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Title: Proof...... Post by raydawg on 09/23/16 at 16:23:16 How can such a huge division exist here, with the 911 bill, and Obama's veto? Folks, think for a moment, an extremely divided and partisan congress come together in almost 100 percent agreement, of 911, and Obama knows he will lose with an over-ride.... Why does he put himself in this situation? To appease? That would be lame, and obvious, and just a show, of what, to the Saudi's? Is our congress out of the "real" loop, of the "blood" it (USA) has on its hands? You see the anger here, in the states, over the police killing of Blacks. You see the reactions, by many, not just the Soro's paid dupes (if they exist) but by many folks in the Black community, and civil liberty groups, about the duplicity of an extension of our government offices/policies. Can you imagine the outrage of those people, who have been greatly effected by the actions of the USA, that are so devious, in nature, that it can't be revealed to its citizens, or approved by a vote in congress? I dunno.... I'll leave the conspiracy stuff to Jog, heck, he knows Henry Ford, and is an expert on this stuff ;D But I find the circumstances of this 911 bill, veto, and impending override very strange. Anybody else? Has it got much exposure re" the prez candidates? |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by Serowbot on 09/23/16 at 16:44:00 What authority does our legal system have in Saudi Arabia?... Isn't this just frivolous political show-boating?. If other countries legal systems had authority here,.. GW would have been executed for war crimes. You'll notice,.. he don't get out much?... That's why... |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/23/16 at 17:30:29 Lawsuits require substantive foundations. The information that could be dredged up in going after Saudi Arabia that could blow ALL of what Really happened that day open is liable to come out. He HAD to veto it. Plus, Saudi Arabia has Tons of our debt. They have threatened to sell it and cause us pain. Plus, the deal we made with them after WWII was You buy our debt, we buy your oil, Folks, unless you have been reading and connecting dots for decades, this isn't easily understood. Know this. Keeping those pages from the people was important. It's not AS important now, or it would not have been allowed to be seen. How much is accurate? What we do know is that most of the bad guys had Saudi visas. So, naturally we blamed Iraq.. Ray, look up Henry Ford quotes. Either study and think or don't, but play chikkenshit games with me and I'll play back. |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by raydawg on 09/23/16 at 17:39:50 3721362B33262B30440 wrote:
Show boating by both parties? |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by raydawg on 09/23/16 at 17:40:29 6F7076716C6B5A6A5A62707C37050 wrote:
Calm down punkin..... you is gonna explode ;D |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by pg on 09/23/16 at 17:42:37 The deal made with the Saudis in the 70's cemented the dollar as the petrodollar and strengthened it's reserve currency status. However, a lot can change in 40 years... Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/23/16 at 18:10:47 Yeah, a lot can change, but the people who have no clue about the original agreement and what it meant, with regard to the fed selling debt, well, IDK, unless they understand what the fed IS, which they seem reluctant to study, I guess it doesn't matter. |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by raydawg on 09/23/16 at 19:31:53 Jog, you like to beat dead horses too? Here field theses question: What is currency/money valued on, if not metal, or commodity, why? How can you ensure enough money circulates through the system to allow service, product,and accessibility to its citizens? How can a civilization thrive, prosper, grow, unless it establishes a baseline on monetary policies, that are not tied to scarcity of its currency? How does barter factor in? |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/23/16 at 23:38:41 3D2E362B2E38284F0 wrote:
Nope, go read the book. |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by pg on 09/24/16 at 04:38:26 $20 on amazon. https://www.amazon.com/Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal-Reserve/dp/091298645X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474717193&sr=8-1&keywords=creature+from+jekyll+island http://https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/5142pwaKF7L._SX321_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by raydawg on 09/24/16 at 08:21:00 4E5157504D4A7B4B7B43515D16240 wrote:
Nope, go read the book. [/quote] Teaching ain't your strong point, eh bro ;D |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by raydawg on 09/24/16 at 08:35:02 4E5157504D4A7B4B7B43515D16240 wrote:
