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Message started by LostArtist on 11/10/16 at 18:14:32

Title: Corruption KGB style
Post by LostArtist on 11/10/16 at 18:14:32

Russia admits it, they were and probably still ARE in contact with Trump's campaign, This is as close as you can get to treason without actually committing it....  but I'm supposed to be nice and give Trump the benefit of the doubt...    


Russia says it was in touch with Trump's campaign during election

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-russia-trump-idUSKBN1351RJ

one more thing Trump lied about

it's vague enough, but it's on the list

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by MnSpring on 11/10/16 at 18:51:00


0724383F0A393F22383F4B0 wrote:
" ... it's vague enough, but it's on the list


Can you not  work,   Forward ?
Instead of,  Backward?


Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by thumperclone on 11/11/16 at 00:06:10

im looking forward to the first hundred days..

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/16 at 06:11:22


514D504855405746494A4B40250 wrote:
im looking forward to the first hundred days..



He's not even in office and Canada is already willing to renegotiate NAFTA..
I'm anxious to see how many Executive Orders he counters in the first 100 days. Hopefully he has a team of Constitutionally driven people working backwards through the E.O.s, filtering through, and the Unconstitutional, the illegal and Not Beneficial to the lives and freedoms of the People will be countermanded.

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by LostArtist on 11/11/16 at 06:34:24


40635E7D7F64636A0D0 wrote:
[quote author=0724383F0A393F22383F4B0 link=1478830472/0#0 date=1478830472]" ... it's vague enough, but it's on the list


Can you not  work,   Forward ?
Instead of,  Backward?

[/quote]


didn't you want to take your country BACK again???  


Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by MnSpring on 11/11/16 at 08:56:08


746B6D6A7770417141796B672C1E0 wrote:
"He's not even in office and Canada is already willing to renegotiate NAFTA. ...".


That would be like, the day, Reagan was sworn in.
The  Hostage  Takers,
(Who Carter, had been,  'talking' to.)

SUDDENLY, had a  change of Heart ?





Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by oldNslow on 11/11/16 at 09:03:28


Quote:
Russia says it was in touch with Trump's campaign during election


Well sh*t! I guess that settles it. Trump is obviously a commie mole. He's gonna turn the whole country over to the Russkis on January 21st of next year. Zazdarovje !!

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by MnSpring on 11/11/16 at 09:13:47


2E322F372A3F28393635343F5A0 wrote:
im looking forward to the first hundred days..


And I am as Well !

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by Paraquat on 11/11/16 at 09:32:40

I still don't understand this.

Wouldn't you WANT world leaders talking to each other? Establishing a dialogue?


--Steve

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by LostArtist on 11/11/16 at 11:07:03


4574677464607461150 wrote:
I still don't understand this.

Wouldn't you WANT world leaders talking to each other? Establishing a dialogue?


--Steve



during an election? it's a bit odd, I mean, now, how much does Trump owe to Russia? Russia leaked the emails to Wikileaks, which arguably had a chilling effect against Clinton. So does Putin now get to use that as leverage against Trump?  

So next time, can the democratic candidate go smooze European leaders to campaign for them here? Maybe they can get Japan to hack the RNC...  

that's another thing, last I checked, hacking into someone's computer is ILLEGAL, so now you have Trump encouraging Putin to help him out via ILLEGAL behavior.  

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/16 at 11:07:45

This is as close as you can get to treason without actually committing it...

While knowing exactly Nothing about what was said.
Trump, not yet with access to information that would be of interest to an enemy, not yet in a position Do anything that would Hurt America or Benefit Russia, is somehow to be criticized, naaay, scorned, a Borderline Treasonous act,,  

But Saint Hillary, putting sensitive information where any sophisticated computer hacker could get it?
No Crime.

I wouldn't play tiddly winks with a lefty. Zero honor. Zero objectivity. Lie , cheat,steal,whatever it takes to
Pretend they won.
And Cry like babies when they get Told , NO, your ways aren't what We the People are willing to accept Any More.

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by LostArtist on 11/11/16 at 11:09:44


7B4544485A4647290 wrote:

Quote:
Russia says it was in touch with Trump's campaign during election


Well sh*t! I guess that settles it. Trump is obviously a commie mole. He's gonna turn the whole country over to the Russkis on January 21st of next year. Zazdarovje !!


well, we are going to be a lot more friendly to them than before, despite there anti-American ways, I wonder which country we'll let them invade and take next? maybe the rest of Ukraine?

