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Title: Pleats on oil filter Post by sauvage on 12/07/16 at 23:21:47 Sorry to be so anal about this but you know how it is. So I didn't want to pay $25 bucks for another Suzuki oil filter because they are way overpriced here in OZ, I can even buy the OEM's cheaper from the UK including shipping! So I bought a pack of 3 for less than $30 they are suppose to be made in Germany. Anyhoo, the Suzuki LS filter I removed had 120 pleats, and these ones (although the whole thing seem well made) only have 80 pleats. For reference my GS500 K&N oil filter has 100 pleats but it's a deeper filter. Tell me I don't need to be concerned. This is the second oil change not counting the initial 1000km change. Using synthetic 15W50 as it's super hot in the summer here in Queensland and not cold in the winter. Also the bike does seem to run very hot I'll be checking the plugs soon. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Kenny G on 12/07/16 at 23:26:28 Sauvage, I don't think the number of pleats means anything other than the difference in manufacturing equipment and techniques. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Boofer on 12/07/16 at 23:52:43 I always ran HiFloFiltro oil and air filters. I believe the oil filter was HF135 or 137. Anyway look them up. Around $5-6 here in Mississippi. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Dave on 12/08/16 at 03:28:02 The number of pleats is relative to the surface area of the filtering media. The larger the fold count....the more filter material there is. How many pleats are too few - I dunno. They probably all flow fine when new, as the filter paper becomes dirty, the one with more pleats will be able to flow the oil with less restriction. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Papa Bear on 12/08/16 at 05:15:46 Number of pleats AND DEPTH OF PLEATS will give surface area of filtering material. Use your new filters with confidence. The Suzuki dealer here in Canada charges $5.95 for OEM filter. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Kenny G on 12/08/16 at 09:39:27 Bear, That is about what I pay at a dealer here in Texas for the OEM filter. I change my filter every time I change oil but I don't think that often is totally necessary. When I change oil in a motorbike I drain the oil into an aluminum pan, I then allow the oil in the pan to remain in-disturbed for an hour and then dump it into a gallon jug for recycling. I look at the pan for any sludge that may have accumulated. If there is no sludge in the pan I know the air filter and oil filter are doing there job. Back in the olden times the BSA Gold Star did not have an air filter, nor an oil filter, and we changed oil every 1000 miles. When one changed oil there would be a layer of sludge in the drain pan. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by HAPPYDAN on 12/08/16 at 09:42:43 A bit off topic here, but have you experienced any clutch slippage or hard shifting with the synth oil? Most of us use Rotella T, which works fine. Some wet clutch bikes don't work well with synthetic oil. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Kenny G on 12/08/16 at 10:09:53 Dan, I only have 7000 miles on my S40 using the Rotella Synthetic and so far there is no evidence of the clutch slipping. I understand if the clutch starts slipping a change to Rotella Dino cures the clutch slipping problem within a few miles. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/08/16 at 10:17:01 The pleats are for capturing grease worms , more pleats the more worms you catch ! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by batman on 12/08/16 at 11:25:30 Running 15w50 isn't helping your bike run cooler ,you'd run cooler running 15 0r 10w 40 ,and your motor would still be protected.50 weight doesn't flow as well ,and causes the motor to run warmer ! 40w, will dissipate heat better.(we've seen this before). |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by ditz on 12/08/16 at 11:45:56 Batman is probably correct about the oil. It sure makes sense to me anyway. You also need to make sure your ignition timing is correct and that you are not running lean. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by sauvage on 12/08/16 at 15:20:09 @HAPPYDAN, as far as I know synth is fine as long as it has not friction modifiers. I've been using on my gs for the past 15,000kms with not the slightest problem re slippage. @Ruttly, at the initial oil change there were lots of grease blobs in the filter, but just one small one on this 6,000km change @Batman, I ended up using the 15W50 Silkolene Comp 4 because that is what I was using on the GS and I wanted to use the same oil, seeing as they are both 30 year old bikes and the GS runs very cool. I guess it's a bit of a trade off because it's really really hot here for about 6 months of the year the rest of the time it's mostly hot, except when it's warm. I might go to a lighter weight though next oil change just to see if there is a difference because synth is supposed to keep it's viscosity better anyway. @ditz, ha, after reading up in timing I don't even want to think about it. I'm waiting for delivery of a motion pro feeler gauge because it was so difficult checking the valve clearances last time with normal gauges, I'll check the