Nope, go read the book. [/quote] Teaching ain't your strong point, eh bro ;D Griffen defines money in four forms: 1. Commodity money (silver coins or gold pieces) 2. Receipt money (paper money backed by 100% by gold or silver reserves) 3. Fractional money (paper money partially backed by gold or silver reserves) 4. Fiat money (paper money not backed by precious metals and required to use by decree) In the United States of America, we are living in the age of fiat money. The American dollar has no intrinsic value. Our currency is no longer backed by gold or silver but is the recognized and required by the federal government as legal tender. In fact, our money is backed by no assets; it is backed by debt. The U.S. money supply is simply created out of thin air by the Federal Reserve for Congress to spend as it wishes with no regard for its value, supply, or repayment. The operating schemes of unlimited supplies of money, unlimited spending, and increasing national debt, suit the purposes of those who profit from it: the banks which sponsor and broker the activity. One wonders, then why taxes are necessary at all. He maintains that taxes serve two purposes: 1. To fool the public into believing it is paying for government spending. 2. To enable social planners (socialists) to wage war on the middle class The nature of evil is the impulse to power over others. This struggle is all about power and control. At this time in history, the greatest problem is the growing dependence of more and more citizens on their friendly, motherly federal government. "When people can vote on issues involving the transfer of wealth to themselves from others, the ballot box becomes a weapon with which the majority plunders the minority." The final piece of this long and fascinating conspiracy against the citizenry requires a central government unrestrained. This requires a war. The war of choice for the present leadership is the environmental movement. Several years ago, He predicated that "fraudulent scientific studies" would fuel the politicians' appetite for an enemy. The threat of doom would empower the central government to seize the leverage it needed to socialize the economy and lead the public into a doomsday scenario. Couple with failing banks and bailout of private industries ( Bush and Obama, with banks to big to fail mentality) other politicians, back-room power brokers ( like Trump ) would seize the opportunity to destroy the greatest asset of a people and free markets: their freedom. How could he know this many years before the Great Recession of 2008 and Copenhagen 15? Eh? BTW, I pinched this, but we can start here. ;D |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/24/16 at 10:06:25 41524A57524454330 wrote:
Nope, go read the book. [/quote] Teaching ain't your strong point, eh bro ;D [/quote] Buddy, you and nearly everyone else here have been shown enough to have opened your eyes. I've sat in classes where some made A's while others failed. It's not like fault of the teacher. You get an F. You're unwilling to admit that you Don't Know, so you can't be taught. Either read the book , listen to me, or live in your make believe world, but your uppity crap is old. Yes, I DO know more than you. Get over it or repair it. Learn WHY Henry Ford said what he said. Learn why those historical figures went on record stating that policy isn't made by the elected. |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by raydawg on 09/24/16 at 11:38:35 3C2325223F3809390931232F64560 wrote:
Nope, go read the book. [/quote] Teaching ain't your strong point, eh bro ;D [/quote] Buddy, you and nearly everyone else here have been shown enough to have opened your eyes. I've sat in classes where some made A's while others failed. It's not like fault of the teacher. You get an F. You're unwilling to admit that you Don't Know, so you can't be taught. Either read the book , listen to me, or live in your make believe world, but your uppity crap is old. Yes, I DO know more than you. Get over it or repair it. Learn WHY Henry Ford said what he said. Learn why those historical figures went on record stating that policy isn't made by the elected. [/quote] Jog, my teacher grades with love. I have no need to learn of what is dust. I need nothing in this world that can provide what he can. I am sorry you think I rebuff your sharing based on a premise you have.... It has nothing to do with you, or what you share. The kingdom will come, his will be done, that is all I need to remember |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by Serowbot on 09/24/16 at 13:30:42 If you don't like your money,.. I'll take it off your hands for ya'... ;D |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/24/16 at 13:53:37 Jog, my teacher grades with love. I have no need to learn of what is dust. I need nothing in this world that can provide what he can. I am sorry you think I rebuff your sharing based on a premise you have.... It has nothing to do with you, or what you share. The kingdom will come, his will be done, that is all I need to remember That's simply The most eloquent argument for ignorance I've seen. Why are you even Here? You don't want to learn anything. You've proven that. Ya know, I have read the bible at least four times, every page. Nowhere in the bible is ignorance held in high regard. Did Jesus just shrug off the money