16 at 06:44:15 Carbon monoxide is a colorless, odorless, and tasteless gas that is slightly less dense than air. It is toxic to hemoglobic animals when encountered in concentrations above about 35 ppm, although it is ... FYI, hemoglobic animals have hemoglobin in their blood. That's the part Of the blood that carries oxygen to the cells. Once again, nobody,other than the honest scientists and the satellites, say we aren't warming. Try looking at the data and not the propaganda. The first page I post a link. Go read it. You ARE aware that more than one Scientific expedition to go gather evidence that the ice in the North Atlantic was melting has had to be rescued because they got Stuck in the Ice, right? The hurricanes didn't get bigger and more frequent. The ice didn't disappear. The variations have gone on for as long as we've kept records. And GOD I'm sick of typing this crap, BUT, In the seventies, toward the end of There's a mini ice age coming! The people in power decided to stop using weather stations in key rural areas and replaced them with idiotically located ones. On rooftops, near AC exhaust, near runways, which skewed data. If you WANT to be correct more than you Want to feel all superior and more caring about the Earth , YOU'LL go hunt for information that would conflict with what the people who have been caught lying for decades are trying to get you to believe. I've posted proof of the weather stations being manipulated. The link I posted on the first page will get you started. The left SCREAMS about CO2. A reasonably scientific mind unseats that fear. It's Fertilizer for plants.. which make oxygen, which balances the system. Go study the CO2 output of volcanoes in one day. If the left want a cause , get rid of GMO, |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by thumperclone on 12/17/16 at 14:07:27 co not co2... |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/17/16 at 15:07:18 canoes emit around 0.3 billion tonnes of CO2 per year. This is about They were more active and had thousands of years to produce CO2. Why do you continue to argue without even looking anything up? Why don't you ever change your position once it's been proven to be, less than correct? Has ANYONE bothered to even look up Emergency war powers? That's why Congress hasn't declared war in decades.. They are not in charge. |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by thumperclone on 12/17/16 at 16:32:33 CO jog look it up!!! |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/17/16 at 17:06:48 From where? The WHOLE darnED GW BULLSHIT SCREAMING CRYING WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE is about CO2. Now, if you want to change the topic, You drag references in. Some differences between telling people Look up Emergency war powers After talking about the constitution and congress And telling me Look up CO. Why? In reference to what? Now it's the GW problem? Type out a thought,man. |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/17/16 at 17:11:27 485751564B4C7D4D7D45575B10220 wrote:
Try reading that, no, really READ it. I not only looked up CO, I pointed out that You, once again, didnt. Re: our grandkids world Reply #23 - Yesterday at 14:44:15 Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote Modify Remove Carbon monoxide is a colorless, odorless, and tasteless gas that is slightly less dense than air. It is toxic to hemoglobic animals when encountered in concentrations above about 35 ppm, although it is ... It's a COLOR L ESS ODORLESS GAS. I explained the smog in China. Our factories had scrubbers on the stacks. I answered all of it. But you don't read the answer. |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by thumperclone on 12/17/16 at 17:15:06 oh baby duck go back on this post go to your garage and close all the doors sit in your car and fire it up.. that is co tell me if you surive |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/17/16 at 17:21:02 I ever covered THAT. Never mind,, I know how to handle you. Bye. |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by MnSpring on 12/17/16 at 17:25:32 766A776F726770616E6D6C67020 wrote:
If you look up. “Glaciers Melting” You will get Lots of, ‘al gore’, (the Sky is falling) sites. If you look up: “Glaciers Not Melting” You will get as MANY sites. Telling the Truth. Here is a NASA site: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses And here is another one: http://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/4/ One says they are, one says not. The, ‘Cherry Picking”, of Data. Is Very Apparent ! Last Ice Age was only 15,000 +/- years ago, and we are STILL, coming out of it !. Their have been 5 major Ice ages, first one, 2 to 2.5 BILLION Years ago ! The Last One, about 15,000 years ago. Next one expected, in 15 to 30 thousand years from Now. In ALL, Ice Ages, their are warming and cooling times. And al gore, has Nothing to do with it ! (Except, make money, by LYING) Just like the latest, “If it is over 8, you must replace” Totally, completely FALSE ! A clever, commercial, that, ‘mattress companies’, say, to Increase their revenue, because they KNOW, the H.R.C. Voter, will ‘DO as They Say” ! Fact is, if you sleep, ON, the Mattress, ONLY, Yea. Most people don’t, they have a cover, then a pad, then the sheets, etc. And then they wash them. (Global Warming = Replace over 8) Learn the TRUTH, do not, ‘Parrot’ what someone TOLD you to say ! |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/17/16 at 17:32:33 Wish you would have jumped in a lot sooner. I had handed him hizzass a long time ago, but rather than change his position he retreated to some bullshit position and pretended I should have been addressing it. No problem, he's not gonna learn, so, I'll just ignore his replies. I'll post an answer and be done. I wonder if he even wonders what melted the ice age. Don't these people know that the sun varies in output? It's not constant. |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by MnSpring on 12/17/16 at 18:44:35 6B747275686F5E6E5E66747833010 wrote:
LOL, Little thing here, called, 'snow'. Needed Cleaning out. |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by thumperclone on 12/17/16 at 21:59:54 clueless x2 |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by WebsterMark on 12/18/16 at 06:07:45 There are only a few actual facts that matter about global warming. 1) Every IPCC estimate of future temperature has been higher than actual. Higher, not lower. I believe there have been 5 and all 5 were too high. Ask yourself why. If you've ever written a position paper or lobbied your boss for a project you wanted to pursue, you know the answer. You either sub-consciously or purposely manipulate whatever data is needed to support your cause. 2) The earth is some 4 billion years old. Dinosaurs roamed 65 million years ago. In the grand scheme of things, we've been around for a very short period of time. A very short 15,000 years ago, you could not have stood on the Chicago shores of Lake Michigan because it wasn't there. It was covered under a giant glacier that was in the process of receding. So why is it surprising we are warming today than in the past? 3) Finally, science encourages debate with two notable exceptions: the mystery of the origins of life and global warming. You cannot propose new theories on those two topics without facing the threat of blackballing. You can say gravity is caused by green apples and you'll be fine, but suggest that global warming is not a significant event and you're screwed. Again, ask yourself why. That's a little more complicated answer. |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/18/16 at 10:08:39 3428352D302532232C2F2E25400 wrote:
Runby, toss your bomb, say nothing, and pretend you won. So shallow. |
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Title: Re: our grandkids world Post by MnSpring on 12/19/16 at 17:09:39 607C617964716677787B7A71140 wrote:
clueless x2 Please Explain. Is: “clueless x2“ Meant only for JOG, or for me also? (Actually a lot of others have pointed out your fallacy) Pointed out your, ‘fallacy’, by FACTS. Not the, ‘al gore, stuff your pockets’, by LYING ! |
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