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Title: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/17/16 at 21:27:17 MM wants to take longer and longer trips, and having done so he is putting a bigger tank on his Savage. And I agree, 2.5 gallons total capacity has always been an issue when floggin' it on down the big miles at high speed (especially when pushing a big gas killing windscreen) so irracible 'ol Yoda and I are working on an adder tank for the Savage. A small one, inexpensive low rent style. Gravity fed, since that is how the Savage works. This is all happening as we speak, slowly, as the cheap China Post bits and pieces trickle in. Think'n and Drink'n has begun all over again, slurping coffee and cogitating on this new Barcalounger bike. It too has a sub 3 gallon gas tank. It also has "pretty" requirements that the old Savage does not have, so I've got to be clever on this one, not crude. Results must add beauty, not take it away. It also has a 3-6 psi fuel pump ..... ;D http://suzukisavage.com/yabb2.2/Attachments/IMG_20161114_125848.jpg |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/18/16 at 12:39:41 Bags are here, and Jafum was VERY VERY optimistic in their measurements --- original concept will not work out, but new dual containers are on order, balanced with one container per side, giving much better balance, having the same gas capacity and giving roughly the same space for carrying other stuff. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by 12Bravo on 11/18/16 at 13:24:14 It's definitely way easier to mod a different tank to fit the Savage than it is to make one fit the Intruder 700/750/800. I looked into it when I had a VS750 and since the tank mounts with a U shaped mount on top of the frame, there is no easy way to mount a different tank on it. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/18/16 at 16:26:19 Because of the Jedi training I have gotten, I simply looked to the Force to show me the relationship between hidden gas jugs, fuel pumps, and really big saddlebags. I carry a lot of junk in the small saddle bags that are on my Savage right now, and my junk includes a gallon jug of gas for when it is just too too far to the next gas station. This IS something that occurs regularly up on the Blue Ridge Parkway and we did get bit once on an aborted trip to the top of Mount Pisgah as I can get some really rotten gas mileage on my Savage due to several very good reasons, with my overactive right wrist being just one of them. Run this thought along for size, expand the size of the gas jug from one to 2.5 gallons, then putting in a 2.5 gallon jug into each of the very large right and left saddlebags. (actually leaving more empty room still left in each bag than my current saddle bags even have in total) .... and also tossing in some jug based fuel filters, manual shut offs and a hand pump bulb that is used for evacuating the trapped air from the ups and the downs of the gas lines that are integral in this sort of low mounted system --- air evacuating that will have to be done at each full fill up, BTW --- then you have a fuel pump suction drawn fuel system by which I can draw on 5 gallons of gas hidden in the saddle bags using the 3-6 psi fuel pump that comes stock with the Intruder and only using the 2.5 gallons in the gravity fed gas tank as my primary reserve (and a secondary 20 mile reserve should I actually run it all down that low). 7.5 gallons of long running trip gas .... and that is with still having the 20 mile reserve built into the normal gas tank. 300-350 miles on the full rig up, which not too shabby for $60 invested in jugs and fuel line and misc hardware. ..... at a materials cost of less than a third of what MM is paying for his new, unpainted, "will need a lot of modifications" steel gas tank all by itself. Plus, if I want to be all nimble when I get there and I decide I don't want to be swinging around the roughly 50 extra pounds of "totally filled up" gasoline, well then I can just fill up the top regular tank and shut off the empty bag jugs after I suck them dry (or I can take out the jugs and use the funnel by hand if that is what is needed) And, if you are with me and you run dry on a long stretch I can take out the funnel and one of my gas jugs and pour some gas into your tank so we can all make it on down the road to the next gas station ..... ;) |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by MMRanch on 11/19/16 at 22:30:17 Yea ... :-? There are some places in Louisiana where its 60-70 miles between fuel stations ... so if ya have 100 mile range ya have to stop at every one of them :-[ :-[ : :-[ thats a lot of stop-en ! so what's a feller to do ? |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/20/16 at 06:24:31 Amusing thought, since I have a fuel pump I could rig up a little 1/4" rubber filling hose and pump the gas over into your tank -- but that would just take forever. Big jug, funnel .... quick and messy. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Rodger on 11/20/16 at 07:52:03 @MMRanch... Could be worse...say, I-80 in Wyoming west of Rawlins. There's whole lotsa Nuthin' out there. Years ago, when traveling on my CM450, had a bad moment in Nevada...hit reserve earlier than expected, & it was about 30 miles to a town either way. Slowed waaayyyy down, nursing it along, and she started sputtering within sight of a gas station. Did some low speed swerves back & forth to slosh down whatever gas was left. Had to push the last 50 feet or so. Ever since, I've erred on the side of caution...lol. P.S. @ Oldfeller...off topic, but was curious about how the high mileage rebuild is going...? |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by MMRanch on 11/20/16 at 14:45:14 Tank bag with a fuel blatter ? I'm carrying extra in both saddle-bags now (balanced). I'll give the 4.75 gal. tank a go after Christmas. (w/pictures) Dreaming ::) 300 mile range . :-? |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/20/16 at 17:17:18 I have fuel storage for the backhoe. A fuel pump for a fuel injection system and some wiring and hose,, I've used it on gasoline, too.. A small enough diameter to fit into the fuel jug won't be easy, but, doesn't HAFTA be expensive. A pump that has to be replaced because it's not strong enough to maintain injection pressure will still transfer the fuel. That's how I got the ones I have. Mechanics replace them every day... |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Dave on 11/21/16 at 02:43:03 I would most likely just install a sold state fuel pump to transfer the fuel from the saddlebags to the main tank. You would plumb the left/right saddlebag tanks together, then run the line to the fuel pump, and then T the fuel line just below the tank/petcock. The solid state fuel pump has a check valve inside, so no fuel should flow from the higher tank to the saddlebag tanks. When your main tank is running low - you would just switch on the new fuel pump and transfer fuel to the main tank. The amount of current required is very low for the sold state fuel pump, and the only thing you need to remember is to shut it off when you have moved enough fuel.....there would not be any auto shut off. Here is the "standard" for the sold state pumps....you might be able to find a copy that is less expensive. https://www.amazon.com/FACET-SOLID-CARBURETED-ENGINES-GG42034103/dp/B013SG7M9E |
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Title: ~ Post by Oldfeller on 11/21/16 at 07:00:53 https://www.amazon.com/MOSTPLUS-Electric-Motorcycle-Pressure-Carburetor/dp/B01LAQ8KZE/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1479740320&sr=8-9&keywords=motorcycle+fuel+pump I hope not to need that second fuel pump, that the actual lift required is minimal (although there will be potential for air entrapment in the ups and downs. This generic pump for $13 is very similar to what is on the bike now, so it gets you the general idea. 3-6 PSI at ~20~ gallons an hour at zero lift (lesser flow and lesser pressure at higher lifts of course). My theoretical thought is that if I purge the suction air and get solid fuel into the lines so that the suction based system can work at maximum, then I am golden as far as getting it to the carburetors. I also have a somewhat verified thought that the fuel pump on the bike now can suck on and pass some air through the system, as I have seen it work in that fashion (no gas in tank, previous owner and all). Intentionally permitted gravity based back flow from the bike's gas tank to the bag jugs could also be used to purge the air from the lines ..... so I got several means to do the job so I mebbe I won't put in the pump bulb until I find that I really need it. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/21/16 at 07:27:03 Here's the jug ..... http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/images/products/containers/sku/400/78234psku.jpg |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/21/16 at 07:35:35 The cat is a full sized female, so you get the idea -- Big Bags. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/23/16 at 08:50:55 OK, so this is how you add a 1/8" thickener plywood backing to the bag, so you can hard mount it to the frame. The clamping method is sorta a "bullet caster" methodology ..... but it holds it together firmly with no relaxing for the full 24 hour curing period. The construction adhesive stuff is the premium, 3x stronger variety -- the good stuff. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/23/16 at 08:51:48 Once the lead comes out ...... |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by MMRanch on 11/23/16 at 22:26:53 You still going to use the "Strap-under-the-seat" and wheel guard thingiees ? :-? That board should help them hold their shape a lot better ! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/23/16 at 22:49:44 No check valve.. But, Voltage: 12 Features: Compatible - with Leaded or Unleaded Gasoline, Diesel Fuel, Blended Fuels, Pure Alcohol & Fuel Additives. Reliable - No Electrical Contacts, Bearings, Rubber Diaphragms or Valves to Wear Out or Fatigue. Easy to Install & Service. Eliminates Vapor Lock - for Constant, Smooth Fuel Delivery on Hot Days & High Altitudes. Pressure Relief - Eliminates Flooding & Assures Satisfactory Restarting on the Hottest Days. Corrosion Resistant - the All Steel Case Is Plated to Provide Over 100 Hours of Salt Spray Resistance. Self-Priming - to 12 Inches of Fuel Lift. Filter Specifications: N/A Fitting Type: 1/8-27 Internally Threaded GPH: 25 Min Dry Lift: 12in / 30.48cm Max Shutoff Pressure: 4 PSI Min Shutoff Pressure: 1.5 PSI Negative Leads: 0.25" Ring Terminal Includes Positive Shutoff Valve?: No Includes Check Valve?: No Includes Quiet Valve?: No Reliable - No Electrical Contacts, Bearings, Rubber Diaphragms or Valves to Wear Out or Fatigue. Well, How Does it move fuel? |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/24/16 at 05:46:55 If you are talking about Dave's example, it is a metal stutter diaphragm sort of thing using piezoelectric effects (tiny, rapid motion). It is also over $75 and violates the Jedi price rules accordingly. This is one thing that is clear about Dave and his digs and his toys, everything is well thought out and NICELY DONE, by golly. His supply of parts that he has collected is amazing because it is ORGANIZED and he knows where everything is. If you are talking mine, it is an impeller pump, normal and simple. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/24/16 at 05:50:26 They are intended to be bolt on bags, no strap included. The extra plywood support was put in to support the load that comes from leaving loaded gas jugs in the bags over long periods of time. I figured the gas weight needed the extra strength when a bump comes along. Bags have a steel frame already (not supremely strong, but steel). The bags are not made of leather, think of car door interior material. ======================================= Barritainer gas jugs came in --- they fit just as good as I planned for them to do. 2.6 gallons a piece, plus the 2.5 gallon main tank = 7.2 gallons plus the standard factory tank's reserve amount, whatever that is. :D |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/25/16 at 15:33:39 MM, lookie what I found, .30 caliber cast bullets, unsized and unchecked. What size do you want them sized at to fit your son's 30 caliber K31 Swiss rifle? The syle is called "Fat 30" and the nose runs from .302" to .304" on a taper so it will definitely find your rifling (and your forcing cone) in your son's K31 rifle. If you load it long (and it sees some significant loading force when the action get slammed shut) you will see it pull the bullet from the case if you try to pull a round out of the chamber, so take care to load it somewhat on the short (loose) side to keep that from happening. Remember, there is .002" to 003" variation in the as-cast nose, so you need to find you a big one to set up your loading depth to the case. The bore would like to see it sized at around .309" (a thou bigger than the groove diameter). |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by MMRanch on 11/25/16 at 20:06:57 That's mighty nice of ya to offer. Those are also some mighty heavy looking bullets too. :o You know there ain't nothing bigger than 150# deer around here to shoot at. I was thinking about some 115 gr. projectiles and 2000 fps neighborhood. Those are some nice looking fuel tanks ya got going on there. Looks like 2 Gals. each ? Be sure to leave the hoses long enough to reach your buddy's tank for those "Middle of nowhere" rides ! ;D |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/26/16 at 06:55:56 They are roughly about the same weight as what he is shooting now. Of course you will download them to cast speeds ~ 1400 - 1600 ~ fps where they will not kick at all, but they still have enough momentum and mass to take a quartering shot OK, penetrating completely and leaving a good blood trail. I have them lubed and I will size them to .308-309 on the lubed bands if you want them. You will have to seat them deep so they will load/unload reliably --- pick a fat nose example to set the depth up with. I will bring them to the next trip, if you want them. Pending word from you I'll leave them at 312" diameter on the bands -- can go into a .303 Brit or a .312" Argentine or .312" Spanish Mauser or a Marlin Microgroove 30-30 at that diameter. Might also work in my 30-06 as Savage rifling is very shallow (not as bad as a Marlin, but skimpy compared to older guns). Dave, shall I save that canopy skeleton or not? I expanded it to find only one member was bent, so it still has a lot of good parts for your old skeleton. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Dave on 11/26/16 at 16:08:13 Oldfeller: Sorry I didn't respond to your PM....I was out of town and had limited internet access, and responding using my phone is tedious (my fingers are too fat to type on those little screens). Unless the skeleton is from an EZUP Vantage - there is no need to keep it for me. The parts aren't interchangeable from one builder to another....or even between different models from EZ UP. I can buy the pieces I need from EZUP....I just haven't got around to ordering them. I also have to patch a couple of tears in the fabric. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/26/16 at 17:33:56 Thanks OF, piezoelectric vibrations, I'd need to autopsy one.. Or get some No Kidding drawings. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/27/16 at 18:22:20 Bowl of bullets |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by verslagen1 on 11/27/16 at 19:26:08 just add milk... yum |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by MMRanch on 11/27/16 at 20:01:26 That bowl of bullets did look appetizing . ;D You must have a size/lube machine. I've been doing mine with liquid alox and they don't look as pertly as that bowl you got . So how much do they weigh ? I've got a 170gr. mold that looks like that. How about size them 308 or 309 and we'll load em mild and accurate . ;) It ain't what ya hit with / but where ya hit ! 8-) |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/28/16 at 05:43:36 Yup, I have an RCBS Lubriciser and am set up for most calibers of the old Milsurp world. And I have a weight, measured after lubing at 192 grains .... and a story to go with it. ;) I was shooting this bullet out of an early model 39-A Marlin Microgroove 30-30 variant that I picked up cheap from a pawnshop as a "how to do a gun renovation" show and tell project. Stock had been spray painted (along with some of the metal) and it was rusted in places. Stripped and refinished the stock, found it was a pretty dark walnut underneath. Bluing responded very well to the oil and steel wool trick, only had a just a few spots where the real bluing was interrupted by rust pitting big enough to be noticeable. Put a scope on it and bought me a six banger mold in the new Fat 30 that suspiciously finished development able to fit a wide range of 30 caliber guns, both old guns and new guns. Found the old gun to be the most accurate cast bullet gun I had at the time, and this was shooting the Fat 30 bullet. Started shooting it at 250 yards to see if the accuracy held up at long distances (some cast gun/bullet combos fall off in accuracy crossing the sound barrier, some fall off very badly and actually start hitting sideways). I also wanted to empirically see how far bullet drop actually was (28" if memory serves) and if could you predict it well enough to use it at long distances (yes). Fat 30 held an 8"- 12" group size at 250 yards -- very good for a cast bullet at that sort of distance. In screwing around at 250 yards I was using a new 4' x 8' sheet of 1/2" plywood as my target, with it leaned up against a 6" diameter hardwood tree. Several slugs went through the target and the tree and happened to stick into a larger tree further along in the woods. Still point on, still penetrating after 6" of hardwood so it would certainly do lethal damage to a meat animal at range that you can very rarely see that far in the NC woods. It is my experience that no cast load kicks for very much, this is because you have to hold the velocity down to keep cast shooting accurately. However, you do need to keep the bullet weight up to have good penetration when it strikes something. I actually crimped that bullet into the cases, with the Lee roll over crimp that all their loading dies will do. The crimp was out on that tapered nose and it was strong enough to bite into the bullet, preventing it from moving around when banged around in a tubular 30-30 magazine. Bagged and tagged and ready to load ..... remember to FIND YOU A REALLY FAT NOSE BULLET and use that one when setting up the seating depth. Then set it up loose, as the gun has a "slam to rotate & load" action with no real camming action to force a too fat nose on into the chamber. Either that, or caliper hand sort out the fat nose bullets -- you don't want any chambering issues when hunting. As a matter of fact, always run the rounds through the chamber before loading the magazine for a hunting trip ..... |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/29/16 at 08:09:46 I picked up on a new twist for the Barcalounger project, and that is that come inspection time it all has to be able to be removed so the bike can pass inspection. Ditto for the extra tank on the Savage ...... able to be completely gone. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/29/16 at 13:56:31 5F7C7476757C7C7562100 wrote:
There are so many who need a full serving of bullet soup. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by MMRanch on 11/29/16 at 21:55:26 There are so many who need a full serving of bullet soup. That bunch is leaving D.C. in Jan. ;D I still need to load-up a good surplus. ;) -------------------------------------------------- So , ya putting extra fuel on both bikes ? :-? |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Oldfeller on 11/30/16 at 14:10:20 110311030E1D121F145C0 wrote:
Yup, disgusting ain't it. T'was your idea, but it might be a good one on them longer hauls. My Barcalounger will carry a total of ~ 7.5 ~ gallons or 300-350 miles worth. My Savage will carry a total of ~ 3.5 ~ gallons, or about 125 miles worth. Trump is getting all ready to kill Obamacare, and THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT PLANNED at the moment for an instant drop in type replacement. Now I have to wait some more to retire to see what sort of insurance I will be able to get once I retire. If they kill the required "YOU HAVE TO HAVE INSURANCE" I'd be willing to risk it, but my spouse would not -- she can see losing everything to a single medical incident or motorcycle wreck. Technically, if they were to extend Medicare parts A-D into a national any age program then the amount of folks covered would be HUGE and the system might actually be functionable with only an occasional $$$ boost, similar to what it needs now. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/30/16 at 14:23:37 Technically, if they were to extend Medicare parts A-D into a national any age program then the amount of folks covered would be HUGE and the system might actually be functionable with only an occasional $$$ boost, similar to what it needs now. Remember before the HMOs? Insurance was affordable. But, someone announced that the medical care system needed help. So, we got Helped... Anyone who has enough sense to breathe unaided knew Bamicare couldn't work. Problem Reaction Solution Things could Not have worked better if the goal was a Single Payer system. Basically, Medicare for everyone. Now, review Cloward and Piven. One day, Observed Reality is going to align with the obvious for everyone.. That's when What people see stops being dependent on what they Want to believe. Once you see behind the Curtain, there's no going back. Take the Red pill.. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by MMRanch on 11/30/16 at 20:56:09 Guys I can't help but think the "Root of the problem" is there are too many people who have no job in health care taking money from Health Care. Also , some of the people who do have jobs in Health Care are more than a little over paid. But I never hear the politicians addressing the "Root of the problem" It seems like the military has it worked out good . You don't go to a Dr. at first . You go through a screening process. 1st is the medic 2nd is the Nurse 3rd is the general practitioner 4th is the specialist So , it seems like the Dr.'s lobby has things fixed so you have to go through a Dr. (and give them their cut) before you can get any kinda medication. If they didn't over-charge so much we wouldn't even need insurance (insurance another money pit). Un-regulate medical care and watch the price drop. Let the market take care of its' self. If somebody wants to abuse some drugs then it shouldn't be the governments job to stop them . In short I'd like to see the Government put back in its little box and the free market take over , with unregulated prescriptions , etc. I feel so much better now ! ;D |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by Steve H on 12/02/16 at 08:18:31 I agree with MM on that one. Many in the field are way overpaid. The people who do most of the work, CNA's, Practical nurses and such barely make enough to live on. Deregulate the whole mess. Make medical insurance illegal. Watch prices drop and people start making a reasonable amount of money for what they do. People will suddenly be able to afford medical care again. Mandatory prescriptions are and always have been unconstitutional. Nowhere does our constitution give the government the right to regulate anything we might consume. In fact, it is expressly forbidden to the feds. The whole thing went screwy in the late 60's and 70's when pretty much every company offered medical insurance as a perk. Just about everybody was insured so the medical industry decided Hey we can up the rates, the insurance companies will pay it and it's just gone on from there. I don't know where they thought the insurance companies were going to keep getting the money to pay their outrageous rates. Example...a friend of mine's husband needed surgery. He was quoted a little over 40k by the local hospitals. He got the same surgery done at a highly rated in-patient surgery clinic in town for a little over 3k. They don't do insurance. |
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Title: Re: Think'n and Drink'n again ..... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 12/02/16 at 13:46:42 In response to the two posts above.. WOW!! If only the majority would figure that out.. |
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