changers? Wasn't the End known Then? Why care? It's All been preordained, right? UttOhh , how will you deal with reality? |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by Serowbot on 09/24/16 at 13:59:41 ...but, isn't the original sin, eating from the tree of knowledge?... God wants you stupid... You're in his flock... you are his sheep... Ignorance is bliss... :-? |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/24/16 at 15:06:46 Let me think,. Spiritual advice from an atheist, Uhhh, no. You don't have a clue what is meant by Knowledge of good and evil. Every newborn baby just exists. Watch their eyes. Each moment is New. They don't know How to weigh, measure, expect, value, choose, all they know is NOW. It's When we, and Each of us does, have that Moment when our ego comes into existence. THAT'S when WE come into play. That's when We can evaluate logically. That's when we suddenly have the Knowledge of Good and Evil. That's NOT saying we are wise and able to choose good, we, because of the fact that the ego that defines us, is wrong, in conflict with God, our ability to rightly choose is impossible. I can't put over forty years of study into a few sentences, and it's pearls before swine, anyway. I Think there is One out there who just might be getting something,, so, I try. You don't know the passage about You don't know what is good. I've studied intently for decades. Pursued diligently, and been rewarded. The People who call me friend would shock you. And you, them. I understand Why you so desperately Need to make me wrong. You would be forced to actually THINK if you admitted to yourself that the things I have said, things I have posted links to, books, historical figures, all the evidence that contradicts what you just Choose to believe, wow, what a gut wrenching moment that would be. |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by thumperclone on 09/24/16 at 15:14:45 485751564B4C7D4D7D45575B10220 wrote:
you've wasted your time :( |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/24/16 at 15:17:51 You aren't the one I'm hoping for. |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by thumperclone on 09/24/16 at 15:46:05 whew thank you o wise one |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by Serowbot on 09/24/16 at 16:03:37 716E686F72754474447C6E62291B0 wrote:
Gee,.. and I've just been staring at the wall... :-? Yuz is so wize... :P |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by WebsterMark on 09/25/16 at 05:43:54 darn you fellas is jumping on my boy Jog pretty rough.... The concept of Original Sin is a bit beyond your grasp I'm afraid, at least for now. You are incapable of understanding it and not for the reasons you might think. |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by raydawg on 09/25/16 at 07:28:26 213E383F22251424142C3E32794B0 wrote:
Jog, one more attempt, then really, I'll let you continue, hoping it gives you satisfaction, resolution, peace. I am not Jesus...... He can all knowingly, strike the money changers. Similarities, yes, but as a follower I only have the capacity to share, what I have, with those that NEED it, if I have plenty. For me to step into the role Jesus did in dealing with folks, removes me away from my first obligation. For if I gave to those that needed, then they would not need to enlist the help of the money-changers at a profit, or set up the scenario where deceitfulness can flourish..... The church has failed miserably, in our obligations to fellow men. We have opted to allow the government, to provide for our brothers, so we could keep ours. Neighbors used to help neighbors back in the days when it was life, and death. Pretty obvious that if a persons home/barn burned down, they might perish. Neighbors used to gather together, to rebuild that which burnt. Now, we have insurance, or government programs, etc, that have taken away the very opportunity for us to be our neighbors keeper. Yes, its an oversimplification, but the truth is still prevalent. I assure you, when I die, if I am so beholden to my possessions, for I earned them, fair and square, and thus entitled by earthly reasoning.... That I leave instruction in my will, that a U-haul trailer is to be attached to the bumper of the Hearst, to carry those gatherings with me to the grave..... It will make no difference to where I go. None. To put my faith in something that has no real sustainable value, is the same argument that has you up in ganders about reserve notes, etc.... I am finished ;) |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/25/16 at 07:46:02 I know all about the differences, too. Trying to get people to understand the game they are in so that, rather than they all be so focused on what divides, they unite to rid our society, or at least beat the parasites back, and THEN argue about the details. It's not Just America that is being taken down. It's the same central bank scheme, though. The trade deals? Seems like Someone should be winning. I'm not seeing any clear winners. Watchman on the wall. |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by Serowbot on 09/25/16 at 