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Message started by raydawg on 10/16/16 at 07:04:55

Title: Is this a threat, ultimatum, or?
Post by raydawg on 10/16/16 at 07:04:55

So, if the deplorable exercise this, they are bad, angry, divisive......

Yet, Obama, talking about training new activist, after he leaves the White House:

“Awareness is important at the outset,” Obama said. But leaders from the civil rights era, including Martin Luther King Jr. and Rep. John Lewis, “would begin with the protest but then very rapidly engage in the powers that be to say, ‘We will stop protesting when you use this specific thing.’”

Golly, one is acceptable , but if others exercise that same action, they are what?

I'm sorry, I don't get it, please explain why?

Here is the story http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/obama-activists-post-white-house-229654

Title: Re: Is this a threat, ultimatum, or?
Post by Trippah on 10/16/16 at 07:32:41

I think that they, MLK and O, that protesting without a solution (on hand to offer) to the problem being protested is not conducive to anything good. Sorta like Trump et al who really think the 50's were great - and they were for wealthy white MEN, but for the rest of the people, not really. Of course, their separate but equal school system was _Philips Exeter/Andover, for the wealthy, public schools for the rest (reform school for those Ghetto folks). Golly gee, can we really turn back time?
Except of course real history would note that for much of the South and West, the despised Spanish/Latino/brownbacks were there before the anglos. ANd that weaker sex, my god, women shouldn't vote or make decisions..that's for real men. Just get the meals ready, and prepare for the groping. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Is this a threat, ultimatum, or?
Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/16/16 at 07:43:16

No amount of reason and fact will be considered,, so, rave on.
Believe that is what everyone is,but the sainted democrats.

And what
Solution
is to be applied to Solve irrationality and create peace?
I guess I'm alone, again,,,
Or has anyone else heard rumblings of dissatisfaction with integrated schools? The blacks seem to have had enough of whitey, and are ready to be together, alone.

Title: Re: Is this a threat, ultimatum, or?
Post by raydawg on 10/16/16 at 08:25:01

73554E5757464F270 wrote:

Thanks for your reply, I appreciate it.
However, I think you missed my question.

I understand the problems, etc, that you listed, but that was not what I asked.
What I was trying to grasp, regardless of the "cause" or "issue", was why is it OK, for one to promote activism as a means to get satisfaction, with "their" grievances, irregardless of what that grievance is, but not extend that same consideration of tolerance toward those who we differ/oppose, their views and beliefs?

Does that make more sense?

Title: Re: Is this a threat, ultimatum, or?
Post by thumperclone on 10/16/16 at 09:17:22

you are correct ray
mine is the only way
everyone else is blind(sound like someone we know?)
I think its just human nature like the 18 year old that knows everything
once self awareness starts

Title: Re: Is this a threat, ultimatum, or?
Post by raydawg on 10/16/16 at 11:20:52

2539243C213423323D3E3F34510 wrote:

you are correct ray
mine is the only way
everyone else is blind(sound like someone we know?)
I think its just human nature like the 18 year old that knows everything
once self awareness starts

YES.......ME :-[

I get the humane nature thing, how else are we to navigate life, if we don't believe we have to put one foot, in front of the other, and strike out for the great unknown....

Misstep are inevitable, wrong paths, chosen.
But, if we can muster the fortitude to admit honestly, then we are all the wiser, and we have eliminated one false path.
What use to be a belief, has know become knowledge.

Kind of veering away from my original question as to why action is accepted, the other, depending on who it is, frowned upon.....

But this is why I believe the PC doctrine, leaves too many people on the wrong pathway.

Don't restrict me from showing my ignorance, let me exhibit it, so in the light of day, I might see I am on the wrong trail.

Teaching, be it a parent, or a person in charge of lessons, experiences way more success if you allow the child, or student, to discover the truth on their own.
It solidifies to a point that knowledge, can freely rest upon it, allowing growth, into wisdom.

And the best teacher of all, is by example, yes?

So why stymie speech, saddle it with doctrine, force it away, can't truth stand on its own?

PS: I am talking speech, not actions, that deny anyone their constitutional rights, or equal access to the pursuit of ( their) happiness.

Title: Re: Is this a threat, ultimatum, or?
Post by thumperclone on 10/16/16 at 12:38:42

freedom of speech only if its not in bad taste
"sh*t happens" bumper sticker outlawed in florida because its in "bad taste"
the language filters on this site are another example

true freedom of speech doesnt exist in public

Title: Re: Is this a threat, ultimatum, or?
Post by raydawg on 10/16/16 at 12:51:11

6A766B736E7B6C7D7271707B1E0 wrote:

Yes, if only people really believed the truth will set you/us, free....

Title: Re: Is this a threat, ultimatum, or?
Post by thumperclone on 10/16/16 at 12:54:46

ones perception is ones truth

Title: Re: Is this a threat, ultimatum, or?
Post by raydawg on 10/16/16 at 15:03:25

223E233B263324353A393833560 wrote:

ones perception is ones truth

Yes, perceived truth, however, there are absolutes, absolutely, death, taxes, Spicy Refried Beans.......gas, nekked women, boners ;D

Title: Re: Is this a threat, ultimatum, or?
Post by MnSpring on 10/16/16 at 16:04:35

Obama Said: “create a platform where young activists … can get trained and learn from each other.”
(As aforementioned link)

OK, So Bama, wants to, ’train’ people to:
’They like something, so how to MAKE, everyone Else Do It’
Or, Train them to: ‘I don’t like that, so you can’t do it either’.

Now If I, 'stared’ training’ people,
To say, ‘I like that, I will do it, you don’t Have to’
or, ‘I don’t like that, but if you do, than do it’.
(Outside of a harmful situation)

I Believe, the Media, Obama, his supporters, Ultra-Liberals,
would ALL Say.

“Obama is wonderful, you are a P O S*$#”

Yes, I believe it is a THREAT.

The SAME, as the Extortion he Stated.
When HE, decided Schools allow, boys into girls bathrooms,
and said, “If you Don’t Do this, You will get NO Federal Funding”
(Which many States said, in effect, (Applaud Them), ’Try It’)

Knia like a Cake Maker.
Who said, we will not make a cake for a person/s, because of our Religious Beliefs.
(Then ALL Heck comes down on them)
Would it Not be the SAME, to say,
A Ethnic food Store, HAS, to sell Pork, when their religious belief is otherwise?

Tell me, exactly, what is the difference ????

A Business can do What It Wants To.
(Outside of harm)
It is, THEIR Business !
It is, NOT, the Ultra-Liberals, Business !

Title: Re: Is this a threat, ultimatum, or?
Post by Trippah on 10/16/16 at 20:08:55

All sides of any issue should receive a civil forum for expressing their views (unless it includes killing others). The crap that passes for debates is excrement, pure and simple. Both parties try to speak over and during the opposition's attempt to speak, and neither will discusss the real issues. I had a Professor (David Brudnoy) at Northeastern who later became a broadcaster. He was educated at Yale, was unfortunately for him gay which lead to his conracting HIV, then AIDS from which he perished. If you can find any of his broadcasts (he was a very right wing, small government) kid of guy. Similar in demeanor to Senator Buckley (NY). He lived and spoke of many issues and even when discussing someone's view he felt was insane, he was always civil.
It is a shame my Republican Party has chosen bullying over reason. Oh well. ;)