Do we now have to betray our NATO allies?

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by LostArtist on 11/11/16 at 11:15:37


6F7076716C6B5A6A5A62707C37050 wrote:
This is as close as you can get to treason without actually committing it...

While knowing exactly Nothing about what was said.
Trump, not yet with access to information that would be of interest to an enemy, not yet in a position Do anything that would Hurt America or Benefit Russia, is somehow to be criticized, naaay, scorned, a Borderline Treasonous act,,  


Well, he is now compromised, HE OWES PUTIN something now. Putin did him a favor, when Putin asks Trump to return that favor...  what happens?


But Saint Hillary, putting sensitive information where any sophisticated computer hacker could get it?
No Crime.

I'm no saying that Trump himself committed a crime, but he did encourage Russia to illegally hack Clinton. and they did, so now he owes them

I wouldn't play tiddly winks with a lefty. Zero honor. Zero objectivity. Lie , cheat,steal,whatever it takes to
Pretend they won.
And Cry like babies when they get Told , NO, your ways aren't what We the People are willing to accept Any More.



you keep your tiddly winks to yourself, jeesh, and I thought Trump had a problem....

no, the democrats lost, and they deserved to, Trump really did just flat out out work Clinton, at the very least. But Clinton did still win the majority of the popular vote, and Johnson and Stein got votes too, so, NO Trump doesn't have the support of the majority of Americans.

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by oldNslow on 11/11/16 at 12:09:56


Quote:
well, we are going to be a lot more friendly to them than before, despite there anti-American ways, I wonder which country we'll let them invade and take next? maybe the rest of Ukraine?

Do we now have to betray our NATO allies?


Might not be a bad idea to expect  our NATO allies to take a more active role in their own defense and not rely so heavily on the US.

Russia today is not the Soviet Union of the cold war. It may represent a threat to the Eastern European countries on it's border. Or maybe it just would like a  buffer between itself and the western european NATO countries. I don't see that as especially unreasonable. It's debatable how much of an actual threat it is to Western Europe today. It's even more debatable how much of a threat Russia  is to us.


Look, nobody should be surprised that Trump and Putin understand one another. They are both nationalists and neither of them believe in the globalist "one world" claptrap that has infected much of the west. Their  foreign policy decisions will be based on their respective perception of what is in the best interest of their respective countries.When those interests conflict then there will be friction. When they don't, there is no reason for conflict or confrontation.

When grownups, or grownup countries, deal with one another, they understand that it isn't necessary to be pals in order to peacefully coexist.

For all his bellicosity and bluster, I'm quite sure that Trump understands that perfectly well. You think he's never done business with people he didn't necessarily like, as long as the deal benefited both parties.

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/16 at 12:43:57


64475B5C695A5C415B5C280 wrote:
[quote author=6F7076716C6B5A6A5A62707C37050 link=1478830472/0#10 date=1478891265]This is as close as you can get to treason without actually committing it...

While knowing exactly Nothing about what was said.
Trump, not yet with access to information that would be of interest to an enemy, not yet in a position Do anything that would Hurt America or Benefit Russia, is somehow to be criticized, naaay, scorned, a Borderline Treasonous act,,  


Well, he is now compromised, HE OWES PUTIN something now. Putin did him a favor, when Putin asks Trump to return that favor...  what happens?


You can just Declare that he is compromised, because you want it to be true. You don't Know anything about Anything that was said. Unlike the facts about Saint Hillary, who should be in jail.

But Saint Hillary, putting sensitive information where any sophisticated computer hacker could get it?
No Crime.

I'm no saying that Trump himself committed a crime, but he did encourage Russia to illegally hack Clinton. and they did, so now he owes them


Show me any credible source who says Russia hacked the DNC.
You're not able to remember the guy who was gunned down close to home? Yeah, he was in a position to leak those emails.
The odds are that there were some actual Americans inside the pustule that Is the DNC who leaked information.
The FBI didn't blame Russia. Hillary did, and the Echo Chamber went full retard..