09:54:29 Here's a question for God... If a man behaves with morality, and compassion, because he is promised a reward... is that really being moral and compassionate?...?... Why did God feel the need to offer such a bribe?.. Oh, he of little faith... .. or is religion the faithless one?... If there is a God,.. everything you know of him is a lie... |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/25/16 at 10:31:15 If a man behaves with morality, and compassion, because he is promised a reward... is that really being moral and compassionate?...?... Nope, it's not belief. I don't believe in gravity because if I pretend it doesn't exist I'll splat on the ground when I step off the roof. I don't believe in gravity because it plants my tires in a corner. I believe because I know it Is. I don't BELIEVE in God. I wasn't Taught by others. God made himself known to me. I KNOW God Is. It's as obvious as gravity. I'm not religious, I cuss, I drink, I don't go to church, but I've seen God do things in my heart. It's like explaining the color blue to a blind man. Believe or don't. |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by Serowbot on 09/25/16 at 10:47:06 Did he introduce himself as the Christian God?,.. or could he be Allah? or Mithras, or Horus, or Krishna?... What made him Jesus.. the hair?... :-? If this questioning sounds ridiculous, it's because it is... Not my fault... |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by thumperclone on 09/25/16 at 11:13:08 Watchman on the wall. delusions of grandeur ey? |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by raydawg on 09/25/16 at 11:38:24 Good questions Bot...... No, he didn't introduce himself as the Christian God, man did that. It done by those who chided their belief in Jesus, sorta like the "C" word ;D It's not a bribe, but fact. It's the nature of creating a free will, not a robot. I don't think you have kids, but you must tell them no, and punish when needed, to hopefully prevent that behavior that promises greater consequences.... The bible tells of my sin being extended into future generations. God is not punishing them, no, but revealing to me the consequences of my selfish actions/sin. Like a kid who watches his dad beat his mom, often grows up to beat his wife.... A daughter of a alcoholic will often marry a drinker too.... These are truths, and God shares them with us, but again, he won't force us against our free will, for in doing so he would be denying himself.... |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/25/16 at 11:50:33 203C213924312637383B3A31540 wrote:
Have you read the bible? |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by thumperclone on 09/25/16 at 16:38:48 352A2C2B3631003000382A266D5F0 wrote:
Have you read the bible? not just read but studied various versions for you to claim being a watchman is ludicrous |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by justin_o_guy2 on 09/25/16 at 19:13:26 We disagree everywhere else, too. I have a real hard time believing you've studied anything. |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by pg on 09/26/16 at 13:08:47 7660776A72676A71050 wrote:
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/carson.jpg Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by Serowbot on 09/26/16 at 14:45:42 Ben Carson thinks monkeys are gods... ;D |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by pg on 09/26/16 at 15:43:10 485E49544C59544F3B0 wrote:
Come on Bot, that's ray-cisss. :-/ Best regards, |
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Title: Re: Proof...... Post by MnSpring on 09/26/16 at 15:56:39 How does one learn? By what someone else tells them? By, their own research, (which is basically what someone they don’t know, tells them) ? Or by research on, BOTH, views, And weighing the % this way, and the % that way, and the number of times the ’same thing is said ? Take training a dog: (You don't know how) Ask 10 people, and you will get 11 answers. (BUT, DON’T STOP) Ask again, that each of those 10 people, give you their TOP, 10 things. Now, you will probably find, 4, of the SAME things, from each of those people, which are common. Now, ask 10 more people, to name 10 TOP things. You may get another thing, which 6 of the 10, are saying the same. Now, ask 10 more people, to name 10 TOP things. You may get another thing, which 4 of the 10, are saying the same. Etc. etc. etc. So now, (you don’t know how to train a dog), you will have, 4, (purity sure things, and 2 fairly sure things), to start with. Then you keep asking. You are NOT, reinventing the wheel. (But you may have to modify it a bit for the axial you are putting it on). AND, you have to be smart enough, to know, (that if you want your dog, to not soil the house, to come to you when you call, and sit/stay when you want it) You will have to understand the, ‘overlap’, in information on, ‘crate training’, ‘board placement’, “Steady’, instructions. And have to be smart enough to know, a DOG, does NOT Speak any human language. But a Dog, can Learn, a human Language. |
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