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Title: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Tjw on 09/29/16 at 17:09:45 Hey guys. A little information first. I have a 2003 Savage, 7500 miles on it, dyna muffler, raptor petcock. I have been experiencing some problems starting my bike recently. I got a new battery about a month ago and installed it on the bike. About a week later, I went to start the bike and all I got was a click. Took the battery out and brought it to Autozone, they tested the battery and it was good, fully charged etc. I enlisted the help of my buddy at that point who is a little more mechanically inclined than I. He said it could be the starter motor. Gave it a little tap with a hammer, and it started right up. This was about 2 weeks ago, and it is getting worse. About everytime I go to start the bike, I will either get a click, or no sound. I have been push starting the bike since this has started, everything works fine after I get the bike started. Starter motor bad? |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Serowbot on 09/29/16 at 17:14:53 Try a jump from a car battery... (Do not have the car running during the jump, this could damage electrics)... If the jump works,.. check connections, especially ground strap |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Tjw on 09/29/16 at 17:26:22 I don't think the issue has anything to do with the connections, it seems like the starter motor is getting stuck? If that makes any sense. Sometimes I would get a click, then attempt to jump start it. I would fail at jump starting it, and then try the starter button again to find that it would now start. |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Kris01 on 09/29/16 at 17:30:04 5E607D0A0 wrote:
I tried once out of curiosity. I never could get mine push started, |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by batman on 09/29/16 at 17:32:33 AS ABOVE, YOU CAN ALSO PUT THE BIKE IN NEUTRAL ,KEY ON ,KILL SWITCH ON , CLUTCH PULLEDIN AND PLACE THE JUMPER CABLES TO A BODY GROUND AND THEN TOUCH THE POSITIVE TO THE POLE ON THE STARTER MOTOR, IF IT FIRES THE STARTER MOTOR IS GOOD BUT ALL YOUR SWITCHS ARE SUSPECT(EXCEPT THE KILL SWITCH AND CLUTCH SWITCH) THAT LEAVES THE SIDE STAND AND THE STARTER SOLENOID |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Tjw on 09/29/16 at 17:32:48 It's not too bad to push start it by myself, just a pain when I have to do it everytime I want to ride. ;D |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Yoshi on 09/30/16 at 03:01:47 I have a starter motor for sale if you need |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Tjw on 09/30/16 at 12:18:59 Are these motors possible to repair/clean? |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by verslagen1 on 09/30/16 at 12:21:26 yes, but depends on what's wrong. brush kits are available on fleabay. but a lot of people fry the starter and the magnets pop off. |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Tjw on 09/30/16 at 13:38:43 How does the motor get fried exactly? Any specific reason? |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Dave on 09/30/16 at 13:54:56 744A57200 wrote:
They crank for too long and overheat the motor. The magnets are glued to the housing, the glue gets hot and softens, the magnets then fall off and get jammed against the spinning rotor. |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/30/16 at 14:09:09 Before you buy anything, prove that starter is messed up. With only 7,500 miles on the odometer, it's not worn out. Someone might have held the Start button down and scorched something, but if You didn't, then why is it acting up Now? If you can't get it reliably spinning the engine over by using jumper cables straight to the starter, pull it off, have a look. Magnet cracked? Brushes arced? Armature nasty? Getting the brushes held in so it goes back together takes some doing. You'll need to build something, Some small stuff a paperclip will work. Bigger stuff needs bigger wire. Brushes not seating and bouncing around puts little burn marks on the contact, gotta get it cleaned up, get the brushes traveling right. And contoured to the armature. |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Tjw on 09/30/16 at 14:39:03 Any tips for taking the bad boy apart? |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Serowbot on 09/30/16 at 14:51:54 6D534E390 wrote:
Your language seems to conflate push starting to jump starting... Jump starting uses electricity,.. push starting uses your legs... :-? Have you tried a jump start?... that clicking may be the dcomp firing, and then the starter don't have enough juice to turn the engine over... One way to rule it out... I'd try it before tearing things apart that may not be broken... |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by verslagen1 on 09/30/16 at 15:05:00 have you adjusted the decomp? The starter could stall if not adjusted correctly. How to manually do what the decomp does... put the tranny in gear... higher is better. use your left hand to operate the decomp lever, if you can turn it about 90°, then you're on the exhaust stroke. on the exhaust stroke, the starter is capable of spinning the engine w/out the decomp. So now press and hold the start button and if it spins the engine whether it starts or not, the problem is the decomp adjustment. |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/30/16 at 17:35:53 457B66110 wrote:
Not before you get jumper cables, a good battery, good ground, and go straight to the starter with the hot side. Prove that starter motor has a problem. If you don't know how to take it apart, odds of getting it back together are greatly diminished. I don't know what voltage the starter motor is getting when you hit the start button. Do you? |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by verslagen1 on 09/30/16 at 17:58:22 Are you related to cheapy? |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Dave on 10/01/16 at 05:33:35 170413120D0006040F50610 wrote:
Translation - You need to read what has been posted, take the advice, and try the recommended tests - before you post more questions (or randomly take the starter apart). |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Tjw on 10/01/16 at 09:00:51 6771667B63767B60140 wrote:
Your language seems to conflate push starting to jump starting... Jump starting uses electricity,.. push starting uses your legs... :-? Have you tried a jump start?... that clicking may be the dcomp firing, and then the starter don't have enough juice to turn the engine over... One way to rule it out... I'd try it before tearing things apart that may not be broken... [/quote] You are right Serowbot, I meant to write push start. |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by Tjw on 10/05/16 at 17:20:42 73607776696462606B34050 wrote:
Thank you for this advice verslagen. I have read everyones posts, and it appears that the decomp adjustment may be the problem. The bike will only start when it is on the exhaust stroke it seems. Is there a reason why the decomp would go out of adjustment, or is this something that just happens over time? Thank you everyone! |
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Title: Re: Starter Motor Bad? Post by batman on 10/05/16 at 20:53:18 All cables stretch over time,and therefore need adjustment ,yours has to the point were it is not opening the exhaust valves as it should. |
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