plugs then. FWIW, this is how Fuchs replied to my question about their oil. Silkolene Comp 4 grades already contain ZDDP, the use of extra additives is unnecessary and we would not recommend it. There are minimum phosphorus levels required for the JASO MA2 standard that our oils meet - therefore you can be sure that any MA2 registered oil will have at least 800ppm phosphorus, and this is always delivered in the form of ZDDP. The typical level of zinc for comp 4 is 1000ppm, phosphorus 900ppm. Kind regards Ajax Yhap Automotive R+D Chemist FUCHS Lubricants (UK) plc |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Flint on 12/08/16 at 15:38:57 Sauvage, Try ordering the filter for the DR650. They are the exact same filter as for the S40. They may be cheaper to buy as there are so many DR650 bikes around. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by batman on 12/08/16 at 16:51:54 There isn't anything you need to do about timing, but Ditz is correct that if you haven't checked your spark plug or adjusted your carb,you could be running lean which will also make you run hotter.(carb is set lean from the factory to meet admission standards) .It's fine to stay with synthetic oil as they could care less about temps as high as 500F ,but I'd still think you'd be better off with 40 weight.with 50w you may have an increase in oil pressure ,but you have a decrease in oil flow,and oil acts as a coolant in any air cooled motor. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Rodger on 12/08/16 at 18:35:28 FWIW.. I mentioned this in some other thread... KN-137 filters can be found on Amazon for $5.17 each as an "add-on" item. That means if you order $25+ from Amazon you can add on the oil filter for 1/2 what auto parts stores charge. I installed this filter at the break-in oil change, then ordered 2 from Amazon when ordering some other stuff. Working fine, so far. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by sauvage on 12/08/16 at 20:18:06 OK batman, I've been thinking about a dyna muffler for a while so if I'm going to rejet I suppose now is a good time to do it. If I just put a dyna on as it is, (a baffled dyna) what effect would that tend to make it leaner or richer or not do anything. 2. What do I need to do to enriched the mixture. Do I need some sort of a complete jet kit, or just a main jet, or just some fiddling around with the carb? I've copied this huge post on rejetting from docs.google which has apparently been culled from this forum but it covers too much information that is not relevant. I've completely stripped the carbs off my old bmw and rebuilt them so I feel comfortable in tackling a carb rebuild but I'm hoping to just do something and that it will be right first time. Is that too much to ask? Am I going to have to fiddle with jets, and pull it apart a few times to get it right? thx 7E7D68717D7228241C0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by batman on 12/08/16 at 21:04:29 There's a good chance you will have to at least change the main jet , but don't put the horse before the cart! first ,all the screws are JIS, that is Japanese Industrial standard, they look like Phillipshead but the depth of the X is much shallower and using the wrong screwdriver could strip the heads .carefully read the tech. section 1) idle mixture screw 2)white spacer mod 3)testing your main jet ,you can do all of these with your stock motor. If you go to the Harley muffler you will need to revisit all again.I cant advise you about jet sizes or how many washers to do the spacer mod or wear your air screw needs to be ,and we don't even know your elevation.THat being said, if you do these carefully your bike will run like a different animal and we won't be able to slap the smile off your face! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by sauvage on 12/10/16 at 00:04:53 @Batman, OK, I've ordered a JIS screwdriver and I may as well do the dyna mod first so I don't have to do it twice, will pick one up and do the three things you suggest after I attach the dyna, will prolly happen Jan next year. No doubt I'll be posting about it when that occurs. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by gizzo on 12/10/16 at 11:25:31 15w50 won't give you any problems at all. It'll be fine. I'm using it (penrite hpr diesel 15w50, fwiw) and I'm not concerned. My savage is only 31 yo and runs like a clock. Touch wood. I also didn't have to rejet or do the spacer mod for the loud pipe, but it might be different for your brand new bike. Not looking forward to another Adelaide summer here. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by sauvage on 12/10/16 at 12:39:19 @gizzo, I'm not really concerned at the oil weight especially as it's in the manual and it ragingly hot in brisvegas too, but your vintage would not have been set to run lean from the factory. I'm going to whip the plug out when my new motion pro feeler gauge gets here then I'll report back. I hope it's not glazed. Every single new LS I looked at with a few thousand k's on it had blue pipes. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/10/16 at 12:46:58 644A416C5D4E5C472F0 wrote:
The more pleats means more filter surface area as the paper is larger thus folded more to fit into the same space. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Kenny G on 12/10/16 at 13:44:22 Buckeye wrote: "The more pleats means more filter surface area as the paper is larger thus folded more to fit into the same space". The only way that you can prove that point is to take 2 filters apart that have a different number of pleats on each and measure the length. I have done this, admittedly the filters are used filters, the lengths of the paper are almost identical. The paper was about a thousandth and a half thicker on the filter with the least number of pleats. I rest my case. Kenny G |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by batman on 12/12/16 at 21:19:24 If your pipes are bluing ,If your a mountain man your running rich,if your a flatlander your running lean. If your between sea level and 1000ft elevation your lean!If you put on a dyna muffler your running leaner!running rich may make your plug need cleaning,running lean makes your bike run hotter,increases wear and burns valves,which do you choose?(I was broke once ,now I prefer to be a little rich) :D |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by sauvage on 12/13/16 at 01:37:02 @Batman, the pilot screw was 1 and a half turns out, I turned it out to two and it increased a little in rpms, but turning it more did nothing at all, so the jet is definitely too small, the Suzuki shop said the oem pilot was 50 so I ordered a 52.5 on the way and they said that the OEM main was 145, I went to order 147.5 but they said the next one was 150 so I might have to check that because there is supposed to be a 147.5 but they said there wasn't!? But if the dyna is leaner still prolly the 150 will be good. Anyhoo, just turning the pilot out that extra 1/2 a turn made a big difference, (the gf was impressed) cooler and idles better. I'm right at sea level hear, in fact it's just 2 minutes away. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/17/16 at 06:00:09 0E202B063724362D450 wrote:
No matter how you do it, the number of pleats does mean more surface area providing the depth of each pleat (as mentioned by someone above) is the same. This provides more surface area for the oil to flow through. I assume your filters were different brands, and thus some of the difference. Also, you didn't mention how much "overlap" each had. Any overlap would reduce the surface area to less than what would be the surface area if the paper were "stretched" out flat. There are two main issues with filters. A filter's micron rating - the smallest particle that can pass through it. When I worked as a purchasing agent for a nationally known plastics injection company (that had over 75 HUGE hydraulic machines in each facility) we used to order some filters with a 5, 10 or 15 micron rating. The smaller the number the more it filtered out. However smaller micron rating means less oil flow. Therefore, increasing the surface area of the filter material (like putting in pleats) allowed for oil flow and still filtered out down to the specified micron. The other issue with filters is oil flow. If you filter the oil well, but starve the engine (or whatever) you will still not be sufficient. Therefore increasing surface area will accomplish this. My guess is that the two filters you tested were differing brand with differing mfg. procedures. However the one with MORE pleats (assuming the depth of each pleat is the same) will provide more filtering surface! Years ago, after the plastics company job, I did some research (most of the details I have forgotten) for the micron rating for the filter in my car. Most automotive related filters do not even specify micron. However, if my memory serves me correctly I think the standard auto filter was 15 micron. Going to a smaller micron might get more particles out, but could starve the engine's critical components, and going to a larger micron would not filter out enough of the contaminants. Check it out! I rest my case! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by norm92de on 12/17/16 at 20:37:27 I don't know how many pleats my girlfriend's skirt had but what was underneath was always delightful. :) |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/18/16 at 05:00:04 21203D22767D2B2A4F0 wrote:
Why take this to the slimy gutter? |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by norm92de on 12/18/16 at 13:16:37 I think a sense of humor is required. Filters are pretty cheap, Suzuki engines are certainly not. The gutter may be where you end up if you put a compromised filter on your bike. :) I like the idea that the warranty is supplied by the same company that made the filter. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/18/16 at 14:49:25 I purchased my last one from my local Suzuki dealer, and I agree with you. It cost me around $8.00 and that isn't too much in my opinion. However, I am sure there must be some cheapie replicas out there. I would however, purchase one by a brand name such as Fram if they make one. By the way, also, I just purchased a few months ago my Suzuki, and I wanted to do the oil change (even though I was told it was just done) for my own piece of mind. Does anyone know what size the cover "O" ring is (in conventional numbering of o-rings) and also the inner one that seals the filter itself to the engine. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Kris01 on 12/18/16 at 20:08:03 6D747879707273697F687E767864781D0 wrote:
If you stretch out the filter media and make it flat, you can find the area of the media. If you fold 5 pleats in it, it's the same area as folding 100. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by sauvage on 12/18/16 at 21:44:36 I think the best point made here, one that did not occur to me is the micron rating. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Kris01 on 12/19/16 at 17:35:58 Sometimes I think the whole micron thing is a sales gimmick. Obviously you want the filter to catch all the garbage flowing through your oil but at what point do we say enough already? The smallest of particles that float by the bearings won't hurt anything. If the particle is smaller than the bearing clearance then it will never scar the bearing. Just replace the filter when you're supposed to and you're golden! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/24/16 at 06:11:52 4C756E743736070 wrote:
Whenever there is clearance on one side of the bearing for that "little particle" to pass, there is the other side where that little particle could do a lot of damage over time because there is less space. Micron is important per the specs of the original mfg. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/24/16 at 06:16:21 724B504A0908390 wrote:
If you stretch out the filter media and make it flat, you can find the area of the media. If you fold 5 pleats in it, it's the same area as folding 100.[/quote] Not true! If the pleats are a different size then your description would be true, IF and only If, the overlap is the same! Assuming the same size (sq. inch-wise) if each pleat, more pleats has to yield more surface area for filtering. Less pleats means less surface area for filtering. It is a matter of physics. Check it out. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/24/16 at 14:54:59 Only 2 bad oil filters The one that doesn't get a timely replacement The one that get a timely replacement but gets installed backwards Really guys oil wars are ten times as interesting ! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Kris01 on 12/24/16 at 17:45:19 piedmontbuckeye, take a sheet of paper and fold it as many times as you want. It's still the same single sheet of paper. Now leave it flat. The surface area is still the same. That's the only point I was trying to make. Different brands/part numbers may have a smaller/larger filter area. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/24/16 at 18:53:16 Different brands/part numbers may have a smaller/larger filter area. And the microns, let's not forget about the microns. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/26/16 at 03:59:36 18213A206362530 wrote:
That same sheet of paper folded different ways doesn't have the same "exposure" to filtering! Did you ever take a physics class? That's the point I was trying to make! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by hotrod on 12/26/16 at 04:45:23 Oil filter or air filter . Use them. That's all. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Papa Bear on 12/26/16 at 05:39:50 NAPA "Silver" "Pro-Select" and WM "SuperTech" meet warranty requirements. Anything more is overkill. I had an early 70s Volksagen Beetle that had no oil filter, I ran that car for nearly 200,000 miles and traded it. it was running great when I let it go. I spent years on BITOG (Bob Is The Oil Guy) looking for the perfect oil and filter.... I came to realize the perfect oil and filter was the one "on sale". Conventional oil, cheap brand name filter and regular changes - you'll never wear it out. ;) |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/26/16 at 06:46:03 Papabear , you are so correct. To bad nobody here gets it, eyes that don't see, ears that can't hear and a mouth that, ok you get it , I've already been moderated twice in this dumb topic. Change you oil & filter as per manual with whatever you like and it should last awhile ! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/26/16 at 13:04:20 090807060504030201300 wrote:
I partially agree/disagree. I think that oil and filter may be the most important part of maintaining anything. However, my motorcycles have been different for me. I want to do as best I can. I agree, that the so-called "super filters" and some of the super-additives, are more than likely over-kill and probably throwing money down the drain. But . . keeping the oil clean (both changing often and using a reputable oil filter) is the best way to keep this thing running great. I plan on keeping this bike for the rest of my life (hopefully another 10 years or so!) so I will do extra oil changes, and use the best appropriate oil and filter I can find! Nothing is too good for my toy! PS Please don't tell my wife I said that!!! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Papa Bear on 12/26/16 at 14:12:16 I finally came to realize that whether I agreed or not didn't alter the simple truth. The truth set me free ..... :P |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Kris01 on 12/26/16 at 14:55:18 435A56575E5C5D4751465058564A56330 wrote:
Ok, this is starting to lead into an argument. I'll make one point and then I'm done with this topic. The pleated element in the filter housing is exposed to the oil. ALL of it! The entire thing filters. Area is area no matter how many times you fold or bend the same sheet. An oil filter, well...filters. Use a quality brand with a good reputation and be content in knowing your engine will last a long time. I'm not too concerned with the who filters the smallest microns mumbo jumbo. The garbage filters will weed themselves out of business. I stick with tried and true. :) |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/26/16 at 15:14:55 Ok lets totally beat the dead horses head in. You are both wrong,neither of you accounted for how much the filter media swells when saturated with oil ! Now go back and do it all over ! I almost think cheapnewbie has a hand in this one ! ;D adolf |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/26/16 at 15:45:16 Two Frikken Shay. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Dave on 12/27/16 at 04:08:29 HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT: Next time you fella's change your filter - cut up the old one, spread out the paper element and measure how long it is. (I assume they have to have a similar width to fit in the housing). Or for a cleaner approach - measure the depth of the pleat and count how many folds there are. It would also be nice if you remembered the brand. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by ohiomoto on 12/27/16 at 06:51:31 EXTRA CREDIT: Get a life and stop obsessing over the small stuff! Ha, ha... Just messing with you guys. Carry on. :) |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/27/16 at 11:03:48 I don't think he's joking |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by batman on 12/27/16 at 12:19:20 I never change my oil filter,I figure a dirty filter catches more than clean one (I am joking). If you're that worried put in a magnetic oil drain plug,thats better than counting pleats in your filter. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/27/16 at 15:19:01 I'm going to make a set of blinds for my garage window with all those filters I cut apart, I just have to line up the pleats !!! Top that one! ;D |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by SALB on 12/27/16 at 16:16:21 I'm going to use mine to bake cup cakes! :P :P :P |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/27/16 at 16:20:18 Suggest you run synthetic oil ,then. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/27/16 at 19:42:11 Way to go guys ! That's how to kill a topic ! Great work ! Topic Terminated ! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Kris01 on 12/27/16 at 19:58:43 56554059555A000C340 wrote:
There's a thread around here somewhere where Oldfeller stuck a big magnet on his filter to catch any metallic particles. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by IslandRoad on 12/28/16 at 11:24:14 Eau, I ordered jets from http://www.mikunioz.com/. They're based in Queensland and do mail orders. I rang the guy to ask some questions and he was really helpful. The jets arrived in a couple of days. The part numbers are: Main Jet (N100-604) Pilot Jet (N151.067) I couldn't find the parts using the menu system on the website, but I just put "Mikunioz" and the part number into Google and went straight to the page. The jets are $6.60 each and they charge $8.80 for the shipping. Main Jet: http://www.mikunioz.com/shop/n100-604-main-jet-large-round/ Pilot Jet: http://www.mikunioz.com/shop/n151-067-pilot-jet-non-bleed-type/ The jet sizes ARE available in 2.5 increments, and there IS a 147.5 - I just bought one. Edit: I quoted the wrong post on this reply - I removed all the quoted stuff. This post was in response too an early comment by the op about sourcing jets 8-) |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/30/16 at 11:28:12 122B302A6968590 wrote:
Ok, this is starting to lead into an argument. I'll make one point and then I'm done with this topic. The pleated element in the filter housing is exposed to the oil. ALL of it! The entire thing filters. Area is area no matter how many times you fold or bend the same sheet. NOT true!! If it overlaps, it may be exposed to oil, but ONLY the filtering is done by one layer, the first layer the oil goes through! Think for example if you simply wound it up into a circle and it was coiled 3 or 4 layers deep. Would you get the same filtering as if it were only coiled with no overlap? [/quote] I've been through all this when I was a purchasing agent for the plastics factory purchasing commercially used filters - from some of the same companies that make auto filters! I agree with your second statement, however, if one changes oil regularly, and uses a good brand name filter each time, there will be nothing to worry about. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/30/16 at 12:27:44 Hitler said shutup.. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/30/16 at 12:55:29 3B242225383F0E3E0E36242863510 wrote:
You don't have to read them! What's the purpose of using "Hitler"? |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/30/16 at 13:39:19 That answer is found in the posts above. Yes, I Have to read it. Just like I have to follow the car at 1:00 A.M. that's weaving all over the road. It's just so entertaining and I never know if the ditch is gonna swallow him up. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by SALB on 12/30/16 at 16:30:52 Since this post just won't die, how many of you remember the old farmers using a roll of toilet paper instead of a cartridge filter on the old farm trucks and tractors? ::) |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/30/16 at 20:13:00 Finned aluminum housing with steel core that used a roll of butt wipe as the element , I still have one some where in the garage. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/30/16 at 20:17:22 Oh yeah and no pleats to count & measure ! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Dave on 12/31/16 at 03:47:29 103736362E3B420 wrote:
How many sheets? Scented? :-? |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/31/16 at 04:41:01 2F3036312C2B1A2A1A22303C77450 wrote:
Hmmm......? I thought this web site attracted only serious thinkers about motorcycle information. I guess I was wrong! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/31/16 at 10:13:30 Single ply, two ply,scented,non scented just simply roll enough off till it fits in the housing,spin it on Have no idea of micron rating of Charmin! ;D ;D Serious thinkers here ? |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Kris01 on 12/31/16 at 10:52:25 766F63626B6968726473656D637F63060 wrote:
Have you read some of our posts? ;D |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/31/16 at 11:41:31 I guess you were wrong ! :( Unfortunately it also attracts wackos like ME ! ;D Use caution not all of us are mentally stable . Lighten up , we have fun here and we take our bikes very seriously ! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by batman on 12/31/16 at 12:28:15 I'm with Ruttly ,lighten up! worry about ,oil/oil level,cam chain/cam chain adjuster,carb jetting/running to lean ,those things that can do real damage !not a filter! I have a 1200 kawa voyager that runs nothing but a screen,no filter! and your sweating pleats,give us a brake! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Papa Bear on 12/31/16 at 13:56:16 Those toilet roll filters were/are bypass filters .. not full flow filters. Like a Frantz http://www.frantzfilters.com/ |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/31/16 at 14:26:50 So is your average automotive filter that only filters at idle & very low rpm! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 12/31/16 at 14:48:26 2526332A2629737F470 wrote:
Whaaaaa! Whaaaaa! :'( |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/31/16 at 16:26:09 I was nice yesterday , that means it's my turn to be moderated ! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Ruttly on 12/31/16 at 16:38:16 It's a well known fact that when a conversation has gone on waay too long that someone in that conversation will say his name in an effort to change the subject. I'm that person ! |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by eau de sauvage on 01/01/17 at 05:22:32 OK thanks for that information glad I came back here to check what all the fuss is about in this thread as I would have missed your post I think I asked the question you have just answered in a different thread!, it will be useful 675D424F404A7C414F4A2E0 wrote:
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 01/01/17 at 06:46:53 4F4C4F5B4D454B2E0 wrote:
I had a professor in college who sold these as a side job to make some money. I always distrusted the idea! But, if I remember correctly, they had "testimonials" from a taxi cab company and a trucking company. Not in MY car!! I think, if I remember correctly also, that the flow of oil wasn't from inside to outside or vice-versa as per traditional paper element oil filters but from end to end. I never could understand that. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by Serowbot on 01/01/17 at 07:15:17 6 pages on filter pleats... I want some of what yer' smokin'.... ;D |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 01/01/17 at 08:09:42 5244534E56434E55210 wrote:
I have to admit, I get a little anal about being precise - especially when I am right!!! ;) |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by SALB on 01/01/17 at 12:59:24 3C252928212322382E392F272935294C0 wrote:
I had a professor in college who sold these as a side job to make some money. I always distrusted the idea! But, if I remember correctly, they had "testimonials" from a taxi cab company and a trucking company. Not in MY car!! I think, if I remember correctly also, that the flow of oil wasn't from inside to outside or vice-versa as per traditional paper element oil filters but from end to end. I never could understand that.[/quote] Back in the day, the "good ole boys" didn't run auxiliary filters. This was before spin ons, and they just used TP instead of buying pleated filters. |
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Title: Re: Pleats on oil filter Post by piedmontbuckeye on 01/01/17 at 14:13:05 "Back in the day, the "good ole boys" didn't run auxiliary filters. This was before spin ons, and they just used TP instead of buying pleated filters." I remember those back in the '50's and '60's as the filter fit down in a canister and the lid was closed on top. Remember the air filters that were more of a mesh, and also fit into a larger dia. canister on top of the carburetor, and had a level of oil in it to help capture dust and dirt particles? We really are getting old! |
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