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Title: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by raydawg on 10/05/16 at 17:16:37 What is the difference between Iran Contra, and this : http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/05/arms-dealer-who-threatened-to-reveal-clintons-libya-dealings-rips-doj-for-injustice.html Honestly, what am I missing? |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by LostArtist on 10/05/16 at 19:20:49 3D2E362B2E38284F0 wrote:
well, this time you actually have a source, so that's a step in the right direction. and for one, you are missing that Oliver North wasn't Secretary of State or in the State dept at all. and that Iran contra was selling weapons to Iran to release hostages and fund "Contras" in Nicaragua, more or less money laundering. there are a lot of similarities though, dealing arms |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/16 at 06:14:54 NOW PLAYING DOJ drops charges against alleged broker of Libyan weapons An arms dealer who had threatened to reveal potentially damaging information about Hillary Clinton's alleged role in arming Islamist militants until federal prosecutors abruptly dropped their case against him Tuesday, told Fox News the case has cost him everything. ADVERTISEMENT Federal prosecutors faced a Wednesday deadline to turn over discovery documents to the legal team of American Marc Turi, who had been charged with selling weapons to Libyan rebels. Late Tuesday, an announcement came that the government was dropping the case, which was set to go to trial on Nov. 8 – the day American voters choose between Clinton and GOP nominee Donald Trump. The move may avert a release of potentially explosive documents. “I am glad this horrific five-year ordeal is over and I am pleased to be able to move on with my life," Turi told Fox News in a statement. "The American public has the right to know that an injustice was committed against an innocent American." Turi said his legal team advised him to accept the deal and avoid a trial, but insisted that his actions were in furtherance of his ongoing support of U.S. foreign policy. He said defending himself in a case that has now been dropped has cost him everything. Related Image brownturiExpand / Contract Turi, shown here with Fox News' Pamela Browne during an exclusive interview. (Fox News) "The government took away my life, my savings, and my company that I worked so hard to build to serve our nation, and for what?" he said. "I still don’t really know who the unjust actors were who launched this attack against me from the shadows. I just hope that someday there will be someone that will be held accountable." Last year, in his only extended television interview, Turi provided Fox News with documents and email exchanges he had with high-level members of Congress as well as military, and State Department employees to back up his claim that the Obama administration authorized in 2011, at the height of the Arab Spring, a covert weapons program that spun out of control. "That's where I came up with this 'zero footprint' Arab supply chain, whereby, our foreign ally supplies another, Arab country," Turi said. In this case, the US would supply conventional weapons to a U.S. ally-Qatar, who would inturn supply them to Libya, as a kind of workaround. "If you want to limit the exposure to the US government, what you simply do is outsource it to your allies," Turi said, describing the practice. "The partners-the Qataris, and the Emiratis did exactly what they were contracted to do." Turi told Fox he never supplied any weapons to Qatar, and it was in the hands of the U.S. government and the State Department's Bureau of Political and Military Affairs which was headed by a key Clinton aide, Andrew Shapiro. Shapiro was responsible to oversee the export control process at the State Department. “They don’t want this stuff to come out because it will look really bad for Obama and Clinton just before the election,” an associate of Turi told Politico, claiming that information sought by Turi’s team would show Clinton’s own role in arming Libyan rebels fighting former strongman Col. Muammar Qaddafi while she was secretary of state. Can You spot the subtle brainwashing move? And what about the story? Isn't that just obvious? The world doesn't operate anything like what would be the average persons opinions about how it works. There really is evil. There really are powers. And Strongman Moamarr Gaddafi was one of the good guys. |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/16 at 07:16:56 Ray, this may be the biggest Find I've seen. How did you stumble across it? "It was then, and remains now, my opinion that the United States did participate, directly or indirectly, in the supply of weapons to the Libyan Transitional National Council," career CIA officer David Manners said in a sworn declaration dated May 5, 2015. The timing was critical, be Folks, don't read it. Especially don't read it if you believe we aren't directly involved in creating the problems that have created the refugee problem. In fact, just DON'T READ IT. |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by raydawg on 10/06/16 at 10:07:04 Why do you think Bush wants Hillary? Answer that and therein lies the answer.... |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by Paraquat on 10/06/16 at 11:05:03 War is good for business. --Steve |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/16 at 12:02:38 Not Just for status quo, but just imagine the possibilities... Some stuff has no statute of limitations. |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by raydawg on 10/06/16 at 17:24:30 Here is where we part company Jog.... Yes, its a conspiracy, but not one born of evil. It is similar to the revelation, it takes another lie, to cover the first lie.... I believe many in our government thought they could win the war of evil, by some maneuvering, discreetly, the truth, and motivation, of the battle. A "end justifies the means", scenario. I think they thought if they could empower themselves as a phantom dictator(s) regime, they could have better control of the outcome, of which, they believe they know whats best, for everyone. Their intention to serve the