I wouldn't play tiddly winks with a lefty. Zero honor. Zero objectivity. Lie , cheat,steal,whatever it takes to
Pretend they won.
And Cry like babies when they get Told , NO, your ways aren't what We the People are willing to accept Any More.



you keep your tiddly winks to yourself, jeesh, and I thought Trump had a problem....

no, the democrats lost, and they deserved to, Trump really did just flat out out work Clinton, at the very least. But Clinton did still win the majority of the popular vote, and Johnson and Stein got votes too, so, NO Trump doesn't have the support of the majority of Americans. [/quote]


The dems lost in spite of all the fraud they could muster.
I don't believe the vote tally. I don't think she was near as close as reported.
60 THOUSAND Felons pardoned, so they could go vote.
Dem governor.
Add in the dead, the illegals, the bussed in multi voters,
and she still couldn't get close.
The polls in the early days were pure fiction. An effort to Mold the Dumbmasses minds. Too many people will Vote for Who they Think is gonna win, so they can Feel like THEY are part of the Winning Team. The media tried to create the perception that she had a great following. Clearly, not true.

Arizona went to Trump.
Bot, whoever you hang out with that somehow managed to get you believing that your thinking is the predominant thinking, well, they are apparently Not exactly an accurate representation of the ideological cross section of the state.
Maybe it's more of a local thing, like Austin..
Austin probably voted Bernie and Hillary more than Trump.

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by LostArtist on 11/11/16 at 12:50:15


17292824362A2B450 wrote:

Quote:
well, we are going to be a lot more friendly to them than before, despite there anti-American ways, I wonder which country we'll let them invade and take next? maybe the rest of Ukraine?

Do we now have to betray our NATO allies?


Might not be a bad idea to expect  our NATO allies to take a more active role in their own defense and not rely so heavily on the US.

Russia today is not the Soviet Union of the cold war. It may represent a threat to the Eastern European countries on it's border. Or maybe it just would like a  buffer between itself and the western european NATO countries. I don't see that as especially unreasonable. It's debatable how much of an actual threat it is to Western Europe today. It's even more debatable how much of a threat Russia  is to us.


Look, nobody should be surprised that Trump and Putin understand one another. They are both nationalists and neither of them believe in the globalist "one world" claptrap that has infected much of the west. Their  foreign policy decisions will be based on their respective perception of what is in the best interest of their respective countries.When those interests conflict then there will be friction. When they don't, there is no reason for conflict or confrontation.

When grownups, or grownup countries, deal with one another, they understand that it isn't necessary to be pals in order to peacefully coexist.

For all his bellicosity and bluster, I'm quite sure that Trump understands that perfectly well. You think he's never done business with people he didn't necessarily like, as long as the deal benefited both parties.





right, he has Russia's help to win the presidency, what if he had China's help, or Saudi Arabia's help, or Iran's help?  

Russia is INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES AND ANNEXING THEM, Georgia under Bush and Crimea under Obama, they are growing the Soviet Union back again, they are being aggressive in the world, and so when they get to Poland, you okay with that? Trump probably is.

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by oldNslow on 11/11/16 at 12:57:51


Quote:
so when they get to Poland, you okay with that?


That will not happen. But, to answer your question , yeah I'm fine with that.  I don't care. You want to join the Polish expeditionary force and save the world, I wish you all the best.

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by LostArtist on 11/11/16 at 13:08:54


76696F6875724373437B69652E1C0 wrote:
[quote author=64475B5C695A5C415B5C280 link=1478830472/0#12 date=1478891737][quote author=6F7076716C6B5A6A5A62707C37050 link=1478830472/0#10 date=1478891265]This is as close as you can get to treason without actually committing it...

While knowing exactly Nothing about what was said.
Trump, not yet with access to information that would be of interest to an enemy, not yet in a position Do anything that would Hurt America or Benefit Russia, is somehow to be criticized, naaay, scorned, a Borderline Treasonous act,,  


Well, he is now compromised, HE OWES PUTIN something now. Putin did him a favor, when Putin asks Trump to return that favor...  what happens?


You can just Declare that he is compromised, because you want it to be true. You don't Know anything about Anything that was said. Unlike the facts about Saint Hillary, who should be in jail.

But Saint Hillary, putting sensitive information where any sophisticated computer hacker could get it?
No Crime.

I'm no saying that Trump himself committed a crime, but he did encourage Russia to illegally hack Clinton. and they did, so now he owes them


Show me any credible source who says Russia hacked the DNC.
You're not able to remember the guy who was gunned down close to home? Yeah, he was in a position to leak those emails.
The odds are that there were some actual Americans inside the pustule that Is the DNC who leaked information.
The FBI didn't blame Russia. Hillary did, and the Echo Chamber went full retard..


