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Message started by WebsterMark on 12/04/16 at 14:29:49

Title: butt kicking
Post by WebsterMark on 12/04/16 at 14:29:49

I saw the red/blue election results map county by county, but the numbers behind it tells us a lot.

There are 3,151 counties in the 50 states.

Trump won 3,084, Hilary 57.

But she won popular vote by 2 million last I saw.

So, what does that tell you?

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by raydawg on 12/04/16 at 15:22:30

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Reply #1 - 10/20/16 at 08:26:46 Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote Trump has more hats and bumper stickers...
Hillary has more votes...
Oregon +12
Washington +14

She's even ahead in Arizona...
Texas is now a swing state... Huh

You guys with blinders on, are in for a shock...
Better make your big boy panties,.. Depends...

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by raydawg on 12/04/16 at 15:36:37

I tried to find my post, but I can't, arg.....

It had to do with me sharing about how disease travels faster in highly populated areas.

I don't think anybody picked up on my subtle hint that mental illness seems a transmittable disease in these "liberal" cities ;D

Whats funny, she had to fight for the slam dunk, as these folk would never vote for a conservative, wasting time and energy she could have spent on the rust belt ;D

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by Serowbot on 12/04/16 at 17:05:08

4E7C7B6A6D7C6B54786B72190 wrote:

There are 3,151 counties in the 50 states.

Trump won 3,084, Hilary 57.

But she won popular vote by 2 million last I saw.

So, what does that tell you?

Republicans have mastered the art of gerrymandering...

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by raydawg on 12/04/16 at 17:09:08

697F68756D78756E1A0 wrote:

[quote author=4E7C7B6A6D7C6B54786B72190 link=1480890589/0#0 date=1480890589]

There are 3,151 counties in the 50 states.

Trump won 3,084, Hilary 57.

But she won popular vote by 2 million last I saw.

So, what does that tell you?

Republicans have mastered the art of gerrymandering... [/quote]

Nope.....

Strike one.

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by pg on 12/04/16 at 17:20:45

Bot, what part of Canada are you moving to? If I remember correctly,Web said he would throw in a few bucks for the moving truck....

Best regards,

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by raydawg on 12/04/16 at 17:30:34

Well what the numbers tell me is that diversity is only relevant if you live in a big city like NY, or LA.
Were they all think alike, and are packed in like rats.

A vast expanse of the rest of the nation is only ignorant hicks, AKA, deplorable....

No doubt Trump would be screaming too if he had one popular votes and lost, you have that in common with him.

I guess we can call you the "dependables" even if you can't fit into the big boys ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by WebsterMark on 12/04/16 at 17:46:04

1006110C14010C17630 wrote:

Republicans have mastered the art of gerrymandering... [/quote]

No, that applies to congress, not county to county, which is where people choose to live.

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by thumperclone on 12/04/16 at 23:51:06

how many live in los ageless county compared to ANY rual county in lets say north Dakota??

compairing counties is inordinate

the senate has 2 senators per state
the house has X amount of reps per population

in a few more days the electoral college votes then (I think) congress ratifies the results

NTL she won the popular vote by 2.3 mil
but he won the electoral collage

so far

when he is ratified I hope he can make ALL of U.S. more prosperous

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by Serowbot on 12/05/16 at 08:15:35

By county is ridiculous....
Trump won Loving county, Texas,... population 82...
Hillary won LA county,... population 10 million...
Hillary won 88 of the top 100 largest counties...

Overall Trump won approximately 2,600 counties to Clinton’s 500, or about 84% of the geographic United States.
Hillary won the vote... by near 2.5 million...

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/05/16 at 09:04:52

That idiots congregate into little enclaves doesn't shock me.
Everyone is represented. The system is fair. Oddly, Dems liked it before. What lost the election is what level of disgusting human being was chosen, and the facts mentioned below.
America simply isn't doing well. The n o n idiots know that.
Yeah, this is a coupla years old, but the points made and general information about it looks reasonable enough to me.
With migration, due to economics, or just, climate, family, whatever, an areas population and voting dynamics can be changed. Texas has seen an influx of Californians. People who sold their property and brought their dollars to Texas.
That California place sold handed them enough money to come to Texas and buy bigger, nicer, rural property and get away from the hordes of people.
Why would anyone Choose to be in such a place as S.F. California or New York city? Something wrong with people who choose to live in a gerbil cage.. How sad a moment it must be to realize that the career one has chosen requires being in one of those big cities in order to really make it.
Advertising, NY, Computers, California,

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-the-electoral-college-favors-democrats-and-why-republicans-must-change-it/article/2549447

I don't agree with changing the EC. I might be swayed, but for now, even though it seems to favor dems, I think it's fair. Could it be better? Maybe, but I don't see a plan for a better system.
I agreed that the health care system needed to be improved. I condemned Bamicare. Change isn't improvement. Yes, Virginia, Improvement REQUIRES change, but that doesn't make any change an improvement.
The tax system needs to be changed, but some ideas for that change are obviously flawed and will obviously be worse than what we have, and just because we haven't tried it doesn't make it a good idea. Maybe we haven't tried it because it's been considered and seen as the bad idea that it is.

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by WebsterMark on 12/05/16 at 10:19:33

4650475A42575A41350 wrote:

Where did you get 2600 to 500? I saw her with only 57.

Which is the question I guess. We are a Republic, not a democracy. Should 50 counties decide for other 3000?