poor, the sick, the underclass, etc, not only of this nation, but in other countries as well, they thought noble. I guess the Crusaders, thought of themselves noble, as well.... Now go back to where it takes a lie to cover a lie.... In a den of thieves, everyone is watching their own booty, for they KNOW, firsthand, those they share the den with, are thieves. And this is where the paranoia, bubbles to the surface... Which one will save his own skin (booty) by turning in the others....??? Will Bush turn in Clinton? Will Clinton turn in Reid? Will Pelosi turn in Bohner? Will they all turn in the banks,etc? Will the financial industry, turn in the media? Oh, they had such grand plans. Utopia. Others spoiled it. Its not their fault. Gee, I guess ISIS must feel the same way, eh? Some just lack the willingness, or strength, to admit that they look upon the truth of the candidates, and quickly look away, like Jack declared in A FEW GOOD MEN..... They can't handle the truth. That number is extremely large, I am afraid to say. |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/16 at 18:28:26 I think you're giving them Way too much credit as decent people. They NEVER managed to repeal any lousy legislation,EVER. BUT, I'm supposed to believe that they are ideologically opposed, yeah,, I'm sure. |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by HovisPresley on 10/06/16 at 18:35:13 "I guess the Crusaders, thought of themselves noble, as well.... " I'm sure it crossed their minds that gaining land, riches, economic/military advancement, the strategic city of Jerusalem, and killing a few muslims on the way would bolster that feeling, also. |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by raydawg on 10/06/16 at 18:49:47 40677E617B587A6D7B646D71080 wrote:
Spoils dude, collateral damage, obstacles in the way, etc.... I guess you skipped over the "ends justify the means" part, eh? Tell me, if anyone, you, me, Mary Poppins, believe our motivation is just and pure, and we believe others should benefit from OUR goodness, even if it's against their will, how do we differ than them? Please try and understand I am not condoning what they did, it was barbaric and absolutely morally wrong. What I am talking about is their belief in THEMSELVES, not in what they SAID they believed. BTW, I ain't yelling, just trying to focus in one what I am trying to convey. Look at the political world leaders, how many really practice what they preach? Or do they perform better at blaming others for failures, etc? Honestly, can you name one who exhibits the real quality of leadership? |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by HovisPresley on 10/06/16 at 19:01:52 So how do you imagine that the crusaders thought themselves noble? (The 'spoils' of war are generally the gains that are a by-product of a war, rather than the aim of a war) |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/06/16 at 19:46:27 14332A352F0C2E392F3039255C0 wrote:
Well, that just depends on what someone Needs. Armed robbery,, that's a limited battlefield, skirmish. The spoils were the reason. Don't believe that leaders of gangs don't want to take turf, in order to benefit from the enlarged arena of control, and it scales up. And wars are fought, while the dumbmasses are TOLD that the war is about great and noble principles, it's really about..... other things. And Rockefeller THANKED the Media, But none see how it matters. |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by raydawg on 10/07/16 at 03:37:30 4F68716E74577562746B627E070 wrote:
Correct, and that is my point. I would bet they were sold the "idea" that they were doing the infidel a favor, by forcing them to a religion that they believed would give them a better life. As they, the infidel resisted, the crusaders used a little more belt, on the misbehaving butts, like a parent to a rebellious child, with hope of reigning him in Over simplification, indeed, but I am hoping to get at the root, of an idea/belief. The parent wants a unruly child to become a better citizen, for his own good, for the world will not tolerate his actions, once he must contend with it. Is that any better, or do you just want to argue that Christianity is evil? |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by raydawg on 10/07/16 at 03:40:28 And Rockefeller THANKED the Media, Some saw the correlation decades ago. Was it Stalling that put the fall of democracy, because of this relationship? |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/07/16 at 06:56:20 3D2E362B2E38284F0 wrote:
I don't understand the question. What relationship? Stalling? Put the fall of democracy? What does that mean? |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by raydawg on 10/07/16 at 08:28:58 Something like this was spoken..... Democracy will fall on its own accord without a shot having to be fired.... It was Lennin or Stalling, or one of those dudes we were told to hate because of their beliefs, as boomers growing up in Americana |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by thumperclone on 10/07/16 at 08:51:16 Khrushev: "we will take America without firing a shot..we will bury you" that one ? |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by raydawg on 10/07/16 at 09:15:12 302C312934213627282B2A21440 wrote:
No, that was the Ed Sullivan one, wasn't it? |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 10/07/16 at 21:06:06 Joseph Stalin. Your sentence still makes no sense to me. |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by HovisPresley on 10/07/16 at 21:53:46 4A555354494E7F4F7F47555912200 wrote:
.............................................. At least he didn't suggest that 'Lennin' wrote 'Back in the USSR' :) |
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Title: Re: Tell me, what's the difference, please? Post by raydawg on 10/08/16 at 08:24:18 Ed Sullivan use to, at the beginning of each show, remark: Tonight we got a really big show.... Except it sounded like shoe, which, was what Khrushev took off and used as a prop to when making that remark at the assembly. Hov, you going to address my post, or your crickets chirping agreement, and no further dialogue needed? |
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