I wouldn't play tiddly winks with a lefty. Zero honor. Zero objectivity. Lie , cheat,steal,whatever it takes to
Pretend they won.
And Cry like babies when they get Told , NO, your ways aren't what We the People are willing to accept Any More.



you keep your tiddly winks to yourself, jeesh, and I thought Trump had a problem....

no, the democrats lost, and they deserved to, Trump really did just flat out out work Clinton, at the very least. But Clinton did still win the majority of the popular vote, and Johnson and Stein got votes too, so, NO Trump doesn't have the support of the majority of Americans. [/quote]


The dems lost in spite of all the fraud they could muster.
I don't believe the vote tally. I don't think she was near as close as reported.
60 THOUSAND Felons pardoned, so they could go vote.
Dem governor.
Add in the dead, the illegals, the bussed in multi voters,
and she still couldn't get close.
The polls in the early days were pure fiction. An effort to Mold the Dumbmasses minds. Too many people will Vote for Who they Think is gonna win, so they can Feel like THEY are part of the Winning Team. The media tried to create the perception that she had a great following. Clearly, not true.

Arizona went to Trump.
Bot, whoever you hang out with that somehow managed to get you believing that your thinking is the predominant thinking, well, they are apparently Not exactly an accurate representation of the ideological cross section of the state.
Maybe it's more of a local thing, like Austin..
Austin probably voted Bernie and Hillary more than Trump.[/quote]



of course you don't believe it, of course not, not until one of your shaddowstats websites report it huh?    

oh, and she got VERY CLOSE, 68,000 votes in PA, 27,000 votes in Wisconsin, 11,000 votes in Michigan, That's ALL it would have taken, less than 100,000 votes, for a national election, that's pretty close

and you still haven't proven the dead, the illegals, and the bussed in multivoters claim from any reputable source yet, so that's your pure fiction

and yeah, Travis county, which is Austin's county, voted 306,000 to 127,000 for Hillary

and Bot NEVER claimed that Arizona would vote for Clinton, I don't remember him ever saying that his views are the views of his neighbors, that's YOUR problem, not his

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by LostArtist on 11/11/16 at 13:12:13


625C5D51435F5E300 wrote:

Quote:
so when they get to Poland, you okay with that?


That will not happen. But, to answer your question , yeah I'm fine with that.  I don't care. You want to join the Polish expeditionary force and save the world, I wish you all the best.



glad to know you like empires, funny that you live in AMERICA, you know, we revolted against an Empire to gain our freedom, sad that you think it's okay for someone else to take away other's freedom, according to you, we should have stayed out of WWI and WWII then

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/16 at 13:45:04

You don't get it, do you?
Check out
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.
Look at where WE have military bases.
Look at OUR alleged Defense budget.
Did you happen to notice the list of Sovereign Nations that WE were planning on getting militarily involved in? Check out
General Wesley Clarke list of countries to invade.
TRY to allow the Date that That list was made Public to soak in.
Then, THINK about the Reasons We were given and When the events that occurred that were used to Justify taking the Action that had been
On the drawing board
Since shortly after 9/11.

It's not that you're ignorant, it's just that most of what you know just simply isn't true.

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by oldNslow on 11/11/16 at 15:11:10


Quote:
glad to know you like empires, funny that you live in AMERICA, you know, we revolted against an Empire to gain our freedom, sad that you think it's okay for someone else to take away other's freedom, according to you, we should have stayed out of WWI and WWII then


That assertion is, to be blunt, preposterous. You don't have the faintest idea what I think about empires, freedom, WW1, WW2 or the American Revolution. You and I have never discussed those things. However you presume to know what I think about all  those subjects based on my opinion that:

1. Putin doesn't have the slightest interest in invading Poland.

2. Even if he did, I'm not worried about it.

3 And I'll add. Given the current state of Russia's economy and the state of readiness of their military, I don't believe that Poland needs to be very worried about it either.

Your arrogance, and your proclivity for making unfounded assumptions, is really quite astonishing.

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/11/16 at 15:52:37

It's BY hanging attitudes and beliefs on people that he is able to look down on them. By pretending someone is lacking in being good, reasonable, he can then ignore the FACTS they o ffer.