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by WebsterMark on 12/05/16 at 10:39:37

We had this on a smaller scale in the state of Missouri a few years ago over an election about puppy mills. you know the dog stores you used to see in malls were you could buy a cute little puppy? A referendum was started in St. Louis and gathered enough signatures from St. Louis, Kansas City and Springfield, the three largest metropolitan areas. The referendum had to do with breeding puppies. The rural counties cried foul, but to no avail. their point was the way the law was written it would prevent them from breeding livestock in many instances. The three large population centers outnumber the rural areas 10to 1, not unlike large US population centers outnumber the rest of the country by a large margin.

After the legislation was signed into law, what quickly became clear was the problems feared up by the rural counties began appearing and created massive problems for them. The state legislature , which is composed of one representative from each county plus a certain number of senators, passed a law that undid the referendum. It passed overwhelmingly because of the support from all the rural representatives.

so it seems pretty clear to me large populations, with a variety of living environments, can't be ruled by a democracy, it has to be a representative republic.

so the moral of the story, in my mind anyway, is the electoral college is the correct method for selecting a president. I think the county by county results demonstrate that.

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by MnSpring on 12/05/16 at 11:39:41

Electoral college (I believe), was started, Because the Rural Areas, were Not Populated.
( And only the people in the Urban area, are ’smart’ enough to know the issues)

That, has Changed !

To Eliminate that, (Fed), Amendment. Is a Lot of work.
(And would not be fair)
To, Keep it as it is Now.
(Still not fair)

Solution: 48 States, be like Maine and NE.
Where, Those Two States,
Takes their Electoral Votes, and divides them.

Of all the votes, in those Stats.
2, (as to how the, entire, State voted, goes to that person)
Then, 1 Vote, Per Every, District,
(as to how That District, voted, goes to that person)

Case in point;
(With just 2 States),
Calf., 55 electoral college votes, and Minn with 10.
Last election, 65 of those, went to, C, and 0 to Trump.

If those two states, Adopted, the, ’split’.
The vote would have been, 40 C, and 25 T.
(or 38-27)
Which, today, truly, represents the people living, working, and Paying Taxes. In This Nation.

And here is the good part.

Each State, CAN Decide.
And the Fed Gov has NOTHING, to say about, ‘what’ they do.
And it would be SO Much Easier. On the State Change, than the Fed Change.

And it would, Reflect, the, ‘PEOPLE’.

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by WebsterMark on 12/06/16 at 06:34:59

Okay so let's pretend all 50 states did that this last go around. What would have changed if Congressional districts were awarded electors?

Trump is outside the political paradigm so I don't think it would have changed anything for him. He would have had events in downtown LA but wouldn't have changed his message.

Hilary on the other hand, might have tried to appease flyover country by easing her 2nd Amendment attacks and maybe even mentioning how silly it is a high school can't give a 15 year old girl aspirin without parents permission but they can help facilitate an abortion. She might have even came up with something to address illegal immigration other than the usual stuff Dems talk about which everyone knows they don't mean.

So, would it have changed the outcome? As you say, Trump would have actually won delegates in California, but he would have lost delegates from Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, my state of Missouri etc...

Someone has probably already calculated electors by Congressional districts, but has anyone seen it?

Also, if that were the law of the land, what would the unintended consequences be? How would the parties try to scam the system?

Title: Re: butt kicking
Post by MnSpring on 12/06/16 at 12:09:37

576562737465724D61726B000 wrote:

What would have changed if Congressional districts were awarded electors? So, would it have changed the outcome? As you say, Trump would have actually won delegates in California, but he would have lost delegates from Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, my state of Missouri etc...

Yes, Changing, State Rights, to a Electoral Collage system like Maine & NE, Would have changed, the EC Votes, in this election.
Which would have gained and lost some in certain States, for each party.
However, Trump, overall, would have gotten MORE, EC Votes.

Someone has probably already calculated electors by Congressional districts, but has anyone seen it?

Have Not see any. Don't know of any. But wow, would that be, Eye Opening !
(And it would be very interesting to see, how that would have applied to past POTUS elections)

Also, if that were the law of the land, what would the unintended consequences be? How would the parties try to scam the system?

It would remove the, ’Safe’, ’Swing’, ‘Fly Over’, State Status.
And it would give voice, to the People who Live in 5 Districts in MN.
Not to just 3. (And MOST, Other States as well!)
And, I believe, it would Greatly Alleviate, the Massive, ‘Voter Fraud’, issue.

I am just going to use Minn.
Minn has voted Dem for the 19 times out of 22. starting in 1932.
(52 -54 Ike, and 72 Nixon)
Because I am familiar, with how well they, ‘HIDE’, information on their State web site.
And know where the 8, Congressional Districts are.
(Someone else, will have to do Calf, and their 53 Districts,
but just guessing it would have been, 35-20 (+/-)

This year, the EC Vote in MN, would have been, 5-5, NOT 10-0.
The 3 districts, which Voted for, C,
were, Mpls/St Paul, (Twin Cities), Rochester, Duluth.
All, very Densely packed Metro Areas.

Without going into sheets and sheets of numbers.
The overview:
State Total: 1,367,717 C / 1,322,951 T (C by 44,765)
(8 Other Candidate votes were, 254,152)

In just 3, (METRO Districts) Clinton won.
In the 5, Out State Districts Trump won.
( But NONE, of those 5 Districts Votes Counted !)

What a, ’split’ would do.
I believe, it would Greatly Alleviate, the Massive, ‘Voter Fraud’, issue.
(Which is HOW, Franken won)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/?utm_term=.56ef0ab7a647
...Al Franken ’s 312-vote win in the 2008 Minnesota U.S. Senate race as one likely tipped by non-citizen voting. As a senator, Franken cast the 60th vote needed to make Obamacare law. ...