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by LostArtist on 11/13/16 at 15:59:57


534C4A4D50576656665E4C400B390 wrote:
It's BY hanging attitudes and beliefs on people that he is able to look down on them. By pretending someone is lacking in being good, reasonable, he can then ignore the FACTS they o ffer.



that's what I've learned from you and conservative media  :-*

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by LostArtist on 11/13/16 at 16:20:48


1A2425293B2726480 wrote:

Quote:
glad to know you like empires, funny that you live in AMERICA, you know, we revolted against an Empire to gain our freedom, sad that you think it's okay for someone else to take away other's freedom, according to you, we should have stayed out of WWI and WWII then


That assertion is, to be blunt, preposterous. You don't have the faintest idea what I think about empires, freedom, WW1, WW2 or the American Revolution. You and I have never discussed those things. However you presume to know what I think about all  those subjects based on my opinion that:

1. Putin doesn't have the slightest interest in invading Poland.

2. Even if he did, I'm not worried about it.

3 And I'll add. Given the current state of Russia's economy and the state of readiness of their military, I don't believe that Poland needs to be very worried about it either.

Your arrogance, and your proclivity for making unfounded assumptions, is really quite astonishing.



you said it yourself, you are ok with other people losing their freedom.

and if you are ok with that, then I can only assume that you are okay with anyone else losing their freedom, then I extrapolated that out. was that fair of me, probably not, but I imagine that you've been doing the same thing to all liberals for awhile now. I assume you support Trump, and this America First position, that was a real thing back in WWI and WWII also.  

oh and "Your arrogance, and your proclivity for making unfounded assumptions, is really quite astonishing."  the same to you, you didn't express your reasons for why you weren't worried about Poland, leaving it open for me to assume, nice trap, what goes around comes around





Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by LostArtist on 11/13/16 at 16:29:58


3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
You don't get it, do you?
Check out
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.
Look at where WE have military bases.
Look at OUR alleged Defense budget.
Did you happen to notice the list of Sovereign Nations that WE were planning on getting militarily involved in? Check out
General Wesley Clarke list of countries to invade.
TRY to allow the Date that That list was made Public to soak in.
Then, THINK about the Reasons We were given and When the events that occurred that were used to Justify taking the Action that had been
On the drawing board
Since shortly after 9/11.

It's not that you're ignorant, it's just that most of what you know just simply isn't true.



You're not Ronald Reagan.

neither is Trump, Trump isn't going to change anything militarily, he'll increase it just like EVERY, even Obama, president has, Trump want to rule the world through our strength, through fear, and maybe that's necessary, but that does sadden me, I'd rather us lead via example and respect, and maybe that's the dreamer in me

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by MnSpring on 11/13/16 at 16:52:27


52716D6A5F6C6A776D6A1E0 wrote:
" ...  even Obama, president has,

Increasing  the US   Military

" even Obama, has "

 Ah,   NO,  he  Has  Not  !




Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by LostArtist on 11/14/16 at 13:02:22


44675A797B60676E090 wrote:
[quote author=52716D6A5F6C6A776D6A1E0 link=1478830472/15#24 date=1479083398]" ...  even Obama, president has,

Increasing  the US   Military

" even Obama, has "

 Ah,   NO,  he  Has  Not  !



[/quote]

you know, what, you're right, I was wrong, not sure why, I always had this impression that the military industrial complex always grew year after year and Obama might have slowed down the growth but didn't really stop it, I still kinda think that since getting out of 2 wars will reduce the number of soldiers needed.

Title: Re: Corruption KGB style
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 11/14/16 at 19:09:34


15362A2D182B2D302A2D590 wrote:
[quote author=3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 link=1478830472/15#19 date=1478900704]You don't get it, do you?
Check out
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.
Look at where WE have military bases.
Look at OUR alleged Defense budget.
Did you happen to notice the list of Sovereign Nations that WE were planning on getting militarily involved in? Check out
General Wesley Clarke list of countries to invade.
TRY to allow the Date that That list was made Public to soak in.
Then, THINK about the Reasons We were given and When the events that occurred that were used to Justify taking the Action that had been
On the drawing board
Since shortly after 9/11.

It's not that you're ignorant, it's just that most of what you know just simply isn't true.



You're not Ronald Reagan.

neither is Trump, Trump isn't going to change anything militarily, he'll increase it just like EVERY, even Obama, president has, Trump want to rule the world through our strength, through fear, and maybe that's necessary, but that does sadden me, I'd rather us lead via example and respect, and maybe that's the dreamer in me[/quote]


Again, you addressed Nothing.
You WON'T.
But, regardless of the facts, your understanding of the world is based in reason..
Unbelievable.

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